SCHOOL SHOOTER PARENTS PRISON-DODGE GASLIGHT COURT
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День томуAs James and Jennifer Crumbley awaited sentencing for their conviction for involuntary manslaughter, both sought to avoid jail.
Their son Ethan Crumbley is serving life in prison for the school rampage where four were killed and seven others were injured. The gun used was given to the teen as a birthday present by his parents. James, convicted of involuntary manslaughter, asked the judge for "time served" and Jennifer asked the judge to let her serve her time on house arrest in a guest house at her attorney's home.
Oakland County Prosecutor Marc Keast has recommended 10-to-15-year jail sentences for both Jennifer and her husband, James. While James was in jail, damning phone conversations surfaced in which Crumbley had allegedly threatened Oakland County Prosecutor Karen McDonald.
In a call from October 9, 2023, five months before the trial, Crumbley says, “Yeah, Karen McDonald, you’re going down. … Go ahead, record this call. Send it to Karen McDonald. Tell her how James Crumbley is going to f------ take her down."
In a call on December 23, 2023, Crumbley says “There will be retribution, believe me." The threats were bad enough that Crumbley's jail communication privileges were revoked during his trial. Neither received the sentence they asked for.
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@susiepoo51 17 днів тому
Sorry, but that’s child abuse. That charge should’ve been included.
@kk-ff5ld 16 днів тому
I just said the same thing
@cindiholland3250 16 днів тому
I agree 💯
@ashleybrock584 16 днів тому
Nope tell me what help the parents had available? Too help the kid. How do u know they gave the gun too him . The kid stole the gun they covered it up prolly no parent gives a kid a gun what help could this kid have got
@kk-ff5ld 15 днів тому
@@ashleybrock584 ummm did you NOT follow the case? Thybought the gun dummy!
@kk-ff5ld 15 днів тому
@@ashleybrock584 also parents have plenty of resources to get that boy help and they chose not to use them..PERIOD!
@colorbugoriginals4457 17 днів тому
My kid had to tell me ONCE that he was feeling depressed and anxious. He got help the same day. Why would you not want to help your kid not suffer? He trusted you enough to tell you! 😢
@colorbugoriginals4457 15 днів тому
@@grandmaida7819 You could say that about any neglect, if he was throwing up blood but maybe she was too anxious herself to get help. It can be a reason, a factor, but it is not an excuse for not getting your kid help when they CLEARLY need it and have asked repeatedly.
@StarkJerk 17 днів тому
Ethan was horribly failed. If he had better parents those children would still be alive and his life wouldn’t be down the drain too.
@susanwilson3424 17 днів тому
Jennifer Crumbley: "Can I just please spend the duration of my 'jail time' in the Bahamas with a cocktail in my hand?"
@That1EeveeFan2 17 днів тому
😂 The nerve!!!
@SOLDIEROFTRUTH1980 17 днів тому
@@That1EeveeFan2 i know right did she want black entitlement or something loool shes white ffs
@DreuThomas-tf2ts 16 днів тому
Riiight!!
@plantlady1557 17 днів тому
Look how pissed Jennifer looks in her mug shot…she looks that way because she is being inconvenienced. Both parents are EVIL!!!
@johntaeowens1248 16 днів тому
Exactly
@annemarie3140 17 днів тому
Since they've never had parents arrested for their child's crime before......they sure picked the RIGHT parents to set a precedent!!! Holy moly. Ethan's mother especially is EVIL.
@kathleenp9643 17 днів тому
Dads no picnic either! Did you hear his phone calls? Unbelievable. Just unbelievable.
@Oliveoil608 17 днів тому
Omg @Annemarie! He's scary! He's just a big baby! Creep
@DeeAnderson-oj2hr 17 днів тому
@@kathleenp9643Exactly! He rants and raves. He threatens to get even with the prosecutor! He's quite a fool.
@vakkerdame8557 16 днів тому
She is trash. Ethan didn’t stand a chance with parents like them.
@bonniejosavland3227 16 днів тому
I’m surprised the parents didn’t claim religious beliefs 😳😜☠️😭
@lisapriebe8796 17 днів тому
She cared more 4 her horses than SON
@April-xs9tk 17 днів тому
ALOT of mothers care more about their horses than their children. Doesn’t mean they deserve to be locked up.
@kirausamaria5409 17 днів тому
And going to bars after work and being with her lover.
@Angelfire. 17 днів тому
@@April-xs9tk She wasn't locked up for caring more about her horses dingus.
@catherinemitchell3721 17 днів тому
@@April-xs9tkGet real! Or get therapy...You OBVIOUSLY have zero insight& zero compassion.
@CarloBarrea 16 днів тому
What show are you watching , miss Horselover? Ain't no body said thàt !
@ScorpioDiva1112 17 днів тому
I was a former 8th grade teacher in Redford mi. I reported a student for a shooting threat and when they didn’t take me seriously i quit my job
@Sunset553 17 днів тому
How did you make money for living after that? Did you have sufficient resources to last until you found other work?
@Angelfire. 17 днів тому
Sounds like Michigan school system is broken!
@ScorpioDiva1112 16 днів тому
@@Sunset553what does that matter? Creep
@ScorpioDiva1112 16 днів тому
@@Angelfire.oh it definitely is!!!! Especially Redford and Detroit
@suzanneflowers2230 17 днів тому
This boy would have been raised better by anybody else, including dogs.
@Angelfire. 17 днів тому
Speaking of dogs, if that's how they treat their own son, I'd hate to see how they'd treat the family dog!
@signwatcher007 17 днів тому
I Don't know nobody ever gave me a gun for my birthday , how cool was that, i couldn't squeeze a cake out of my folks. and i resent both of them to this day for always forgetting me at 65, both cases will be tossed out, because the state will need to go after all parents for everything a kid does
@charlenetutt9413 16 днів тому
Dog moms are very attentive to their pups. They sacrifice themselves to make sure their pups are ok.
@January. 17 днів тому
"I didn't know." As a parent/guardian, it's YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO FIND OUT AND KNOW.
@kays6665 17 днів тому
Yes they punish you for not being a mind reader.
@markmiersma5045 17 днів тому
Please rewatch the video. It clearly explains how these parents took absolutely no responsibility for their child and were so wrapped up in their own lives to invest in their own son.
@patedwards8844 17 днів тому
"No, he just lived there as if he was our son & in our charge! The nerve of our mentally ill son begging for help!" 🙄
@kaycee8021 17 днів тому
Huh? they bought him the gun?
@kaycee8021 17 днів тому
Yes Parents do have a Responsibility. Or you can get arrested for neglect. Case in point
@mandychadwick8762 17 днів тому
As a mother I can not understand why her heart wasn’t aching when her son was begging for help. Clearly he was emotionally unstable.
@kathleenp9643 17 днів тому
🎯🎯🎯
@Candice-it7ek 17 днів тому
Selfish
@Angelfire. 17 днів тому
@Candice-it7ek And self-centered
@HEllis-qu5nn 17 днів тому
Because she is too busy trying to y make attention and getting laid. She doesn't give a crap how much pain her child is in.
@catrinag.9262 16 днів тому
She laughed in his face when he asked her for help. Smh
@Daisy-fw4dh 17 днів тому
I don't understand how the school wasn't responsible. They seen these drawings before and didn't take it serious.
@maccar2761 17 днів тому
The good Ole boy system. Police and school holding hands.
@roxiewatters1161 17 днів тому
They should have sent him home as a mandatory suspension and refused him back until he was medically cleared to return!!
@jenniferlatham6935 17 днів тому
The school did call the parents in, had a meeting, and requested they take Ethan home. Parents refused. Had the school been aware Ethan had a gun the parents bought for him, I'm sure they would have done things differently.
@patedwards8844 17 днів тому
It's the parents that didn't take their son seriously. Quit insisting institutions be responsible for every parents duty
@jeanbeans7926 17 днів тому
What?? Parents like these can be IMPOSSIBLE to talk to or to deal with. That's how. They are often in total denial and unwilling to do anything the school recommends, probably to the extent of threatening to sue the school for sending their kids home.
@barbarabrooks4747 17 днів тому
This kid had signs of psychosis. How could the parents not notice?
@MB-gl6tt 17 днів тому
Sounds like they were drunk and all self-consumed, all the time!!
@heatherriley7274 17 днів тому
I want to know what took the school so long as well
@colorbugoriginals4457 17 днів тому
He literally asked them for help! They completely failed him and every victim and their loved ones.
@CJK78 17 днів тому
They chose to ignore it & focus on themselves instead.
@mkader2494 17 днів тому
Those drawings and doodles are something else:(
@kimfrenken9239 17 днів тому
I am sorry but if the school saw those pictures then he should have been suspended and made to leave school. I am not saying the parents aren't responsible. The school was the last avenue of protection and they should be the next to be held liable.
@kathiewool4292 17 днів тому
There is a suit against the school too
@gwynhyfer 17 днів тому
But what would they have been sending him away to? His parents still wouldn't have bothered about him but he would have had a gun and presumeably found other victims. From watching the trial it seems as though the school counsellor asked if they could do anything more and was told no. I also got the impression that they had the belief that Ethan was more likely to do harm to himself as they clearly recognised he needed intervention. If the parents had said he had access to a gun then maybe the school would have had more cause to act - and certainly every reason to report. I'm not excusing the school - just pointing out that that they weren't armed with all the knowledge the parents had.
@patedwards8844 17 днів тому
The parents, as parents refused to raise their own son
@pinkrubix 17 днів тому
A judge has ruled that the school CANNOT be held accountable, unfortunately. I don't know if that extends to individual people being sued or prosecuted as individuals, but I wouldn't be surprised if it does. It's ridiculous. The school absolutely should be held accountable, as well, as they were also grossly negligent imo.
@jeanbeans7926 17 днів тому
Yes, in theory, but did you ever try to deal with this kind of a parent as an educator, omg, they are in total denial and extremely rude and non-responsive at the very least, it is not the school's responsibility to raise or to police our children. Parents are falling short. Period.
@optimisticcosmic 17 днів тому
Neglect often flies under the radar but it's just as powerful and consequential as abuse, sometimes even more damaging.
@user-cp9ye1si4m 17 днів тому
True
@suzanneflowers2230 17 днів тому
You are right. Thank you.
@jackiepowell7513 16 днів тому
Kids know, too.
@DrunkComments 17 днів тому
She had 4 horses. Yet Ethan did not have 1 therapeutic outlet.
@maryconte4474 17 днів тому
Ethan Crumbley is a victim as well. He was begging for help and he got no help at all. I think the jury got it right. All those precious young people who died. It is heartbreaking. In this case the parents should have been held accountable.
@ScorpioDiva1112 17 днів тому
He was not a victim
@whendis.roberts9903 17 днів тому
He was a Victim of horrific neglect and No love. He's a Child. Remember that. A Child. He has been neglected his entire life. He has not had the love he needs to be Strong and Healthy.His Parents are sick so that will affect the Child obviously. Plus he was drinking Whiskey and Alcohol abuse is Horrific for you The Mind ......Body and Spirit.... Especially for someone who is depressed already. Alcohol is a depressant. Duh!!!!! His Parents bought the Booze and they had to have known he had Alcohol in his room. His Mom having an affair and other things I'm sure affected his Mental health. He was crying out for help. The Demons got ahold of him.......His Parents should have been better and they should have tried h
@lovepet4565 17 днів тому
He was not a victim But a neglected kid/ teen That had serious Evil intentions Read his journal
@Angelfire. 17 днів тому
@ScorpioDiva1112 He needs to be held accountable for what he did as well, but he is most definitely a victim of child neglect by self-centered parents who love themselves more than him.
@Angelfire. 17 днів тому
His journal entries show a mentally ill child who was on the brink of psychosis who asked his parents for help. He needs to be held accountable, too, but he is absolutely the victim of terrible parenting.
@christianward-nisbet8833 17 днів тому
My eldest son had anxiety attacks and I didn't understand what he was going through, but I took him to a child psychologist and once on medication he was able to function. JUST LISTEN TO YOUR CHILD.
@mariap.9240 17 днів тому
And I guess you haven't bought him a gun.
@markmiersma5045 16 днів тому
Amen to that!!!! I suffer with Anxiety attacks myself. My prayers go out to your son!?!
@maryconte4474 16 днів тому
I agree. When my eldest son was in High School his teachers called me to the school because of some disturbing writings. I left work and took him to the doctor that same day. The doctor evaluated him and determined he needed to be hospitalized. He was transported to Havenwyck that same day. He was diagnosed with schizophrenia and has been on medication ever since. He did finish High School and he is now 46 years of age and doing well. I am so glad I got help for my son. I thank the good Lord. Parents please listen. I believe the outcome for Ethan would have been so different had his parents got the help he so desperately needed.
@michellelee1123 17 днів тому
I live about 45 minutes from Oxford, driving there was always like driving to the country so when I heard about this school shooting, I couldn’t believe it. I am glad Justice was served, but something that sticks in my mind is the dean of students saying how heavy the shooters backpack was-knowing the kid was drawing images on his math paper. Why didn’t he look in his backpack? This could’ve been prevented!!
@thebella422 17 днів тому
You're so right! I agree 💯
@Tatti349 17 днів тому
Agreed
@patedwards8844 17 днів тому
Why did the parents ignore their kid and let it get this far.
@Candice-it7ek 17 днів тому
I'm minutes away from the school. You are right it's country area where you wouldn't expect something like this to happen. Unfortunately tho bad things are happening everywhere these days
@ScorpioDiva1112 16 днів тому
Michigander here!!! I quit my teaching job in Redford because so many shooting threats were made without it being taken seriously.
@fairymagic697 17 днів тому
It’s just straight up child abuse!
@youtubegirl149 17 днів тому
Most murderers have parents who ignored signs and were bad parents….
@SilentThundersnow 17 днів тому
This case is different. That's why the parents are being held accountable, unlike the others. Actually great parents have raised murderers, terrible parents have raised great humanitarians. But these were intentional acts of gross negligence to a child that is showing severe signs of mental illness, and instead buying him a killing machine and teaching him how to use it. Then they left out for him. You have to try pretty hard to be as grossly negligent as Ethan's parents. This isn't your regular 'neglectful parent.' Most parents don't make the killing easy to happen for their kid like these did.
@Mia_____________ 17 днів тому
Not true.
@little.heathen 17 днів тому
Ted Bundy had a great childhood and look how he turned out. Not all murderers have bad parents
@signwatcher007 17 днів тому
IT isn't always very easy to understand kids, I Have two one my oldest is a doctor, my daughter is a pharmacist, at 65 i hurt all over my body , age i guess, i don't know for sure i haven't seen a doctor in 20 years, it might be nice to maybe get a check up and something for the pain, they have no school loans , how quickly they forget us. Both cases will win on appeal, what if my daughter gives the wrong meds killing someone, will they be coming after me? or my son gives the wrong advice or wrong treatment, causing wrongful death will i go to prison or be sued? both cases will be tossed out.
@catherinemitchell3721 17 днів тому
@@SilentThundersnow100% agree
@elainecongo3827 17 днів тому
THESE PARENTS FELT SO STRONG THAT THEY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SHOOTING THEIR SON DID BUT THEY TOOK MONEY OUT OF THEIR ACCOUNT AND WAS READY TO FLEE TOWN....INNOCENT PEOPLE DON'T FLEE TOWN..... AND WHAT KIND OF PARENTS WOULD LEAVE THEIR CHILD WHEN THEIR LIFE IS ON THE LINE....SAD!
@lisadavis9535 16 днів тому
they took his money as well.
@TradeWynn65 17 днів тому
The precedence has been set.
@amy-leigh7126 17 днів тому
The jury got it so right. They should have helped their son, this could have been avoided. The four victims parents have a life scentance while these a s s hats deny, deflect and disregard the victims. They should have got longer! Don't feel sorry for the crumblys they aren't the ones who lost their child
@youtubegirl149 17 днів тому
Can’t you sympathize with multiple families at once?
@amy-leigh7126 17 днів тому
@@youtubegirl149 personally I sympathise with the four families who's children died. I can't sympathise with parents who ignored their child and his issues and his cries for help. I don't understand why people are so worried about it. If they don't want to be in this position it's simple, look after and listen to their children.
@amy-leigh7126 17 днів тому
@@youtubegirl149 I can sympathise with multiple people. I just won't sympathise with parents who blatantly ignored their child
@Angelfire. 17 днів тому
@youtubegirl149 Her comment implies sympathy for the families of the victims, which would be sympathy for multiple families. The Crumbleys don't deserve jack sh!t.
@maccar2761 17 днів тому
What about holding people from the school accountable? They are mandatory reporters and didn't report what was going on to the police.
@deeallen3880 17 днів тому
Those pieces of shit both counselor and Dean should be in prison AsWell!
@maxbang1813 17 днів тому
There are cases pending
@plantlady1557 17 днів тому
I agree, after what the school saw Ethan had drawn and written they should have called the police really or at the very least forced the parents to take him home and get him help. I heard at the end of the school meeting, Jennifer said “Are we done here?” Disgusting!!!!!!!
@wendydrake8484 17 днів тому
I work at a school. In the same state it is a requirement of our school to always check backpacks. Students threaten all the time. Some of them were checked with wands(metal detectors). And this is a special needs school. School also needs to be accountable. Nobody says his name so he gets no recognition like he wants. Parents r pos.
@Angelfire. 17 днів тому
@plantlady1557 Exactly! Surely the school could have told the parents he posed a danger to the other students and they were to take him out immediately, and he was not to return until they provided proof that he was in treatment!
@vivienblignaut7959 17 днів тому
I am a teacher, and it never ceases to astonish me how parents like to shift their responsibility in raising their children on the school and society. I am so pleased to know that at the very least this should be a reality check for many parents.
@Trobtwillis 17 днів тому
It's Dungeons & Dragons, Chess, and Backgammon, I tell you! It's that darned Kiss, Sex Pistols, and Lawrence Welk! It's American Psycho, Huckleberry Finn, and Heather has 2 Mommies! It's Natural Born Killers, Die Hard, and Harry Potter! That's why my kid don't act right! 😫🗯️
@pameversole5886 16 днів тому
Ms. Vivien, I agree 100%. The only thing I don’t understand is, even when his careless egg donor (mother) didn’t take him out of school that day…why didn’t the principal, vice principal, etc., call the police, CPS, ANYONE before letting him leave that office? Believe me, I’m not trying to blame them in any way (I use to volunteer when my kids were school aged) and I wouldn’t have turned that kid loose until an authority figure came to get him. 😢 Now that my Grandbabies are getting school aged, looks like I’ll be filling those volunteer packets out again! 😅
@maryconte4474 16 днів тому
I am grateful to my eldest sons teachers. They alerted me when he was in High School about some disturbing writings. I left work and went to the school that same day. I took him to the Doctor and I was advised he needed to be admitted into the hospital. He was later diagnosed with schizophrenia and has been on medication ever since. He did finish High School and is now 46 years of age and doing well. I am so blessed to have teachers that cared and shared. I thank God for them. My son is doing well now. I believe the outcome for Ethan would have been dramatically different had he gotten the help he so desperately needed.
@DreuThomas-tf2ts 16 днів тому
WOW they blame the school?!! Like 😮😮😮😮I'm speechless. Narcissism at it's finest my goodness 😢 this bothers me teachers have to deal with THIS also... Like y'all don't have enough on your plates?! Let's not mention not paid enough money to be teachers, part time parents, health educators, mental health professionals, nurses, the list goes on I personally think y'all should make no less than 100k a year. But y'all do this out of the kindness of your hearts ❤
@pameversole5886 16 днів тому
@@DreuThomas-tf2ts Apparently, you’re reading words that are not here. Maybe you should get checked out yourself.
@barb5606 17 днів тому
It’s hard to look past sons actions but I also learned how many times he was crying out for help. I can’t wrap my head around those parents actions.
@nahalayu 17 днів тому
Hi Nancy 👋 you and your panel are great! ❤
@lizw.4901 17 днів тому
The Crumbleys never disclosed that they had bought their son a gun when they were sitting at that school. They said nothing. I will never understand them choosing to hide that fact.
@9eyeswideopen 17 днів тому
These parents not only failed their child they weaponised their child, who was having delusions of killing someone with a gun, and they did nothing. Oh, that’s right, they bought him a gun and instructed him on how to use it. They do not deserve any leniency. Give them exactly the same attention that they gave their child. ZERO, NIL, NADA… this child was crying for help he did not understand what was happening to him but his parents did…
@tammihill1974 17 днів тому
What about the school being held accountable as well. They had him in and out the day of and before because of his actions
@susangilliam6400 17 днів тому
and they could have required he see a psychiatrist before returning to school..
@marieparrott7944 17 днів тому
The parents may not of pulled the trigger, but they certainly denied and ignored please from their son and others for help with his mental health…but mom was too busy with her horses and don’t know what dad was doing!! If they would of seemed help for him it may of been prevented, but they chose to purchase him a gun instead of a therapist 😢😢😡😡
@jeanbeans7926 17 днів тому
Ethan's parents were as selfish and negligent as they come. No sympathy for them.
@barb5606 17 днів тому
The mom was having an affair and was more into that and making time for him then helping her son. It’s unconscionable.
@thebella422 17 днів тому
It freaking blows my mind how heartless those "parents" are! Not one tear! Ffs, we have all cried for these poor children, I would be begging for the families forgiveness while I admitted what a 💩 job I did as a parent..
@mandyholmberg5106 17 днів тому
To the 4 families that lost their children I am so very sorry for your losses 😢💔
@Lourin911 17 днів тому
These parents IMO are MORE responsible then their son , for this crime. Their REFUSAL to Help their child caused this. The son needs to pay also, but Mom and Dad Failed EVERYONE!!! DEAR GOD HELP US ALL.
@carolsisti7203 17 днів тому
School has some culpability too. Everyone failed from parents to school administrators. Why not check his backpack at the very least ???? Blows my mind.
@paulatripodi7534 17 днів тому
That's what I don't understand...why no one thought to search his backpack, school administrators or especially the parents knowing they had just given him a gun.
@roriemarie2968 17 днів тому
I have 2 male children, one had difficulties when he was that age, you have to be vigilant. These people are culpable.
@personincognito3989 16 днів тому
Brave mama you are. I hope you both came out good on the other side. My child as a teenager was a challenge as well.
@Jess023 17 днів тому
I know for a fact i wouldn't leave my son alone after being arrested for killing children at his school. That says alot about them. And imo the school is also responsible then
@drintx5734 17 днів тому
This boy didn’t stand a chance at being a good person with these two ‘parents’.
@Candice-it7ek 17 днів тому
Sad to say he probably has a much better life now in prison
@AnneMarieBibby1966 17 днів тому
As a gun owner, I agree in this case the parents were negligent with their son and the safety and responsibility of owning a firearm. There has to be a line drawn, though. I don't believe every parent should be charged for their child's crimes unless the parents are negligent. Prayers to all the families who suffered because of this. Truly tragic.
@esdee878 16 днів тому
Every parent is not going to be charged. 🙄This would only apply to the most extreme neglect cases like this.
@Angela.M21 17 днів тому
I am Literally Sick to my stomach that these parents continue to blame the School. They take no responsibility for this being their Child and What they as parents should be responsibility for. As a parent you don't buy a Teenager a HandGun, PERIOD!!! You don't go hunting with a HandGun. They Still Don't Get It. For those that are parents, think the schools are responsible for your children, You're the Problem.
@loribee1234 17 днів тому
James Crumbley is a nasty bit of work, both parents let their son down !!
@SuperAnimelover100 17 днів тому
Yes he is but the Mother is WORST !
@kathiewool4292 17 днів тому
They emptied his bank account as well as theirs.the threatening calls were not alleged they happened.
@DeeAnderson-oj2hr 17 днів тому
James Crumbley threatened the prosecutor, calling her uneducated and this guy cannot even keep a job. He then acts like he's on the same page as the families of the victims. He claims in open court that he wants to know the truth, acting like he's one of the grieving parents of their murdered children. If i was one of the parents, I'd want to throw up.
@Anniepat2340 16 днів тому
How could these parents ever be allowed out of prison?? They are dangerous too!!!
@goanna2012 17 днів тому
Look at their eyes 😮,crazy look no empathy,no soul….
@darcymoon2109 17 днів тому
I’m here early, and I love you, Nancy! Never stop being you!
@waynefoote3781 17 днів тому
They got plenty of time to think about what they didn't DO!
@barb5606 17 днів тому
My heart breaks for the children and their families. I tear up everytime I thing of the victims.
@StarkJerk 17 днів тому
These guys, like Hannah Gutierrez, don’t take accountability whatsoever and fail to realise nobody is going to respect that.
@christianward-nisbet8833 17 днів тому
Thank you Mr. Moran for your service.
@gailwarnock2764 17 днів тому
If one of my Sons asked me for help like their son did several times my son would only have to tell me once and I take him to the hospital for emergency help I know their boy did a terrible thing but they could have prevented this tragedy by just listening to that poor boy who was crying out for help and they told him to suck it up , shame on them that boy did a horrible thing and all they are worried about is saving themselves shame on them they are responsible am so sad for those who lost their beautiful children and those that were wounded and may never recover from the trauma it is all on those pathetic excuses for parents and humans shame on them .
@mistyevans8160 17 днів тому
And why in the world is the school not liable legally since they are mandated reporters. Did they report this?
@barb5606 17 днів тому
The sons parents had so many times to intervene. The mom said she would not have done anything different that day. They are so selfish.
@janazimmerman5917 17 днів тому
Can their sentences be raised by how there acting in court?
@corey5860 16 днів тому
These “parents” are despicable. They could have prevented this horrendous outcome.
@vivienblignaut7959 17 днів тому
Nancy, you crack me up!😂 you have the courage to say exactly what the majority of us would love to say. Thank you! I love your passion and compassion 😢
@mikewolf3829 17 днів тому
They received the max 10-15 years which under Michigan law means they must serve at least a minimum 10 years before they are eligible for parole. If they don’t make parole after 10 years, they must serve the remaining 5 years. Given they’ve already served 2 years in jail, the minimum they will serve is 8 years.
@kimcircagirl474 17 днів тому
Horrific
@user-ge9cz7cn5r 16 днів тому
Ty Nancy for the update 😊
@kimcircagirl474 17 днів тому
Hey , Gentlemen on top left omg ,Crime Nation , Phenomenal Show!! Thankyou Jarrett 🙌
@amypendragon5129 17 днів тому
If the parents are to blame and the son has obvious mental health issues then why is he in jail for life? He is young and can be helped and rehabilitated.
@kweenz109 17 днів тому
He killed 4 people and injured several others. Too many victims. He can be rehabilitated, behind bars.
@nancyproulx2817 17 днів тому
Maybe they wanted him to do it thinking he will go to jail and they are free without a kid. Didn't think they would be charged also.
@panqnrae3968 17 днів тому
Im heartbroken for Ethan. That baby was let down by literally every person he reached out for. He didn't want to be a monster. Monsters are made, they aren't born that way. I wish he would have gotten a stent in a hospital indefinitely instead of put into a prison that is just going to hurt him deeper and deeper. He never had a chance and is still robbed of any dignity that baby has never had
@rebeccapriest3366 17 днів тому
Thank you
@user-so9se5qb8l 17 днів тому
You are the best Nancy Grace I love listening to your shows
@melissasnyder9452 16 днів тому
Thanks for speaking the truth
@user-ge9cz7cn5r 16 днів тому
This child was terribly failed by his parents !!!!
@vickeyhess247 17 днів тому
They should of gotten 10 -15 years for each count
@irinamcanally6539 16 днів тому
No.
@MarkPr420 17 днів тому
I just love the job that you do and how instrumental in getting people to know just how Evil other people can be and getting Justice for these families. You Are The Best!
@catherinewaymaster5245 17 днів тому
Sentence is 10-15 years. Minimum of 10 before possible parole. 2.5 yrs already served was credited. They will serve minimum 7.5 more minimum. No deals given. 👍🏻
@melissasnyder9452 16 днів тому
Totally agree
@AuntLALA 17 днів тому
I love getting here early. The person that edits her show leave us some cookies 😂 i catch them every now and then but Nancy pulls the video and edits it out when i time stamp them 😂 ❤ i love her sassiness. Thanks to the editor 👏 i see you 🥳
@user-vi3re9wr3o 17 днів тому
Parents only cared for themselves. This kid also is responsible but, the parents should have helped their son!!! This is a tragedy all the way around. condolences to all those who lost their children during this tragedy. RIP 😢
@kpac3089 17 днів тому
The school also dropped the ball. What red flags did they need in order to get help for this kid ASAP. Both the school staff and the parents allowed him to roam the halls after the meeting.
@gabegood8989 17 днів тому
it's amazing how many people just forget about the black mother(Deja Taylor) jailed for her child shooting a teacher.. everyone demanded she be jailed( but in this case MANY talked about the "slippery sloop"), so glad the book was throw at these two!! IMO Deja got off easy(thank god no one was killed), but lets be real this isn't the first time a parent was held responsible for their child committing a crime. If your underage child commits a crime that results in the death of another person DAMN RIGHT parents should be investigated (parents are and should be held responsible for their children, PERIOD!!!)
@panqnrae3968 17 днів тому
I agree completely. She was made to be a horrendous monster and these 2 vessels with no soul, are arrogant and disgusting. They are the poster people for parents that should have received his punishment. I believe he should have been tried as insane and put into a hospital. Prison is going to finish the job of this babies demise. I've never seen parental failure any deeper than this case
@melissasnyder9452 16 днів тому
Hold parents accountable
@Mia_____________ 17 днів тому
That kid wanted help. He was failed.
@luvmysnowful 16 днів тому
I just cannot understand why these people were charged. That child should have been responsible for his own doings. You know exactly what he was doing and the blame should fall squarely on his shoulders
@user-fi6dc8dw9f 16 днів тому
Hopefully other inmates will make sure they’re not walking out of prison.
@jenniferdeagustine1889 17 днів тому
Miss Nancy I really do not believe that Ethan deserves to be in prison for the rest of his life his life barely started thanks to his despicable disgusting parents I surely hope there's a way that yo can help that child get the help he needs in prison and maybe he could have some kind of normal life someday it's just not Fair I'm not saying don't punish him but he shouldn't be in there for the rest of his life when his life really did not even start those SO b's should be in there for the rest of their pathetic lives!!
@celticwarrior777 17 днів тому
Hes a pycopath hr shpuld never be let out ever
@angiehayes9625 17 днів тому
I 1000% agree, I am really upset with certain incidents such as this that are happening with kids this age and everyone wanting to put blame on that child first. Here's the thing, if all he knows everyday is that both parents didn't get along, one was cheating, one was an alcoholic, one cared about her "horses" more than anything, one ignored every cry for help from her child, she just didn't care. Then that child is going to assume that no one does care, and every and anything he does is going to be ok. Reality it just makes things worse than they ever need to be. The school hopefully, will be held responsible as well for their poor communication skills with him or his parents, or just in general the police. I'm sorry, I can't fathom everything. I'm not perfect but what I'm perfect at0 being the best Mom I can be, and if that's not being "best friends" with my kids, especially when children need guidance, protection and love.
@user-hd3gg8mc7w 17 днів тому
Their sentence was 10 to 15yrs
@Jess023 17 днів тому
Okay this is weird to me, Jen is staying at her lawyer's guest house?? Like how is that being punished? Its probably nice js
@loribee1234 17 днів тому
Her attorney one weird woman too !
@angiehayes9625 17 днів тому
Reminds me of how the Casey trial went, now she works for and with the lawyers that helped her get that "win", she knows what she did to that beautiful little girl. It's sad to hear excuse after excuse 😞
@carolgill6713 17 днів тому
No, her atty requested that which is the most bizarre thing I've ever heard. Jennifer Crumbly has been transported to a women's correctional facility in another county in Mich. James Crumbly to Jackson County Mich. I also add that Crumbly's atty was the most unprofessional flake.
@Jess023 17 днів тому
@@carolgill6713 well I'm glad she wasn't able to cuz that's bs
@Jess023 17 днів тому
@@carolgill6713 yeah her attorney was something else. Nutty 😜
@johnb6723 16 днів тому
Any case of negligence where death is a foreseeable outcome is straight up gross negligence. Period.
@momof1576 16 днів тому
What about the school staff who failed to search the backpack?
@sharinaross1865 17 днів тому
Punishment fits the crime.
@suheylaa1769 17 днів тому
🎯🎯🙌🏼 Spot on
@Steveo0547 17 днів тому
I bet he walked into jail trying to justify his child killing children and him being responsible I bet he got whopped no joke 😅
@karencollins2661 16 днів тому
Dad's evil too threatening the prosecutor
@ClaudetteManica 17 днів тому
Thank you, Nancy, for bringing this to our attention. The pain in the victim's mother's voice during her courtroom statement is palpable. It's disturbing to see how the perpetrator appeared mentally impaired, raising questions about why his parents allowed him access to a firearm. Their actions are bewildering, and they should face consequences alongside their son. Lauren's observation is spot-on; blaming the son while disregarding their own responsibility is unjust. The parents' negligence is appalling, as highlighted by Jarrot, the Pennsylvania homicide prosecutor. Just as they ignored their son's warning signs, they should not be shielded from accountability. The son orchestrated a shooting spree with chilling methodicalness, carrying out his plan to shoot and kill at the school. His actions revealed deeply disturbing homicidal intentions. Meanwhile, the mother was engaged in an affair while her son was seemingly consumed by a demonic influence. They ought to confine them together in a single cell and discard the key.
@louisehorn8983 17 днів тому
Nancy I wish you and your team could take over the Sebastian Rogers case. It has gotten out of hand. It's ridiculous.
@hdpro66 17 днів тому
Why are we not talking about the school's culpability here also?!? If they knew this was going on, WHY did they allow him to return to classes unsupervised and able to do this? Why didn't they go through his locker, backpack, etc?!? School administration has responsibility here also!
@Plataa420 15 днів тому
This is crazy
@cocosurgerow 17 днів тому
Parkland warned of this.
@grandmaudegazic8142 17 днів тому
Why are the injured people never pictured + spoken of? It is so hard for all shot. Very sad+sorry for all victims Especially remaoning family❤😢
@TamRoc18 16 днів тому
I'm from Southeast Michigan, this is a tragedy. I'm praying for everyone that has been affected by Ethan. 🙏💔❤️
@sandrabaker5298 17 днів тому
WHY weren’t they charged with conspiracy to commit???
@decmagnet2072 17 днів тому
Every one of the deceased were absolutely beautiful kids. It’s heartbreaking 💔. Prayers to the families. 🙏♥️
@loriecates846 17 днів тому
The big problem is the the parents not having any remorse for the victims! Smh.
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