Haha!

I always took that line to mean his hope in saving the hobbits is waning. A fancy way to say "I'm losing hope, but we must keep moving and know for sure" That or it's the power of saruman urging his forces forward. Despair is the main weapon of the nazgul so it makes sense for it to be used to a more subtle but wider effect by sauron or saruman. Just my personal thoughts tho, not to be taken with any certainty.

Legolas replies to this and gives us the answer, he says the power that lends speed to their foes is in front of them not behind them and aragorn then says saruman. So yeah Saruman set his will against the three hunters and almost broke Aragorn and gimli completely seems only legolas was unfazed by it

Saruman did the best he could with what little information he had available. Sauron had spent centuries learning from the best Elven and Numenorean smiths to perfect his plan. Saruman didn't have the benefit of that collaborative process - he had to do it all in secret, hiding it both from Sauron and from the White Council.

​Interesting point. It would be "fun" to see how Saruman and his machinations would fair if given the same time span and resources as Sauron. 🌊🦔👍@@OceanHedgehog

@@OceanHedgehog Saruman studied alongside Sauron under the Valar Aule, the Great Smith, in Valinor. But why would Saruman go to so much effort to find the One Ring if he could make his own?

@@BenFraylebecause with the forging of one such as the One comes sacrifice, giving your own power unto it so as to multiply that power, yet you are made even lesser without it if it is lost than you were prior to it’s forging. Why risk such when you can steal such power from another, and in doing so empower yourself without sacrifice and knowing that doing so will cripple your greatest rival?

@@OceanHedgehog Sauron taught the Elves ring craft, not the other way around.

May Christopher Lee Rest in peace.

Because Tolkien took inspiration from Norse Mythology, more specificity the legend of Sigurd who end up in possession of the cursed ring, Andvaranaut after slaying the dragon Fáfnir which had a nasty curse of misfortune placed on it by its original owner & creator the dwarf Andvari after Loki had robbed him of it and his hoard of gold so as to use both as reparation to the King of the Dwarfs for accidently killing his son, (Fáfnir was his other son who out of greed slew his father to claim both before absconding & transforming into a dragon to protect his ill-gotten gain), After Sigurd had claimed the ring the curse begin slowly effecting him by ruining his life, eventually leading to his untimely death.

Why not a toe ring?

Gauntlets, earrings, and tattoos!

The Prince Albert of Prince Isildur just doesnt feel good... to anyone.

@@sprgeorge333 Oh god! That reminds of the Jack Black & Sarah Michelle Gellar LotR parody skit for the MTV Video Music Awards where Jack as dressed an elf reveals during the Council of Elrond he had the One Ring pierced through his weaner tip before hilarity ensues.🤣 ukposts.info/have/v-deo/nJ9qrIaIf39qqGQ.html

What a lot of nonsense

@@BenFrayle nice addition, really brought a lot of thought to your comment.

@@tominny Saruman told Gandalf he'd made multiple rings. They weren't anything like Sauron's rings of power. The whole theme is that Saruman was imitating Sauron in everything he did but he was always inferior. When they searched Isengard after the War of the Ring they found all sorts of magical items he had found or created in his search for the One Ring. Your idea that Saruman and Grima had matching rings or something is just BS.

@@BenFrayle ok? How is anything you are saying different from what I'm saying? Saruman made multiple rings, he attempted to imitate sauron, gave 1 of his lesser rings to grima and tried to corrupt him. None of the rings worked as well as Sauron, but he was trying. Why are you so upset?

@@tominny Saruman didn't give Grima, or anyone else, any of his 'rings'. There is nothing to suggest this in any of Tolkien's works or writings.

Ah, this is strictly speaking not correct. The Silmarils for example, are unique in all of Arda: even Fëanor says he cannot make them again (and some part of him went into their making). Tolkien does speak about this loss of native power in regards to the Valar: when used to dominate and corrupt, it doesn't regenerate over time (hence why the Valar, despite their many creations, are not so diminished). Celebrimbor very likely could never again make the Three, as some measure of himself went into them. Could he make more, lesser Rings after? Yes. And Sauron poured so much of himself into the One because he desired domination of the Elven ringbearer's wills, and dominating the wills of others requires a great deal of power.

Sauron didn't sacrifice any of his 'power' to make the ring and he didn't lose any of it when the ring was no longer in his possession.

Sauron and Saruman were both trained in smithing by a Valar name Aule. The same Valar that created dwarves. So they had the same “master” you could say while they were in valinar

It's quite certain that Saurman's ring would have been connected to the One Ring as the One Ring was specifically made to make the rest of them it's subjects. Think of it like a pack of wolves, where the One Ring is the alpha of the pack (because Sauron put all his power into it). Also, as for what would happen when the One Ring is destroyed we can assume again with some good amount of certainty that Saruman's ring also lost it's power. Look at how he was reduced to living in a Hobbit hole in the ground commanding a few ruffians. Not the kind of thing a man with that kind of ring power would be doing. He was at the very bottom of his power. Let's also remember that Saruman, while a Maia, was no where near as powerful as Sauron and was still confined to his mortal and old body and went to middle earth already nerfed. It's nothing complicated like you suggest about making the Ring in a certain location. There's absolutely no way that he would have been able to make a sufficiently powerful enough ring like Sauron did.

@@DigitalSystematic Another difference between Saruman's ring and other rings of power is that it was made after the One Ring. Since the other 19 power rings were made before the One Ring, it is a conscious move that they were linked to the One Ring made later. In other words, the One Ring was made last so that the others would be bound to the One Ring. Now, in this perspective, whether Saruman's ring will be connected to the One Ring or not is a point that still needs to be examined. With this logic, every ring made with this teaching after the One Ring must be connected to the One Ring.

@@TarMody Fair question but we must also take into account that Sauron made the One while he was unaware of the ones the Elves had made, and yet it could dominate them. And so we can apply that same logic even to rings created afterwards - despite Sauron not having a hand in creating it, it can still make them its subjects. I think the Wolfpack analogy works well again here, where as long as the One is the ‘alpha’ it will always be able to dominate those lesser rings.

​@@DigitalSystematic elfs rings dont give a 💩 of alfa ring this is reality of tolkien lore

@@TarMody The enabling tech standard was designed by Sauron with a back door enabling root access.

I think that's a tantalizing possibility... that he DID put (some of) his essence into it, so that he would not be permanently weakened by "death". Saruman, like Sauron and the Balrogs, were Maiar. The fact that the Balrogs 'died' confirmed that Maia bodies could be destroyed, and their spirits unable to reform into corporeal entities again. Confirmed, as much as anything we can conclude from Tolkien's works. Luthien and Huan almost killed Sauron in the First Age, with Luthien telling Sauron that his naked spirit would have to slink back to Morgoth and suffer his scorn. Sauron later takes up Ringcraft, and seemingly solves this dilemma. After forging the One Ring, he suffers "death" at least twice- the fall of Numenor, and in combat with Elendil and Gil-Galad. Both times he could regain shape. Quickly after Numenor, as his spirit returned to Mordor and took up the Ring. Millennia after losing at the end of the Second Age, as he never physically reclaimed his Ring... but nonetheless he had done so. Movies aside, the books indicate he had taken shape again. Gollum even says he only has 4 fingers on the Black Hand (but they are enough). That statement indicates Gollum had actually seen Sauron in physical form, and not just a fiery eyeball. Saruman does seem greatly diminished when in the Shire at the end, as though he had lost a great part of his essence. The breaking of his staff should not do that, it was more being cast out of the Order of the Istari. One could speculate that his minor essay into Ringcraft, modest in comparison to the One Ring, still served the purpose of housing his essence safely- which could be of vital importance. In a game, it would be like setting a save-point. He could then hide his own ring safely somewhere (especially after being on the losing end of the battle with Rohan, and of more importance, out of the favor of the West). He could then wander off and "get killed", as he does... and fall off the radar entirely by the new ruling order of Middle Earth. At this point, he would need centuries, probably millennia, to reform; time for the Elves to sail West, time for Men to forget all about him. So when he does reform, he'd be anonymous. Free to do what he does best- persuade and influence the unsuspecting to do his bidding. He'd already learned both from observation and personal experience that openly declaring power simply invites war and paints a target on you. He'd also have learned that he could control Rohan easily from behind the scenes, just pulling the strings like a puppet master. If he did reform, the reasonable move would be to work in the shadows again. Middle Earth is supposed to be Earth in ancient days. Saruman was focused on technology, new manners of weapons, industry. Those factors have been the driving force behind each new empire or civilization that has become dominant in history. If "it's all real"- Tolkien's in universe assertion, sure seems to be at least circumstantial evidence that Saruman is back in business.

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No, Sauron did NOT learn ring craft in collaboration. Sauron guided and taught the Elves ring craft.

I think in the unfinished tales it's said that his hair was black when he first appeared and that it went gray. I'm not sure.

What?

In their incarnate forms they do age, only slowly