Yep, it doesn't matter at all. You should be using it plugged in because it performs far worse at just about everything without it being plugged in. My trading software lags if I don't plug the laptop in. It turns into a Chromebook if you don't plug it in.

Or bring a portable generator with you.

I only need enough battery life to save all my work and properly shut down my laptop in case of a power outage. I keep a curved ultrawide monitor plugged in, so that has its own power outlet. Some of my guitar gear also requires power outlets. Whether I'm gaming or recording music, I might as well shut it down. What makes a laptop so perfect for me is if I have to travel. An ice storm took out my power at home, so I brought my laptop to a hotel with me and played games that aren't hardcore simulators like I usually play.

which sucks since there is no standard to cutoff the battery from constant recharging they will bloat

@@pikkyuukyuun4741 For sure, they will bloat, they all bloat down here.

Nice to see the guru of gaming laptop reviews himself here! If only Nvidia didn't have to make the 4060/4070 so mediocre for laptops this gen while making the 4080/4090 so good but expensive...

Ayyy love your reviews

Jarrod! I'm subscribed to ur channel it's great

Why am I reading this in Jarrods voice.

@@buffcowboy5201 because Jarrod's marketing is on point

Yes, yes, let's go with that... he forgot 😂

@@jellygoo 4 years ago, I was able to score a different rebadge with a 8750h, 16gb of ram, a 512 NvME WD Black boot drive that came with 1 other NvME slot and a 2.5" bay, a 2070 and a 15" 1080p 144hz screen with G-sync for $1399. Obviously lower specced, and it also didn't have thunderbolt but it did have DP. So different re-badgers will spec differently at different pricepoints. I'm running it with an external 24" 144hz 1080p with zero issues, 32gb ram, 512/1tb/2tb, undervolted and max turbo and it's solid as a rock. I think my upgrades were like $300 or so total. Maybe $400. Plus the monitor but that was less than $200. You don't have to hit the highest pricepoint. And if he used Throttlestop, he would have gotten much higher results in testing, and then throw a good cooling pad under there, and he would have seen probably the same temps but without a throttling CPU.

Yup. To get the specs he mentioned, you get your 40 series for 40 hundreds.

@@eboethrasher uh, ok?

Saw that, great laptop but Holy shit it's expensive as hell

24 cores that's more cores then an amd ryzen laptop now man that's a beast of a laptop you should buy it now!!!!!

yeh i like how there dooing there upgradeable gpu, makes more sense that way.

😢😮😮

@@raven4k998 Ryzen is in the same league performance wise though depending on the workload. Better performance per watt.

​@Raven4K they're fake p cores and e cores tho. That "24 core" cpu is still only 32 thread which is what AMD's 16 core CPUs offer

But I like em *T H I C C*

@@aaz1992 I like the way the AIO idea was implemented by eluktronics.

@@rekareaper yes. Pretty neat

Move the bulk into the cable, ez marketing win

Yeah, I have an asus rog gl742vw with something like a nvidia 970 and some intel i7 something something from like 2016, and it's running strong. It's almost 2" thick. I use it mainly for music and saving documents for work. It still plays games pretty well, too.

Indeed I remember when laptops would start throttling really hard if you didn't have it sitting on one of those cooling fan stand things

Yeah but what was the run time? I doubt it was more than 1 maybe maximum 2 hours. I understand laptops have their place, but it will easily overheat and start lagging if you play more than 2 hours, so I don't really find this impressive but we've come a long way and maybe laptops won't be that bad in the future

@@miuletzmitzu6641 I can't speak for all laptops and cheaper ones do have this problem but my Alienware (cant think of the model name atm) has never overheated or throttled at least not in any way I can tell and I've ran games on it all day. Though it is worth mentioning that I run it in balanced and do a slight undervolt. I grew up on laptops and I know all too well about how you'd have to buy coolers/fans prop them up on books etc to make it not throttle itself to nothing but I have not had to do any of that on my Alienware laptop

How do u like it?

Having a old bulky high-end laptop my general advice is always get a cooling stand. Iv got a good one that can fit over my lap with the adjustable legs supporting it. I honestly haven’t even bothered to plug in its fans as unlike your lap it doesn’t block the intakes.

@@nathnathn fun fact: the term "laptop" doesn't mean PUT IT ON YOUR LAP... it means it's PORTABLE. the fans need to breathe to cool it. I always have mine on a cooling stand and most times don't use the fans in the stand either.

The rear connectors are indeed awesome. Can testify.

@@XxTWMLxX I've gotten used to have balancing 18 pounds of hot metal on legs. :P

Yeah that’s the design flaw of the MSI Titan GT77HX, everything connects on the side. Better thermals though.

your scientists were to busy worrying about whether or not they could they didn't both worry about whether or not they should🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@@raven4k998 what

​@@raven4k998 huh

​@@raven4k998 huh

He could have run HWinfo or the Nvidia Inspector, too.

I have an iets gt300s cooling pad and it lowers temps by 10-20 degrees. so, I can confirm that they do work, very well. as long as you buy the right cooling pad that acually works, they do make a very substantial difference

@@mikediezel0923 That's good to hear, but I bet that the same can't be said for all cooling pads out there. Just like how one CPU generation is better than the other, or sometimes the same or even worse, one cooling pad could be better than the next or vice-versa. And I bet that for many laptop users out there, being able to know prior to purchasing cooling pads which ones to buy and which ones to stay away from would be a very welcome thing to know before having spent money on a cooling pad.

@@John_1920 The problem with trying to do reviews for those pads, is it's going to be very dependent on how a given laptop has its vents setup. The pad that Mike above used, for example, might make a 10-20 degree difference on his laptop, while on 5 other common laptop designs it might only give a 5 degree difference. You've also got to take into account what hardware is in a given laptop. A good cooling pad on the laptop from this video is probably going to give you a much higher difference than on a laptop that has an older 10-series GPU. There's significantly more subjective difference for a given cooling pad, compared to the normal benchmark tests you can run for various types of other hardware.

@@AeriFyrein I am well aware of all of that, yet you seem to forget that Jay uses an open air test bench, and doesn't to a lot of in-the-case testing, so the same thing you just said about cooling pads could also be applied to testing cpu coolers or fans on the open air test bench, or even if he does it inside a case, because cases are also different, just like you said cooling pads are, and some cases would provide greater air flow and cooling than others.

@@John_1920 That is partially true, except for one thing: even on an open-air bench, the cooler is *directly* attached to the CPU, and thus has direct heat transfer between the CPU and heatsink. Even if that means that various cases would provide different levels of cooling, as long as all tests are done in relatively the same ambient temperature, it'll provide a much more well-defined baseline difference regardless of any other factors. Laptop cooling pads, on the other hand, are completely external. Not only would they be affected by a given laptops vent design, but also the internal placement of various components. In addition to that, when Jay or another reviewer do tests on different components, they tend to try and keep a consistent set of other hardware for the tests, at least for as long as is practicable; their test benches don't get part-swapped every other week. Laptops, being significantly less modular, would have much more of a problem for that. Yes, they could keep 4 or 5 specific models around to test cooling pads with, but it would still provide much higher variance on average. I'm not saying that it would be impossible to do. I'm sure there are reviewers out there that do test laptop cooling pads. Considering some of the hoops the bigger places have to jump through for all the *other* hardware they test, though, it's probably not the best use of their time to add another product type. You're also probably forgetting that many of these reviewers already tend to get a lot of hate mail when people buy products based on their reviews, and those products don't give them the same results as in the reviews. Reviewing a product type that could give such a huge variance on results could lead to a lot of extra mail of that sort, and they likely don't want to bother with that much extra trouble. It's a ton of extra work, for very little gain.

I think this is a very common scenario for adults that game. Family matters come up, you work more, might have kids and you want to spend time with your partner. Gaming laptops, handhelds such as a switch or a deck are tailor made for people with a busier life Personally, I got a laptop as a main rig and a steam deck as a back up. Not far off from what you have

The cooling pads don’t actually make a large difference (look it up there alot of videos)

​@@nerd20fromdiscorddepends on the type of cooling pad and how open the back and underside vents are. It's not really that effective on a laptop that has its back vents blocked by the screen (razer blade laptops), but it's much more effective on one that's opened. Also, I'd say the cooling pad with foam seals and the big 5200 fan is probably the best pad, bar none.

i think amd for cpu it would be better cause their power consumption is less than intel making it more eficient for laptops and also good for work and for gaming

please excuse my ignorance, but I feel like people have been saying AMD will "maul" intel in terms of efficiency for years now...

What is wrong with it now? Haven't checked it out

or they probably assume people who looking to get a 4070 or lower will never look at anything higher spec'd

AMD heat soul is getting into Nvidia

I'm still on the 2080.

True. Look for deals on 4080 laptops. I found one for $1990

Forced market segmentation at work, and Nvidia will push that strategy with their upcoming releases which will be DOA.

yes but with Intel CPUs you have to set them with a program called Throttle stop, because they are set to throttle back from Turbo speeds once you cross a temperature delta. Running Throttlestop, you can a) undervolt the CPU to get more temperature headroom and b) set it to run constantly at a turbo speed multiplier so it doesn't throttle. It runs at similar temperatures, in spec, and never gives you a problem when gaming. If the temps are too high, knock back the turbo speed bottom end some, or make it constant at that turbo speed. Or try for a more stable lower undervolt if possible. That's where Intel has screwed up with their Turbo implementation vs temperatures.

Yep. Integrated graphics are being used without the game running so the GPU temp and power utilization options in Afterburner won’t show up for the dGPU. Either turn on Afterburner after the game launches or put the laptop into dGPU mode.

He also tested this laptop with it sitting flat on the surface, which... Clevos have sortof a design flaw for years, as there is intake on the bottom, and there isn't enough space for the fans to suck efficiently enough, so it hurts the cooling. The tests in this entire video are flawed because of that alone. You HAVE to prop Clevos up off the surface or else you'll take a like 10° hit in cooling which hurts everything else. Smh he screwed this one up.

@traderupthablock - I can’t tell if your joking, but you can’t prop up a laptop to get more air during benchmarking. That would not be a fair test of the laptop as designed. You could run a couple tests like that to show folks the difference it makes, but your main tests should be in stock configuration in a standard arrangement.

Current gen maxes out at 25w I believe. Long way to go before they are useful for something like this. Still, it is very cool tech that I hope they can figure out how to scale.

@@Sandriell I found it an interesting premise also but I'm not sold on the scaling. At present, rather than being able to bump up the volume, they just increase the quantity/density of units in lieu of heat pipes. Ehhh...

yeah cause then it will last longer and since a rtx 4090 run hotter then the sun thicker is better

@Raven4K gaming laptops are 0.9" thick now. Nothing thick even on these loaded models. If they could make a standardized bottom (even just brand specific), that can give an owner the option of getting a bigger bottom and upgraded cooling.

@@olandersnake yeah they need to go back to being as thick as they used to for longer life due to better cooling that can be packed in to the larger size form factor think about it I mean why have gpu's gotten thicker if not for more cooling

@Raven4K I'm with you on that. I have a laptop cooler that basically lives under my laptop. Combined with the laptop, it is 2 inches thick. I have the LTT backpack, and it all fits in there perfectly in the laptop portion. Would a thicker laptop be heavier? Yes, but only by a little bit. You could have the same number of heat pipes that aren't flattened as well as wider blower fans pushing more air through taller aluminum fins. This wouldn't cool the laptop more, but instead help hit better boost clocks. Like when Jay ran Cinebench, and it dropped to 3.2GHz. It might hold a higher boost, getting workloads done faster, which people using this for actual work would appreciate.

@@olandersnake These are fairly think, that was his point. I've got one, they are not that thin, compared to ones i've seen. He needed to undervolt the CPU and set it to run at Turbo speeds so it wouldn't throttle on him, even if it ran at similar speeds he would not have had a performance problem. It's a program called Throttlestop. Ryzen CPUs don't have this problem, only Intel, and they have had it for multiple generations now. And FFS the tiny bit of cycles a fucking 12 core cpu spends on RGB is nothing to worry about. You can set it to be static RGB, on a per key basis. He wasn't going to do that for a test.

I think I still have it stashed away in a drawer somewheres, last I knew it only needs a battery/charger?

They do exist so you could get one of those. It's just that super thick laptops do not sell so the industry has trended towards around 1.2in or thinner for laptops

Yeah I know, idk I'd love to modernize my old laptop but from what I've been told I'd be difficult/impossible to do, although I'm not very technical savvy

@@Murphyslaw1192 It would be basically impossible to get it anywhere close to modern laptop speeds. You'd be best off buying a last generation 30 series if you're on a budget as they are plenty fast still.

IIRC, MSI still makes a megachonk no-compromise thick laptop that will hit better numbers at the expense of less battery life and less portability.

Because it can't Port Royal: RTX 3090 Score: 20K, RTX 4090 Mobile: 15.5K

Just has to scream to do it lol

​@@LucaRuggier so you play with LN2 cooled gpu at a voltage that would kill the gpu in a couple of weeks? No wright? At normal circumstances 4090m laptop is faster than 3090 stock.

@@LucaRuggier So, a tricked out 3090 is your reference, eh? That's not his point, pal.

Yeah and for a laptop that is actually slower than other laptops with rtx 4090's in them and laptops that in general have at least better temperatures and don't bottleneck the gpu. Don't get my wrong I would have gladly paid the money for a good clevo laptop this year but this is definitely not it.

If you'd spec an Origin desktop with similar components (4070 Ti instead of 4090 mobile), you would arrive at the same price as this laptop with a 1440p screen instead of the 4K. When you compare apples to apples - this laptop is a great deal!

It depends on your needs and budget most people do not need a 4k laptop just need something to travel with

@@Kibirotubas yeah the money is wasted on the 4k screen and the 4090. Also, Intel has a problem with the way Turbo is implemented in relation to temperature in laptops, that you have to do a workaround to make sure it doesn't throttle. Throttlestop, a small program, is your best friend with an Intel gaming laptop.

Hi there, sounds very promising, would you please explain how to disable turbo, having some temps issue on my Aero 16 2022 with 12700H and RTX 3070Ti. Thanks heaps!

4070ti desktop is even faster

Why though? It is a 4090 but a mobile version which is expected to way underperform a desktop 4090 and also at 175 watts from a 4090 you can't expect much but still a GPU that eats only 175 watts and beats a desktop 3090 is damn impressive. A 3090 performance for 50% less power consumption.

​​@@laszlozsurka8991 15:00 it's not a 4090 though. It uses the same die as the desktop 4080 and a lot less power as well. So 4080m(obile) is a pretty fitting name. Either that or go by performance and call it a 4070(Ti) or something. 4090 doesn't really make sense no matter how you look at it...

@@zwenkwiel816 I don't understand how you expect more... how else could they fit a 4090 into a laptop? Even if they used the 4090 die and cut the wattage by 50% and the core frequencies by 300 MHz it would still be around a desktop 3090 performance. And NVIDIA miss naming products... not the first time... the whole RTX 4000 series lineup is miss named. RTX 4080 in reality should be an RTX 4070 Ti... RTX 4070 Ti should be an RTX 4070... RTX 4070 should be an RTX 4060 and so on.

@@laszlozsurka8991 I don't expect more I just expect them to be honest. Putting 4090 on a laptop gpu when it's really a 4080 in literally every spec is just intentionally misleading to drive up the price. It's like putting a 3.0 badge on a car when it only has a 2.5 liter engine or something...

That's what Clevo does, they sell bare bones machines that usually only have like RGB keyboard and that's it, maybe a camera. You're talking about like Asus, MSI, Alienware etc... They come bloated in general.

@@Siegefya to tell the truth I thought clevo just made the chassis and it populated by manufacturers like Asus, this might sound trollish but I would love to see a high end laptop with out distractions like RGB crappy cameras keyboard or even a track pad it's just basically a thin portable small formfactor pc with a screen.

@@GingerBallSack That's not trollish to me, I don't blame you. doesn't sound like a bad idea.

@@Siegefya And some laptops has keyboards that is only one light and it is dimmable with shortcut.

yeah, that with an iets gt500 cooling pad

Cooling pads are a gimmick. A stand is fine but cooling pad distrupt your actual airflow. It's good for crappy laptops though.

@@BrawndoQC the iets gt500 is so far above your standard gimmick cooler.

Not gonna help much, if the cooling system is already overloaded..

@@BrawndoQC there are vents on the bottom for a reason. You blow into said vents, you are helping cool system, since the fans are on the bottom of this system, PULLING the air in from the bottom. Push air into the bottom and it helps. Your statement fails at face value.

Man Qosmio's were epic! I wish I had one.

I replaced my 1070 with a 3060 legion 5....way better than expected

but sacrificing upgradability

Ran a 1070 since they launched. Bought a Dell G15 laptop with a 3070ti on sale. Massive upgrade, but I do miss the upgrade paths of a desktop. I expect that much power will carry me for a solid few years at a minimum.

​@@ibnadam65but do you really need upgrading if u buy it the best? Ur pc will still be good anyway yet always when people upgrade to next gen u end up just buying new pc in total

the price of upgrading is way less , anyways laptop are very inconvenient

We all where you ones 😢

I use my Inspiron 14 laptop with a HDD from 2011 or 2012 to run a tuning program on my car. It's awful. Chromebooks and other low spec laptops are still way overpriced for me to upgrade though lol

A base PS4 would be a solid upgrade 🤣🤣🤣

@@guidosaur7506 Fr. They keep going for the slim factor of a laptop. But in every other aspect, it suffers from limiting their heat sink size. Id rather have a laptop in a backpack that's 3-4" thick that can actually compute, than have a laptop 1-2" thick that runs at 100c when pushing the hardware.

@@Surms41 except that the CPUs are SUPPOSED to run at that temperature, they are specced to run that high. Look up the parts on Intel's site. It is different than a desktop part. Mobile parts are expected to be able to run heavy and hot. Especially certain series.

They do last a while. Most people don't end up having failures due to that

All of the new hardware can run for years like that. Modern materials make them better at temperature handling than the 2013 era gear people are basing their temps on.

Sure it is. My 4 year old gaming laptop is just fine, and I undervolt my CPU and then it runs at a 39 turbo multiplier constantly, always on the dedicated graphics. Computers are made to age out after about 5 years. Especially laptops.

Goodluck spending 4k on this lol

@@nicksrandomness8116 , looks like Ile have to go on the dark web and sell a kidney first...damn.

@@richardajoy79 "standard-sized custom GPU with two mobile 4090s" what the fuck does this even mean? English, do you speak it?

@@richardajoy79 Maybe get a 4080 and 1440, not 4k and you won't have to sell a kidney.

I mean the laptop is gonna be 3k it better be better than a 2.5 year old gpu

except that a year ago you could find a 3090 for $1000 more or less...

I paid 1100 for my 3090 about a year ago. Evga water cooled, just waited for a sale.

1500usd 3090 3 years ago...kinda expected

@@fvallo well it came out 2 and a half years ago no 3, and at that time, is was virtually impossible to find it for less than $2000

If they screw you, why do you buy their product?

Would say 3070 if you can find it at an okay price

8gb 🤡

6800xt $500-600 new. 6950xt $650. Both very competent cards and priced fairly I think

7900xtx is a 4080 basically but $100-200usd more than the 4070ti. As long as you don’t mind not running ray tracing on certain games then it’s a great card. I love mine.

Well when you can buy a 3080 at around 700 to 800 dollars while you need 4000 dollars laptop to beat it doesn't exactly help your argument, pretty sure that 4090 cost like 2000 to 2500 dollars part of that total cost, and it's only a 4080 die

​@@jormungand72 exactly. Why Diego is such a jebaited child is beyond me.

@@jormungand72 sure but scamming people by naming it 4090 and overcharge the price isn't, you really think ordinary people who are less tech savvy is gonna know the difference between desktop and laptop gpus? So they are paying way more and get like 7 800 dollar worth of performance and some of them won't even ever notice

@@Simon-tr9hv But that's just the physics of it. I also don't believe that you need to spend 4000 dollars to beat the average gaming desktop. People like to cite these expensive top tier gaming laptops, but they are not even the top 1% of the market. It's like trying to say "Hondas are too expensive because the NSX is over 100K", which is just a ludicrous statement. You can also spend 4000-10,000 dollars on a desktop too which seems just as worthless when you can buy a PS5. To speak in more reasonable terms. You can get a laptop with a 3060 in it that will perform better than the average desktop PC (per the steam hardware survey) for around 1K USD.

@@tybera1114 lmao 3060 laptop to beat desktop performance? Do you know even know what you are talking about? Laptop gpu is always 2 step down from doesktop, ie 4090 laptop is similar to 4070, 4070 is similar to 4050 or 3060 ish performance, with a 3060 laptop you are looking at around 1660ti or 1070 ish performance? You wanna see how much they cost compare to your laptop?

Lol. You can make a ton of money with a laptop.

@@user-cr4pz5yg7y I’m stupid I spend money on computers haven’t been too successful at the making part lol😂

30 years away? More like a century away lol.