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@ithasbeenwritten2223 роки тому
I am a BMW tech and I drove a 710m for many years. I never knew what the heck was happening in that driveline so thank you so much for making that.
@harleychensh3 роки тому
the most capable offroad driveline humanbeings ever made! Salute Ledwinka!
@MACIEKR7610 років тому
Haflingers and Pinzgauers are designs by Erich Ledvinka son of Hans Ledvinka constructor who worked both in Tatra and Steyr and design vehicles with tubular (backbone) frames with propeller shafts inside of them. So we can talk that construction was inherited rather than copied.
@silversurfer887 років тому
By far the best and shortest video explaining how something works, only facts. Thumbs up.
@sixtyfiveford6 років тому
That's an engineering masterpiece.
@airport41734 роки тому
YES.....BUT WE BRITISH STILL BEAT YOU.....and eat soggy sandwiches and baked beans that make usfart.......you can haveprince andrew back---mr sachs-coburg goether as we all are fed up of thedirt ylittleshit.
@fallenangel21233 роки тому
Black love matter 🙂🤣🙂🤣
@scottstevens97054 роки тому
Thank you! First video I could find that actually explains how these work
@juanluisoso12 років тому
Impresionante!!! grandisimo video!!! gracias por compartirlo, esta tecnologia es la que debieran tener los 4x4 de hoy en dia
@triumphspitfire4875 років тому
What a brilliant video, thanks so much for making it.
@garyshirey59577 років тому
Great video. I saw these differentials on a dump truck in Russia. Finally, I get to see what's inside. Thanks.
@user-ku2xr3nh4b3 місяці тому
TATRA truck made in Czech Republic
@PowerSports9 років тому
Been looking around forever for a video that shows how that type of differential works.
@nyiesah3 роки тому
Great engineering and great demonstration I would like to see how the the wheel hubs work as well
@gizmothewytchdoktor10496 років тому
what a killer setup! i have to wonder what that rear diff section will hold power-wise.
@tristanchristopher76828 років тому
Wow thanks for that amazing inside look much appreciated. Because of folks like you youtube is making geniuses
@tranhau38187 років тому
Amazing! Some respects to engineers and designers.
@magna5912 років тому
Great piece of work......thanks for being generous with the information.
@johnarizona38209 років тому
really amazing, thanks for posting
@jamesharrell43603 роки тому
Top notch quality video! Seriously. Thank you
@PMrex_offical9 років тому
What a great design!
@AMetalWorks12 років тому
sweet, thank you for posting this!
@dzoskin.fan13 роки тому
Great video! But how about sealing on axle housing.? That rubber is enough?
@danmcelroy65842 роки тому
Pure genius design! Just wish I could afford one of them!
@enterBJ4012 років тому
great video, the arrangement of the axles final dives shaft reminds me the tatra configuration
@blockstacker56143 роки тому
it was designed by the son of Tatra's old chief engineer
@lonewolf94883 роки тому
Great! Now make sense!
@lorenzrudolf10 років тому
My grandfather helped to design it and he also test it in austria,in switzerland ,arabian and in many other countries.he wrote ab book about the history of puch his name is Dr Egon Rudolf
@harveysmith10010 років тому
Well done too your grandfather. You should feel very proud of him. This is a brilliant bit of engineering. I really admire it. I will search for his book. Please ignore the Trolls, true engineering minds understand how clever it is.
@bamiracer10 років тому
Pinzgaur is the ultimate machine!! Respect to your GrandFather and all the Engineers that put this concept together back in the days in Graz Austria. Bamidele from Nigeria.
@austrorus8 років тому
+bamiracer when i was a young man we still had the predecessor to the Pinzgauer, the little Haflinger. amazing what the driver could do, so we never got out well shone boots dirty...
@austrorus8 років тому
+bamiracer when i was a young man we still had the predecessor to the Pinzgauer, the little Haflinger. amazing what the driver could do, so we never got out well shone boots dirty...
@m.b.823 роки тому
I always wondered what those diffs looked like. Now I know.
@michaelguerin56Рік тому
Thank you. Beats isometric drawings by a country mile. I am not a mechanic but it looks like a solid reliable system.
@kumbackquatsta4 роки тому
awesome. ifs/irs with portals! how strong are they comparatively to solid axles with portals?
@drubradley88213 роки тому
With this set up... Does that mean, there is a wheel further forward from the other side of the vehicle?... I think the right side wheel is always a few inches (cm) forward from the left side wheel?
@DAVERSczech4 роки тому
😍 I love Tatra whole my life and knew nothing about Pinzgauer. Thank you for this video where you can see how Pinzgauer and TATRA work, but at the same time I started to wonder why Steyr can use the same invention as TATRA and I learned a lot of interesting new information about the life of Hans Ledwink. This technical genius was during a gala evening on March 6, 2007 at the Geneva Motor Show, Hans Ledwinka inducted into the "Hall of Fame" among the most important designers in European car history. In 1961 he was awarded the Rudolf Diesel Medal.
@user-jo4hq8ks8n3 роки тому
Ledvinka
@NasserAlhameli8 років тому
Thank you very much!
@guzelovalish6 років тому
Thanks for this explaining video.
@Parents_of_Twins4 роки тому
Does the Tatra system work like this as well? Absolutely brilliant way to design an offroad vehicle and an excellent explanation of how it works as well. Thanks.
@ondrejkluc87603 роки тому
This Is pateneted by Tatra
@rykmat25424 місяці тому
@@ondrejkluc8760 This was never patented and it's not Ledwinka's invention. Stop repeating bullshits from Czech Wikipedia. Ledwinka was the only man in the world, who was able to design design this conception for mass production. And because Ledwinka designed Pinzgauer as a freelancer, Steyr didn't hold the necessary know-how to design other vehicles with this conception. The cost of development is the only reason why Tatra is the only producer of vehicles based on this conception.
@matof14284 роки тому
Tatra or Steyr? The right answer is LEDWINKA.
@patrickhayes30993 роки тому
Thanks, I really appreciated that explanation. Simple machine ideals whipped into a fantastic package. Does this utilize portal axles at the outside for better clearance? How does this compare to the driveline in the Haflinger?
@brianb-p65862 роки тому
Yes, there are drop gearboxes at the hubs, making them portal axles. Haflinger uses a similar backbone layout, but with conventional differentials and axle joints (and the engine is placed differently).
@WarrenSal11 років тому
They are sure design not to fail, a lot of strength design into it
@pinzgauernorcal13 років тому
Thanks again Guys !!!!
@JavierVazquez-lp4bm3 роки тому
saludos desde Venezuela buen vídeo felicitaciones una pregunta espero me ayudes estoy trabajando en uno de esto arme una trasmicion delantera pero la monte y no acopla completa le falta x entrar como 1 ctm xq no entra
@SledgeFoot7 років тому
Aren't you moving the driveshaft in the wrong direction? The engine would move the shaft clockwise, looking from the front, which would turn the half-shafts what would appear to be in reverse, but because the Pinz has portal axles, the direction would be reversed by the larger bull gear in the bottom of the portal axle, providing forward motion. Correct? Otherwise, good vid.
@SteveKluver7 років тому
Thank you for this amazing Video! I came to it while studying Tatra Trucks, but the title here says "Pinzgauer." Are they related? Do, or did, Tatra Trucks use the same axle manufacture as Pinzgauer? My research, so far, shows me that Pinzgauer and Tatra are a line of Trucks, and not necessarily the drivelines manufacture. A second question, in my head, after watching this video, is to learn more on just how the independent axle travel was limited. When either the Truck leaves the ground (Think Dakar Rally), or by bottoming out, say when the Truck is overloaded on rough terrain. I did hear that pins of some sort, in the upper axle house facilitated the limit, but I would sure love to see how that is being done. Also, I will try to go and look now, to see if I can find the History of this "Pinzgauer" drive system, in the Dakar Rally.
@Thomaszarofka7 років тому
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Ledwinka
@SteveKluver7 років тому
Thank you for that link Thomas. I have read that before though, and even a second time. I still cannot glean exactly who is building this driveline. Are you saying that this video also has Tatra parts? Or could it be now called Steyr-Daimler-Puch? What does the data tag read on this Pinzgauer Driveline I wonder?
@captainwin63337 років тому
Tatra builds it's own drive line and there's plenty videos on UKposts showing this. Hans Ladwinka designed this system when at Tatra in the 1920's and his son did a similar design for Steyr-Puch (who make Pnzgauer) in the 1960's. So the link between the companies is father and son and nothing else. Tatra build their own vehicles including the driveline and Steyr-Puch built theirs although BAE Systems Inc. bought the rights to Pinzgauer in 2000 and built them in England from then onwards.
@SteveKluver7 років тому
Captain Win - Thank you very much for those pieces to the puzzle! Now that makes perfect sense. I have seen some "Tatra built" wording in several videos here, but no "Tatra building" these drive lines. I will narrow my searching a bit more, and do my best to come up with some of those. Most people don't know, or dig in deep enough to find the differences. Licensing deals could be playing a role, behind the scenes for example, in some manufacturing/assembly lines, and we wouldn't know it, until we look for those answers. I am wanting to know the entire history. Again, thank you very much for taking the time to reply with that information.
@forestalfrank10747 років тому
The son Erich Ledwinka also worked some time for Tatra and took the concept to SDP. They even got sued for it. You will also like the Haflinger which is built the same way but smaller.
@nickjovanovic52586 років тому
Wow, this just blew my mind
@huijiezhang93097 років тому
thanks you very much! that's i need !
@clodbusta12 років тому
awesome video man!!!
@gmech33062 роки тому
Is there any adjustments for off- centered crown wheel of front axle differential? There is an hard pressed bearing sound in slow vehicle movements, noticable from drivers cabin. The sound vanishes once the vehicle pick ups speed above 40- 50 km/hr. We are rechecked and done all lubrication procedures for wheel , axle and steering. On removal of rubber protective oil cover from both sides of differential and checking crown wheel movement, it is noticed the slightly off-centered movement of the wheel in respect of the scraper plate. The clearance is more than 3mm at some point and vary to 0 mm clearance at some other point on right hand side. Slight off centered movement also exist in left side also. ( To clarify doubt we checked with another vehicle of same model and and found perfect rotation of the crown wheel). We are facing this issue with Tatra 815 6x6 euro 3 right hand drive vehicle. Can u please guide to resolve the issue..
@user-tc9jm3cc9o6 років тому
блокировка мостов меж собой показана также делали на немецких магирусах только на одном мосту
@ILKOSTFU7 років тому
THANKS A LOT!!
@Skawagon10 років тому
Backbone tube nicely explained. It is interesting to compare both Porsche and Ledwinka continuing to develop same ideas as Tatra on other side of Iron curtain. Pinzgauer reminds me mostly of Tatra 805. They both look a bit nervous off-road, perhaps because of high center of gravity. Despite that, both are quite capable.
@altergreenhorn6 років тому
Wrong Porsche steal from Tatra it is fact but WW2 and cold war after masked this theft. After WW2 Tatra got small compensation from german for that but that's all.
@peglor6 років тому
Very interesting way to arrange a differential, especially because it means the wheels on the same 'axle' are not the same distance along the vehicle. What can't be seen here is that (As far as I can work out anyway) the input drive to the diff turns the shaft that the side pinions in the meshed set of 4 in the centre of the diff are attached to. This transfers drive to the front at back pinions in the meshed set of 4 to transfer drive to the half shafts going to the left and right wheels. The locking mechanism locks the input shaft (Which passes uninterrupted through the differential) to the rear pinion driving the crown wheel to the left half shaft. Looking at the way the drive shaft passes straight through the differential, I suspect this is why they're able to make 6x6 or 8x8 versions easily with the same building blocks. The downside is that wind-up in the shafts will be an issue where there's full traction on all wheels as all axles will be driven at the same speed, so maybe there's more to it, my knowledge of this driveline is limited to guesses from looking at the video here only.
@SweedSleds955 років тому
About 1/2" or so, it doesn't really matter.
@brianb-p65862 роки тому
True - the crown and pinion gears shown turn the drive 90 degrees and allow suspension movement, but they're not the differentials; the internals of the differentials are not shown.
@user-hq7rq7pt4g5 років тому
ขอบคุณมากครับ👍
@LCMNUNES19623 роки тому
ENGINERING MECHANICAL VERY GOOD INTELIGENCY
@mkgtr108 років тому
Never seen one in person, would like to see one do its thing off-road
@gmcevoy3 роки тому
Fascinating! I have read that the driveshafts are staggered by 30mm, due to the dual crownwheel setup. How does this translate on the ground? Are the portals slightly angled to compensate? I doubt that the wheels are staggered on the ground, as it would make the vehicle very near undrivable. Just in case you are wondering what the proper term is for "the witches hat", it is actually called the axle journal neck.
@brianb-p65862 роки тому
Some Renault car had staggered rear wheels (to allow the torsion bar springs to sit one in front of the other), and there was no effect on driveability.
@gmcevoy2 роки тому
@@brianb-p6586 Interesting! Can you remember which models had this setup? Thank you for your input. :-)
@brianb-p65862 роки тому
@@gmcevoy The one I remember is the first-generation Renault 5, which is the only Renault of it's vintage sold in any significant number here (in North America). The R 5 suspension came directly from the Renault 4, and was also used in the Renault 6, but apparently was not used in this form in larger or later models, or even the second generation 5. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_4#/media/File:Axle_-_Trailing_arm_41.gif en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_4#Suspension The specs in Wikipedia (for the Renault 4) show a 45 mm (2.8") difference between the sides.
@gmcevoy2 роки тому
@@brianb-p6586 Fascinating. Thank you!
@victorriceroni84553 роки тому
That is pretty slick.
@goforthz2810 років тому
so when the diff is not locked, Is the one shaft driven and the other totally free balling? is there any friction drive or anything else putting torque on the outside coaxial shaft when the locker is not engaged?
@SBT3006 років тому
The torque goes through the main shaft to the boxy thing visible in 2:22, which distributes it via the spider gears to both ring gears, so also unlocked both wheels are driven.
@intercept79653 роки тому
Sir. Could you please elaborate on the 3 control levers on the dashboard. Also does this particular model have a centre diff- Transfer case. And in the 6x6 variant, is there a lockable inter axle diff. Between the 2 rear axles.
@brianb-p65862 роки тому
One lever to engage drive to the front; the other two levers lock the front and rear differentials. No, there is no centre differential: it is a part-time system, in either rear-only drive or four wheel drive with front and rear speeds locked. No, the 6X6 has no interaxle-differential, or inter-axle disconnect: both rear axles are always driven, and always at the same speed. It's not good for paved surfaces.
@viktorkareno8370Рік тому
у татры полуоси не соосны? колеса потразному стоят?
@thefab4band7822 місяці тому
I'm replacing some small sections in the rear cargo area side panels. Does anyone know the thickness of the body sheets? 1974 710m
@MichaelChismToday8 років тому
awesome thanks!
@TheRowdyJ7 років тому
where do i get one of these? i want to make a 6 wheel, 6x6 off road buggy with irs/ifs and one of these in the middle
@ExpedImports7 років тому
If click on show more you will find our web store and you can email us. We do have used drivelines available for purchase and can ship both ground and freight.
@lefteris4262 роки тому
Does that mean that the wheels from the left side are a bit offset from the wheels of the other side because of the axel placement to give room for the second crown and pinion set up?? So the wheels of the one side are a little behind the wheels of the other side??
@soe_tvМісяць тому
yes, idk the exact measurement on this one, but on TATRAs the right side is about 55mm ahead
@valefur7212 років тому
In fact Hans Ledwinka designed the Tatra beautiful transmission and his son Erich designed the Pinzgauer transmission...
@Gkuljian3 роки тому
Ingenious!
@dartmoordave7 років тому
It doesn't matter where the design came from, these are awesome off road vehicles in 4x4 and 6x6 setup. The only downside is the complexity and hence the considerable in service maintenance required. Costs of major driveline failures are astronomic. Even the military wince at the operating costs.
@IITHara6 років тому
Dartmoor Dave Not really, Tatra Trucks are still in use after 40 years of working. There is actually nothing to broke in combination with air cooled Tatra engine. Maybe just pinzgauer is crap. Actually with this concept you can build unlimited number of axles truck (Tatra builds 16x16 trucks for rafinery Now) and the costs are getting lower than standard chassis with more and more axles.
@magorforever11 років тому
so again. this type of chassis is from Hans Ledwinka, the first use of this chassis was the Tatras, is not talking about the video talking here about the chassis, as my colleague has already said that it was Tatra later is not true, tatra was the first in the video for the Steyr but chassis design is from Hans and was used for the Tatras and later modified in Steyr, Steyr chassis that could be used on bigger trucks because it interfered with the patent Tatras,Tatra heavy truck steyr light truck
@elyasd49510 років тому
В старых журналах За рулём есть фото рамы. Конструкции привода.
@mychannel-rg3dw8 років тому
Thanks for explaining, amazing engineering. .but wouldn't want to work on that..very nice but would prefer unimog simplicity. .
@PraveenKumar-ok5od7 років тому
gadget
@blockstacker56143 роки тому
ah yes, Mercedes Benz. renowned worldwide for making vehicles that are simple and easy to repair.
@realvanman7 років тому
So, it looks like one rear wheel is further forward than the other??
@nagyandras88576 років тому
it is.
@brianb-p65862 роки тому
Same at the front.
@phalanx38034 роки тому
Any chance of a close-up look of the 6x6 system.
@brianb-p65862 роки тому
I the 6X6 there are two rear differentials/final drives, just connected with no inter-axle differential.
@chasebh893 роки тому
ive always wondered what would happen if the differential overextended itself and the two axle gears were to touch
@brianb-p65862 роки тому
Destruction. The pin mentioned in the video limit travel to prevent this, but probably wouldn't be strong enough. The suspension bump stops and droop straps prevent excessive travel.
@rearspeaker6364Рік тому
@@brianb-p6586 don't want to be the one to open the diff up to find out!!!
@mamroberts16393 роки тому
Thanks that was good
@yy61146 років тому
bellissimo video guida come al solito sono sempre i stranieri a fare il meglio...
@user-cf3qu5cd6e5 років тому
Качающиеся в корпусе редуктора полуоси интересно сделаны. Интересно какой у них ресурс, до того момента, как они потекут?
@user-jo4hq8ks8n3 роки тому
Раньше потекут бортовые редукторы. Если не уследить то умрут быстро. Хлопотно.
Except Tatra doesn't make a small version which is unfortunate.
@ahialevi23767 років тому
💪💪
@pinzgauernorcal13 років тому
nice!!
@mastain82273 роки тому
Top👍👍👍👍
@TheTatraplan5 років тому
This is an origin TATRA concept...
@jamesbradley169510 років тому
So the wheels on one side of the vehicle are misaligned with the wheels on the other side! So the vehicle swerves as you brake hard. Crazy!
@scallionboy86799 років тому
The half shaft crown wheels are driven off centre but the half shaft housings and tubes are in line out to the hubs and linkages. It's a great system. Never seen one so well split
@braulio71246 років тому
please what name of this differential, brand?
@ExpedImports6 років тому
Steyr Puch Pinzgauer
@steiner198811 років тому
it was invented in Graz, Austria
@enedenedubedene48114 роки тому
Super! TATRA lässt grüßen. Gleiches Prinzip der Differentiale u. Pendelachsen.
@desiretirompa60104 роки тому
Very powerful truck
@vojtechk.l77499 років тому
to je snad vynález tatry ne ?
@neurolog56213 роки тому
Ne. Je to vynález Hanse Ledwinky, rakouského konstruktéra, který pro Tatru pracoval a kterého komunisté věznili a z Československa vyštvali.
@DAVERSczech3 роки тому
@@neurolog5621 Ale pravdou je, že patent vlastnila a vlastní TATRA, proto tam musel použít mírné úpravy a nikdy nemohl postavit velký náklaďák. Na druhou stranu, jak se zdá, konečně mohl zakomponovat portály.
@sanchopanches32234 роки тому
дифференциал какой-то нифуя непонятный,но сцуко мощный ! 👍
@DakarBluesРік тому
Wasn't this ingenious system created by Tatra?
@codymoncrief21286 років тому
neat.
@user-tc9jm3cc9o6 років тому
на татре применено но калеса на татре по оси моста в разбежку
@WayneStcroix3 роки тому
Where can I get the whole drive line of this product
@brianb-p65862 роки тому
Buy a used Pinzgauer. The components are no longer is production.
@WayneStcroix10 місяців тому
@@brianb-p6586okay what this be the same system as the tatra drive system
@brianb-p658610 місяців тому
@WayneStcroix Tatra trucks and the Pinzgauer use the same design of driveline by Hans Ledwinka, but none of the components would be interchangeable - they would be different in size and details.
@NorthAfricantigers3 роки тому
Preferred system افضل نظام🌹♥👍
@madx39373 роки тому
+++ thanks a lot +++
@ladolan11 років тому
сальников сколько..замучаешься масло доливать
@weaverfever558 років тому
No RZR box
@nadejdajeanschmidt10159 років тому
If you did use a Tatra Chachi, with a Scania V8 Diesel engine, a M.A.N Gearbox, and Tatra's own Diffenrentiale, and a Daf stiringhouse, then you will have the strongest and the best Truck in the world..
@theq46028 років тому
I'd prefer an older two stroke Detroit Diesel.
@------country-boy-------3 роки тому
really smart people invented that.
@ahmedhashem19312 роки тому
ليش ماكو كاردن
@dipeshvisrolia97813 роки тому
I manufactur all gear like sipral beval etc
@neerajsharma81567 років тому
neeraj. mastee
@magorforever11 років тому
patented by Tatra
@levisalvini41103 роки тому
Correct! Designed by Hans Ledwinka.
@magorforever11 років тому
next time when someone inserts a comment and do not respond that it is someone else's invention, when the truth is that it's just a modification of something already used long ago, I wrote that this is just Tatra Kopřivnice concept, invented by Hans Ledwinka and used it in her first time, do not deny your right it's Steyr I just wrote that it was the original concept Tatra