RTX 3050 6GB Is Shameful, Are 6-Core CPUs Done For Gaming? February Q&A [Part 2]
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00:00 - Welcome to Hardware Unboxed
00:30 - Ad Spot
01:09 - Is APO nearly a relevant feature?
04:55 - What do we think about the “new” RTX 3050 6GB?
10:15 - RTX 5000 Series another Lovelace situation?
13:29 - How much cheaper should ARC be compared to Radeon?
19:11 - Is there a place for 6 core gaming in the mid range segment?
23:24 - How is the industry affecting us personally?
30:30 - Is 12th Gen Intel worthless now despite a good deal?
RTX 3050 6GB Is Shameful, 6-core CPUs Are Done For Gaming? February Q&A [Part 2]
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@yeuros6280 2 місяці тому
NVIDIA basically being like "Stop being poor or we'll scam you" is wild 🤣😭
@herbertwalter8693 2 місяці тому
the more you buy the more you save
@YataLocK 2 місяці тому
You'll buy it anyways though like a good little customer
@blakedmc1989RaveHD 2 місяці тому
or they're just targeting Workstation and Streamers with a dedicated streaming PC lol
@ajax2.087 2 місяці тому
It just should make us go for Intel and AMD. My next GPU wont be Nvidia as I am not impressed with the value of their low to mid tier products
@zhila5958 2 місяці тому
People will keep buying them. I guess people get what they deserve. The same reason people buy VW, Chevy and FCA garbage
@KimBoKastekniv47 2 місяці тому
The normal 3050 was already awful, being slower than a 2060, essentially a "2050" in the hierarchy.
@patlotpotlot6154 2 місяці тому
Nvidia is too stingy to even name it rtx 2050, but the general consensus still believed it should be named as such
@raresmacovei8382 2 місяці тому
The fact 2060 is some 33% faster than 3050 8 GB is hilarious
@GewelReal 2 місяці тому
@@raresmacovei8382it is faster, but not 33% faster
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat 2 місяці тому
@@raresmacovei8382 33% ? wth is your source ?
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat 2 місяці тому
True but 1650 wasn't faster than 1060 and 1050 2gb wasn't faster than 960 either. The real problem with 3050 was price. Should've launched for 180$ or something. Even today, 3060 at 250-260$ is much better value than 3050 at 200$
@user-xn2md1em7o 2 місяці тому
no power pin : awesome fps : ok the price : oh shit
@tyre1337 2 місяці тому
the name: oh cool it just has 2gb less vram (oops that's not all)
@arenzricodexd4409 2 місяці тому
You probably will never going to see any gpu being launch with price lower than $150 anymore. Later on it will get discounts or deals to make it cheaper but at launch no AIB want GPU cheaper than $150. Also in used market some 1650 are being sold at $170-$180 so this segment does have it's own niche that some people willing to pay high price for it.
@guily6669 2 місяці тому
@@arenzricodexd4409 And probably soon AMD will likely have better APU's with even better GPU performance, making all that low end pointless garbage that you still have to pay a crazy price 🤣 ps: I personally wouldn't want one not even for 50€... Just wished was that RTX4070 was like 400€ and not close to 1 full month of salary here for a GPU that is way down the line with 4070 TI, super, 4080 and all it's variants and then 4090 all on top and likely even 4090 Turbo, Supercharged, intercooled running at 100% nitromethanol anytime soon🖕😁
@arenzricodexd4409 2 місяці тому
@@guily6669 APU will not going to beat 75w gpu. Right now those 780M inside 8700G at best at 1650 level depending on situation. For games that are more sensitive to bandwidth 780M will fall behind. And 8700G are built on TSMC 4nm while 1650 is on 12nmFFN which is a node from 16nm generation. 3050 6GB is just nvidia milking the market. 4060 already at 115w similar to current 3050 8GB. with furthur tweak those AD107 can be made to use 75w with performance of similar to RX6600 or RTX3060. If nvidia want to go all out 3060ti-3070 level of performance already possible within 75w like they had done with A4000 Ada. Nvidia just milking the market slowly rather than going all out at once.
@guily6669 2 місяці тому
@@arenzricodexd4409 I'm not saying it's their current latest Ryzen 8000 APU's but more like upcoming ones soon in like Next gen or the next one, who knows... And if we had GDDR6 available for the GPU inside the APU at like a 256bit bus, AMD would have already have smoked those low end cards pretty fast since the 8+Tflops RDNA3 based on like the 7840U would already likely have smoked them, they are just severly constrained by the use of LPDDR5 not to mention if they were brought to desktop with OC support maybe they could OC like crazy. What I mean is basically that the 8+Tflops will never, EVER have the real world performance of it's true RDNA 8+Tflops until it can be unleashed with the use of GDDR6. ps: I really wonder why don't AMD try to make them for laptops with support for GDDR6 in a way that the RAM could be shared between the CPU and GPU cores while having at least like 6,8 and 12GB of fast GDDR6 available exclusively to the GPU depending on the laptop tier so the higher end having 12GB the mid one 8 and the cheapest one 6... And this same philosopy could be made into small desktop motherboard forms like mini-ITX with it's own soldered GDDR6 just like any laptop with AMD/Nvidia GPU + APU have...
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat 2 місяці тому
3050 6 GB is a bigger scam than 3060 8 gb or 1030 ddr4 or even 4080 12 GB.
@Frozoken 2 місяці тому
not 4080 12gb let's not get carried away lmao
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat 2 місяці тому
@@Frozoken Did I go too far ? 😂
@lilpain1997 2 місяці тому
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombatyeah 4080 12gb is far worse imo lol. Although your list is spot on otherwise
@samuelrodgers2742 2 місяці тому
The RTX 4080 12GB was worse because of the $899 MSRP and it using AD104 while the RTX 4080 16GB used AD103. It was so bad that even Nvidia was bullied into reversing it
@aladdin8623 2 місяці тому
The situation is really bad for new pc builders. But even worse is that all major gpu vendors don't really care about gamers. They make way more money with a.i. business products.
@cal2127 2 місяці тому
the requirements for games keep going up as the quality keeps dropping.
@FigsForYou 2 місяці тому
That my decade old 750ti has a 128-bit memory and this "new" 3050 has 92-bit, is frikin amazing. But i do like that its motherboard powered tho, but nothing else😒
@operator8014 2 місяці тому
The 750Ti is powered over the PCIe bridge too.
@MadIIMike 2 місяці тому
When testing the RT3040, please include some old Benchmarks you used for the 1060 6GB/RX 580 8GB. I know it's faster, but I think the margin could be smaller than one would expect.
@peterpan408 2 місяці тому
Once the memory blows out (and system bandwidth kicks in) (and maybe storage bandwidth kicks in), and the bandwidth becomes a bottleneck.. They all suck.
@MadIIMike 2 місяці тому
@@peterpan408 Sure, I'm merely trying to point out that cards you can likely find for 50$ in most countries might be reasonably close to this thing. Even people which wouldn't buy used normally might be tempted by such a large margin.
@arenzricodexd4409 2 місяці тому
@@MadIIMikeused RX580/GTX1060 should be avoided at this point.
@MadIIMike 2 місяці тому
@@arenzricodexd4409 Why?
@arenzricodexd4409 2 місяці тому
@@MadIIMike hardware defect due to aging. That still not counting if those card at some point end being abused in mining farm. Even if you want to go used hardware route it is better to look for newer generations.
@edue_mrb 2 місяці тому
Looking forward to Hardwood Unboxed
@juanford55 2 місяці тому
19:14 8 core cpus cheap?, i mean... If you wait until they are 1-2 generations old (like now the 5700X at 180€/$) maybe, but new they still cost over 300$.
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat 2 місяці тому
Yeah it's gonna be a while before 8 cores become more budget friendly.
@TheTastefulThickness 2 місяці тому
Not true. 12700k is $236 on amazon right now.
@juanford55 2 місяці тому
@@TheTastefulThickness 12700k is 2 generations old.
@TheTastefulThickness 2 місяці тому
@juanford55 14th gen isnt even a new generation. 12th gen is still a new chip. Just because some new silicon is pumped out every 6 months doesnt make it old.
@juanford55 2 місяці тому
@@TheTastefulThickness im not saying is old, 12th gen still performs good nowdays, but it is not the latest thats what i mean with my comment, Latest AMD/intel cpu still cost +300 or even +400$, so 8 core chips still not budget unless you go to previous or older gen.
@SteelGrayRider 2 місяці тому
The podcast has been great. Really enjoy that!
@mukkah 2 місяці тому
23:25 Fwiw, us viewers who are here appreciate the good vibes and HELLA tight consumer info the channel continuously provides. Top of that, really appreciate the dialogue / conversation and just damn human aspect of the content. Much respect, bruvs. ~a random canadian viewer
@NostradAlex 2 місяці тому
Wasn't this uploaded already a couple of days ago?
@iamspencerx 2 місяці тому
sus
@AlexHusTech 2 місяці тому
Yes, I watched it, then it got removed.
@lordpyron3934 2 місяці тому
There might have been a video issue that forced them to reupload.
@TangoMikeOscar 2 місяці тому
Glad I'm not the only one, got a serious amount of deja-vu at the beginning there.
@bilditup1 2 місяці тому
IMO the 3050 6GB review should have a section on low-profile/half-height SFF use cases. Previously the best consumer-facing low-profile card below $200 was the GTX 1650, and now, that card is rather difficult to find, at least new. Among workstation cards, the RTX A2000 is basically the equivalent of this, except a bit better, with a bigger die and more bandwidth, and while you could find that for $200-250 used in the past, it’s much harder now. (There’s also the A4000 Ada Generation, but that card costs as much as an RTX 4080 lol.) So if you are committed to low-profile, and don’t want to pay $330 for a 4060 LP or are limited to board power, this is going to be a relatively good option, even if they’re still greedy. I don’t think the A380 LP can compete with it (putting aside the risk of random Intel jank, which is better than it was, but still an issue depending on the game) and there are no AMD options that I’m aware of: the most recent consumer-facing LP cards being the RX550 or 560, now several generations old, and I’m not sure about what there is on the workstation side but I’d be surprised if better ones than the RX560 could be had for around the same price, either new or used. EDIT: Re AMD, I completely forgot about the RX6400, but that card could hardly compete with the GTX 1650-it ran cooler than that card, but of course was even more cut down in terms of bandwidth and lanes.
@ZERARCHIVE2023 2 місяці тому
Low profile, high power. That's what its all about when you see GT1030 being sold till this day for over 100 bucks
@HappyBeezerStudios 2 місяці тому
A low profile 3050 6GB test should also include the 8600G and 8700G APUs, they are basically perfect for that use case.
@no-barknoonan1335 Місяць тому
@@HappyBeezerStudiosThere's data online on that, the 8700 and 8600 are very impressive, but the 3050 6GB does outperform them. Mind you integrated graphics have moments where they start to really feel the stress. The 3050 6GB is a fine enough card, only real issue is the pricing. With that said, it's what the market more or less values it. Have you seen the price of GTX 1650/1050TI w/ no power connector? They're valued not much lower than this new card, I suspect that's why they priced it where they did. It's a bad card in a conventional PC build, but if you bought a good desktop for less than $100 and all it needs is a GPU, it suddenly becomes a lot more compelling. I managed to get an Acer prebuilt for $80 in near mint condition w/ a i5 10400, 12 GB ram, and 300W PSU. I put this card in it, suddenly it performs at or above a Series S for about the price of a Series S. Yet I retain the ability to add storage for much cheaper, I do not pay for online multiplayer, and I can use my existing steam library, as well as any input device I so please. This new card also has DLSS, it has RT but you will never use that feature. I am able to play Alan Wake 2 at a surprising performance, and I'm a happy camper. Do I wish it was $120 instead of $180? Absolutely, but it is what it is, strangely enough I suspect years from now this card will have retained it's value better than a lot of its contemporaries right now.
@daysofgrace2934 2 місяці тому
I bought a 5800X3D instead of getting 7600X because the new motherboards/DDR5 RAM all took money away from the GPU. Cutting back on this let me stretch to £740 for an RX6900XT Dec 22...I think it (5800X3D) will last me a number of GPU generations...
@mrsasshole 2 місяці тому
I did the EXACT same thing about 16 months ago when the 7000 series was all the rage. And I'm glad I did. The 5800x3d is still a great gaming cpu and I'm really happy with my rig. I'll skip the 7000 gen completely. Maybe upgrade when the zen 5 3d chips come out. I have zero desire/need to upgrade with the 5800x3d/rtx 4090 combo.
@rustler08 2 місяці тому
Well, except you seem to be forgetting that you can sell your AM4 stuff. But, the longer you wait the less it's worth. I got $350 for the motherboard, ram, and a 3700X when I sold it. Now it's probably worth $200-250. And the 5800X3D is also worth $100 less.
@mrsasshole 2 місяці тому
@@rustler08 Two things I don't have time for: -Aint got time to bleed. -Aint got time to be selling old PC parts. Have too many friends and family members that could use the hand-me-down.
@kucma2 2 місяці тому
Have you considered adding to the 3050 6GB video some very old cards for comparison like the gtx 900 or rx 400 series?
@sirjonsmithiii992 2 місяці тому
I went from the 1080ti to the 3080 10gb (got lucky and got it at msrp when it first came out) and just recently to the 4090. I will most likely skip the 50 series like I did with the 20 series (with all the craziness with scalping, increasing msrp, delayed releases, AI craze, etc, figured the $1800 for the 4090 was worth it just to be set for the next few years). I have also been playing 4k at 120 for years now.
@Jtretta 2 місяці тому
I'm gaming on a 6 core cpu, but my case is not indicative of more modern processors. I've had to keep my old 4930k a lot longer than I anticipated. It does play Elden Ring pretty well but is showing its age in the stutters that show up and it sitting at 50-60% usage on average.
@catsspat 2 місяці тому
I hate "same product name with different hardware" so much! The worst example was the GT 1030 DDR4 version vs. DDR5 version. I also don't like the different VRAM versions of similar products, like GTX 1060 with 3GB vs. 6GB. RTX 3050 with 8GB vs 6GB is even worse. In that sense, I actually don't mind AMD's RX 7600 vs RX 7600 XT, because XT version's 16GB VRAM is clearly differentiated.
@HappyBeezerStudios 2 місяці тому
Generally I' fine with different memory sizes. As long as they stay the same card otherwise. The 3 GB model of the 1060 was also cut down on the GPU. Look at the RX 480 and 580, they came with 4 GB and 8 GB but were otherwise completely identical. You paid more for more memory, but they were the same card. The 3 GB 1060 shouldn't have been a 1060 at all. Or the GTX 580, which came in 1.5 GB and 3 GB, but was otherwise identical. At least with the 4080 12 GB the backlash was so big that they renamed it 1070 Ti Usually they do it at the very low end, like the GT 730 with 3 models, some of which were slower than a GT 720, but incidentally those slow models were actually renamed GT 440 cards
@MLife1972 2 місяці тому
I have a different view and that maybe we shouldn't be expecting generational shifts every year. Maybe hardware is like mobile phones. Every year brought a new and exciting device and now they're just iterational improvements. But your point is well made about the games. I'm half way through collecting the pieces for my next build and I just realised 'for what?'... so I can see reflections in puddles and blades of grass in otherwise tedious games. I used to upgrade to play the next big thing 'Duke Nukem', 'Crysis', 'GTA V' 'Witcher 3'...what am I upgrading for in 2024?!
@jakacresnar5855 Місяць тому
I went through the same thought process a while ago. The last games that really got me excited enough to upgrade my PC were DOOM 2016, Monster Hunter: World, Far Cry 5 and Vermintide, and those came out in 2018. I can't think of a single recent game I can't run for which I'd be this excited. I thought Darktide might be it, but I hated the lack of content and predatory mtx. Baldur's Gate III I could probably swing on my 1080 Ti still. I always joke that I'm upgrading my PC for Elder Scrolls VI 😅
@bluezhift 2 місяці тому
Great QnA! Thanks for the warning on the 3050!
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat 2 місяці тому
6 core is the sweet spot of gaming. No, 6C/12T CPUs are not going anywhere.
@brownie43212 2 місяці тому
Not right now. 6 core CPUs like Zen3/4 and Intel 12th Gen+ are still good because they came out a while after the Zen2 based console was locked in. If you're buying a 6 core for really long term AAA gaming, it's dumb. Just get a 7700x/7800x3d and it will give you better longevity
@lharsay 2 місяці тому
@@brownie43212 I don't think the Ryzen 7 1800X, 2700X, 3700X, Core i9 9900K or the Core i7 10700K and 11700K really proved themselfs over time compared to their 6 core little brothers.
@brownie43212 2 місяці тому
@@lharsay 9900k is a pretty legendary CPU tbh. Especially if you OC and have a beefy water cooler. 5 and half years old and still keeps up pretty well if you're at 4k
@shavy9655 2 місяці тому
@@brownie43212wtf is this comment, to reccomend a 7700x or 7800x3d is like saying: "Just buy a Porsche", 90 percent of the gaming community doesn't need more than a 5600 to run their GPU since most people don't have a stronger GPU.
@stangamer1151 2 місяці тому
6c/12t CPUs will be relevant parts for gaming even in a few years, judging by how slow game engines increase their multicore functionality. People were saying that 1700x/9900K will become better gaming CPUs than 1600x/8700K. But even now, after 3-4 years nothing changed. 8c/16t CPU were and still are underutilized in 99% of games.
@fracturedlife1393 2 місяці тому
Does APO help where cache (kaysh?) doesn't? IE those games that live for clock speed. Was that B-Roll an ROG X670 before the IO fix??
@saricubra2867 2 місяці тому
Intel chips don't have problems with cache, core count, IPC, clockspeed and memory. They are extremely overkill, the problem is software optimization. An i9-14900K simply has too many cores and any game doesn't know what to do with a mini gaming threadripper.
@MrSherhi 2 місяці тому
8 cores cheap? Still +50% cost while giving only few % power increase. 7800x3d is maybe 40% faster and costs +100% compared to 7600x. 6 cores are still fine. Proof lies in 13/14600k, that 6 core is a beast.
@hankstorm3135 2 місяці тому
is this APO stuff any different than preventing a process to access e cores?
@BlackHoleForge 2 місяці тому
It would be helpful in the discussion of whether six core computers are still relevant, if you would actually list some programs that people use that can actually utilize multi-core enhancements.
@GameBacardi 2 місяці тому
...people run more than one program on background in operation system. Open taskmanager
@Davinmk 2 місяці тому
Well the question was about gaming, an right now you have a hard time suggesting an 8 or even 12 core cpu for gaming just because it has more cores
@liaminwales 2 місяці тому
I have maybe one or two games that even hit the CPU hard, so few games are well threaded 6C/12T is kind of all you need for games.
@sigmamale4147 2 місяці тому
What does that mean ? Pretty much every single game of the last decade is multithreaded more or less efficiently
@Frozoken 2 місяці тому
well there's no 12 cores that can actually use them all without penalties in gaming anyway lmao. Highest we got was the 10900k with 10, it's been 8 ever since on both sides.
@javier3108 2 місяці тому
Why did your 3050 6gb review get taken down/erased? I saw the notification but couldn't watch it at the moment. What happened?
@XXsupervisor 2 місяці тому
I use the i5-12400 and it is more than enough. People are greatly over spending on their CPU
@ZERARCHIVE2023 2 місяці тому
tbh an I3 if you ain't playing modern games can be sufficient
@jurpo6 2 місяці тому
The 4 core i3-12100 is a testament to how little core count matters with better IPC
@tyre1337 2 місяці тому
exactly, it matches the 8 core 3700x in games
@DeepfriedBeans4492 2 місяці тому
Ehh, I have one and while in a perfect test bench environment it’s good but it’s not perfect when running new games with the kinds of background tasks most people have running to some extent.
@Woodzta 2 місяці тому
@@DeepfriedBeans4492 I have one in my HTPC and I think it's great. With AVX-512 enabled it handles RPCS3 with ease. Though if I had any reliance on background tasks then I might've pushed to a 12400.
@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe 2 місяці тому
we put one of those cpus inside my brothers gaming pc and he's had zero problems playing anything. it does get up there to the 90% usage range a lot especially in open world games but it doesn't harm anything. i've got an i5 13400f and think it's overkill for me.
@randomguydoes2901 2 місяці тому
indeed, well it's kinda out because it's easy to disturb but imagine only +2cores with everything more better, and some vcache, six cores won't be out no.
@bront_catherder 2 місяці тому
Regarding new content, I'd love to see some reviews of accessories. A mouse roundup or two could be interesting. And other fun accessories like stream decks/loup decks that have uses even for gamers or productivity.
@marcelfleischer3226 2 місяці тому
Keep up your great work guys. Even if the products are not that interesting, your videos are. And they are still helping a lot of ppl!
@Zzzxx2 2 місяці тому
Hey guys. I have a very interesting thing i would like you to test out. In CP2077 using DLSS quality at 1440p when you turn RT Reflections / Ray reconstruction on Aliasing becomes MUCH improved. When you turt RT / RR off aliasing looks terrible. What exactly is causing this, the denoising algorith maybe? Anyway just something cool i noticed in CP2077. Thanks if you guys read.
@PipBoykin 2 місяці тому
I wish nVidia would release a cheap 40xx card for HTPC use / AV1 encoding. Like a 4050 or 4040 with 4GB or so.
@rustler08 2 місяці тому
Just buy an Intel A750 or A770
@PipBoykin 2 місяці тому
@@rustler08 I currently have an Arc A380. I'm looking for an nVidia card next, just to play around with and compare.
@thetechrealist 2 місяці тому
Follow the money, the CEO Jenson has made it clear that he doesn’t give a shnit about cheap gamers. Intel & Amd are the only ones left who give just the smallest amount of a shnit to make budget cards. And even then, this 3050 6gb shnits all over Intel & Amd’s arc a380 & rx 6400
@johnvolt2411 Місяць тому
How practical is an amd 4 core apu with double the 780m CUs will it be a good option for budget / mini platform builds
@spaceforgames2798 2 місяці тому
If you're going to research more into APO, I'd love to see some comparisons with programs like Process Lasso which can also push applications towards the core that's best suited for them
@ZeroBlackfire 2 місяці тому
So as im sittin here, I pause the video to hit my guy up for some greenery, I look back up to see Steve staring back into the camera with silent disapproval. :D :p 13:07
@The_Noticer. 2 місяці тому
What I find the most perplexing his how noone seems to be talking about the terrible video games, that is more of a danger to the PC market than anything else. Look at the benchmark suite, how old are some of them and how many are still being played. Its a a handful of games each year that are worth looking at, less so that are genuinely great. Contrast that to 15 years ago when you have dozens of great AAA games being released each year. Why bother with 20-30% better value GPU's when all you play is indies and esports games for 95% of the time.
@mikehawk6918 2 місяці тому
The state of AAA video games is abysmal now. I think it's simply due to prohibitive costs, only a few companies can afford to make high budget games now, and they're pretty much all owned by corporations, so games are "designed" in board rooms by committee. This is why we have lootboxes, DLCs, microtransactions and woke propaganda as a requirement. The bright side is game development will become massively cheaper with AI in a few years, and we might go back to the golden age of gaming where small independent studios and single devs could create great games that are still classics to this day.
@GravityApproaching 2 місяці тому
we have lots of good games 2023 at pc bg3 , remnant2, lies of p , re4 remake, ac 6, like a dragon,sf6, mk1,etc but the only pushing to the limit games is alan wake 2 and pushing shitty port like jedi survivor, death space .....
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat 2 місяці тому
Sure but the thing is that smaller AA games like Alan Wake 2 also require a bit of a beefy GPU to enjoy. AAA games are in general starting to become very pale and boring and all but there are a bunch of hidden gems and imo upgrading solely to enjoy those is still kinda worth it.
@Roland_Deschain 2 місяці тому
@@mikehawk6918Players are the problem, their wallet voted. Accept the fact that times have moved. Were I dev, I would also sell zero effort ponies, lewd skins and half arsed money grab dlcs.
@whiteerdydude 2 місяці тому
@@mikehawk6918 "woke propaganda as a requirement"? I don't remember these AAA games having very many profound things to say lol. Did you mean like pretend woke propaganda where usually rich neocons or libs use buzz words or surface level concepts to generate the illusion of not being bigots and actually being aware of the suffering and exploitation of others around them on an empathetic level?
@bofast 2 місяці тому
Personally, I'm waiting for Steve's new "120mm AIOs Unboxed" channel 😄
@mukkah 2 місяці тому
31:04 fwiw I still run 12700H in my laptop, Turbo boost disabled to keep temps down and performance feels pretty snappy still in 2024 I don't do much rendering but always have multiple things running / multitasking and gaming.
@rustler08 2 місяці тому
That's nice, but they're talking about the desktop series. A 13600K is superior to a 12700k for most gaming, and same for the i7 vs i9
@mukkah 2 місяці тому
Considering mobile CPUs are less powerful than their desktop counter parts, the 13600k being "superior" to the 12700 (aye, marginally benchmarks show) and mine is holding up hella fine, my point stands as to the 12th gen being super-duper relevant ^_~ @@rustler08
@axescar 2 місяці тому
Thank you for Q&A! My thouths about questions - APO is good. Its more like GPU dfiver optimization. Sor if game list will be large enough it will be OK - 3050 6GB - as a product that consist of tech specs is OK, but naming (i think 3040 will be normy) and price is not ok for now. Its like Intel A380 and maybe upcoming AMD 7500xt 6GB. - todays prices for Intel Arc is OK IMHO, if I need some cheap GPU today Id like to take into account A380/580 - recent drivers updates is good and if Intel will go this path towards and will not stop, AMD will recieve nice competitor. - about 6 cores as you like to say "it depends" %) My game interests covered by 5800x3d+radeon 6700 10gb. I think to switch to AM5 with 7500F and I dont loose much (if even will be some). - 12th gen line up is interesting in case you want bclk overclocking. With boards like Asrock B760M Riptide you can overclock 12400 for example to match gaming performance of slightly higher value CPUs. And as I see newegg offers some interesting prices for 12700(k).
@themomaw 2 місяці тому
The "problem" with monitors is that they don't make your games unplayable when they get old. Old monitors are a little bit slower response time, maybe a little bit worse color, you can still play and enjoy your game, while CPU/GPU are *harshly obsolete* after a few years. Trying to play a game at 15FPS will ruin your entire experience in a way that adding a tiny bit of pixel blurring will not. Storage is hitting this same problem. PCIe Gen 5 SSDs? Why should I care? My Gen 3 drives still have plenty of life left and the difference between 2 seconds of load time and 3 seconds of load time isn't worth hundreds of dollars to upgrade.
@mlindstrom7242 2 місяці тому
An exciting power brick is the 180W from Framework. Highest-power USB-C charger available anywhere. Wish competitor gaming laptops did USB-C charging when under 240W too, but they don't.
@Snoozy96 2 місяці тому
How important do you think P&E-cores will be in the future? It there a good reason to remove hyperthreading entirely? Why don't they decide the have Hyperthreading PLUS the e and P cores in the intel design?
@haukionkannel 2 місяці тому
Most like threath allocation gets the more difficult, the more there are different ”cores” aka P E and both having also option to hyperthreading so 4 different options to allocate single threath
@AlainKapture 2 місяці тому
Kryosheet should become the standard for all hard serviceable items such as laptops and consoles 🙃
@Collin_J 2 місяці тому
I agree with the sentiment, and it's interesting to see those two areas being where liquid metal is becoming more popular so manufacturers can fully utilize the smallest possible heatsink.
@HappyBeezerStudios 2 місяці тому
That thing would be perfect for long bench runs. No more repasting after every CPU swap.
@JordanJ01 2 місяці тому
The two queens are back!
@whoeverthisguyis 2 місяці тому
im gonna say it, apo will be as important as dlss, that extra push to get stable 1% lows and closer to the higher refresh rates especially that it wont affect graphics at all and might give the win vs x3d cpus
@quafee 2 місяці тому
Please update your referral links to include the new Super cards
@ANTheWhizkid 2 місяці тому
If the only thing I need was a gaming machine. But I’m doing music too. DAW’s require one core per audio signaling path. Fighting latency is also a thing.
@ChrispyNut 2 місяці тому
Question / Topic point. Have you witnessed an improvement in game benchmarking capabilities over the years, are studios actively trying to assist reviewers in this regard and if not, could this be an area where FOSS [Free & Open Source Software] games could take advantage by working with reviewers to develop code which could be complimented by other FOSS projects to better help reviewers and thereby gain some much needed exposure (as they usually can't afford dev costs, let alone marketing). I've seen external tools come along (most recently the Intel doodad), but even simple canned benchmarks don't appear particularly common, let alone providing a wealth of easily parsed data output.
@cbz21 2 місяці тому
I still run a ryzen 5 3600 and it's running strong keeping up in games. I would love to upgrade but idk 300 bucks right now to just improve 20ish frames on avg. Just can't justify it yet.
@soumyosubhromukhopadhyay9727 2 місяці тому
Still good, I guess comparable to i5-10400/f, both being 6 core.
@Noir1234 2 місяці тому
I play often older games, so ARC is for me a no go sadly...
@HappyBeezerStudios 2 місяці тому
Same situation here, Arc is still not worth it for me. Basically all my games are DX9, DX11 or OpenGL, so Intel's cards just don't offer anything for me. They would need either a good performance increase or price improvement, optimally both. I don't care about raytracing, sub-native resolution rendering, etc. But the performance has to be there.
@NulJern 2 місяці тому
My old laptop had a 2060 6gb and performed pretty well at the time for what it was, but a discrete gpu for a desktop pc with 6gb in 2024 is crazy.
@dabombinablemi6188 2 місяці тому
6 core parts should be relevant for quite a long time in midrange builds. Though with how cheap high refresh screens are however it really depends on what screen someone has. Would have spent more on the CPU (currently Ryzen 5 5600) in my sisters build if I'd known that she'd be buying a 160Hz ultrawide.
@mesicek7 2 місяці тому
8:10 It's a niche product for SFF builders. Any chance you could do the review of the KalmX model which is fanless?
@mrbobgamingmemes9558 2 місяці тому
i am sure most sfff case can fit better gpu i mean most budget gpu is not that much bigger than this, it is rare to find itx case that wont fit dual fan gpu
@mesicek7 2 місяці тому
@@mrbobgamingmemes9558 I doubt you'd fit any other gpu in a 3.9l case. Also it's the only gpu that has a fanless model - KalmX
@mrbobgamingmemes9558 2 місяці тому
@@mesicek7 3,9l seems to damn small for custom pc, it is impossible to choose slighty bigger case that fit any other budget or low end gpu ? , also your case should mention gpu clearance in the spec sheet
@ralf2166 2 місяці тому
@@mesicek7 Isn't the KalmX a 2 slot gpu that's not even LP? If you can fit that, you can get a Palit 4060Ti StormX
@mesicek7 2 місяці тому
@@mrbobgamingmemes9558 That's why i wrote this is a niche product.
@stjani10 2 місяці тому
One thing not mentioned about the 3050 6GB is that it's available in a low profile config with no extra power needed. That market is quite poor with only intel arc 310/380 , Nvidia 1630/1650 and finally AMD RX 6400 that can be used for light gaming in a old office build or low PSU spec machines. The RTX 4060 is of course also but that needs way more power.
@WilliamOwyong 2 місяці тому
12th gen Intel seems to still be relevant. Interestingly the other Steve over at Gamer's Nexus uses an i7-12700KF based system for their GPU testing, though that could be due to the enormous task that would be retesting all the GPUs on a new testbench.
@sirmonkey1985 2 місяці тому
should be updated this year but don't envy them having to rebuild those charts with the new test bench.
@HappyBeezerStudios 2 місяці тому
12th gen is also still available and decently priced. Looking at new hardware the 12400F and 12600KF are still competitive and offer somewhat of an upgrade option. A 12400F with DDR4 costs about the same as a Ryzen 5700X and a 12600KF with DDR5 is toe to toe with a Ryzen 7600 and 5700X3D That is with motherboard and 32 GB of decently clocked RAM. Because if you upgrade to a new platform, you might need to change those parts as well.
@mukkah 2 місяці тому
20:52 "Mornin'! Nice day for fishin, ain't it? Hu ha!" X'D
@xplicitfishin 2 місяці тому
Literally me.
@brucethen 2 місяці тому
So I saw most of this then it vanished, now it is back, what happened?
@adamtajhassam9188 2 місяці тому
poor vram poor everything
@GewelReal 2 місяці тому
"You have no idea what you're talking about! The 6GB 3050 is clearly worth those 180$ to put into my 2nd gen i3 20$ Dell office SFF PC!"
@iamspencerx 2 місяці тому
for a 100$ it'd be probably worth it, more than that not so much
@patlotpotlot6154 2 місяці тому
You better off get low profile rtx 4060
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat 2 місяці тому
@@patlotpotlot6154 he's joking 😑
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat 2 місяці тому
Ah yes, the super niche case of the very important 0.1% of the pcmr community.
@GewelReal 2 місяці тому
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat console peasants are too used to bad performance smh
@nanonym3 2 місяці тому
keep it up boys
@KingChewyy 2 місяці тому
they did it back in the day with 1060 3gb model as well.
@threadripper979 2 місяці тому
How about cell phone screen protectors unboxed?
@AndyViant 2 місяці тому
With APO while there's cherrypicking going on is it because once they get a handle on optimising for a certain developer or a certain engine will it help with other games from that developer or on that engine? Eg would gains in F1 2022 potentially make it easier to find similar gains in F1 2023 and 2024, or even other games?
@peartreez 2 місяці тому
Modern quad cores are still pretty relevant and people trying to predict the death of hexa cores lol
@IBO8Jaeger 2 місяці тому
Man... I'm one of them. It still amazes me how I can edit 4K videos and play emulated games on my 2016 4-core laptop. I will be easily upgrading to an 8-core but only if this laptop dies which is is probably never just coz I'm a DIY repair kinda guy lol.
@patricktho6546 2 місяці тому
17:15 they are exactly that and more cheaper. But the DX 11 issues for even popular games like GTA V is so weak, that I am not willing to risk it with older and smaller games (like Emergency 20 or 5)
@murrayreid2748 2 місяці тому
The Arc discussion is what i fear about Battlemage...I'd love a more genuine 1440p option over my rtx 3060...but I like emulation gaming options,SCUMMVM etc.,too. Doesn't seem much info out there on how their drivers hold up.🤔
@Excalabur50 2 місяці тому
So when are you doing Mowers Unboxed or Lawns Unboxed? 🤣
@SimonHaestoe 2 місяці тому
Crazy that they release a card with less vram than the one I got 4 years ago and now see a need to upgrade from (2060 super)... Also crazy that my old gpu has a higher cost bow than I got it for lol.
@arenzricodexd4409 2 місяці тому
Well this is low end card unlike those 2060 S which is regarded more of a mid range.
@wvjeepguy8178 2 місяці тому
Is it fair to say the rtx 4050 low profile is atleast relevant for those cases where you need a low profile card?
@rotmistrzjanm8776 2 місяці тому
20:20 You need to remember that 7600x was 300$ at launch. And this is AMD we are talking about who was used to sell 2700x for 170$ (and it was before Zen2 came out)
@tilburg8683 2 місяці тому
It was almost 400 where I live.
@DeadlyRedRing 2 місяці тому
2700x launched at 330
@rotmistrzjanm8776 2 місяці тому
@@DeadlyRedRing Yes but it was discounted pretty quickly plus it doesn't change my point
@MauiWowie51 2 місяці тому
@@rotmistrzjanm8776 quickly is relative. No chance it was under $200 in the first year of launch. ANNNND this is when a top tier video card was LESS than $1000 msrp.
@GewelReal 2 місяці тому
@@rotmistrzjanm8776GloFo 12nm was dirt cheap
@Matt.Hurley 2 місяці тому
still rocking my i5- 11400. not gunna upgrade until I can be bothered to get new mobo for a new platform
@rustedyoda7339 2 місяці тому
if the 3050 6gb doesn't require external power, i could see it being useful for people upgrading their old DELL's or whatever. As while the 3050 8gb isn't a good value it's still basically a gtx 1080 in terms of performance. it will also have DLSS support which will boost it's performance abit. if the 6gb model is closer to a 1070 or 1070 ti then it might be a good option for some people, wanting to build Low power/formfactor PC's. a 1070 is still alright for games at 1080p in 2024. I do agree however it should have been named 3040 or 3030
@HappyBeezerStudios 2 місяці тому
Looking at the recent Zen3 X3D review which came out a day after this video, which also included the non-X3D chips, there is basically no difference between 6 and 8 core for gaming. Architecture (which means higher clocks and better IPC) and cache make much more of a difference. And Intel 12th gen is still incredibly competitive price-wise. A new 12400F with 32 GB DDR4 and a decent board costs about as much as a Ryzen 5700X with comperable additions. A 12600KF with 32 GB DDR5 and a decent board costs about as much as a Ryzen 7600 or 5700X3D and comparable additions.
@MasticinaAkicta 2 місяці тому
Seems the only good part about the RTX 3050 6GB is that it is more modern then a GTX 1600 series... and that is about it. Oh you also get DLLS. And I guess RT cores, sure. But yeah that card should have been called a RTX 3040.
@BBB-999 2 місяці тому
Nah 3030 cuz of how small it is
@iamspencerx 2 місяці тому
It's fine, it has to be priced at 120$
@rustler08 2 місяці тому
@@iamspencerxBut even at $120 it's trash. The original 3050 is slower than 1660 Ti, and this is going to be an even bigger piece of junk. It needs to be a double-digit price card.
@arenzricodexd4409 2 місяці тому
@@rustler08no AIB want to launch their card below $150 anymore. It can be GT3010 the minimum price will still be at $150.
@deanchur 2 місяці тому
I don't care if the 3050 is old stock or a defective higher-end part; repurposing it is better than throwing it out. What I'm annoyed at is how the 5 year old GTX1650, the previous 75W king (unless you count the A2000 at 3-4x the price), has only 2GB RAM less but a HIGHER memory bandwidth! Was also hoping the Arc A320 would hit 8/128 at 75W as well but nope, that's still 6/96. Gotta wait another 5 years for a proper 75W card then.
@fhs7838 2 місяці тому
I just replaced my 5600X to 5900X for 250USD. C:S2 dont need 1T performance, but nT performance which is great as older multicore CPUs are usually cheaper than newer but only better at 1T gaming CPUs.
@AxleLotl 2 місяці тому
6 core CPU's are definitely worth it for gaming. If AMD does another silicon recycle and bring out a 7600X3D, it will be a massive contender for the crown particularly for its discount over the 7800X3D.
@HappyBeezerStudios 2 місяці тому
Considering the big impact the cache has on Ryzen CPUs, I would love to have a 6 core X3D chip available. Sadly the only one that supposedly exists is heavily region locked. Something that pisses me off just as much as region locked or platform exclusive games.
@caelanb1711 2 місяці тому
My problem with 6 core processors is when people think it makes sense and is ok to pair them with something like a 4080 or 4090. If you have the money for a GPU that powerful, then you should be able to afford a better CPU with more than 6 cores. A lot of people don't just only play a game on their PC. They also like to watch stuff on a 2nd monitor, have discord open, stream, web browse, multitask etc. If you're someone that does that, then having more than 6 cores will help with overall PC smoothness and responsiveness. I know I'm in the minority for this opinion, but I don't feel like you should get a 6 core processor if you're building a new system in 2024 unless you're genuinely on a bit of a tight budget.
@felipeavlopes 2 місяці тому
Aside from the Driver side, Arc GPUs have one disadvantage vs their competitors which is the need for Rebar. You don't need to have a totally ancient system to lack Rebar so that doesn't just put off folks with much older machines and considering their target audience (people on the lower end will more likely need to hang on to their hardare for longer and in that scenario an Arc GPU wouldn't be a possible upgrade option for them) Even factoring that some Radeon GPUs get shafted with systems that have older PCIe spec those would still techincally "work" to some degree whereas with Arc it's a "no Rebar no way" situation. Bit of an oversight from Intel there I guess
@kingplunger6033 2 місяці тому
I don't see my 7600x struggling
@jensenhuangnvidiaceo9478 2 місяці тому
In the end, it doesn't matter, because you'll BUY IT ANYWAY! THANKS for the LEATHER!
@TanukiTakey 2 місяці тому
"Stop being poor or we'll scam you." Is probably the most apropos description of NVidia's business model for the past 5 or so years I can think of.
@johndelabretonne2373 2 місяці тому
I'd argue that there is s subsegment of people that have a Core i9 12th Gen that might want to upgrade to 14th Gen for two reasons: 1. The 12th Gen Core i9 still commands a decent value on the used market at this time, and 2. The top chip on any given socket usually holds much more of its resale value much longer into the following generation's lineup amd will typically allow you to recapture any costs lost to upgrading...
@SedatedByLife 2 місяці тому
I would have also accepted Fanuary
@AndersHass 2 місяці тому
I wonder if the RTX 5090 would be a minor upgrade and very expensive while the rest is a good deal compared to 4000 series counterpart. Then what would have been used as a proper 5090 goes into an enterprise GPU.
@brendanhoffmann8402 2 місяці тому
I had a 6 core 5600x for a few years. I had no complaints but didn't have a high end graphics card to push it. I did end up upgrading to an 8 core 5700x, not for gaming but for better productivity performance.
@mrcapucino 2 місяці тому
well when it comes for gaming, 6 core cpu is still a solid cpu to have. especially for e-sport title even for AAA games, 7600 can handle rtx 4070 super / rx 7800 xt pretty good in 1440p with all max settings.
@redrock425 2 місяці тому
Running a 7600 with a 6950XT at 1440p just fine.
@drago939393 2 місяці тому
I still think that for gaming the only thing that matters is single core performance, assuming that quad core performance is at least decent.
@mc_sim 2 місяці тому
how can you think this stupid if tests are out there showing performance scaling for cpu and cores?
@drago939393 2 місяці тому
@@mc_sim Where? I've not seen anything coraborating that and have heard the hosts of the video you're replying to say the same.
@QuentinStephens 2 місяці тому
With regards to the 6 GB RTX 3050 (and I have an 8 GB RTX 3050 - and a 4090), as bad as it may be, I expect you'll find that it is still the most powerful GPU that doesn't require additional power. I do hope you will test it against other cards that don't require additional power.
@user-nl7hw7uh1m 2 місяці тому
Yeah. I absolutely think it has a use case. It's mainly the name that's the issue. A cheap card that decodes av1 and runs off pcie power will be helpful for many older systems, especially if they make a low profile version of it.
@sirmonkey1985 2 місяці тому
@@user-nl7hw7uh1m so basically you mean a 115 dollar intel A380 that also has the ability to encode av1? ;)
@user-nl7hw7uh1m 2 місяці тому
@@sirmonkey1985 yeaahhh but I honestly don't know how stable and reliable arc is at this moment in time. But sure, if it's stable then it's probably a better choice.
@olnnn 2 місяці тому
The most powerful one that's not an expensive workstation card anyhow. The RTX A4000 SFF Ada is the most powerful slot power GPU but it costs almost as much as a RTX 4090 for about the same perf as a RTX 4060 with 20 GB of vram.
@QuentinStephens 2 місяці тому
@@olnnn We definitely need to see that, then!
@avshkabura 2 місяці тому
When will be review of 14900ks?)
@kingplunger6033 2 місяці тому
The heater ?
@dademr 2 місяці тому
Never would be soon enough
@tilapiadave3234 2 місяці тому
@@kingplunger6033 Match it with an AMD gpu HEATER ,, double heat ,,,, will the 14900ks catch fire like the X3D's did?
@TheXev 2 місяці тому
13:38 I get the feeling soon we will see DLSS on AMD... that could be interesting. 😏
@GRH1013 2 місяці тому
I sold my 1080 to offset the cost of my 6900xt, I really wish I had kept that 1080 for a budget build. What an amazing card.
@captainthunderbolt7541 2 місяці тому
For me, Arc is a non-starter so long as there is a competing card in the same price bracket. I'd pay 20% more for Radeon or Nvidia.
@zooteddd 2 місяці тому
If it were priced at $99, would you recommend it?
@chrislewis3322 2 місяці тому
1440 p Machine what is the bang for buck combo for 2024?
@mukkah 2 місяці тому
29:58 "Thermal Paste Unboxed"
@defeqel6537 2 місяці тому
RTX 5000 will likely increase VRAM amounts by default, thanks to 3GB GDDR7 modules. "5090" will see a price increase, everything else will likely see similar pricing to 40 series. Much depends on yields and (server) demand.
@haukionkannel 2 місяці тому
They van increase prices because ”more” memory… just see!
@Lishtenbird 2 місяці тому
29:49 Plenty of exciting things happening on the AI side for these same consumer GPUs. But only 10% of even the active community are interested in that, according to your recent poll, and everyone else just wants more of the same old rasterization for pre-designed games, so.
@WaterShowsProd 2 місяці тому
"I wouldn't think less of you if you didn't," in Ozzie is genuine. Meanwhile British viewers are now believe that Tim will never speak to them again if they don't sign up. 😅
@pino_de_vogel 2 місяці тому
WoW is single core limited so the gains in WoW can be massive if they manage to split those thread loads there. They should also look into battlefield which is also core limited.
@poorsap1598 2 місяці тому
The 3050 6gb, besides having a bad/confusing name ia decent for its use case. It replaces the gtx 1650 for a pci only powered gpu, but with more vram, more fps, longer life support, dlss, and more efficient. It really is amazing the efficiency. Is it spectacular, no, but is really rhe lowest sku gpu ever going to be? Its essentially a gtx 1660(non s/ti) with no power connector required, and will come out with a lp variant which opens up a lot. Id like to see the card compared vs a gtx 1060 6gb, 1070, gtx 1650 and super, gtx 1660 base, s, and ti, and a rtx 2060. I dont think the card should be considered for ray tracing. I think it should've also released with a cheaper msrp than the gtx 1650, maybe shave bucks off that card and call it a day. What im hoping for is some good improvements to where maybe in another few years an 8gb 75w card thats equivalent to a 2070/3060 will open a lot of doors for recycling even more old office pcs.
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