RTX 4090 Laptop vs Desktop - It’s not even close…
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RTX 4090 Laptop vs Desktop Timestamps:
0:00 Are 4090 Laptop vs Desktop the same?
0:20 GPU Spec Differences
0:49 4090 Laptop Closer to 4080 Desktop
1:00 Bring the “M” back!
1:23 Why this naming can be misleading
1:59 Laptop Test System
2:19 Desktop Test System
2:42 Differences Between My Laptop & Desktop
3:02 GPU Power Limit Differences
3:27 Thermals
3:39 Fan Noise Difference
3:53 Power Draw
4:06 Performance Per Watt
4:27 Temperatures & Clock Speed
4:48 PCIe Bandwidth Difference
5:03 25 Games Compared (4K, 1440p & 1080p)
5:13 A Plague Tale: Requiem
5:43 A Plague Tale: Requiem + DLSS & Frame Generation
6:22 Cyberpunk 2077
6:41 Cyberpunk 2077 + RT, DLSS & Frame Generation
7:00 Dead Space
7:21 Dead Space + DLSS
7:33 The Witcher 3 + RT & FSR
7:59 The Witcher 3 + RT, FSR & Frame Generation
8:13 Microsoft Flight Simulator
8:45 Microsoft Flight Simulator + DLSS & Frame Generation
9:02 Spider-Man
9:41 Spider-Man + DLSS & Frame Generation
9:53 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare II
10:12 Apex Legends
10:53 Control
11:03 Fortnite
11:27 15 More Games Tested!
11:56 25 Game Average Difference at 1080p
12:40 25 Game Average Difference at 1440p
13:11 25 Game Average Difference at 4K
13:49 25 Game Average
14:24 Content Creation (Blender/V-Ray/DaVinci Resolve)
15:13 Price Difference
16:32 Cost Per Frame Value
16:45 Do You Need Portability? How Much Space?
17:41 Upgrade Options
18:02 RTX 4090 Laptop or Desktop GPU Worth it?
18:27 More Laptop vs Desktop Comparisons!
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@JarrodsTech Рік тому
The 4090 laptop GPU uses the same AD103 die as the 4080 desktop GPU, see how those compare here next: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/smJmZ2d7e6Vmlqs.html Update: At 4:49 I show that this laptop has 8 lanes of PCIe 4 for the GPU, which is correct, however not all 4090 laptops are like this. It seems to only be 8 lanes if the laptop also has an M.2 slot that supports Gen 5, like this GT77 laptop from MSI. I have another 4090 laptop here that uses 16 lanes and hits 24gb/s in the test just like the desktop. Difficult to say how much difference this makes though, I wouldn't expect too much, not enough to affect the conclusion of this comparison at least.
@hpmsgreened8945 Рік тому
4090 laptop vs 3090 ti desktop :)
@ops-james Рік тому
Thank you for considering my request ☺️
@niebuhr6197 Рік тому
4090m vs 4080
@Ghost-hi2dh Рік тому
4090 laptop vs 4080 laptop, like does that price difference really makes sense?
@Romash. Рік тому
4070 vs 3070ti laptop
@aerosw1ft Рік тому
Nvidia rebranding the 4080 laptop as a 4090 to trick people into thinking that they're getting the fastest GPU available so laptop manufacturers can charge sky high price for their products.. classic.
@onlytheneeded412 Рік тому
Sad thing is people are falling for it like sheep lol. Anyone that knows anything about gaming laptops and their architecture knows the 4090M should be the 4080M, no less they should always put "M" on their labelings, they just do this to further confuse their customers into thinking they are getting a desktop type 4090 in a 4090M laptop. AMD thankfully is more transparent, but I really can't wait until Intel breaks the market of GPU's and causes the competition to change their tactics. I went full AMD, and I don't plan on supporting NVIDIA for quite some time, especially after their capitalization on market manipulation and using miners for that. 40 series cards they went full price fixing in terms of 40 series involvement and 30 series remaining stock.
@crearg8259 Рік тому
Yes, and true, it’s the fastest Laptop GPU because they don’t produce portable desktop-level 4090😂
@onlytheneeded412 Рік тому
@@crearg8259 I think the biggest thing is the naming. This is more relatable to the 4080 desktop type, so this should have been labeled as the 4080M. The current 4080M they have would probably be more relatable to the 4070ti or 4070 desktop, which should have been named 4070M. They did this to net higher due to the names alone, and confuse the consumer yet again. It's quite deceptive, as normal consumers will see "4090" and think oh cool that is like the 4090 desktop. People should be skipping NVIDIA this year to show consumer power against their market manipulation, yet it won't occur.
@crearg8259 Рік тому
@@onlytheneeded412 You do realize that 3080 Desktop GPU was using GA102 while the 3080 mobile GPU was using GA104(3070 Desktop GPU), right?
@onlytheneeded412 Рік тому
@@crearg8259 that is another point as well that you bring up, which is a good point and kind of lines up with what I meant, that their naming schemes if they are trying to line it up to desktop should be lined up closer to their desktop counterparts if that is their goal. Like the 3080M should have been the 3070M. However, this 40 gen series chips they are able to actually name them according to what they were doing, so the 4090M should have been named the 4080M as that created gap allows them to actually name them more closely to their desktop counterparts, yet they decided to instill that gap creation continuance to yet again confuse regular consumers. The consumers like us though see through the issues presented, while regular consumers will not.
@ChinchillaBONK Рік тому
The high noise on the laptop is great for Flight simulators immersion
@WeallAreAdults Рік тому
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@jesseordonez5088 12 днів тому
🤣🤣🤣 you win!
@Caesar_1415 4 дні тому
Niceee haha
@ArcienPlaysGames Рік тому
Been here for a long time, but I don't think I've ever gotten to say this: I really appreciate how you don't do these kinds of intro graphics or music for your videos. You just get straight to the point. Lots of creators/reviewers are so adamant on making their audiovisual presentation their channel's identity (which there's nothing wrong with btw, but sometimes, it becomes the focus and it can be a bit much). Your channel's identity is NOT doing that, and it makes you stand out as a result. Alongside Floss, you're my favourite tech reviewer and it's not even close.
@peterpetrov5831 Рік тому
And it seems to me that a lot of them are using very basic speakers, and don't realize how much bass there is in the intro music and how it makes a huge boom on a big speaker setup.
@mr.erikchun5863 Рік тому
What’s wrong with the long 5 minute intros where they get on their knees begging you to ‘’smash’’ the like button and subscribe
@danielslobodyanyuk6067 Рік тому
I agree
@Olibelus Рік тому
I like both styles, everyone is unique. That said, Jarrod is great.
@ArcienPlaysGames Рік тому
@@Olibelus as do I if it's done well, but to an extent.
@crxtodd16 Рік тому
Jarrod's channel is, by far, the best place to get your detailed laptop info. Thanks for the excellent content, as usual!
@suramabhopali7921 10 місяців тому
Hey is 4090 150 watt or 145 watt
@nomercy8989 Рік тому
Since the specs are way closer to the 4080 I would like to see a comparison with that as well
@tortugatech Рік тому
Absolutely, that would be the more informative comparison, as it would let us know how much performance is lost from the same chip when its power limited in laptop vs full power in desktop!
@marekcieslak7602 Рік тому
4090 laptop would still lose. You can compare it with desktop's 4070Ti and from what I've learned laptop is slightly ahead in majority of games (at least 1080p & 1440p, not a clue how the things are in 4k)
@tortugatech Рік тому
@@marekcieslak7602 we know the laptop would loose, offcourse it would, but by how much is the question
@mryellow6918 Рік тому
Closer? You mean identical
@rafgame2701 Рік тому
tested it against desktop gpus in Warzone with 4k max settings.. to 30-Series, it beats a desktop 3090 Ti by some 5-10 frames more. for 40-Series though... it's worse than a desktop 4070 Ti b 10-20 frames. Edit: compared to a desktop 4080, ...damn. 4080 beats it by like 60-80 fps.
@pummelman3588 Рік тому
The amount of details jarrod gave us, respect, thank you I learned alot about laptops
@inzane.hanson Рік тому
Another awesome comparison video, no doubt you put in a ton of work and it shows. You're a legend Jarrod!
@worldsfirstlol Рік тому
I mean, for a laptop, these performance numbers are super impressive. For a portable gaming option its great.
@amiraliseyedi Рік тому
that'd be awesome if you could compare RTX 4090 laptop with RTX 4080 or 4070Ti desktop.
@DTD1233 Рік тому
It was actually the 900-series that last used the -M notation, because they were trying to highlight the fact that the newer laptop dGPUs in the 10-series had closer parity with the desktop specs (minus wattage). That said, if they're going to deviate this hard, you're absolutely right. They should either include the -M, or name them more aptly for the specs they're meeting. This is either a 4090M or it's a low power 4080, but it's definitely no 4090.
@dwaynethemineraljohnson412 8 місяців тому
It should be 4080m since it uses the same chip as a 4080 so even calling it a 4090m would still be a lie and kind of false advertising
@cameronbosch1213 Рік тому
1:09 Nvidia actually had it with the Maxwell (900 series) GPUs and older, but they dropped them with Pascal (1000 series). For Pascal and even Turing, performance between laptop GPUs and desktop GPUs _were_ very close. But with Ampere (3000 series) and later, that is no longer the case. I agree, the M designation should have been brought back with the RTX 3000 series.
@bl4ckst0ne Рік тому
fine they add an M designation to the 4090 laptop GPU...doesn't change anything, they're still gonna charge a premium and people looking for the best performance will continue to buy it.
@cameronbosch1213 Рік тому
@lazard I agree; it's only part of the story. They should have really called this the 4080 Ti M at best. NOT A 4090!
@alastairgreen_Nexus Рік тому
Exactly! same thought with this
@fidelisitor8953 Рік тому
@@bl4ckst0ne Yeah they should call it the 4080 laptop or better still 4080M as it is a lower clocked 4080 desktop.
@TabalugaDragon Рік тому
@@bl4ckst0ne but then people would know it's not the same GPU, as everyone would be calling it a "4090m", not "4090".
@zac.le4869 Рік тому
Mobile graphic card (let's say rtx x070 mobile) improvement through generation would be a great idea. I know it would be paired with different cpu but generational differences are expected
@7evive Рік тому
Yeah would love 3070ti laptop vs 4070
@drgapinski Рік тому
It's be cool to see how this laptop compares to the current desktop 4080 or last gen's desktop 3090 Ti just to see a more extreme value discrepency.
@rewardilicious Рік тому
The RTX 4090 laptop is about the same performance as an RTX 3090 desktop. Nvidia doesn't get enough credit for the insane leap. I'm considering moving from desktop to full laptop build after this.
@disneyplusmember 7 місяців тому
@@rewardilicious u do you
@disneyplusmember 7 місяців тому
@@rewardilicious'laptop build" you cant change your gpu or cpu wtf is a "laptop build"
@olkar20 5 місяців тому
@@disneyplusmember he means getting a laptop and going away from desktops
@makvist 4 місяці тому
@@rewardilicious don't. it's not worth it
@mrwolfery Рік тому
Hello Jarrod!! First of all I would like to say I love your videos!!! Now I would like to ask if during your XMG Neo 16 comparison video, can you please compare the CPU temps (in water cooling) with the older XMG Neo 15 because the water cooling pipe in the newer one only goes on the GPU, and as you said in this video, Siper-Man is a CPU intensive game, so I’m kinda worried for the temps on that laptop?😅
@agent-sz2qj Рік тому
you make very detailed benchmarking videos, very informative!
@LaMuerte2013 Рік тому
Amazing video, thanks for sharing the knowledge! Thinking of building a similar dekstop computer for games to the one you posted (Y)
@andrei007ps Рік тому
Hi Jarrod, I think another great comparation would be between the RTX 4080 Desktop and RTX 4090 Laptop, because if it can keep up with that i think its acctually a great achievement in perf/watt, and also if the laptop variants would just be 1 tier below the desktop ones that would also be fair. But of course it would have been better to be called 4090M 4080M etc, maybe even include TDP in the name.
@Frozoken 5 місяців тому
Ik it's late but ofc it wouldn't keep up because it's literally the exact same cores, mem bus width and cache as the desktop 4080 except at a lower power limit with gddr6 instead of 6x which btw they can interchange whenever they want like they did with the 3060ti just putting Gddr6x chips on the die instead of gddr6 a couple years later. Tldr: It is quite literally a gddr6 4080 desktop limited to 175w instead of 320w so ofc it'll perform worse than even that
@ricardorocha4436 Рік тому
Your results are in line with ones of the Hardware Unboxed. Although the specifications of 4090 Laptop GPU are similar to the destkop 4080, it seens that the performance is more in line with 4070 TI desktop. So, I think It would be a good idea make comparisons of 4090 Laptop with 4080 and 4070 TI desktop.
@crazyelf1 Рік тому
That's because of the power limits of the laptop GPU. The laptop GPU is under clocked. So really it's a smaller die that is under clocked to meet the power limits of a laptop to prevent overheating.
@romkahehe Рік тому
Jarrod, thank you for so much work! Gathering data, visualization and text is ....tremendous.
@INerd2024 4 місяці тому
I LOVE your reviews for full power machines vs each other, as well as full power comparison for components
@DuneDee 8 місяців тому
I cannot overstate how thankful I am that you not only put chapters in the timeline for easy scrubbing, but you included ALL resolutions on each chart. It makes it so much more enjoyable to go through and analyze the data at a glance.
@Connief1990 7 місяців тому
I know right. 🙇♂️
@xin2668 Рік тому
This is exactly what I am looking for, fps of laptop in 1440p matching exactly the same as desktop in 4k. That's good enough considering viewing distance and screen size. I can't complain as a laptop gamer.
@alexthomas3622 Рік тому
Really Informative video.Thank you Jarrod sir.
@TheFatSandwhich Рік тому
There is a very big problem with the naming conventions of these cards as you point out. I remember back when I primarily used a laptop for gaming, every card ended with the 'M' to indicate it was the mobile counterpart of a GPU and we knew they weren't the same as the desktop version. Several years later, here I am looking to move back to a laptop (without being clued up on them for years) thinking that they were squeezing actual 3080's etc into laptop now with pretty relative performance to the desktop counterpart. Oooh how I was wrong.
@jlb4685 Рік тому
I really want to see laptop 4080 vs 4090 on the same machine. We need to see what the gains are :)
@60DollarCodger Рік тому
Yep! Jarrod is arranging to have that data in 'apples to apples' laptops. Stay tuned 👍
@mowomedia4801 Рік тому
@@60DollarCodger When will this come out? I'm on the verge of a RTX 4 laptop splurge.
@60DollarCodger Рік тому
@@mowomedia4801 😬 probably not for a few weeks. Although the arrangements are made with the right vendor to provide same chassis/different gpu, he still needs the machines to arrive. If you need to splurge ASAP, best bet is to compare his 4080M data and this 4090M data and try to judge what you "need". Good luck and enjoy 👍
@mowomedia4801 Рік тому
@@60DollarCodger Thanks I'll wait.
@lancealbon46 Рік тому
Dave2D gave some great 4080 vs 4090 data. Turns out the best value deal is the Asus Strix G18 with the RTX 4080, an absolute beast at US$2499.
@dalefrancis9414 Рік тому
Honestly I’m not bothered by the laptop gpu naming. I think after watching practically all the laptop videos on this channel knowing what to look for in a gaming laptop is easy. Thanks for your hard work Jarrod.
@rajandeep9242 Рік тому
Thanks for this video jarrod
@s3any1977 Рік тому
Thanks for this. Very useful. I'm upgrading from a RTX2060 Laptop, which isn't too bad. I was going to get a 3070 Ti Laptop. I know there is a performance difference between Laptop and Desktop but you've shown how that gap maximises the bigger the GPU becomes. So, change of plan. I'm getting a 3070 Ti Desktop, for the heavy hitters and keeping the 2060 for mobility.
@wazkangz955 Рік тому
At least the 30 series were a lot closer to each other and felt like a purchase that was worth it. These gaps make it seem less worth it to get higher end laptops.
@SubKiller Рік тому
Felt like a good purchase because of scalpers mining the 30xx series GPUs
@CosmicApe 11 днів тому
Are you naive thinking just because it's called a 4090 in a laptop that you're actually getting a comparable card to the desktop version?
@vlonebored Рік тому
great comparison jarrod! could you compare the laptop 4090 to desktop 4080 since they use the same and have the same SM count.
@AbdulAziz-ze3vj 10 місяців тому
Amazing video. But would have loved it if you also included price for an equivalent monitor to go with the desktop as the laptop does come with one.
@JoshuaG Рік тому
1:07 Little correction (i think🤔) , they stopped using the "M" label starting with the GTX 10 Series for laptops , that makes the gtx 900 series maxwell generation the last to use the "M" badge 👍
@TheEtherea Рік тому
Also, I think when you count configuration you will still have to include the Monitor as well even for some average price. Laptop comes with one equipped while Desktop isn't, Keyboard as well if we go further. It might sound weird but all of that pumps up your overall expenses. Laptops are always more expensive of course where you pay for the form factor. In my case I still have a great Desktop, but due to me travelling around there are no alternatives than getting a Laptop for that purpose, so I have basically paid twice.
@JarrodsTech Рік тому
This is discussed at 16:10
@_TheMarwan_ Рік тому
Hey jarrod! Wonderful analysis! I was wondering, in your opinion, what desktop gpu does the 4090 laptop gpu compare to?
@Vincent.Brisebois Рік тому
There are many creators for whom the amount of GPU memory is very important. I think this could have been brought up in the conclusion. the main reason I got a 4090 laptop over 4080 is the 16GB of vram vs 12GB. You never have enough Vram for large 3D scenes. Great video!
@PrashantMishra-kh1xt Рік тому
What do you do for a living?
@shauryamusic28 12 днів тому
Love the video and the in flames merch
@fahadmushtaq2826 Рік тому
I think another major comparison should be with RTX 4090 Laptop vs RTX 4080 Desktop... as well RTX 4080 Laptop vs RTX 4070 Desktop... we can get better idea as where the trend in going....
@lewderoge7386 Рік тому
I personally went with the 12900HX 3080TI MSI GE77 Raider laptop for $3300. Like Jarrod said it all depends on your work lifestyle and I’m always on the road traveling and makes for sense to me to game on a portable gaming laptop, now if I weren’t traveling for work so often I would definitely spend more on a high end desktop and have upgraded path for future components but as right now it’ll be a waste for me. Overall I very enjoyed the laptop hell of a beast for me and games get I play and use it for. Great video!
@justaguy5384 Рік тому
Good choice, although from what I have seen the 30 series laptops from last gen have gone up in price by a lot, rivaling even the newest tech… for some reason. I’m gonna be going for an Asus Rog Strix G18 with the 4080 and 13980hx this year myself, as it’s cheaper than most other laptops and even 30 series ones.
@lewderoge7386 Рік тому
@@justaguy5384 I check out the price for my laptop after the next day when the 40s laptop drop. The price went from $3300 to $3000 lol then next day out of stock. I think the 30s laptop are overpriced is from 3rd party I bought it straight from Newegg with free shipping. I say you’ll still get a killer performance and get things done what you need it to do if you do end up going for the 4080 laptop. I said go for it!
@Waaar Рік тому
@@justaguy5384 my work requires me to travel majority of the year. I'm looking to get the same or maybe the strix scar 16 4080 what do you think? I know the 16 has a better display but aside from that 4080 vs 4090 is it that much of a difference?
@justaguy5384 Рік тому
@@Waaar Not really, from what I have seen content creation is really the only buff for the 4090M. But the difference in FPS for games is like 13-15%, it’s not worth the extra money imo unless you absolutely need the VRAM. I just got the Strix G18 and it’s a monster, and it’s only $2500 on Best Buy right now. You might even be able to save on an Open Box deal, which I did. Of course, $2500 is a lot but compared to the 4090M laptops that are around $3,500-4,000 I’d say it’s pretty worth it
@baconeggstoast5327 Рік тому
Maybe you can help. I don’t travel for work but I am looking into a gaming laptop. I had a desktop and it sat there. I currently have a Mac to help run my private practice, do my banking, my note program for my business etc. I would primarily play LOL, maybe try dark and darker, and a few other games. Should I got desktop again or can I go laptop ?
@jotacekm Рік тому
hey jarrod! looking forward for 4060 and 4070 reviews
@zinoviev_xp4298 Рік тому
best bechmark channel ! , straight to the point and super transparent with the data.
@BatLB Рік тому
considering you have to pay 4500-7000 euro for a RTX 4090 Laptop, Performance doesnt matter. No sane person is buying it anyway, so no matter how it runs its good enough for a mad man.
@Terreos Рік тому
I’m definitely gonna be interested to see how well these compare to older 3000 series laptops and even their desktop counterparts. So far the RTX 4080 laptops seem like a good bump up from last gen with good value. Never thought I’d see that. 4090 is definitely looking like they just released the Ti variant early. Regardless I’ll be waiting to see how well the 14” laptops perform once they get released.
@TheDarksideFNothing Рік тому
Honestly I think they saw that AMD wouldn't be a major competitor in laptops this gen and just bumped the names up a tier. I bet in development the "4090" was originally intended to be a 4080. And that's why price/performance is so stagnant this gen in laptop. They named and priced everything a tier above when compared to the last gen lineup.
@random_user5761 Рік тому
Its usually one generation behind, so a good high wattage 2080 laptop usually performs like a 1080/1070 desktop you depending on which aftermarket card you’re using to compare.
@niebuhr6197 Рік тому
@@random_user5761 dont make those baseless extrapolations when they dont hold. A non maxq 2080 laptop is pretty close to a stock 2080 desktop. Faster than a 1080 by a WIDE margin. Indeed, in dx12 games, even my 2070 laptop is faster than a desktop 1080.
@doriane9184 Рік тому
@@random_user5761this is not true. With the 2000 and 3000 series, the comparison is more like they're as strong as the lower end of their current gen. For instance, the 3070 ti laptop gpu is as strong as a 3060 ti
@rewardilicious Рік тому
RTX 4090 laptop is about the same as 3090 desktop. Which is insane.
@gadgetsawol3614 Рік тому
Great video! I mean the fact that you can even plot "4k /ultra" on a graph for a laptop gpu without looking absolutely ridicolous shows how far laptop gaming has come
@ElCapitanD Рік тому
Thanks for the video, would like to see the 4090 laptop vs 3000 desktop GPU’s.
@thepan Рік тому
Actually... you know what... Nvidia can save themselves from the 35-40% performance differences curse by naming the 4090 laptop to "4080" instead since the performance is closer if not similar to the desktop 4080. However there are some valid argument that if you enabled DLSS + Frame Gen (if the game allows) with a 4090 Laptop GPU, it would perform roughly the same as a DEFAULT 4090 with neither one or both DLSS + frame gen activated. But hey... marketing, am I right lol
@gman7497 Рік тому
Agree. I suppose they could just say that they're giving laptop people 5 different gpu options just like the desktop versions so it's 'fair' but that's pretty lame. I'd much prefer they just drop the present 4050 laptop gpu coz idk how that's gonna be any kinda viable option anyways. You might as well get a 3 series at that point.
@DeathWantsMore Рік тому
The price makes difference tho, you can build a 4090 PC for half of that laptops price lmao
@dieseldouche7735 13 днів тому
No you can't. This laptop is around $4000. The 4090 is about $2000 alone.
@richardweddle3408 Рік тому
This is good to know thank you. Question: how does the 4090 perform in a desktop with DDR4 and perhaps a Ryzen 9 5950 GPU ??
@ShootingTargets727 Рік тому
Thanks man ! They use to be kind of comparable now we are back to the same old thing night and day performance differences. Thanks again !
@saboodoo Рік тому
it would be cool if instead of comparisons you just make video about 4090 4080 70 60 and 50 and when all the videos are out make a video comparing them in different categories like 4080 vs 3080 4090 vs 3090desktop etc
@Doge_Owner 6 місяців тому
You wanna put this guy to work xD
@TVCHLORD Рік тому
fan noise on gaming laptops is unberable, i had the 2022 zephyrus g14 and it got really hot and loud, it was beautiful and felt premium but the little fans cant deal with the heat the cpu and gpu put out
@mh-adlerglanz1057 9 місяців тому
This. So much this. I bought a Gaming Laptop for around 2.500 Euros/Dollars, and while the Idea of a Gaming Laptop sounds nice, its next to useless for Gaming. Because the Fans are soooo loud! It doesent matter how expensive your Laptop is, its gonna be very loud because its a Laptop. It forces you to play with Headphones at all Times. Never gonna buy a Gaming Laptop ever again.
@realsushi_official1116 9 місяців тому
Also the Vram quantity limitation on 4080M/4090M for work related tasks is important to notice. Like 3080ti had more Vram but it is very hard to find. So I would say eGpu + screen might be more interesting with a light gpu instead of buying a 4090M/4080M. Also Asus' Flows might be interesting as they offer beefier heat power througput. ((I'm working on apps eating all the possible VRAM but it is a niche workflow))
@Danjal987654321 Рік тому
I do a lot of my work while out side. But also sometimes at home. Its comforting being able to have the option to do heavy tasks everywhere you are.
@sabata7658 Рік тому
Hey Jarrod, big fan. Enjoyed the video as usual, but you made a slight mistake when discussing the "M" designation. It was dropped as of the 10 series, not 20 series. This was because the 10 series mobile gpus as you know were very close to their desktop counterparts. I agree with your point that it's time for it to come back though. Honestly the 30 series mobile deserved the "M" moniker back. Good work as always!
@cameronbosch1213 Рік тому
Correct. Honestly, 10 and 20 series were close enough that it wasn't too misleading. But by the time the 30 series came out, that wasn't the case anymore, and Nvidia really should return the M designation as a result.
@Ali13445 Рік тому
I hope nvidia brings back the “max-q” name so we don’t have to go digging for the exact tdp. But knowing nvidia, they’ll do the opposite of what people want
@bionicseaserpent Рік тому
Max P wasnt an official nvidia name
@acyde125 Рік тому
Nah them putting the exact wattage is exactly what we need. TDP > Max Q or any other marketing bs. Idk what laptops you buy but every manufacturer I've looked at has the TDP right next to the GPU
@Ali13445 Рік тому
@@bionicseaserpent oh yeah your right. I think so many people got used to saying "max p" for higher-full power cards
@tommyb6611 Рік тому
No, more names like max whatever are stupid. Just have the tdp value included. You are suggesting the idiotic practice from the german car manufacturers that include some numbers that don't reflect anything. A6 30 tdi. In the past that 30 meant a 3.0 liter engine and one could relate to the real specifications. Now they are used generic (like max something you suggest) and signify more or less depending on the numbers, but you would still have to dig to find the actual engine size and power output. So, in this case presented it should be sold as a "4080m 175w" (not 4090) no min, no max, no weird crap.
@cameronbosch1213 Рік тому
@Tommy B OEMs are required to post GPU power limits. Asus (with ROG laptops) and Tongfang (the resellers like Eluktronics & XMG) already do. Technically, an OEM not posting them is violating Nvidia's OEM requirements, but some OEMs hide it behind hard to find places.
@mainuldip9715 Рік тому
Appreciate your time and effort. Jarrod'sTech is already our home for detailed comparison and information in the right spot. Hats off ❤
@JC-cx8eq Рік тому
Jarrod, your reviews are spectacular...thanks for the incredible detail and insight. Quick question, would you trade an eluktronics i9-12900H / 3080ti laptop for a 13900HX / 4090? (Of mainly gaming on the organic laptop display / 1440p)
@elainya_ Рік тому
I wonder if a laptop with a desktop rated 4090 can or ever will exist as a secret prototype
@bl4ckst0ne Рік тому
would need 3 laptop adapters to power the thing.
@elainya_ Рік тому
@@bl4ckst0ne shoot I didnt think about that
@alastairgreen_Nexus Рік тому
Hopefully, this will be a reality with XMG/Clevo regardless of 3 power bricks or 1 gargantuan 1k watt charger if that's possible
@XCraftllc Рік тому
What's really bad is that nvidia actually thinks this kind of "marketing" is worth it. Yeah there might be a small handful of people who get confused thinking the chip is the same as a desktop, but that in no way makes up for the loss of trust and respect they get from everyone else. They offer the best performance, all they need to do is call it a 4080M and people will still buy them up all day, even at the high prices.
@bl4ckst0ne Рік тому
No, the same people will still complain that it's too expensive. They want 4080 performance at 3060 pricing.
@XCraftllc Рік тому
@@bl4ckst0ne 😄
@lil_brumski Рік тому
@@bl4ckst0neI want 4090 performance at 1650 price
@knightacedia Рік тому
Haha it's Nvidia they've always regularly participate in shady and sleazy shit this is just the first time you're noticing it.
@squad4yt103 Рік тому
What i wanted to see thanks jarrod 😊
@ricobico1872 7 місяців тому
I like how everyone forgets that a laptop has a monitor, keyboard and touchpad built into it😂
@zoolzoo4434 Рік тому
i like the ge66 12700h, 3070ti 150w, 32gb ddr5, 2tb ssd i got on ebay for for $1300 a couple months ago
@bombshooter1507 2 місяці тому
I was expecting sth like 200% difference, this is actually impressive!
@lambsauceiii Рік тому
Will you be doing a review on the msi pulse 15 b13v? Love the reviews
@kikushela Рік тому
I would love to see how laptop rtx 4090 compares to desktop rtx 3090Ti.
@JamesHarris-ry2fq Рік тому
Beats the reg 3090 desktop
@Optora. Рік тому
@@JamesHarris-ry2fq that is SO Crazy! A mobile gpu that succeeds over the top of the line RTX 3090 desktop brick from last year with a third of the power needed.
@JamesHarris-ry2fq Рік тому
@Optora most of the cards are very comparable to each other, it just the 4090m and the 4090 desktop are different bc the 4090m is using a 4080 chip instead and is drawing out way less power than it actually should making it some 80% weaker bc they are using the wrong components
@stermano3132 Рік тому
A laptop getting close or better than the 3090 desktop is amazing. Its expected buying a gaming laptop knowing it’s not going to be anywhere near its desktop version. Comparing a laptop to a desktop is pointless but for people really wanting to see the difference and looking to buy a laptop or desktop it’s good to see the performance differences amazing video very informative
@a64738 6 місяців тому
It did not use to be pointless... It is this generation of laptop GPUs that is a scam. The difference between laptop and desktop Graphics cards used to be so small not long ago that they stopped using the M to mark it was a mobile version GPU.
@MarkMiller74 5 місяців тому
Well, it beats the 3090 by about 20%, but not only that, you have to take into account that there are more and more games that use DLSS 3 and frame generation and in that case it beats it by almost double the performance. A real barbarity.
@adityaapte3845 4 місяці тому
Thanks for doing these differences!
@pragmaticparabellum3042 Рік тому
"lower is better" for power draw is not always a correct way of measuring, you also gotta compare how much performance its providing for the specific power draw. so more performance per watt is better even if the power draw is more than the comparison. most youtubers wont include this but i am so glad you included "fps per watt" benchmark. thank you jarrod
@sierracosta47 Рік тому
That's why it's best to wait for 4060 and 4070 since those types are usually the closest to their desktop counterparts. Better performance to cost ratio.
@TabalugaDragon Рік тому
they will be closer but they'll still be bad. These 2 will actually have less cores than 3060m and 3070m had. Therefore performance improvement in their case won't be high.
@sierracosta47 Рік тому
@@TabalugaDragon welp gonna keep my trusty omen 15 then.
@muhammadshaffkhilji1574 Рік тому
Hey Jarrod I have A few recommendations for when you do a comparison of differnt CPUs in games for example since you compare 11th gen vs Ryzen 5000 series you seem to always test games that are more demanding on the GPU rather than the CPU eg Cyberpunk 2077 or Control , or if there are some CPU intensive games they ussualy always hit 300+ fps any ways I think for most of the users It doesn't even matter that much if the game can already hit 250+ fps in CS go , sure some competitive players still might might want to see that but the experience is mostly gonna be the same unless they have like 360hz monitors... So my Personal Recommendation is when you Compare Intel 13th gen vs Ryzen 7000 series in games Use the Cpu intensive games with setting in that affect the CPU the most... For Example Raytracing in games Nowdays seems to be getting A lot CPU intensive So You shold test The recent Games that have Raytracing 1: Spiderman Remastered (With RAYTRACING) 2 Hogwarts Legacy (With RAYTRACING) ETC.... And if you think that is a lot of work load I think you should just stop testing the lower settings of the (Story Driven Games i.e Single Player games) from the benchmarks of the higer-end Laptops Like Realisticly No one is goona want to Buy An RTX 4060 laptop or higher to Play on Low or Medium setting on (Single player games) So for single player games Just test the Following settings from Now on... 1 : High 2 : Very High or Ultra (if Available) 3 : Raytracing Medium 4 : Raytracing Ultra Granted you will have to test Dlss3 or FSR3 when that becomes available and you have two resolutions to test 😬 So, For Upscaling use the following setting 5: Very high or Ultra (if Available) + Dlss2 /or Fsr2 (Quality) 6: Raytracing Ultra + Dlss2 /or Fsr2 (Quality) 7: Raytracing Ultra + Dlss2 /or Fsr2 (Quality) + Dlss3 /or Fsr3 Please Consider testing according to them as they might be more helpful for a lot of people By tehe way Love your Videos Man ❤ Keep up the Good work .
@aqilk Рік тому
Yes that's something I have to Agree on as that would be more helpful .....
@anwaralsadatkhan Рік тому
Why didn't I think of that 🤐
@vennomjr Рік тому
I think he should also be testing Frame Generation With Regular Ultra settings 🤔
@muhammadshaffkhilji1574 Рік тому
@@vennomjr Nah that would just be more workload ...
@muhammadakbarmahar Рік тому
Affermative 👌🏻, 3 of my friends have An rtx 3060 laptop and for Single player games they all Use Ultra or high settings and try to get the best visuals Low settings aren't needed in Higher or Mid range laptops since they have gotten a powerful enouh to easily handle high settings
@SteveEricJordan Рік тому
what would the gaming laptop community be without you man. we love you man
@eyang7 Рік тому
Thank you. Was planning to buy a 4090 rtx laptop but this changed my mind completely. I'll just save and build another pc when parts are cheaper. Still rocking the 1080ti for now.
@Tijgert Рік тому
If FPS is your prime concern then desktop is the way to go. Obviously. But personally I put great value in portability as I travel a LOT. Add the performance per watt to top it off I’m still inclined to choose the laptop and just take a few less FPS.
@gman7497 Рік тому
The 4090 laptop can just about any game out there at well over 60 fps in 4k, usually without DLSS being a factor. I guess I don't get the need for like 130-140 fps in 4k, that seems like overkill. But then again, I've never seen frames above like 70 in any pc games I've played so maybe im being dense lol
@micalangenburg1706 Рік тому
Hi Jarrod! Since this is a laptop and we all know that desktop are superior when it comes to specs wise. Can we compare it to last gen GPU specifically the RTX 3090 Desktop? Because the laptop RTX 40 series is a huge leap in performance and I wonder how close it is to last gen's Desktop or at least the RTX 20 Flagship GPU. If it surpasses the flagship RTX 20, it is definitely a "desktop replacement" to some people, because there are still a lot of people who would rather to work from home or travel while they work. Than going to the office. I hope you would grand this request. Have an amazing day
@michaeldendulk9225 Рік тому
As per benchmarks that have been coming out laptop 4090 = desktop 4070ti = desktop 3090ti, which the advantage that the 4xxx GPU's have DLSS3.0, which pushes them well above the desktop 3090ti in games that support it.
@fabianno7679 Місяць тому
I have watched a few of your videos. I decided to make the move from gaming laptop to tower. I was wondering if you could recommend any company's that you would trust to create custom builds? Thank you.
@vladimirmonakhov8770 Рік тому
Thanks for the excellent content! Turns out I no longer need the Desktop rig. WIth laptop I will be able to play any game in 1440p at 90fps+. And even in 4k with DLSS.
@Toyota_MK4_ Рік тому
I will wait for the 4090 Ti
@ops-james Рік тому
The difference between these cards is so much, I dunno how are they even calling this the 4090...
@tryfergoodra552 Рік тому
For real just marketing shit
@jellybeangaming4297 Рік тому
🤑🤑🤑🤑
@BeastyBite Рік тому
it's called hypercapitalism and is a system in place that fuels consumerism.
@TabalugaDragon Рік тому
1:07 umm no, 1000 series didn't have "m" in the name because mobile GPUs in that generation has essentially the same specs and nearly the same performance as the desktop ones.
@dankaxon4230 Рік тому
this is literally the best video you can put out every year, you get to see future trends
@tryfergoodra552 Рік тому
A question that i have , is with 4070 vs 4060 in laptops , they look rly similar just the 4070 with more cuda cores , is this rly a big of a gap or will be the 4060 rly close in performance?
@TabalugaDragon Рік тому
they won't be close in performance, because they will still use lower end chips than on desktops. So even if by some miracle you brought them to the same wattage as on desktops they'd still perform worse, because Nvidia are too greedy.
@tryfergoodra552 Рік тому
@@TabalugaDragon no i mean 4070 mobile vs 4060 mobile
@mussim2919 4 місяці тому
No matter what, desktop will always be king, even 3000 years from now.
@cheerful_crop_circle 4 місяці тому
Maybe
@XandexTheMarshan Місяць тому
Extremely unlikely mate 😂
@I_hate_you_forza 24 дні тому
Lol😂
@ministryofwrath 8 місяців тому
I was in the market for a 18" 4090 laptop. but this is making me rethink it. the issue is I'm always catching a flight, moving between houses and work, so I sadly will need to take the power hit, or lug around a pc tower.
@dwaynethemineraljohnson412 8 місяців тому
I would love to see a a rtx 4090 laptop vs 4070 ti desktop comparison since both say they are a bit faster than a 3090 so the performance should be pretty close
@theo5675 Рік тому
4090 is basically a 3090 ti desktop which is only 1 year old now still insane! it can’t keep with 4090 desktop it’s just too much power maybe one day if they can somehow make a 4090 desktop power more efficient it could compete with the next series still if u limit a 4090 desktop to the same watts the 4090 laptop beats the 4090 desktop so still very impressive for power efficiency!
@gman7497 Рік тому
They will keep improving but there will always will be a gap. It's less about tech than physics lol. A laptop gpu can't keep as cool coz there's not enough space. I suppose there could be material/liquid cooling solutions for it but in the end there's only so much you can do.
@theo5675 Рік тому
@Gman 749 I agree u can't beat physics so not sure why people are complaining lol it'll get somewhat better for sure with still a gap between but I mean how can people not appreciate that its only about 1 year gap from the most powerful desktop GPU!! That's an amazing leap in tech!
@gman7497 Рік тому
@Anthony Lee the biggest complaint is the pricing but reviewers seems to be fixated on the fully specced out msi Titan 4090 which is the most expensive one on the market. an Asus Rog Scar 4090 is in the 3500-3800 range which is still a hell of alot but considering the performance you're getting in a laptop it's somewhat understandable.
@achrefhjr4322 Рік тому
One day I will get this RTX 4090 but without finding time to play a single game on it😭💔
@lennoxlewis9513 Рік тому
Man, this hit home💔
@MrTelecasterIV 6 місяців тому
I used to buy these pc magazines and remember reading about laptops running the original Far Cry at med. settings at a decent resolution. It was considered a miracle. It still amazes me the power notebooks have these days. And still we are complaining... I grew up with a Dell Optiplex 166mhz Pentium, 32mb RAM and a S3 4mb GPU, we are truly spoiled these days.
@LyteFlex Рік тому
Foul play thanks for sharing
@marcinlegacy9660 Рік тому
If U put 150W against 450W U will never be close...
@hogman3543 Місяць тому
Rtx 4090 laptop 175w vs 300w 3080 and the 4080 laptop wins
@blondegirl7240 Рік тому
I won’t be surprised if Nvidia asks the same $$$ as for 4090 desktop chip😎
@pavlophoenix Рік тому
I would like to see a little bit of game tests, because these tables sometimes confuse me, but the fact that you laid it all out is cool, thanks
@jlb4685 Рік тому
Pause the video on the game you want to know the differences are and then you can take your time to figure things out
@pavlophoenix Рік тому
@@jlb4685 ah , i knew that, but, evey time i forgot where is the , for example difference between FPS
@shadowfreddy25 Рік тому
Same, game test with Msi afterburner would be better
@JarrodsTech Рік тому
Gameplay isn't really realistic for showing averages. The game testing for videos like this takes hours to make, but I only have a few minutes to show it. For more info on why I don't show gameplay, check out this post: jarrods.tech/why-i-dont-show-game-play-for-benchmarks/
@willcheek2675 7 місяців тому
Could you please do a comparison of an Alienware m18 with the RTX 4090 to their top end Precision Workstation laptop? The would be for the primary purpose of running SolidWorks? My theory is that the gaming laptops have exceeded the performance of the "Workstation" engineering laptops and have finally nullified the difference of the OpenGL drivers that are customized for CAD softwares. Thanks
@jonathanr4160 Рік тому
Nvidia should just have just called the 4090 laptop the 4080M considering it has the actual 4080 desktop chip in it. 4090 laptop just isn't even in the same league as the desktop despite both having the same name and eye wateringly high prices.
@sharp640SR Рік тому
My 3080ti kills that laptop gpu.
@elmoterminator6969 4 місяці тому
box with decent cooling vs metal slab (very good at keeping heating)
@CODEDSTUDIO Рік тому
Thanks for the Video, can you compared it to the 4070Ti desktop and 3090 Desktop
@brightoskar9469 Рік тому
Do a comparison between the razer blade 18 & MSI gt Titan 77 2023
@deltaeternum9270 Рік тому
I mean, if the chip is the same then the naming stands - but the point is well taken if the performance is drastically different, and in many cases close to half of the desktop counterpart. I agree, they need to go back to a more specific naming scheme for the mobile chips.
@maxpayne69. 10 місяців тому
With the Pascal 1050ti - it was the first identical full fat gpu on both laptops & desktops & the laptop version was even faster thanks to the foundry refresh. Oh how far things have strayed now! 😮
@SargeantRho Рік тому
one correction: in 1:15. nvidia removed the "M" in gtx 1000 series not rtx 2000 series. i remember back in 2016 complaining about it and the confusion it would represent
@TabalugaDragon Рік тому
yep, exactly.
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