Naked Bible Podcast 211 - Was Cain the Seed of the Serpent?

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Houseform Apologetics

Houseform Apologetics

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In 1 John 3:11-12 the apostle warned believers, “For this is the message that you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. We should not be like Cain, who was of the evil one and murdered his brother.” Does this passage mean that Cain was fathered by Satan? The idea is indeed found in some ancient Jewish texts. Is there any evidence for that in the Old Testament account of his birth? This episode of the podcast answers those questions.
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@dianabryant702
@dianabryant702 2 роки тому
I get so much out of Dr. Heiser’s teachings thank you very much
@torgenxblazterzoid
@torgenxblazterzoid 2 роки тому
*John 8:42-44* Jesus said unto them, "If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do". --------- So far, so good. Yeshua is annoyed and he's lashing out with some indignant hyperbole. But then : "He was a murderer from the beginning" Whoa! That's a bit too specific. Who is this murderer? Cain? " and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it".
@estherpykett2194
@estherpykett2194 4 роки тому
With all due respect , it is not being considered here that eve would have labored and delivered by herself with no midwife , nurse or doctor. I believe Eve must have had help from God and possibly his angels to help her through the anguish of labor and delivery of a child . She must have been so afraid . This is why she gives credit to God for the birth of a man .
@akowned1
@akowned1 2 роки тому
Good point, you can bet Adam was out hunting or something during all that 😆
@henrythecat3094
@henrythecat3094 2 місяці тому
When God said from her seed would come someone that would crush the serpents head she thought it was her firstborn son not down the line. I heard this in another podcast from somebody else and it made sense to me. Regarding receiving help from angels, and one of my friends had her son at home she didn't have time to go to the hospital.
@johncarlen2476
@johncarlen2476 5 років тому
Thank you for this frame of reference for dismissing the Serpent Seed doctrine that is snaking it's way into many and varied presentations, but like the Hydra, even though it's head is cut off, seven more will replace it. Jesus/Yeshua(seed of the woman)will take care of the serpent's seed(singular)at the appointed time.
@alisonmurphy-maley8957
@alisonmurphy-maley8957 6 років тому
Guys, thank you 🙏🏽
@HouseformApologetics
@HouseformApologetics 6 років тому
Alison Murphy-Maley we try ;) and really appreciate it!
@katt6056
@katt6056 Рік тому
Thank you so much for this. this really opened up mine and my daughters eyes to the real world. i dont know where we would be without you. probably the underworld. thank you so so much.
@crmuniz2007
@crmuniz2007 2 роки тому
What was God referring to when He mentioned "the seed of the Serpent" in Genesis3?
@aitornavarro6597
@aitornavarro6597 13 днів тому
All those you do evil and rebel against Yahweh. Also Genesis 6? Nephilim could be literally the seed of serpent? Or serpents?
@nettieanderson6339
@nettieanderson6339 6 років тому
Thank you for your work/books...Genesis 3:14-15; This is the first great promise and prophecy. The seed to bring Christ. The serpent "nachash" ; "shining one" aka Satan's first assault on "zer'a", the bloodline to bring Jesus Christ/Immanuel (God with us). Genesis 4:15 "...And the Lord set a mark upon Cain..." Genesis 4:17-24 is Cain's genealogy, very interesting when you translate the meaning of the names. Genesis 5 "This is THE BOOK OF GENERATIONS OF ADAM..." Cain is not there??? Genesis 6:4 "...when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them..." Yet another assault on the seed (bloodline) of Jesus Christ our Salvation. Genesis 6:9 "THESE THE GENERATIONS OF NOAH: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations [pedigree, family history] and Noah walked with God". John 8:44; 1 John 3:12
@trentnichols5075
@trentnichols5075 3 роки тому
Everything you said I feel is dead on. But then again I barley made it to get a high school diploma, so I listen to you with close ear and fierce concentration, just hopping deeply to just get a few nuggets that I can make sense of, and am able to run with it. I can’t find a church that I can “live with” so for fiveish years I read intently and follow three people of witch you are the newest of the bunch. Of the other 2 one is a kereit Jew, and one is a Christian Dr. who is also a Texas cop. they seam to have beliefs pretty close to the way I feel in my heart that Yehovah is pushing. I’d just like to point out that 1 woman can have twins from 2 different men. It happened in my own family. one baby was a good deal darker than her sister but the clincher was a paternity test that showed both girls had different fathers. 1 of Eastern European decent & 1 of wast African decent (or African American). But this doesn’t mean I will stop trying to learn from you, in fact I just ordered 2 of your books (I’m just hopping to pick up a nugget or two in each chapter) Between You, Jeffrey Seif, & Nehemia Gordon are 3 of the biggest brains 🧠 out there & you put your knowledge out there for one & all to partake of at no cost, and it humbled me deeply to learn from you & the others. Thank you 🙏🏼.
@gholmes5404
@gholmes5404 2 роки тому
Be careful with Nehemia. He has an agenda; and it is NOT to win hearts for ישוע (Yeshua, Jesus).
@abrideforchrist4247
@abrideforchrist4247 5 місяців тому
So when Jesus told those people you are of your father the serpent the devil who's children was he talking to???
@Blue-rl5dp
@Blue-rl5dp 4 роки тому
It all comes down to that particular language meaning the same as "I have gotten a son, by the Grace of God" which we don't find confusing at all.
@jennifernash3549
@jennifernash3549 2 роки тому
Excellent !
@garyzimmerman62
@garyzimmerman62 2 роки тому
Had to point out a scientific fact, in case no one else has. It IS possible, and has happened, that twins can have 2 different fathers. REALLY RARE (obviously) but can and has happened.
@mrskkjones
@mrskkjones 2 роки тому
I was thinking the same thing but forgot about it after listening to the rest. Thanks for pointing that out
@perrypaulding7737
@perrypaulding7737 3 роки тому
What's the meaning of the chaotic clump of birds on your podcast title page???
@HouseformApologetics
@HouseformApologetics 2 роки тому
It's simply a logo I created for the channel. It doesn't have to have a specific meaning.
@blackdog75
@blackdog75 Рік тому
wouldn’t the “seth is made in adam’s image” statement just be a theological marker? meaning, that it’s being pointed out that seth’s line is special (if you will)?
@Lillaloppan
@Lillaloppan 3 роки тому
Thank you.
@chrissyuy
@chrissyuy Рік тому
I still have questions... So, while this explains some of the passages of Genesis and the epistle of John, it does not explain the curse of Genesis 3:25, and why Eve and the Serpent are described as having respective seeds that are at enmity. It’s obvious that Adam would have seed, but unusual verbiage that the woman and the Serpent would be described as having seed. What then is the purpose of this type of unusual wording here? We know there is to be a redeemer, but why mention “her seed” as opposed to Adam’s seed? And while we can look in hindsight and determine who “her seed” is, we have no identifiable means of determining who the Serpent’s seed actually is.
@ernieslaton8397
@ernieslaton8397 5 років тому
KJV Mathew 13:38,39 Tell us who the wicked one is.
@DudasVideos
@DudasVideos 2 місяці тому
That is all very interesting, but isn't that pretty much how all the Scriptures and apocrypha and pseudepigrapha developed? For example, the verse in Deuteronomy 32 that talks about the nations being divided "according to the number of the children of Israel". The Septuagint says "according to the number of the angels of God". If we compare the Samuel/Kings account to the Chronicler, we find many examples of changes like this made to conform to a certain worldview. For example, in 2 Samuel it says that the angel of the Lord incited David to take a census, but in the Chronicles account, it says that Satan incited David to take the census. The book of Enoch is a dramatic example of the phenomenon discussed in this video. In that case, an entire book is fabricated in some author's mind from just two or three obscure comments in the Old Testament about Enoch, Nephilim, and Watchers. More importantly, the whole New Testament is, in fact, a wholesale reinterpretation and expansion of the Old Testament. The same way that Heiser dismisses the Targums, the Jews dismiss the New Testament. I really enjoy Heisers' lectures, but by defending the New Testament, he is guilty of the same thing that the writers of the Targums are.
@MZGA2009
@MZGA2009 2 роки тому
The problem is we are searching for a fall that changes the human line from immortal to a fallen mortal genealogy. The Targum seems to answer in that the "tree of Adam" goes from made in God's image to a tree -future geneology "of death". A believer is not resurrected a human but like the Angel's, which we know was intended for the first children.
@varghessmith2985
@varghessmith2985 3 роки тому
Some of your stuff is not checking out ! "Qaniti" קָנִ֥יתִי in "Qal imperfect form" just means "i bought something" .... קְנֵיתִי גַברָא מִן־קְדָם יוי in the Tragum translates only "I have acquired the man from before the Lord"
@Romin.777
@Romin.777 3 роки тому
An angel of the Lord (fallen)
@mrskkjones
@mrskkjones 2 роки тому
you left out any reference to the deception/seduction of Eve by the serpent in the garden???
@busby777
@busby777 6 років тому
Is it possible that Eve is addressing (talking to) God? That is, she says to God that she has acquired a man. Could the "alef tav" represent the preposition "to"?
@AverageAmerican
@AverageAmerican 6 років тому
Does it matter to whom she spoke? The serpent didn't get Eve alone to beguile her with an ordinary apple. Which made her feel naked... We're talking more like strawberries and whip cream! I mean, whether she spoke to the LORD, or got a man from the LORD, _it were not through Adam._
@zachariah7114
@zachariah7114 5 років тому
Average American are you sure about that? “And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain“. You seem to be using eisegesis instead of exegesis.
@tab207
@tab207 2 роки тому
It’s interesting Dr Heiser that you are so familiar with the Babylonian Talmud & then seem curious as to why some people end up at anti Semitism
@raymcdonald7934
@raymcdonald7934 2 роки тому
People think it’s because Cain is not in Adams genial line
@acarpentersson8271
@acarpentersson8271 4 роки тому
I take it to mean that she has finally had a son. Maybe the first 30 kids were daughters, and girls need a man for obvious reasons. Then finally a son, the first man-child is given to her by the grace of God. When Able is born she doesn't make a big deal of it like when the first son is born. So, she essentially says, finally by the grace of God I have had a son.
@MariaEmmaBelfort
@MariaEmmaBelfort 4 роки тому
Why is everyone misspelling the name of Abel? His name was not Able which is an adjective, not a name!
@mrskkjones
@mrskkjones 2 роки тому
​@@MariaEmmaBelfort please don't be a grammar nazi
@dianabryant702
@dianabryant702 2 роки тому
I get so much out of Dr. Heiser teaching
@kimberlysteph3877
@kimberlysteph3877 Місяць тому
Here's a different view, Yaweh was a desert canninite God adopted by the Jews. Yaweh was the God of war.
@wayneasiam65
@wayneasiam65 2 роки тому
So John was just a liar? Wow. Your arrogance is nauseating. Is Cain listed in the genealogy of Adam? No. It starts with Seth. Maybe your lineage is from Cain?...
@duriuswulkins4324
@duriuswulkins4324 2 роки тому
One of the weirdest things is reading Beowulf and finding out they Christianized the story by making Grendel the kin of Cain lol
@Stormlucy111
@Stormlucy111 4 роки тому
Kaniti = I have bought
@ernieslaton8397
@ernieslaton8397 5 років тому
KJV 1 john 3:12 Not as cain, who was of that wicked one,
@stevenepperly7874
@stevenepperly7874 5 років тому
Read a little further down the line as it also says (KJV), Because his own works were evil and his brother's righteous. In the suggested writings if the KJV was referring to the Serpent/Satan , that wicked one would be represented by the cap. letter W in wicked and it clearly is not.
@judyshiflett3123
@judyshiflett3123 4 роки тому
Could it be that Cain act was of the evil one ,just like Jesus calling the Pharisees of their father Satan. Did Satan father them.
@Theprimaryfocus
@Theprimaryfocus 2 роки тому
@@judyshiflett3123 it said who. The word who was italicized. I see you.
@whittakerdanielj
@whittakerdanielj 4 роки тому
Cain and Able were twins! There, said it.
@whittakerdanielj
@whittakerdanielj 4 роки тому
@Robert BlackUK look closer at the scriptures and compare their birth to others. It is quite easy.
@golden3192
@golden3192 3 роки тому
Pregnant from two men
@whittakerdanielj
@whittakerdanielj 2 роки тому
@@Romin.777 one father. Pay attention to how one child is born vs twins. There are other twins born
@eew8060
@eew8060 Рік тому
@@whittakerdanielj Yes! Twins! Amen
@raymcdonald7934
@raymcdonald7934 2 роки тому
The serpent seed is true.
@randomango2789
@randomango2789 2 роки тому
How is it true? What’s your evidence?
@uchepowers
@uchepowers Місяць тому
"... Lump Jews and black in a less than Adamic racial status?" This makes me think of what Dr. Michael S. Heiser races...
@marysheilds9966
@marysheilds9966 6 років тому
Note Caanan is a word (name) that keeps popping up. Garden Adam and Eve Story is NOT Literal. Key is Noah was perfect. Not contaminated morally or ethnically.
@AverageAmerican
@AverageAmerican 6 років тому
+Mary Sheilds The reason we know we can interpret Bible lore literally, is due to the lineages recorded therein. On the other hand, did Eve and the serpent, when alone, partake in a literal fruit? I don't know. But an apple is seemingly innocuous, when we talking more like strawberries and whipping cream! Noah was a pure -blooded Human. Because he descended through Seth. Opposed to Cain. Plus, his blood was not mixed with the Nephilim race. However, by the time of the flood, Humans were nearly extinct. Hence, the Great Deluge would save humanity. Therefore, Noah chose Cain's descendant, a Reptoid, as a wife for Japheth. A Human wife for Shem. And a Nephilim wife for Ham... Literally and spiritually.
@zachariah7114
@zachariah7114 5 років тому
+Average American where in Scripture is it stated that Japeth's wife was a reptoid (or even a descendant of Cain) and where in Scripture is it stated that a nephilim was the wife of Ham?
@mrskkjones
@mrskkjones 2 роки тому
the Bible states plainly that no human is morally perfect aside from the Christ
@Homebrew316
@Homebrew316 3 роки тому
Genesis 3:3 .... Satan, the devil, serpent DID TOUCH(5060) great-grandmother Eve ... thus, CAIN = Kenites, Rechabites, scribes, Jews of Revelation.....! Tree(6086) of knowledge ....! NOW, learn the parable of FIG tree...! And there's more ...
@jimschultz6075
@jimschultz6075 2 роки тому
THIS IS ALL ASTROLOGY. ADAM AND EVE ARE EARTH AND THE MOON. THE SON IS OUR STAR.. THE SUN. STRIKING THE HEAD AND HEEL ARE CONSTELLATIONS NEAR VIRGO WHERE OUR SUN RISES IN THE ECLIPTIC. EVERYTHING IS THE STARS AND ASTRO BODIES.
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