Retro TT Vs Modern Superbike 2: Is Greg LeMond's Old Bike Faster?!
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Рік томуRecently we tested a retro time trial bike against a modern superbike, and rather unsurprisingly the superbike easily won. But what about a bike just a few years newer, a TT bike with the latest innovation, the tri bar? We borrowed one of Greg LeMond's retro TT bike to find out whether that bike can finally beat a modern superbike!
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@gcn Рік тому
Which of these bikes would you choose to ride?
@toddh4491 Рік тому
Love to ride Greg's amazing bike (he's a real American hero) but it would kill me.
@nukedathlonman Рік тому
I'd love to kick it old school style... I'd need to do some serious training though and even then I don't think I could bring any honor to the racing heritage given my vintage. :'(
@glennpettersson9002 Рік тому
Even though I'm married to a physio I think 🤔 the modern bike looks more survivable in the long term.
@Philobiblion Рік тому
Canyon. I rode the aero a couple of times back about '92 or '93 and narrowly escaped death. If you need to slow down in a hurry you're likely to soil yourself before you find the brakes.
@ianfurqueron5850 Рік тому
Definitely the modern bike. My current road bike is a mid 90's Colnago and I've reached the point where the 25c tires (largest that will fit and clear the chain stays and fork) are just brutal to ride on vs. the 32c tires on my "all road" bike. I do prefer the lower riding position of the Colnago, so at some point in 2023 I'll likely be shopping for a new, modern road bike.
@ayleyleynes6965 Рік тому
Greg lemond's bike... what a timeless beauty
@Cesar-cm4if Рік тому
Agreed! Something to also keep in mind while riding bikes are helmets. Most people wear cpsc helmets (which arent safe), when they should be actually wearing an nta helmet like xnito or bern
@ukaszzyka6279 Рік тому
In Polish aero bars are even called "lemondka", which translates roughly to "Lemond's" :D
@gcn Рік тому
Wow, we did not know that. Very cool!
@simondavis697 Рік тому
Proud to say that I was there on the final day of the 89 TdF and witnessed history in the making!
@richardstewart5499 Рік тому
Ditto! Our USAF Club out of Hahn Air Base (Rheinland-Plfalz) stayed in Versailles for that epic stage. The crowd gasped when LeMond came flying by after Delgado went by. Awesome day!
@garysladek9110 Рік тому
Also there, hitchhike from Munich, on the way to a buddies in Canterbury.
@gcn Рік тому
That must have been an amazing experience!
@simondavis697 Рік тому
@@gcn It was. I was sat aloft the Golden Joan of Arc statue (now cordoned off to the public on race day), just as the riders came out of the underpass. At the finish line, Greg’s mechanic allowed me to hold his TT bike above my head for photos! Sadly, you can rarely get that level of access these days.
@TheGotoGeek Рік тому
I had to watch it on The Wide World of Sports, but later that year I was in Paris and saw Fignon swaggering in Monmartre. I think the man was incapable of merely walking.
@RAWnikon2208 Рік тому
The friction between Si and Ollie in this video is the same as trying to ride a 32c tyre in a 90s road frame 😳
@gcn Рік тому
The battle to be the _aero-est_ GCN presenter!! 🤣
@darinbusse7591 Рік тому
The 7-Eleven team were experimenting with aero bars made by Profile for Speed. They were going to pull them out at the Tour de France in 1989 as their secret weapon. They ended up using them in the Tour de Trump that May because Dag Otto Lauritzen held a narrow lead going into the final time trial, and the 7-Eleven team were trying to take top team honors. Greg took notice of how fast the 7-Eleven team was in that TT. He practiced with them before the Tour. Look at photos of his TT bike in the prologue of 1989. The finish on the Cow horn bars is worn off a bit from the clamps of the TT bars. Greg used the TT bars in the 3 TT's in the tour (minus the prologue). They experimented with the length, and angle and armrests at each TT. Still, an amazing decision to go with the bars. The rest, as they say, is history.
@redrocker1055 Рік тому
Greg Lemond is criminally overlooked as one of the greatest ever. The man has the greatest comeback story in the history of the sport and if not for that freak accident and him being used and lied to by his team he'd easy have the most Tour de France victories. The man was an absolute animal.
@stevecooper7038 Рік тому
😂
@gcn Рік тому
Coming back from the accident alone was some achievement!
@colinricketts1415 Рік тому
Over looked by who? I think the fans and the riders of the time appreciate him and his legacy. His reputation took a hit from not buying in on what Armstrong was doing, so Trek tried to push him out to protect their main interests.
@martingiguere1202 Рік тому
He was also unfairly treated by the ENTIRE cycling community for daring saying Lance Armstrong was clearly doped when every sign pointed to it and kept to his word
@petyrkowalski9887 Рік тому
He was amazing
@colinricketts1415 Рік тому
that Lemond rear wheel sounds amazing, thats got to be worth 20watts just for sounding fast?
@FlatSpinMan Рік тому
Fairly sure that’s how it works, yeah.
@tflspitfire Рік тому
oh shit, ive been listening to music on my solo rides, so all the gains from my new aero wheels arent even there when i cant hear them??
@johan21mp Рік тому
I'd love to see a Modern TT bike vs Retro TT bike. Or maybe even a Classic Cinelli track racer versus the Lotus/Argon18 "Rocketships" of today. Could even add something like the Lotii of the 90's Just to see just how much faster bike tech has gotten, and how much slower riders would be
@maxw5229 Рік тому
That's probably not a thing the sponsors would like -.-
@ronm9357 Рік тому
The first pros to use tri-bars (aero TT bars) in a TT were the 7-Eleven pros in the _second_ and final TT of the 1989 Tour de Trump. Lemond took note and along with the 7-Eleven team used them two months later in the Tour de France. And I don't think it's true that Lemond was convinced to use the bars mid TDF. At the time, I remember watching an interview with him where he said he noticed the amateur racers -- while the 7-Eleven riders were the first _pros_ to use them, the amateurs in the TDT used them in the first TT of the TDT -- use them in the '89 Tour de Trump and saw the advantage they provided. He no doubt had been using the bars well before he used them in TDF two months later.
@chaptravels Рік тому
I agree with you ... I am fairly certain both Lemond and some of the 7-Eleven guys used the Scott aero bars in the earlier TT stage in the 1989 Tour.
@darinbusse7591 Рік тому
You are correct. The 7-Eleven team were experimenting with aero bars made by Profile for Speed. They were going to pull them out at the Tour de France in 1989 as their secret weapon. They ended up using them in the Tour de Trump that May because Dag Otto Lauritzen held a narrow lead going into the final time trial, and the 7-Eleven team were trying to take top team honors. Greg took notice of how fast the 7-Eleven team was in that TT. He practiced with them before the Tour. Look at photos of his TT bike in the prologue of 1989. The finish on the Cow horn bars is worn off a bit from the clamps of the TT bars. Greg used the TT bars in the 3 TT's in the tour (minus the prologue). They experimented with the length, and angle and armrests at each TT. Still, an amazing decision to go with the bars. The rest, as they say, is history.
@ronm9357 Рік тому
@@darinbusse7591 yeah, but the first to use tri-bars in a pro TT were US _amateurs_ . Kent Bostick used them to get on the podium on stage 7 of the '89 TDT. And Lemond credited the amateurs with opening his eyes to the aero advantage of tri-bars. I'm sure 7-Eleven using them in the TDT final TT helped, but I doubt he'd -- at least while racing -- credit his pro rivals with that revelation. 😅
@darinbusse7591 Рік тому
@@ronm9357 Good memory! I do remember that now that you mention it. Thank you for the reminder that Kent Bostick did use aero bars in the TT in the middle of the Tour de Trump.
@ronm9357 Рік тому
@@darinbusse7591 I had about 5 hours of that race on VHS -- footage from both NBC and ESPN. I watched and re-watched it _way_ more than I like to admit.
@billkallas1762 Рік тому
I just noticed something interesting to me. It looked like the front wheel on LeMond's bike was built with a 26" Campy Omega XL rim. I noticed that I still have a wheel built from a 700c version of that rim. I could tell from even 10 feet away. PS. When I started riding (in the early 80's), 38cm bars were the standard until somebody came along and said that wider bars would help you breathe better.
@andredegraaf1643 Рік тому
Yes I heard that too regarding the bar width. My 1994 Master originally came with wide bars because that was the philosophy when I got fitted. I had the shop change them to 38s because they just felt too weird to me. I also noticed zero benefits as far as being able to breathe better.
@pittapittae Рік тому
Oooooh, I can't wait for the Lotus!!!! Brilliant series, guys, hat off!!
@JTrillo Рік тому
Glad you did another one of these, I mentioned in your other video I recently picked up a early 2000's Quintana Roo for $120 so I'm really interested in where the crossover point is. It's crazy to think that I could potentially go faster on a $120 20 year old TT bike than a top end modern road bike. I think with shifting at the bars and a more modern geometry should do the tick. Looking forwards to future iterations of these!
@chrisridesbicycles Рік тому
What a treat to start off the weekend! Watching LeMond win the TT in '89 was one of the pivotal moments in my cycling life. I remember how the chat about this was all over school the next day. Everybody wanted to stick LeMondies on their bikes.
@gcn Рік тому
One of, if not, _the most_ iconic TdF stages of all time!
@derekhicks8250 Рік тому
His average speed for that tt was 54.4kph, which would be a very fast tt today! He also used the Aero bars in the first 2 tt's of the tour that year. The coke can shimming was done after stage 5 when they had slipped, so by the final stage they were dialed in.
@willfromfreeport Рік тому
Let's get GTN to give this a go with a modern TT bike vs retro TT bike. They're already comfortable in that position.
@DaveCM Рік тому
They are comfortable on TT bikes. Modern TT bikes and retro ones have different geometry.
@willfromfreeport Рік тому
@@DaveCM very true haha.
@richardedward123 Рік тому
10:40, love the 1989 metal music. Nice touch. Another excellent video. Camera crew and video production: well done! GCN should do some videos of the people behind the scenes. 💜
@RichardMigneron Рік тому
In '89, I was on the Champs Élysées watching Lemond win the Tour ! And I did have a pair of those Scott bars on my old road bike.
@glennpettersson9002 Рік тому
I have some Lamondies in my shed, I had no idea of the history. Perhaps a challenge for GCN Tech is to make the fastest time trial bike they can using 90's tech with modern thinking.
@Keifsanderson Рік тому
I understand the purity of pedal-powered shootouts, but seeing clearly how it can be difficult to remove power output as a variable, I would love to see a comparison in a wind tunnel, or with electric motors to lay down consistent and identical power.
@fsharp_com Рік тому
I had a pair of the Scott clip ons on my road bike back in the late 80s. Loved them!
@EMC2Scotia Рік тому
Is that accurate, the part of Boone Lennon convincing Lemond mid-race to use the bars? I had read he had noticed them at the Tour de Trump being used by 7-Eleven, and had kept them under wraps until the stage 5 TT, which he won to announce, as Liggett said at the time his ''return to the top flight of cycling''. He then used them in the next two TT's, as we all know to eventually win the Tour.
@abdul-kabiralegbe5660 Рік тому
Exactly. When the presenters essentially said he only used them on the final TT stage, that contradicted the many hours I'd spent watching footage from that tour.
@buster.keaton Рік тому
Excellent video. Having started road cycling in the 80s and having had Scott aero bars, I wouldn't have guessed that a modern road bike would've been just as fast as a retro time-trial bike. I'm glad for that, as Ollie's comments at 15:00 was the first thought that came to my mind!
@gcn Рік тому
Thanks Todd!
@bobfoster687 Рік тому
It’s not the bike, it’s the motor!!!
@FlatSpinMan Рік тому
Classic video. Loved the jokes, the banter, the amazing bike lend from that bike shop guy in the GCN+ video.
@derf9465 Рік тому
Had a shorter with a 650c front wheel and my knees would come up to my chest back in the late 90's. So fast.
@broersporco Рік тому
that cameraman influences all those times on such a measurement, the slipstream at those speeds is immense.
@karstenmeinders4844 Рік тому
That is a good remark. There is a lot of discussion in triathlon that the top athletes get these slip stream aero benefits from the lead motorcycle and media motorcycles.
@thomasball1933 Рік тому
GREAT EPISODE!!!! Great Music! Great Sound Design! Cheers mates!
@jellyfishsalad5926 Рік тому
Looks like a fair bit of drafting behind the GCN Moto going on there!
@ethangodridge6833 Рік тому
Great video guys and roll on the next part. A story I can remember LeMond saying before that TT. He said before it he saw Fignon already celebrating the tour win. LeMond said that gave him the extra drive to show his opponent to not be arrogant.
@lunam7249 Рік тому
Thx 4 the story
@marty197666 Рік тому
Greg used the TT bars in the first TT in 1989, Fignon actually had them on his bike before the final stage and took them off. The 7 Eleven team used them before Greg too! I remember Greg saying in 91/92 that testing had showed no difference between the tt bike and standard road bike with clip ons, so there are quite a few pictures of him tting on a normal bike!
@EMC2Scotia Рік тому
True, from 91 until on he pretty much used a road bike frame for TT's.
@ronm9357 Рік тому
And US amateurs used them at the '89 Tour de Trump _before_ the 7-Eleven pros.
@RichardMcLamore Рік тому
yup. hampsten had em on his bike . . .
@elmycyclesipswich2473 Рік тому
Funny you say that, ou are quite right. I also have an ADR Bottechia with the earlier Scott Bars, but it didn't quite fit the narrative. Maybe one for another film. Glad you enjoyed it though - Steve G 👍
@huffytoss Рік тому
LeMond's lowest drag numbers were 5.6 lbs at 30 mph on a standard road bike with hands as far inward on the Scott Drop-In handlebars. Most pro cyclists at the time with around 7 lbs of drag. He had less drag than most small cyclists tested in the wind tunnel.
@Dhungerf60 Рік тому
I love the sound of that disc wheel
@stingtail9787 14 днів тому
I remember going to college cycling shop in reno.They had lemonds bike from his first world championship. I was stunned it looked like a bike ace hardware would sell.Much respect to greg.
@swissride4k Рік тому
The Entire content is very nice, but the scene at 11:10 is delightful. I'm a permanent viewer of your channel. Thanks again for your Work for Us!
@crusherbmx Рік тому
I was just getting into road cycling in the early 90's so that aero bar position looks so iconic to me! Well actually I casually followed track and road cycling since 1983 so I saw major changes in bikes in a very short time.
@bikeyclown4669 Рік тому
Their comments about the gears reminds me of common gearing on bicycles (particularly racing bicycles) of that era. I like the way bicycles are geared now, and so do my knees. Bernard Hinault had knee problems during his career and was known to spin the pedals at about 90 rpm. Hinault's knee issues may have had their origins someplace else, but I can't help but wonder, if the large gears he pushed didn't at least exacerbate an already existing problem.
@jason200912 Рік тому
The only time you get knee problems are if you set the seat too low or at medium height
@HkFinn83 Місяць тому
@@jason200912agree, it’s repetitive strain that’s the issue with cycling, if that’s an issue at all. The difference between a big gear and a small gear on a bike just isn’t enough to be a likely injury cause.
@ceftx2375 Рік тому
Thanks for another great video. I channel my inner Greg LaMond frequently! 😉
@cb6866 Рік тому
Thanks Ollie , Si and crew......
@secretagent86 Рік тому
well done gents. to me this is the best video GCN has done. I was a junior TT racer in the 1970s. Aero was "bend down" lol. the history tidbits about the last minute fitting and never used before was mind blowing!!! one thing i would LOVE to learn more about is ... Lemond had the fastest TT in the TDF until Ganna beat it on a short TT. More recently Wout Van Aert...Van Aert crossed the finish line with a blistering average speed of 50.9 kph. The 41.7-kilometer stage from Lacapelle-Marival to Rocamadour was the longest individual time trial since 2014. but lemond...LeMond finished with a time of 26:57 minutes, the fastest-ever time trial in the history of the Tour, at 54.545 km/h (33.893 mph). As LeMond collapsed on the floor from exhaustion, Fignon made his way to the finish. a detailed analysis of the difference, estimated power outputs. how is it possible that Lemond's TT has stood the test of time??? I understand his VO2 max was 92.5 (super high but not an athletic record). no i DO NOT think LeMond was a drug cheater. just an amazing rider. but throw in a mix of LeMond, Merckx, Armstrong (yes yes I know, but still amazing athlete...but i do NOT respect his lies), and now Dan Bingham.... now that would be incredibly interesting. 49.431 km In 1972, Eddy Merckx set a new hour record at 49.431 km (30.715 mi) in Mexico City at an altitude of 2,300 m (7,500 ft) where he proclaimed it to have been "the hardest ride I have ever done". will LOVE seeing the Lotus superbike. HUGE THANK YOU TO THE BIKE OWNER
@billkallas1762 Рік тому
Wasn't LeMond's TT slightly downhill, or flat, all the way?
@gcn Рік тому
Thanks so much! 👍
@the.dove.effect Рік тому
Completely unfair competition. You guys left the water bottle on the Greg LeMond bike! Haha. Great video.
@markn4526 10 місяців тому
Really cool video! I'm a huge Greg LeMond fan and he will always be my all time favorite professional cyclist. The differences in times surprises me a bit due to the distinct advantage that an aerodynamic position can make. You guys sited a couple determining factors though, such as the importance of training on the specific bike you'll be using in competition and the sizing/positioning adjustments. Another related factor is that Greg LeMond was/is known for using a longer than typical crankarm length which you can obviously see on his bike compared to the Canyon. This could account for both of you feeling "it" more in your hips and the feeling that your knees were coming into your abdomen. I would really love to own Greg's old bike!
@darrendunn54 Рік тому
Thank you so much for this massive LeMond fan and I was 21 in 1989, have to agree with others though guys…I’ve raced a lot and still ride with modern tubeless, those old Vittorias are NOT as fast by quite a bit but really wouldn’t want to still be kneeing myself in the chin to go fast so some things are much better 😂
@steveherring8494 Рік тому
hi ollie, i have a tt bike mvery similar to lamont's bike. it was custom built for me and ive ridden it twenty miles a couple of times. at the end i'm in so much pain i can barely walk. it a beautiful bike, it has a pink floyd dark side of the moon paint job on it. its got a campagnello record group set. ive got the bill horn bars but not on it. it has mavic open pro cd wheels. it's pretty fast. if you ever come to arizona you have to see it. it was custom made by one of your country men. the last time i road it i almost couldn't get off it.
@swordmonkey6635 3 місяці тому
I saw Greg LeMond race a criterium during the Coors Classic (Race Across America) back in 86, right after he won his first TDF. He was a freaking rockstar back then. He was nice as hell, but swamped by crowds looking for an autograph or a pat on the back. He was very nice and patient and a great ambassador for the sport.
@murtheblur33 Рік тому
Great video! Would love to see a retro TT bike vs a modern, entry-level enthusiast road bike to see how much the tech has trickled down.
@gcn Рік тому
That would be interesting to see!
@helolumpy Рік тому
Hey @GCN, I have a request for a video. How about you take an older (late 90’s-early 2000’s) frame and check the aero. Then start swapping out modern parts. What do deep section carbon wheels get you? Going to electronic shifting and hiding cables? Etc. Let’s see how much you can improve an older frame with some more modern components. Comparing a new aero frame to an older bike is obvious. But how much will upgrading components on an older frame get you? For those who can’t afford a new bike want to upgrade their beloved frame, how much can you improve it? Turn Ollie loose on this one!!
@teverde Рік тому
In the 90's Pinarello did a lot of weird time trial bikes like the Espada for Indurain. Maybe you could try one of those models from the 90's that Ulrich used.
@trinerd Рік тому
Ahhhh much better comparison. Good stuff.
@benlisle7623 7 місяців тому
Rewatching this while ordering retro parts for my Roberts lo pro frameset.
@The1trueDave Рік тому
12:11 "Channel 90s American rock!" *hums 'The Chain' by Fleetwood Mac from 1977* :-)
@alanmckellar908 Рік тому
Waiting on the Lotus! Thanks for doing these - fun!!
@petyrkowalski9887 Рік тому
It would be a great GCN challenge to see how you got on with Graeme Obrees “chest on bars” old faithful home made bike that he broke the hour record on. See how far you guys could get in 1 hour.
@polbiesmans3537 Рік тому
It was actually the Belgian sports director, José de Cauwer who introduced him to it, and mate it possible for LeMond to ride with them in the final stage!
@bobfoster687 Рік тому
Actually “invented” by American Boone Lennon,
@richardhall4830 Рік тому
That's the 1990 machine, lemond rode his 89 tt on a bottecchia. in 1991 he wasn't on a low profile machine at the tour. He's also trained extensively on the bars prior to the 89 tour, he used them in the first long TT and mountain TT but not the prologue. 7 elevan had been using the bars in the tour of Italy.
@lmc333 Рік тому
The music when Ollie was riding the AeRoad was superb
@boriss.861 Рік тому
Graham Obree's Superman Bars of 1993... 40th Anniversary of the Obree Boardman year of glory! and the UCI BCF last minute rule changes....
@kevinking7673 Рік тому
I believe Lemond had used his aero bike in one of the earlier time trials in that Tour. I am not sure if that was the first time he was in that position. Love the video. Ollie you are a superstar.
@timoruimteaapje4384 17 днів тому
Lemond had used the bars before that final tt. He rode the prologue without them but did use them to crush the competition in the wet 73km individual TT (stage 5). And he wasn't the first rider to use them either: Andy Hampsten used them in that same ITT and started earlier.
@craigmuranaka8016 Рік тому
Great segment but pretty sure team 7-11 the entire team used them first. Greg also used the bars on the mountain time trial in the middle of the tour that year
@georgeshaw6207 11 місяців тому
Really enjoyed this video. Well done guys. My preference is always vintage bikes but then I’m a golden oldie. Try one with cow-horns next that should be interesting. George
@JJuarezMAgsMx Рік тому
excellent video . Just one question, was the test carried out with a Ribble or a Canyon? because Canyon appears in the results, greetings from Aguascalientes, México
@leeevans38 Рік тому
I love watching GCN but lately I’ve starting experimenting with watching GTN…..I think I’m Tri curious 😂
@mattburdock1734 Рік тому
It's just a phase 😉 it looks great with all the toys and fancy outfits but I bet the chafing is worse 😂
@belperflyer7419 Рік тому
I seem to recall they were called tri-bars at the time Lemond won the Tour. I had a cheap pair which (being nervous) I bolted on to my trike's handlebars to test out but never put them on what I jokingly called my TT bike (an old Mercian with a pair of sprint wheels I'd built). A friend of mine had them on his Mercian when he won the national 24hr TT in 1991 but really used them mostly as a different position - he freewheeled once his computer registered 25 mph to save energy. I was quite amused at Simon's horror at having non-indexed down tube shifters. At least with only 5 (or sometimes 6) sprockets I always knew what gear I was in from the angle of the lever :)
@kakarot2430 Рік тому
This is the first time I heard whop2 whop sound of a disc wheel. and it came out of a background sound, making it more impressive.
@marcusteves1916 Рік тому
You must try adding some modern parts on classic time trial
@alleborgo5481 Рік тому
Greg Lemond's ALL LIFE LONG!!!! Simply amazing. Stunning. Beautiful!!! Vintage rulez!!!
@AndreiNeacsu Рік тому
Would you kindly make a video where you put that Canyon bike from this video up against the old aluminium Cervelo Soloist 2002, of 20 years ago (but looked the same up to at least 2009) upgraded with as close components (limited to rim brakes) and as similar as possible wheels? It would make for a nice demonstration of aero gains on normal (non-TT) road bikes, as well as the superiority of carbon fiber frames over the span of two decades of innovation and major technology breakthroughs.
@thomasmarktooms Рік тому
The poosition might've been extreme, but did look so cool. Anyhow, if you're going to try the Lotus, why not Obree's 'old faithful', that might test suppleness
@jigglypuff4227 Рік тому
Thanks for doing this and next please the forbidden TT bike from the past :)!
@malcolmgraham9462 Рік тому
Nice idea with the Boardman LOTUS, but you probably need to train into the position to make it relevant. Great videos. :)
@supakidgalaxy Рік тому
“Shonky mafs” possibly my favorite GCN moment
@jw9609 Рік тому
In 89 Tour Lemond refrained from using them in the prologue but used for wet 50tt from Dinard to Rennes as did Yates n Hampsten. That was not Greg's bike either as his tubes were Columbus Air and Ego aero shaped on his tour tt bike. His disc was Mavic too not a Wolber.
@gunteris1144 Рік тому
I noticed that Lemond's bike was riden with red botle by both riders. But new aero bike was riden without any botle at all. I think this experiment should be redone just because of that.. Nice video anyway, enjoyed watching it.
@mxkstfmk Рік тому
@gcn I think a cool thing might be to see what level of bike matches GL's old time trial bike ie, would a fairly middle of the road Trek Emonda SL6 (or comparable) match up to that bike? What price point bike would match it? It would be cool to showcase how far even non-mega expensive aero bikes have come along.
@yellowquantum4240 Рік тому
Greg Lemond a legend for sure!! Old bikes from that era is like a rock hammer compare to the latest satellite in space. Evolution is real !!!
@Clint_the_Audio-Photo_Guy Рік тому
Lucky bastards got to ride a Lemond TT bike. But this must have been from 1990 or '91, because he wasn't on team Z in '89, and those are the Gen II Scott bars that came out in '90. (I had a pair until my bike got stolen back then) In '89 his bike frame was badged Bottecchia with team ADR. Incidentally, I have a picture signed by Greg to me of him on the bike he rode on that famous TT ride. Love the old C - Record groupo though, and the bike looks awesome. I think he had Mavic components on the '89 TT bike.
@abdul-kabiralegbe5660 Рік тому
LeMond used aero bars in the '89 TdF before the final TT. At least on the TT stage that got him his first yellow jersey after the shooting accident.
@paulrobinson4987 Рік тому
You also need to get the body used to the position, this helps, they are better on longer distances like minimum 20km , and with out the water bottle.
@DrGKickAss Рік тому
thumbs up to Oli for recognising the training and human factors bias in the comparison. Impressive
@matthewbaynham6286 Рік тому
How much of an aero penalty on Lemonds bike, was that water bottle?
@funk1966 Рік тому
I still have a pair of those Scott bars lying around somewhere in my shed.
@billkallas1762 Рік тому
I do too.
@garysladek9110 Рік тому
Having been on the Champs, for the final stage in '89, I knew right off that's not the bike from '89. It was subtle, but near the end they did say it's Lemonds bike from '91. Enjoyed that guy's, cheers.
@johnwestwell2241 Рік тому
The bike GCN rode was in 'Z' colours. From memory, Lemond was riding Bottechia-branded bikes in the '89 Tour.
@justinbrown6558 Рік тому
@@johnwestwell2241 yes. He was riding for ADR IN 89. It was a Belgian team with a small-ish budget, because most-if not all of the big team directors at the time said that LeMond was finished. His last big team before his ‘89 win was the Dutch PDM team in 88. But in the end they wrote him off too, by the time ‘89 came round the contracts were scarce… I was 15 at the time, and LeMond was my hero too. Ever since he won in 86 against Hinault (it was the first time the Tour was televised on British tv) I’ve followed him.
@hedleykerr3564 Рік тому
Curious the crank length on Lemond's TT bike? 177.5 maybe
@bengtwahlstedt1021 Рік тому
Greg Lemond used a Bottecchia with Mavic components in that 1989 time trail !!!
@gerhardw.933 Рік тому
Hearing the summary it is clear that the 'old' aerobike did not fit - Ollie mentioned the hip angle and the knees hitting his chest. Right from the start both last precious time because of the gearing of the old bike. The time difference clearly shows that Simon as an ex-pro just concentrated on the ride and time while the doctor was distacted with aero calculations. I believe there is more potential in the old bike with shorter crankarms, modern wheels with updated tires & latex inner tubes, higher but narrower aerobars etc. Keep up the interesting work!
@kylestewart4444 Рік тому
Those Aeroads are so awesome
@davehause8571 Рік тому
@14:10 actually, LeMond first used the aerobars to win 1989's TdF Stage 5 ITT.
@jonathanzappala Рік тому
Now the “ski bend” name makes total sense. I always thought it was just because it was shaped like a ski.
@brianrichardson5310 Рік тому
So wotcha got for tyres on the Lemond? Retro tyres? How do they compare for rolling resistance?
@melaniamonicacraciun9900 Рік тому
Long live cycling lovers world wide & never stop believe in guys, fans are always here to backup you ok? Pushing pedals is the best time of our lives indeed
@PePratiMTBRoma Рік тому
Holy God:) great video:)
@wiggostheone5424 Рік тому
Great video but I think Greg used them earlier in the 89 Tour as well?
@apm9507 Рік тому
I don't follow road racing, but anything with the USA's 2nd Greatest Cyclist (Greg Lemond) is worth watching. I enjoyed his biography. The USA's Greatest Cyclist was Major Taylor.
@treygray2817 Рік тому
Arguable. GT winners generally receive more acclaim than sprinters.
@gcn Рік тому
Two absolute legends of cycling!
@colindewolfe3647 7 місяців тому
Of note, is that that bike might be a Greg Lemond with C record, the bike Greg actually rode in the 1989 TdF was (branded as?) a Bottecchia.
@OlegsKop Рік тому
Test Ribble vs Canyon would be very interesting.
@patrickmarcoux8661 Рік тому
Bday for me yesterday and they're rubbing salt in my aging process wounds: a mention of when SIS came into being. That was a great moment, but I must (because my Bday was yesterday) gloat that I could adjust both derailleurs with just the right hand when chain angle was low.
@stevemawer848 Рік тому
Nobody used their left hand on those downtube levers! Well, I never did.
@richcrompton6891 Рік тому
Awesome video! Time to unleash the Lotus!!
@vidyapremkumar3851 Рік тому
Fignon had been battling with saddle sores, which were said to have caused him so much pain that he was unable to sleep the night before the time trial. they had to cut part of the saddle to make it ok enough for him to sit. i think people often forget that and talk about the tt bars. but i suspect that if you can't sit comfortably , it would be extremely hard to ride a bike, let alone fast ( and even though he lost it by 50 seconds he was still fast )
@treygray2817 Рік тому
If Fignon had shaved his head he might have won due to reduced drag.
@stevenmeyer9674 Рік тому
He had the second fastest time, only Lemond's ride was faster. I doubt very much that Fignon's saddle sores had much of an effect on his tide.
@stevemawer848 Рік тому
I thought Fignon lost by 8 seconds - Lemond was 50 seconds behind on GC at the start of the TT. Shame everyone remembers Fignon as the man who lost the Tour by 8 seconds, not the man who won the Tour twice!
@justinbrown6558 Рік тому
@@stevenmeyer9674 Thierry Marie came second, Fignon was third fastest.
@stevenmeyer9674 Рік тому
@@justinbrown6558 Sorry my mistake. My point was that it was unlikely his saddle sores had much to do with his performance. His double disc wheel and not wearing a helmet probably had a bigger impact.
@vasiliipopov416 Рік тому
Huge thumbs up for soundtrack in this video
@gcn Рік тому
Thanks Vasilii!
@SonnyDarvishzadeh Рік тому
What were the crank arm lengths of both bikes?
@MultiKs22 Рік тому
Greg Lemond bike is so class and vintage now today I 2022, as it was in 1989. I loved this video well done to Simon and matt for producing another wonderful show. yes, I remember the day well in 1989 when Greg came back and beat Lauren fignon to win the tour to France. Greg lemond was a world class. cyclist as well as fignon
@billkallas1762 Рік тому
The last time a steel bike won the TDF was in 1994. I looked but couldn't find what year was the last that a team "used" steel bikes in the tour.
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