Naked Bible Podcast 212 - Joshua’s Conquest of Jericho and the Ugaritic Keret Epic

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The basic details of the Israelite conquest of Jericho are well known. The renewal of the covenant at Shechem, the miraculous crossing of the Jordan with the Ark of the Covenant, Joshua’s encounter with the supernatural commander of the Lord’s host, the sending of the spies to the city and their reception by Rahab, the weird battle instructions to march around the city and blow the ram’s horns, and the collapse of the walls have been retold in countless Sunday School classes and sermons. But virtually unknown is that many of these details have correspondences in a story from Ugarit, an ancient city state in Syria. That story is known as the Keret (or Kirta) Epic. In this episode we talk about the similarities and how an ancient reader might have processed such parallels.
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КОМЕНТАРІ: 39
@thestraightroad305
@thestraightroad305 3 роки тому
I’m constantly backing up and re-listening. Even during simple chores-Trey is right! So each podcast is about twice as long as it says lol.
@tiffanygriffin9605
@tiffanygriffin9605 4 роки тому
Haha. Yes. I try and listen while I’m cooking and stuff but I have to hear it a few times. I love how much info is packed into it .
@momfaustel1292
@momfaustel1292 5 років тому
I do my housework while listening, but I have to listen to it twice or even more...
@mishaanton5436
@mishaanton5436 4 роки тому
Dr. Heiser... yes good to listen, I listen to lectures. When I want to digest all stops and Bible and note book in hand. Also at times I play as I go to sleep, barely audible. As scriptures will be heard by my quiet conscience.
@ewall1804
@ewall1804 4 роки тому
I do this too👍🙏
@-attemptingtherandom-2777
@-attemptingtherandom-2777 3 роки тому
Here to listen and learn. This content is so very important and easily missed. Bless God for keeping this material around us! God is so Good. I love Him.
@petemiller9865
@petemiller9865 6 років тому
Lol I understand your feeling Trey lol it's deep stuff. Ear buds put the podcasts or books on repeat....on about the fifth go at it.... is when your head explodes and then you dive into the next episode or book... lol What you think you know may not be so.. 👊✌
@matthewjames9209
@matthewjames9209 2 роки тому
This is my second time listening and looking forward to digesting a bit more info haha thanks guys for your hard work
@GalenCurrah
@GalenCurrah 5 років тому
Besides suggesting ancient literary convention, there may also have been an ancient warfare convention: give your enemy seven days to comply or to suffer consequences, with a mid-way display of invoking gods against them. Enemies would have time to calculate their chances and to consult their religious memories. Even Samson gave his Philistine friends seven days to solve his riddle, and on the fourth day they entreated Delilah to divulge the secret.
@Jamie-Russell-CME
@Jamie-Russell-CME 5 років тому
Beautiful, just as the sun made on the fourth day, and Jesus came on the fourth day,/4th milennium. In the midst of the week.
@juanesparza3810
@juanesparza3810 Рік тому
Awesome 👏
@annehettick8285
@annehettick8285 2 роки тому
Fascinating andenlightening.
@acarpentersson8271
@acarpentersson8271 4 роки тому
When Moses handed over authority to Joshua, it says he taught him all the words of the song. I imagine that history was preserved in oral record by condensing it into song/chant/poetry. Once they began to record it in writing it was no longer remembered in the same way.
@juanesparza3810
@juanesparza3810 Рік тому
Very interesting take, I like it 👍🏽
@lp8469
@lp8469 2 роки тому
Best podcast ever!!
@amyk6403
@amyk6403 2 роки тому
Does this epic- the loss of KRT's wives, the absence of heirs and weeping- have any literary connection to Job?
@justice3043
@justice3043 3 роки тому
I like dr. Heiser's very dry sense of humor.
@The-DO
@The-DO 4 роки тому
I'm working right now
@Jamie-Russell-CME
@Jamie-Russell-CME 6 років тому
There are scribal updates commonly or seemingly, if true, changing place names, or updating the names of cities so they are recognized by the readers during the days in which the text is being copied. Like when the Exodus story calls a city, Ramses. But Moses was living during the reign of Tutmoses III, several generations before the reign of Ramses. Who was also known to change things in Egypt to depict himself over the previous kings. But he should have seen his glory for what it was. Dust.
@henryv4222
@henryv4222 4 роки тому
Egyptology timeline was cemented during C19th. Too much scholarship is already peer reviewed for them to make amendments using facts and evidence. I like Heiser, but he has an extremely high view of academia, to the point where -if it is wrong- the Bible is what suffers. Jesus believed the Torah was written by Moses. If that's not a fit with liberal scholarship...sorry libs :-)
@AFJDP
@AFJDP 3 роки тому
I think MH makes a lot of assumptions that are not valid. Why could the Keret Epic not have been written after the destruction of the city of Ugaritic? is there no presidents in history of stories being written about events of a city after they no longer existed? No explanation is given as to why it COULD NOT HAVE BEEN WRITTEN AFTER.
@Jamie-Russell-CME
@Jamie-Russell-CME 5 років тому
If God made man and the first story given to man was the stories from Genesis 1-6, can we not assume that the style or context of the way these first stories were told, written or not, would be copied and developed in their structure and context in the earlier surrounding cultures? Perhaps the stories were known as history and in a kind of prophetic layering by the context. Then similiar writings would be copying these styles? Not possible?
@philiplim7297
@philiplim7297 2 роки тому
How can salvation be "eternal" if it depends on our continual believing? How would salvation be a gift if it's conditional upon our continual believing?
@GabrielleBaker777
@GabrielleBaker777 Рік тому
Christ came to destroy the law of sin and death in our lives (Romans 8:2; Hebrews 2:14-15). The gift of God is the life we can now have because of His death, resurrection, and heavenly ministry (1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Romans 1:16-17; John 1:12; Romans 6:22-23). But John makes it clear why this is a gift (something we don't deserve, that is freely given, and could not generate ourselves): he says that our born-again experience is not gained by heritage, or by earthly accomplishments, or by self-will, "but of God" (echoed in Ephesians 2:8-10, Philippians 2:12-13, Galatians 3:22-23, 2 Peter 1:3-4). Only God can give it, and He has given it freely, for He desires that all should come to repentance, regardless of creed or culture (2 Peter 3:9, Romans 10:11-13). The continual believing comes in because "whatsoever is not of faith is sin," and "without faith it is impossible to please God" (Romans 14:23; Hebrews 11:6). Doubt, faithlessness, are the very things that Christ died to free us from! If we do not believe (1) who God is, (2) that His gift is free, (3) that it covers me personally, (4) that I can experience true freedom, (5) that God's ways are right and good even when I don't understand, etc., how can I be in true and open relationship with Him? If I don't trust Him, why would I listen to anything He has to say? Trust, confidence, faith, are the foundations of a loving relationship; and a loving relationship with God is the key to an abundant and eternal life (for He is life). Continual believing simply means I trust who He says He is and I will follow wherever He leads - every day, every moment. Stand fast, therefore, in the liberty wherewith Christ has made you free. :-)
@sammcrae8892
@sammcrae8892 4 місяці тому
Do you continue (or continuously...) believe in gravity? If so you will not deny that it is in effect, and decide to walk off a cliff. If you believe in gravity, the free gift is knowing not to do that if you don't want to fall. Similarly, once you know that God is real, and that His Son Jesus Christ died and was resurrected to pay for your sins, and you KNOW it, continuing to believe is no different than knowing that gravity is in effect, and always will be. 🙏✝️🙏
@kightsun
@kightsun 6 років тому
I mean Deuteronomy also would make sense if it was written as they were going into the land. This type of textual criticism (Welhausen) is far from objective.
@lemnisgate8809
@lemnisgate8809 Рік тому
It doesn’t matter who wrote what when since the text are divinely inspired they have the same author throughout, it’s the Lord God it’s history (his story) for he is the author and finisher of the faith.
@annehettick8285
@annehettick8285 2 роки тому
This help me stay in my bible and not get hung up on so called modern prophets
@alx42013
@alx42013 2 роки тому
I Wish Dr Heiser would make or Write a script,for a Joshua biblically accurate action Movie, of his destruction of the Hybrid Nephilim Demonic Giants, kingdoms and Strongholds. Start the movie with the 40 year's in the wilderness...Up until his death,in the promise land. It's my dream to watch a awesome,( can be a trilogy),story of the conquest of the hybrid tribes,on the way and in the promise land,and destruction of the majority of the hybrid bastard reprabates. The movie,if done right, would be a masterpiece historical, block buster!!! Please Dr ? I pray you will get healed,we all need your guidance in these evil times Please get well soon . I have faith that YESHUA The Christ Will heal you of this demonic Illness. Your an amazing writer and a gentleman and a awesome scholar. May G O D Bless you .
@HouseformApologetics
@HouseformApologetics 2 роки тому
Amazing idea!
@amyk6403
@amyk6403 2 роки тому
Yes! I want Rahab to be highlighted. That's the part of the story that speaks to me most.
@mikedag1176
@mikedag1176 Рік тому
That's an awesome idea!!
@mikedag1176
@mikedag1176 Рік тому
How about Mel Gibson? Him & Randall Wallace! Yes..😅
@MiriamMonroe
@MiriamMonroe 3 роки тому
And then we have the book of Jasher...
@therealkillerb7643
@therealkillerb7643 3 роки тому
Thank God for 19th century, German Higher Critics; otherwise, we would never understand what the Bible really means! ;-)
@Jamie-Russell-CME
@Jamie-Russell-CME 6 років тому
Hmmmm, it also plays in the transfiguration. After six days Jesus took them UP the mountain. 6000 years of history do not be ignorant of this ONE THING. We SHALL behold HIM. SOON The walls are coming down. Take that to the bank. Speaking of heaven and where true treasure is. The trumpet will sound and the with the voice of the "captain of the Lord's host", Michael, Joshua, Yeshua, One who is as God is, Emmanuel, God's leader of the Messengers/angels, Jesus Christ, God manifest in the flesh.
@GMPage-ru5io
@GMPage-ru5io 5 років тому
And here's what happened *after* the walls of Jericho (allegedly) came down (Joshua 6, KJV): "20 [I]t came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city. "21 And *they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.* [Except that they spared the family of a woman who had helped Israel's spies, when they had come to the city earlier to scope the city's layout and defenses.] "24 And they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the Lord." In other words: pregnant women, babes in arms, blind grandmas--didn't matter, *they remorselessly slaughtered them all* and looted all their valuables as their "god" allegedly had directed them. Nice people, huh? Nice story for kids, huh? Nice purported "deity," huh?
@rustyshackleford9205
@rustyshackleford9205 4 роки тому
Not looking for an argument, but looked at from within the context Heiser proposes, I think these attempts at moralizing Old Testament acts of war by an invasive force of Bronze Age conquerors by post-'Enlightenment' moderns is stopped in it's tracks. 1) The Nations in the Biblical perspective are given over to supernatural entities rebellious to the ultimate authority of God, following the Tower of Babel incident. They could be understood to be complicit on the perpetuation of the worship of false divinities despite all having come from an original host who knew of God and turned from Him. 2) You hardly hear these concerns of moralizing other documents from the same or later time periods, a la the Iliad, Aeneid, or other such descriptions of Acts of war from Bronze Age forces upon peoples occupying lands of wealth, whether spiritual or monetary. It's done with the Bible almost solely because people care, for spite or vindictiveness. 3) One could frame it simply as something necessary in the thread of Providence due to what is known of the proceeding history and religious development of later Judaism or Christianity. I just think that it's insincere and overtly polemical to bring modern moral concerns into a story set in the Bronze Age. It does nothing to further either party's case, and only to draw lines in the sand between those who believe and do not in the God of the Bible and his goodness or lack thereof.
@JosephQPublic
@JosephQPublic 4 роки тому
Rusty Shackleford - I didn’t read your reply and was going to type out a much less eloquent response, but I’m glad I stopped to actually read your response. You surpassed anything I could’ve typed up.
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