Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070 Super Review: A Step In The Right Direction
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День томуCorrection: A small error on the specs table - RTX 4070 Ti has the same 504GB/s of bandwidth as Super and vanilla 4070s.
Nvidia kicks off 2024 with its Super refresh to the RTX 40 series line, addressing the controversial 70-series offerings by increasing value. Three 'Supers' are en route and we're kicking off with the RTX 4070 Super, offering performance closer to the 4070 Ti at 4070 prices. Rich sees how performance fits in within the existing line-up, stacks up the card against Nvidia's last big value champ - the RTX 3080 - and offers up a more holistic view of what this card is capable of, beyond the standard benchmarks. Avatar at 4K? Alan Wake 2 and Cyberpunk 2077 path-tracing? Unreal Engine 5? They're all tested here.
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00:00:00 Introduction
00:00:47 RTX 4070 Super Specs vs RTX 4070/Ti
00:02:01 'None More Black' - The Founders Edition Super
00:02:51 Power Efficiency vs RX 7800 XT and RTX 4070
00:04:00 Benchmarks: Ray Tracing Performance
00:06:39 Benchmarks: Rasterisation
00:08:08 RTX 4070 Super vs PlayStation 5 Intro
00:09:00 Cyberpunk 2077 vs PS5 + RT Overdrive Performance
00:11:48 Alan Wake 2 vs PS5 + Path Tracing Performance
00:13:59 Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora - 4K/1440p Performance
00:14:57 Unreal Engine 5: Fortnite + Immortals of Aveum
00:17:19 The Last of Us Part 1 vs PS5: Upscaling As A Crutch
00:18:05 A Plague Tale: Requiem vs PS5
00:18:45 Perf + Features: Greater Than The Sum Of Its Parts
00:20:05 And Now, The Conclusion
@lharsay 3 місяці тому
What I find really funny is that it's almost the same card they tried to sell a year ago for $900 as a 4080 12GB.
@DBTHEPLUG 3 місяці тому
That's why you wait before purchasing something. If you want a new product the moment it launches, be prepared to pay up and realize that you were able to get a better card for a better price if you decided to hold off for a sec.
@clansome 3 місяці тому
@@DBTHEPLUG Unless it's a 4090. That costs even more now (approx 25%), albeit external factors apply there tbh.
@born2serve92 3 місяці тому
the 4070ti is the exact same as the 4080 12 gig ironically.
@fabrb26 3 місяці тому
This should be pinned because it's nothing but help for people not to copium relapse
@DBTHEPLUG 3 місяці тому
Who cares? The people wanting to buy this card don't own a 4080 anyways.@@fabrb26
@leonthesleepy 3 місяці тому
I miss the days when $500 was a premium GPU...
@Luke973T 3 місяці тому
I miss the days when gas was still under 2 dollars.
@ThomasVvV 3 місяці тому
PS5 is $500
@pvcordeiro 3 місяці тому
Does the word "inflation" rings any bell?
@grimdicer152 3 місяці тому
@@pvcordeiro Inflation you say? A word most people simply cannot comprehend.
@leonro 3 місяці тому
@@pvcordeirothis goes way above inflation
@1KayBilly 3 місяці тому
We are at that uncomfortable time again where it would make sense to just wait for next gen cards, but you also expect next gen cards to be ridiculously overpriced for a year, so it does not make sense.
@sinenomine4540 3 місяці тому
prices fall when people stop buying overpriced crap like this.
@StrazdasLT 3 місяці тому
@@sinenomine4540 Why would they stop buying such good value for money?
@formulaic78 3 місяці тому
Yeah, I'm tempted by the 4080 super at MSRP simply because I reckon it could take two years until the 5080 super is available at that price.
@zerocal76 3 місяці тому
@@StrazdasLTu can't troll very well my friend
@StrazdasLT 3 місяці тому
@@zerocal76 No trolling needed to get buyers remorse coping from AMD fans.
@retrosean199 3 місяці тому
I like the idea of the UKposts review being a companion piece to the written benchmarks. The 'what can you actually do with this thing?' theme is interesting.
@oneandonlyjark 3 місяці тому
It's too bad the staff over at IGN, Gamespot, etc., even other UKpostsrs, don't understand that. Their written work serves merely as scripts for the videos, and it's often not even the same people writing essay scripts versus starring in the videos.
@iurigrang 3 місяці тому
That’s why I love DF. It isn’t just a numbers game, it’s a “what is the actual experience?” thing. Why waste time on a video showing us 30 bar charts when 5 (specifically chosen to be representative of the global, of course) are enough and you can spend the rest of the time explaining how the actual experience of actually owning the card pans out?
@chrisclarke4295 3 місяці тому
@@iurigrangThis x 💯
@RobIn-ky4uz 3 місяці тому
5:43 "I could go on...and to be honest I will. Lets face facts..." Richard L.
@kaiserfakinaway5909 3 місяці тому
the GOAT
@chrisclarke4295 3 місяці тому
I love your reviews Rich, there's just so much nuance and detail Makes me wish you'd review games too, and not just technically
@Amanojaku8 3 місяці тому
He used to, for Mean Machines magazine in the '90s I think?
@c0d3_m0nk3y 3 місяці тому
Only 12 GB of VRAM for a $600 card is a real bummer, though. Recommending the 4070 Super despite of that is like saying AMD cards are great if you ignore raytracing, upscaling, frame generation, denoising and AI.
@Argedis 3 місяці тому
Don't forget power usage
@totalprocall6894 3 місяці тому
@@Argedis Don't forget undervolting.
@Argedis 3 місяці тому
@@totalprocall6894 You can undervolt any card, the fact is the AMD cards still use way more power. No one wants a space heater in the summer
@DeadNoob451 3 місяці тому
@@Argedis Except for anyone who bought a 3080 or above last gen. Or a 4090 lol.
@StrazdasLT 3 місяці тому
The thing is theres no game out there that uses more VRAM. For a gaming card 12 GB is enough.
@gavinderulo12 3 місяці тому
Those ps5 settings comparisons are awesome and something you won't find in any other review.
@JoeStuffzAlt 3 місяці тому
Agreed. With the GPU prices increasing, it's good to let us know what we'll be getting vs buying the console. Still, there's the mouse and keyboard factor for FPS games.
@Leeki85 3 місяці тому
@@JoeStuffzAlt You'll also get both Xbox and Playstation games on PC and no paid subscription to play on-line. PC has also great backwards compatibility. Most PS4/XO era games have ultra settings on PC that are far beyond what is available on current consoles via backwards compatibility.
@JoeStuffzAlt 3 місяці тому
@@Leeki85 100% agreed. Backwards compatibility has been awesome. I have Xbox 360 and PS4-era games, and 0 problems playing them. There's also the factor of "okay, it sucks on my PC now, but how will it run on the PC I'll have 5 years from now?"
@Battleneter 3 місяці тому
@@JoeStuffzAlt A PC is not "just" a toy like a console, many PC gamers also use their PC for productivity types tasks as well like work from home etc. Comparing the price is a bit like comparing a cheap screw driver to an Swiss army knife that does everything, but of course you can just use it as a screw driver :P
@i3l4ckskillzz79 3 місяці тому
My 4090 pc is definitely a toy
@mechanicalmonk2020 3 місяці тому
I absolutely love love love the new "real world use cases" benchmarks. Keep that up!
@HypnoticSuggestion 3 місяці тому
It was the 4070 Ti and up which had the dual AV1 encoders I think? So I'm curious if the 4070 Super now has that.
@Xarrant 3 місяці тому
4070 Super does not have dual encoders. Still only the 4070 Ti up only including the Ti Super.
@farazsiddiqui1312 3 місяці тому
What does the dual AV1 encoders do?
@randomguydoes2901 3 місяці тому
@@farazsiddiqui1312 they can encode modern video at a decent render speed. To efficiently store on a drive or to stream to some device (with AV1 decode)
@Corybander 3 місяці тому
Thank you for making this
@miguelroman4294 3 місяці тому
Rich thanks for your breakdown of the RTX4070S and the comparison between the other cards as well.
@GriffinCorpOne 3 місяці тому
I'm so happy I ordered the 4070 Super. I just built my new gaming PC and I'm just waiting for the Super and the Alienware 32" QD-OLED to arrive!
@oli6108 3 місяці тому
Great review. I personally find this style so much more useful showing actual use case and describing how games feel to play rather than endless benchmarks and barcharts that dont really convey the experience, just a snapshot of data. Keep it up!
@ClarkWasHere1 3 місяці тому
4070super is more than double the performance of the 2070super, but sadly doesn't have the 2x vram that would let the card age gracefully during the rest of the gen.
@ArcanePath360 3 місяці тому
Indeed. At this price point it should be 16GB RAM at least. I thought my 3070 would be fine at 8GB but just a year later and I'm having to turn settings down. My card can easily handle the processing but lacks the memory.
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat 3 місяці тому
@@ArcanePath360 true, more vram is absolutely necessary.
@IncredibleLyrics 3 місяці тому
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat Dont think its really necessary at all?
@Sam_Saraguy 3 місяці тому
@@IncredibleLyrics It is necessary for 2 or 3 years of future proofing. And with the price of graphics cards, you need that.
@ziggyvertang3257 3 місяці тому
I'm running a 2070s so thinking about upgrading but even the performance increase this card just seems a daft way to spend some cash
@AdrienPierret 3 місяці тому
Great review! I'd love to see some VR benchmarks too!
@telefonbarmann4514 3 місяці тому
I think the approach of testing with console settings is great. I also think it's great that you still additionally use bar graphs and comparable settings to get a sense of where the cards rank relative to the others. All of this really gives a better picture for the end user and what can and can't be played in the end. I think with that, you are making a valuable addition to the review community.
@bragr9139 3 місяці тому
I love these videos, but i think a lot of us are sitting on our 30 series, and would prefer more comparisons to the 3080,70 and 90. I have a 3090, while it might be more energy efficient, i can't see if these cards are really better or worth upgrading to yet.
@Cam_Wight 3 місяці тому
Bro I’m on a 1070, no one includes even the 2070 anymore
@powzer122 3 місяці тому
great job, hope yall do more GPU reviews!
@Nucleosynthese 3 місяці тому
Good to see improvements
@ehcor 3 місяці тому
Richard Leadbetter VS. Peter Griffin @ 16:09 . Kidding aside, taking console equivalent settings with DLSS/FSR for benchmarking should be standard. Great review.
@PLAjcmdaddy 3 місяці тому
+2 for Spinal Tap reference.
@mateusbarao1761 3 місяці тому
Excellent review as always! Have you ever considered adding the director's cut mod for Control? I'm interested in how well it runs on those cards considering how much better the RT is with the mod.
@soraaoixxthebluesky 3 місяці тому
Why is it so hard for them to make 16GB of VRAM as a standard?
@lharsay 3 місяці тому
Because despite it being a new product the 4070Super is using a chip which was designed years ago, Nvidia either hoped that we would have more dense memory chips on the market by now or simply didn't think this card needed more. There is a possibility that they could give it 24GB but that would be expensive and kinda overkill.
@Mopantsu 3 місяці тому
The architecture was decided upon over a year in advance of the 4070 Non-Super launch. Nvidia fucked up on die and memory bus bandwidth not predicting how much VRAM would be needed on modern titles. Plus they always try to skimp on memory to improve their margins and make sure the upgrade cycle continues on a two yearly basis. There will never be another 1080 Ti moment.
@Phil_529 3 місяці тому
They want to upsell you. I bet it's working.
@TheDuzx 3 місяці тому
I think there is a real possibility that Nvidia just took their margin back to where they were at launch. They probably have better yealds so they can give more cores to the "casual" option. It's literally the same size chip so the BOM should be about the same.
@DeadNoob451 3 місяці тому
Yeah it seems like a reset to MSRP after the normal 4070 was dropping in price.1
@magnusskold9134 3 місяці тому
Love Spinal Tap reference 😍
@DanKeatis 3 місяці тому
Control is one of the few games where GPU glitches (I had an issue with HD textures taking forever to load) actually enhance the game with its ever-present sense of weirdness.
@vanceg4901 3 місяці тому
4070 TI Super on 01/24/24 will be interesting reviews.
@Phil_529 3 місяці тому
Finally a "budget" 4K NVIDIA card. What a joke this pricing has become.
@TheLastTater 3 місяці тому
I’ve watched all of the 4070 super reviews. There are plenty of great ones out there but I have got to say DF reviews are always my favorite. The tests and data are always concise and meaningful. I always love the perspective you guys offer with the tests
@JizzSock_ 3 місяці тому
You have something brown on your nose.
@TheLastTater 3 місяці тому
@@JizzSock_ lol I thought this was a good place to show my appreciation for how DF does their reviews… I’m sorry that bothers you 😉
@subjectivereviews 3 місяці тому
Gamers Nexus is also good
@TheLastTater 3 місяці тому
@@subjectivereviews yeah they are great too. 👍🏼
@subjectivereviews 3 місяці тому
@@TheLastTater 👌
@alansilva4211 3 місяці тому
@DF Clips @Digital Foundry where can I find those settings at 17:24? Can you guys share please 😂
@Bikerider8962 3 місяці тому
At 5:18 you might want to censor one of the adds in Cyberpunk lol.
@telsan4291 3 місяці тому
Best thing about the 4070 super is how they crashed the 4070 pricing, I’ve managed to get a 4070 on eBay UK for £400 and for that price I’m chuffed with the price to performance. Only catch is the VRAM being a little low at 12GB so not sure about how futureproof it is
@Wobbothe3rd 3 місяці тому
12gb is fine for the next 5 years.
@arbernuka3679 3 місяці тому
sure bro like 8-10 gbs cards were fine back than, do you realise 3070ti went to trash tier 1.5years after its release just cause of vram.
@03chrisv 3 місяці тому
@@arbernuka3679 Most devs target consoles, 12GB will be fine until the PS6 launches since PS5 and Series X games don't use more than 12GB of memory.
@Phil_529 3 місяці тому
@@Wobbothe3rd 12GB chokes on Cyberpunk pathtracing at 4K already.
@mikem9536 3 місяці тому
So the 4070 is almost worth the price now?
@robertlawrence9000 3 місяці тому
When a RTX 3080 beats a RTX 4070, something is wrong. The 4000 series cards should not have launched this way. Now we are seeing these new cards more comparable how the next gen tier should be more like, even though having to name them in weird ways because of the original names taken. Of course the prices are still not favorable to where they should be and hopefully their 5000 series will show better increases to performance compared to previous gen class groups.
@wiLdchiLd2k 3 місяці тому
its not wrong... its a xx80 vs a xx70 the 80 should perform better even a gen before... with rt dlss fg the 3080 wont beat any 40 series.
@TTOOS 3 місяці тому
@@wiLdchiLd2k Spoken like a true consumer!!! 🙈😂😂😂😂
@MrBrax 3 місяці тому
@@wiLdchiLd2kprevious 70 gens beat the new 80 gens
@Arcona 3 місяці тому
@@wiLdchiLd2k FG and power efficiency is all is has going for it. FG is only in some games, and sucks in a lot of them. DLSS is the same, and RT perf of the 3080 is similar to the 4070, and better than the 4060Ti, and massively better than the 4060. And it is wrong. 4070 being a bit slower than a 3080 in raster is poor. A 3070 is faster than a 2080 Ti. A 3060Ti is faster than a 2080. A 2070 is faster than a 1080. A 1070 is faster than a 980Ti 4070 is dropping the trend.
@vinyfiny 3 місяці тому
@@wiLdchiLd2k The 3060 ti matched the 2080 and the 2070 mostly beat the 1080 so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
@jaanireel 3 місяці тому
00:04 Nvidia aims to address the RTX 3080 situation with the 4070 super refresh. 02:42 Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070 Super is a winner with excellent energy efficiency and performance. 05:02 Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070 Super outperforms AMD and Nvidia hardware with significant lead 07:21 Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070 Super beats RX 7800 XT by 4 percentage points 09:44 Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070 Super offers substantial performance gains over console gaming. 12:01 RTX 4070 Super offers over twice the performance of PS5 in some games 14:23 Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070 Super delivers exceptional 4K performance with DLSS 16:41 Performance boost with dlss and frame gen 18:40 Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070 Super provides increased value and performance 20:38 Support for digital Foundry is crucial
@-INFERNUS- 3 місяці тому
I just ordered the PNY 4070 Super Overclocked from Amazon, it's been available since Jan. 17 no issues at all with stock. Now I have to put my EVGA 3070 on my shelf, I'm not selling that one. RIP EVGA 😭
@k.23_02 3 місяці тому
This is not a step in the right and doesn't fix most people's issues with the 70 cards. Nvidia have completely ignored the main issues that people had with the 4070 which was the fact we was paying $550 - $600 for a GPU with only 12GB of Vram. It's good they've added 16GB to the 4070 Ti Super but the 4070 Super should of got 16GB too.
@shiba7651 3 місяці тому
They can't easily add more vram to that gpu without changing the whole memory layout to accommodate a wider bit bus, that's why most cards with different amounts of vram cut the memory bandwidth or just use half as much capacity for the lower end models
@TheUruse 3 місяці тому
You're watching Nvidia biased channel after all.
@joeykeilholz925 3 місяці тому
More performance at same cost is undeniably the right direction. You wanted less?
@nicane-9966 3 місяці тому
@@joeykeilholz925it still didnt fix the elephant im the room wich is what needed to be fixed the most and price but you cant see it.
@k.23_02 3 місяці тому
@@shiba7651 They could have just did what they did with the 4070 Ti Super which is put it on the 4080 die but just massively cut it so it's not too close to a 4070 Ti Super in performance because obviously they still need to sell 4070 Ti Supers
@hacob2004 3 місяці тому
The card needs 16gb of ram. If they dropped the original 4070 to $450 I bet this card wouldn't sell well at all.
@Wobbothe3rd 3 місяці тому
The 4070 sold extremely well at the original MSRP.
@hacob2004 3 місяці тому
@@Wobbothe3rd That’s because it was the most affordable 40 series card that wasn’t flat out bad.
@harrygeoffrion4520 3 місяці тому
Id cop a 4070 at 450$ in a heartbeat
@selohcin 3 місяці тому
Right, but that will never happen, so...
@nBasterd 3 місяці тому
05:15 nice billboard there
@richardtucker5938 3 місяці тому
2:39 Rich did this come off the back of a truck TOO?
@K3Techs 3 місяці тому
What's up with people completely misrepresenting inflation in this thread? $500 premium GPUs should be like $700 now at equal manufacturing costs. If it was inflation Nvidia's margins wouldn't have exploded 🤦🏻♂️
@pcgamingftw5694 3 місяці тому
People have to cope with their purchasing decisions, i.e. being ripped off by Nvidia...
@Wobbothe3rd 3 місяці тому
Inflation over just the past 5 years has been dramatic. And the cards offeruch more performance. People are buying rtx40 cards for a reason, regardless of what channels like this think.
@Phil_529 3 місяці тому
NVIDIA is definitely pushing their profits first. The 4080S is only 379 mm² whereas the 1080 TI was 471 mm² for $700 MSRP. That $700 would be $880 accounting for inflation. Yet we are expected to pay $999 for the 4080S even though it's vastly cutdown. Remember when the 70 series launched at $329? Pepperidge Farm remembers. Also they ripped people off on VRAM back then too -- 3.5GB belongs in infamy.
@SimonBuchanNz 3 місяці тому
Nvidia gets their margins from the $10,000+ AI cards AFAICT, don't think the GPU market is really their focus at the CEO level. Inflation might be crazy, but the sticker shock was the 20 to the 30 series cards, which was blamed on COVID shortages and crypto mining - then they didn't drop off after (but then, why would Nvidia when AMD are still behind enough on features?)
@Phil_529 3 місяці тому
@@SimonBuchanNz Turing was expensive so they could clear Pascal stock. The 3080 at $700 was them going back to sane pricing. We have since dealt with another crypto boom and crash and now NVIDIAs greed is at an all time high.
@letterman4290 3 місяці тому
I better stay with my 3080 for another year
@blackomegax 3 місяці тому
Or longer. Just keep an eye on vram usage. 10/12gb isn't enough these days.
@willwunsche6940 3 місяці тому
Same I am so glad I got it around MSRP close to launch. Gonna cross gen upgrade
@Wobbothe3rd 3 місяці тому
Duh. Nobody upgrades every cycle. If you have a 3080 you don't even need to consider rtx40, silly to even mention that.
@letterman4290 3 місяці тому
@@Wobbothe3rd Totally agree, only 4090 is a step forward in that generation.
@Phil_529 3 місяці тому
@@Wobbothe3rd Went from 3080 to 4090. Worth every penny.
@basheeros5814 3 місяці тому
I'm curious about what the PS5 graphical settings for TLOU P1 really are so I could try them out and see how my machine performs with them, they weren't shown in the video...
@kphuts815 3 місяці тому
It should be on the last of us P1 pc video on their channel
@basheeros5814 3 місяці тому
@@kphuts815 they only specified the textures iirc and it wasn't the fully patched ver which is still lacking perf wise
@kphuts815 3 місяці тому
@@basheeros5814 oh right, sorry about that
@scepticskeptic1663 3 місяці тому
id focus on overclocking the ram to max seeing as it as all that extra grunt and no room to gallop
@sneakysnake3344 3 місяці тому
659€ (included Tax) which is 715somewhat Us$ yeah they can fucking keep it
@DeadNoob451 3 місяці тому
But you dont understand. It consumes so little power that in just 50 years you will have made up the money it costs.
@wesbaugher 3 місяці тому
I’ve been rocking my Rtx 2070 super for a bit now. I have been wanting to upgrade, but to be honest with dlss on most modern games, I still seem to be beating out my ps5 is terms of performance. So I’ve been dragging my feet. The rtx 480 super might be the upgrade. Waiting for that review
@shiba7651 3 місяці тому
At this point you could just skip this whole generation, as most graphically demanding games are quite bad nowadays
@SimonBuchanNz 3 місяці тому
I'm on the same and this release finally pushed me over the line, mostly because I want to check out ray reconstruction and frame generation. Getting back into high frame rate territory with less aggressive DLSS and a little less VRAM pressure are nice, but I agree not really generally worth the price.
@mikem9536 3 місяці тому
@@shiba7651Yeah, only reason to chase new hardware for a game is if you're a Baldur's Gate 3 fanatic.
@shiba7651 3 місяці тому
@@mikem9536 And not even, I can run bg3 at 4k ultra with a 6700xt
@pkaulf 3 місяці тому
I'm the same as you, I have my eye on the 4070 ti Super. 16GB should really be the bare minimum for new GPUs today.
@dravenhoule646 3 місяці тому
Great vid!
@carnicorp 3 місяці тому
3:21 Was that a "Dirtier the better" reference?
@mikem2253 3 місяці тому
These should have been called "The 4070 'What It Should Have Been' Edition."
@RealMTBAddict 3 місяці тому
So start your own damn company
@BleedForTheWorld 3 місяці тому
@@RealMTBAddict just wave a magic wand, woosh
@RealMTBAddict 3 місяці тому
@@BleedForTheWorld Do something besides complaining
@starfighter7293 3 місяці тому
@@RealMTBAddict sure just let me build a GPU Company to match NVIDIA and AMD real quick...
@AdaaDK 3 місяці тому
still overpriced and underpreforming, a 70class with a 192bus is a scandal, and considering it has a launch price more than 100% higher than the 970 cards less than a decade ago, Ngreedia has fooled u all.
@detonator620 3 місяці тому
And I remember good old times when you just launch 3DMark 2001 and compare the results. How the tech have evolved.
@TheFMCFG 3 місяці тому
I really liked the PS5 comparison, but what about an older high-end card like the 2080 Ti for example?
@Rexxark1ng 3 місяці тому
“I could go on, and to be honest I will” Such a rich humour 😄
@eliack95 3 місяці тому
This is definitely what the 40 series should have been at launch. I'm happy with my 4070 Ti but now I wonder how viable it would be for me to trade in at Microcenter for a 4070 Ti Super or 4080 Super
@RealMTBAddict 3 місяці тому
Don't trade in, you'll get a hundred bucks more selling it on eBay.
@GarrettTobyC13 3 місяці тому
I just wonder what the second hand market will be willing to pay for mine. I barely used the thing it’s in great condition. Is 600 too optimistic?
@RealMTBAddict 3 місяці тому
@@GarrettTobyC13 Just look at existing listings to get an idea.
@plasticelephant1969 3 місяці тому
never upgrade in the same gen my guy, wait for 50 series, get a 5080 when it comes
@AbrahamZX1 3 місяці тому
@@GarrettTobyC13 I think $600-650 is fair, it still beats the 4070 Super by about 8-10%.
@defaltpearce3187 3 місяці тому
A step forward and two step backward
@danielcowen2311 3 місяці тому
When I see all these variants of cards all it tells me is the next version is right around the corner. 5000 series likely coming out in the Fall?
@mikem9536 3 місяці тому
Yep, they need to dump their current stock of GPU's for newer ones.
@clockworklegionaire2135 3 місяці тому
@@mikem9536 By making more 40 series gpu's? loool
@damianward9695 2 місяці тому
Does this helps with game speeds? Cause I'm experiencing slowness and lag on all my games I don't know why, it started like last week and now all my games are slow and lagging and its frustrating. I have the default (NVIDA GeForce GTX1650 4GB)
@PancakeInu 3 місяці тому
GTX 970 for $330 USD. Still rocking one like it's 2014.
@Parmetheus 3 місяці тому
Same here and my CPU is also from that era lol 🥲
@raresmacovei8382 3 місяці тому
To be fair, 970 was like a GTX 780 with a newer uArch and more VRAM. But wasn't a speed boost.
@krisw4846 3 місяці тому
Lmao...Same 😅
@antoniodimarco7364 3 місяці тому
@@raresmacovei8382 was (slightly) more powerful, and with more vram than the 780ti, that was the top of the line at the time
@RealMTBAddict 3 місяці тому
Why?
@MrBrax 3 місяці тому
Still too expensive
@kaiserfakinaway5909 3 місяці тому
Yeah and so is AMD's card, I really hope this pushes AMD to price their card 100-200 USD cheaper which would in turn force NVIDIA to make their cards a bit cheaper as well, these two greedy bozos have played with our wallets for too long. I had to pay 1k USD for an RX 6700 XT (even more overpriced in my country), the 3060 Ti was 50 USD more and the 3070 was 1400 USD, I wanted to get the 3070 but that was just way too much. The rest of my PC cost 1000 USD like bruh. If the RTX 4070 Super costed 500 USD (which it should imo) then it'd be a great deal and I think at that point PC gaming would be booming even more. The 70 series cards have always been the sweet spot. No one NEEDS anything more, these cards leave you with enough in your pocket to upgrade again later on but not take away so much that you can't play anything. They strike a nice balance. I think budget cards should be better too, the RX 7600 should be called the RX 7500 and be priced like that and so on. Oh well a man can dream.
@Cogglesz 3 місяці тому
Looking for help from some PC builders! I installed an asus 3060ti a couple years ago. Held off the 4060ti for lack of price = perf. I've always wanted to try upgrade to the 70's or 70tis. Is this new generation worth it this year to save for or should i just hang off another year? Usually i do 4K gaming on the 3060 unless its really demanding without DLSS options but yeah. I'd like to try this frame tech. I reckon my 400 plus 3060ti isn't worth more than 200 used now either. What do you guys think at all in the comments? Hold off another year in hopes of a 50 series or just save and keep my eyes peeled for a 4070ti. Something in the 5-600 uk pounds range would be ideal. My oven broke two days ago so rip the current savings.
@RealMTBAddict 3 місяці тому
Upgrade now, NVIDIA won't release the 5000 series for 2 more years. The 4070 Super is 50% faster than the 3060ti.
@K3zster 3 місяці тому
If you're getting noticeable performance drops in the games you're playing, or holding off on playing games due to lack of power - it's a worthwhile upgrade. CPU is a factor too, though - you will hit diminishing returns on upgrading GPU if your CPU is not up to task.
@hermiandroid3672 3 місяці тому
Just go down in resolution to 1440P (use also upscale if needed) and wait for next 5000 generation cards while saving money 💰 In next years VRAM hunger will even rise further 🖥
@duxnihilo 3 місяці тому
From a 3060TI, you'll barely notice anything different. I wouldn't upgrade.
@Cogglesz 3 місяці тому
@@K3zster Thanks for your reply. I didn't expect anyone to really see this. I'm really torn as yeah most games i'd play with upscaling run fine and to my eyes it's not a killer. Balanced mode DLSS is brilliant for the higher tiered games like BG3 in 4k. My biggest issue is V-Ram usage. It wouldn't matter if i set the res to 900p some game would cripple loading in new assets. I feel that's only going to be an issue in the next year but i can't justify $700+ on a slightly better than last gen 70 card. I'm really turn up on it too. I run an AMD 5900X and really anything i throw at. It's a CPU i've overclocked and spent a lot of time on tweaking. Positive i'll get 5+ years out of that and the Motherboard. If not more :) I've also 64gb ram but i understand that's not so much a big deal. SSD's of course to deal with this generation games. Starfield was a great example, Didn't matter if i ran it at 720p low or 4k with FSR so its around 60. Whenever i paused i'd get that wild V-ram stutter. It seems too perhaps texture loading might be an issue too but its hard to narrow down on an engine by engine basis. Ideally if i knew the 50 series was out next year i'd happily wait. It plays games like Elden ring much better than my PS5 copy. Thanks for the reply and reading through this. I've just been so puzzled on what i should do. Heck even try find a used 4080 or 4070? It's a hard choice and the only thing holding back my rig from my ideal specs.
@12345abcd_qwerty 3 місяці тому
Thanks
@dieard1 3 місяці тому
Just fitted my msi 4070 super to my virtual pinball cabinet. Cracking card!
@kordman916 3 місяці тому
Weird flex but okay
@dieard1 3 місяці тому
@@kordman916 “it’s a cracking card” how’s that flexing? Theres allot of people out there that build virtual pinball machines and GPU’s are a major factor.
@GamingRobioto 3 місяці тому
Excellent video, not as dry as a lot of other reviews. I particularly liked the PS5 comparisons.
@Phelaidar 3 місяці тому
Lets make it clear. A baby step.
@joshi2342 3 місяці тому
About the ps5 comparisons, dont you have to keep in mind that the ps5 could also be cpu throttled?
@pkaulf 3 місяці тому
I'm looking to upgrade from the 2070 Super. The performance of the 4070 Super is ideal, but ideally I want a card that's going to last me 5 years again, and I know that 12GB VRAM is not going to cut it, having made that mistake with the 8GB on the 2070S. Looks like I'm saving up for a 4070 Ti Super then.
@deuswulf6193 3 місяці тому
You could also get a used 3090, I have seen them go for pretty cheap, though it takes a bit of hunting. Should last you awhile until Blackwell comes out, and at that point Nvidia will have no option to but to jack up vram sizes. Alternatively Intel's battlemage will be coming out sometime towards the end of this year, and the AMD options are not too shabby on the high end, assuming you don't need the nvidia specific benefits. That said the 4070 ti and 4080 are solid bets.
@K.C-2049 3 місяці тому
hop over to AMD and get a 7800xt? comparable performance and 16 GB. I'm kind of wishing I had got one but I do like my 4070 (though I'm a pretty casual/recreational gamer)
@TTOOS 3 місяці тому
Pricing still awful!!!
@Torso6131 3 місяці тому
Is DLSS3 Frame Gen decent enough to be used at sub 60fps base framerates? I always see people using it for games in path traced mode where their base framerate is like 30-45fps, but then gpu manufacturers push for a 60fps floor (at least AMD does, perhaps their tech isn't as sophisticated?). Or are people just making that sacrifice in input latency and motion clarity for higher fluidity? I haven't seen DLSS3 in person in a while, but using FSR3 in Avatar is pretty fantastic when you have a base framerate of 60, but very much a mixed bag at 40-50fps base framerate. Anyway, glad things are trending in the right direction. Hopefully AMD can figure path tracing and FSR out (and hopefully intel can make good mid-range card) and make the market more competitive.
@Tanzu15 3 місяці тому
Frame gen is best used if you get 60 FPS or more. 50 FPS is fine too but you would see that it’s not as good as having a base perf of 60 or above.
@wchiggenbobber 3 місяці тому
I've found the DLSS3 output of 90fps to be sufficient for single-player games. 80FPS even if you're using a controller.
@bfstudios9163 Місяць тому
Just got my 4070s FE it’s so smol and cute
@will891410 3 місяці тому
GPU makers should add some space on the board for upgrading the ammount of memory in it, like it comes with 16GB but some slots for you to buy memory and add it later.
@leonro 3 місяці тому
there's no such high speed & low latency standard connector, you also need to cool the ram and will lose on bandwidth with the standard sku
@will891410 3 місяці тому
@@leonro 🤔
@KrakenGameReviews 3 місяці тому
Gpu memory runs at such high speeds you need to design traces on the board specifically to ensure you're utilising that GDDRX ram effectively. The amount of engineering, resources and price increases needed for a feature that only a subset of users would take advantage of seems a waste. You "can" get a professional to desolder the existing vram and upgrade it, and you'd need someone to edit a bios to detect more vram.
@RealMTBAddict 3 місяці тому
VRAM over 12gb isn't needed. Calm down child
@will891410 3 місяці тому
@@RealMTBAddict 8 GB is too low, 12 GB is better and 16 GB is the best option. The best bet is 24 GB to play games abou 250 FPS.
@LtSokol 3 місяці тому
Its still too high at the price point it offers especially for mid range card. I have a feeling we will never see a proper price model we use to get before the whole ridiculous prices hit the GPU market few years back...
@paul1979uk2000 3 місяці тому
Yep, I consider mid-range to be anywhere from £300-£500 depending on the card. This card is supposed to be a mid-range gpu, but it's priced more like a high-end card, and even thought it's better than what we had before it, it's still crazy high of a price point for that class of card and the conclusion for me is that the last gen gpu's are a better deal then this gen whiles still being powerful enough for the latest gaming, whereas this gen has been way too expensive across the range of AMD and Nvidia gpu's. I also find it amusing how some think this gpu is a good price or even a steal, seriously, what planet are these people on? lol, yes it's better than what we've just had but gpu's have been way over inflated the last 2 or so years.
@RealMTBAddict 3 місяці тому
So start your own company genius
@schabigerlump 3 місяці тому
The only luck is that with 10 percent tdp increase it runs at old 4070Ti performance for 200 eurodebts less. Not great, not terrible card.
@Wobbothe3rd 3 місяці тому
It's a great value.
@DeadNoob451 3 місяці тому
@@RealMTBAddict So if i dont want BP to spill oil in the ocean i should just go and get my own offshore oil platform ? Not sure how that would help buddy.
@zsreich 3 місяці тому
Its interesting how close this card is to the 4080 mobile card, which is a cut down 4070ti gpu. I guess this is decent enough for $600 if you really need a gpu upgrade right now. Otherwise, I would just wait for the next series which you would expect to be a bigger bump.
@JebesNikove 3 місяці тому
When I hear midrange card for a almost 700 eur product it hurts my soul :D
@papalazarou7880 3 місяці тому
I bought my son the Asus TUF Gaming 4070 OC the within the first few weeks of the 4070’s release. Gutted, 9 months later you can get a faster card for the same price! They could have left it for a year at least surely? I’ve bought the GeForce 2 MX 400, GeForce 2 GTS, GeForce 3 Ti 200, GeForce 4 Ti 4200, (Radeon 9800 Pro), GeForce 6600 GTS (Big Console playing gap) GeForce 1070, 1080, 3060 12GB, 3070 and 4070 but for me I won’t be buying Nvidia again after this. The 1080 and 1080 Ti are the last great cards they made. The 3070 should have had 10GB and the 3080 12GB from the start. The 4070 Ti should have been the 4070 but also needed 16GB VRAM. They’ve well and truly done us over since the 1000 Series. 2060 6GB?!… My daughter has the 3070 but will be upgrading her to an AMD card next 100%. My son will stay on the 4070 for another 2 years then he’s going AMD and I currently have the 7900XTX so I’m ok for the next 3-4 years.
@mikem9536 3 місяці тому
No they couldn't wait any longer, they want to ditch the 12GB VRAM models before they are garbage.
@someusername1872 3 місяці тому
Wow, this is embarrassing. I kind of feel better about buying a 3080 now.
@cube2fox 3 місяці тому
How do they compare in terms of price?
@joeykeilholz925 3 місяці тому
@@cube2fox$700 msrp Sept. 2020 release date on the 3080. Jan. 2024 we have a card releasing at $600 that performs worse than the 3080 at times. Considering the time that's passed and how much more vram is needed these days, it's unacceptable. The 4070 super should be $450-$500.
@someusername1872 3 місяці тому
@@joeykeilholz925paid 700 for a used EVGA 3080 on eBay. Kind of paid way too much but it's an EVGA card so I don't think it's gonna croak any time soon
@sdtunstall 3 місяці тому
Need to reject this at this price with just 12GB of VRAM. We're being herded toward premature obsolescence when AW2 and the Avatar already smash up against 12GB's when you have 1440p or 4k at higher details, and that's before RT being turned on.
@cyberrb25 3 місяці тому
Still think that Nvidia needs a new "bang value" lineup. Especially an entry point card. Even if the finances of it (refuse to call that economics - such a high standard is not met 90% of the time) don't support it nearly as much, having some card that has the tech you want developers to exploit for the next half decade is important if you want that tech to become ubiquitous. It's hard to sell DLSS if there's still a decent amount of old cards (mine included - a 1650) that do not have the things that should be standard in games. Though I guess Nvidia would be doing that with Nintendo's new console...
@FSAPOJake 3 місяці тому
$600 or more for a GPU with 12GB VRAM. That's going to be a hard sell in 2024, so I expect this to drop in price over time just like the 4070 and 4070ti did.
@RealMTBAddict 3 місяці тому
Wahhhh
@fabrb26 3 місяці тому
@@RealMTBAddict it start at 700€ here and electricity bill around x3,5 compared to highest US. So yeah 6600/6650xt , 3050/4060 is about the range of what you can do under 500€ for GPU and one year of electricity worth
@RealMTBAddict 3 місяці тому
@@fabrb26 Electricity bill? Not sure what VRAM has to do with your energy bill lol.
@nicane-9966 3 місяці тому
@@RealMTBAddict12gb is a mockery of a card. If u are into 12gb at 600 good for you enjoy lowering settings by the end of the year on your newest purchase (disgrace of a card)
@mikem9536 3 місяці тому
@@nicane-9966For anyone with a decent GPU already, this card is another Dud.
@ReachTea 3 місяці тому
12GB VRAM is still so unbelievably low and makes it hard to do RT at 1440p, should be minimum 16GB
@DeadPiixxel 3 місяці тому
I don't use RT so 12GB is fine for me but not at that price
@jmcfizzle29 3 місяці тому
What games is it hard to do that with?
@IHeart16Bit 3 місяці тому
And yet the video clearly shows otherwise , so that was a dumb take. Although, it should be a 16gb card for the price, no arguments there.
@drunkhusband6257 3 місяці тому
12gb of vram is more than enough for 1440p and will be for quite a while.
@ronniekregar3482 3 місяці тому
@@drunkhusband6257true.... people make wayyyy too big a deal over Vram..
@Dookie69uk 3 місяці тому
I'm still rocking a voodoo 2, with a 486 at 66mhz. It runs duke nukem 3d great.
@sklynexd 3 місяці тому
Why is your software showing only 16ms and 33ms for the PS5? It should be also in between like 24, 26 or anything else just like on PC.
@RomanSpinella 3 місяці тому
No, it's not a step in the right direction. Is less bullshit than the awful 4070? Kinda. I have an 3080 since october 2020, the 4070s launched almost 3 and a half years later with almost the same performance and costing 100 usd less. The OG 4070 should have cost 500 usd with this kind of performance and 16gb of vram.
@InternetOfGames 3 місяці тому
It's 2024 Jensen needs his billions peasants! Whilst we celebrate billionaires expect further shaftings.
@vertigoz 3 місяці тому
12 GB?
@raiden_c1 3 місяці тому
I've been torn for a minute. Snag one of these super cards (i would go 4080 super), or wait for the 50 series. Im running a 3090 rn. Recently upgraded to the 7800x3D. I play on ultra with rtx dlss balanced at 1440p. A 4080 Super would be more than enough for it, but with how close the 50 series is, im torn lol
@mikem9536 3 місяці тому
Wait for the 16GB 4070 or for the 5000 gpu's is where I'm at.
@DeadNoob451 3 місяці тому
Just wait, sidegrading to a 40 series card is waste of money if you have a 3090.
@JayJaySurf588 3 місяці тому
Nvidia on 4070 Super: *adds 1000 or so cuda cores* Media: "LEAP FORWARD!"
@paulustrucenus 3 місяці тому
1000 is à lot of cuda cores
@AdaaDK 3 місяці тому
and if you look at it like the core has its maxed cuda near the 4070TI, its still not a high % of increse of its total cudacore count, and people forget about diminishing returns + the impact of the gimped mem bus on the 70 series.
@Wobbothe3rd 3 місяці тому
The performance speaks for itself. The 4070 Super beats a 3090 in the toughest cases.
@ArthurM1863 3 місяці тому
Remember everyone: the more you buy the more you save!
@jesseslack2089 3 місяці тому
Rofl with "I could go on and to be honest I will" Just the way Rich says it makes laugh!
@Ishxmi 23 дні тому
is it worth to buy 4070 ti for 50€ more than 4070 super?
@walter_the_wobot2349 3 місяці тому
Thanks to DLSS 2 MY 3080 Ti is coping quite admirably. When FSR3 starts popping up in more games it should carry my card into the PS6 generation.
@jonny-b4954 3 місяці тому
My 2070 Super is showing its age at 1080p ultra settings with the lowest ray tracing options. With DLSS
@mint3 3 місяці тому
vram will be a limiting factor, especially at 4k.
@walter_the_wobot2349 3 місяці тому
@@mint3 Not really. I’m getting 50-60fps in Jedi Survivor at 4K epic settings with Ray tracing .🙂
@Wobbothe3rd 3 місяці тому
FSR3 FG sucks, it's not nearly as useful as DLSS3 FG.
@justitgstuff5284 3 місяці тому
@@mint3 Only game that I've hit my vram cap in was TLOU at 4k, and that was from a bug that they patched out since it works fine now. I've been playing a lot of CP2077, Control, Metro Exodus, etc. and they all run nicely at 4k with DLSS and the limiting factor is GPU performance. Even Fortnite is still mostly CPU limited despite being on UE5 now, no vram problems there.
@kaisersolo76 3 місяці тому
Its not enough. NV Users that are still using expensive (at the time) rtx 200/rtx 3000 with the pityful 8gb/10gb vram have seen how their cards are fairing in new games at the resolution they play at or want to play at. for $/£600 they demand 16gb with a bigger bus width or face another short life card. nvidia are experts at under delivering so you buy again.
@mikem9536 3 місяці тому
Yep, this is just another bad 4070.
@StrazdasLT 3 місяці тому
Considering that there is 2 games out there that can even use more than 10 GB of VRAM, id say they are doing just fine.
@SamuraiMujuru 3 місяці тому
Ive been contemplating upgrading from my 2080ti for a bit now, really looking like the 4070ti or super would he about perfect.
@shiba7651 3 місяці тому
At this point you could just skip this whole generation, as most graphically demanding games are quite bad nowadays
@StrazdasLT 3 місяці тому
@@shiba7651 You could also just quit gaming altogether. Wont need to spend anything on GPUs then.
@lorsch. 3 місяці тому
I'm thinking about staying with the 2080 Ti one more generation, the next generation should bring even better power efficiency, looking towards making my ITX build even smaller.
@JulianCallan 3 місяці тому
“On the off-chance you did like the video” Don’t be so modest!
@hatserl 3 місяці тому
The review in simple words is 8-10 Fps increase compared to RTX 4070
@Viarurla 3 місяці тому
Definitely feel as though VRAM just needs to be higher, would rather not get burned again like I was with the 3070. I feel as though even if you personally think 12gb is enough for you, you should still expect a better product considering how relatively cheap VRAM actually is
@zerocal76 3 місяці тому
Name of the game is planned obsolescence. Just like how phone manufacturers don't usually give u micro sd support and limit internal storage to like 256 maybe 512gbs
@garetts21 3 місяці тому
Would I’d like to see digital foundry do is compare to the same 4K TVs let’s say Oled 48,42 inches doesn’t matter one running 4K native one running 1440 P native and then upscaled versus both of them and see if you can see the difference sitting5 to 8 feet away. That would show everybody that you really don’t need to upgrade yet.
@Safetytrousers 3 місяці тому
1440p doesn't look good on my 4k Oled. But that depends whether the game has actual 4k textures. If it doesn't you don't see a difference dropping resolution. Especially true with cell shaded games.
@chrisvig123 3 місяці тому
Poor sales in Canada…I think most gamers are holding out for the 4070 super ti or 4080 super…12gb just seems really dated at this price point 😯
@K.C-2049 3 місяці тому
it's pretty weird how NVidia gabe the 4060 ti 16 GB a VRAM version, but not their new releases
@Bootlickersticker 3 місяці тому
8 percent faster than the 7800XT with less vram at $100 more what a steal! I want to sit in Jensen’s lap!
@fabrb26 3 місяці тому
Not mentioning that for that price you should have 4080 super performance
@IncredibleLyrics 3 місяці тому
While having better DLSS and RT.. seems worth ot me.
@nicane-9966 3 місяці тому
@@IncredibleLyricsstutter fiesta enjoy it in a year when that hsppens snd you start lowering settings and then watch how the 7800 xt will max out textures with smooth framerates.
@Wobbothe3rd 3 місяці тому
@nicane-9966 the 7800xt sucks if you factor in 1% lows. Have fun with your AMDip!
@Nucleosynthese 3 місяці тому
If you spend this kind of money on a GPU you want to be able to use all the bells and whistles in games. Sadly, the 7800XT does not run RT and is therefore a no go for many that shop in this price segment. I hope that the next gen AMD GPU's catch up.
@mikepawlikguitar 3 місяці тому
Edit* DLSS isn't just a crutch, it brings actual, visible graphical enhancements to the table including anti-aliasing. SS is super-sampling, which in and of itself means improved image quality. So, you're getting improved image quality AND more frames per second -- and in my view, this is a win-win. Aside from that, it's certainly not a mid-range card in terms of price, but it certainly is in terms of GIMPED MEMORY. VRAM for Nvidia cards should be: - 4060-series: 12G - 4070-series: 16G - 4080-series: 20G - 4090: 24G
@StrazdasLT 3 місяці тому
You say Gimped, but thats only true if you run AI models on it. For gaming, theres nothing out there right now that could use all 12 GB.
@phyxirian 3 місяці тому
On 1440p last of us part 1, Forspoken, Dead space remake used at release more then 12GB.
@mikepawlikguitar 3 місяці тому
@@phyxirian Yeah exactly, that's why people need to check their expectations. RTX 4070 for 1440p, easily, with 16G of RAM. None of the "lower-tier" Nvidia cards have enough VRAM, which is exactly my point!
@mikepawlikguitar 3 місяці тому
@@StrazdasLT I'm not sure why you would say this as there's very clear, cut & dry evidence indicating the exact opposite lol.
@omgitsbees 3 місяці тому
For cyberpunk, if you use DLSS, you'll get into the 100+ FPS range for the RTX 4070ti.
@anarfox 3 місяці тому
13:53 - I'm very pleased with Rich using the word joypad. Haven't heard that in a long time. 😊
@zergilli9719 3 місяці тому
Just ordered the white Asus Dual 4070 Super OC. It came out to $687 with taxes and shipping included. A heavy price to pay but I think it will pair really well with my i5 13600kf and 5600 DDR5 ram.
@nicknickname353 3 місяці тому
you got the perfect machine for 1440p gaming enjoy it man
@totalprocall6894 3 місяці тому
Yikes! 12gb for that money in 2024 would have me waking up in cold sweats. But enjoy man!
@zergilli9719 3 місяці тому
@@totalprocall6894 I figure the card will last me 3-4 years and I can upgrade again then when things are different. Right now, the 4070 runs every game well in 1440p which is what I needed.
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