SRAM Rival AXS Vs. Force AXS | What’s The BEST Wireless Road Groupset?

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This video contains paid product placement for Freewheel. Sram Rival AXS or Force AXS, which is the best wireless electronic road groupset?
With the release of SRAM's more affordable Rival AXS groupset, we turn to our Senior Road Technical Editor Warren Rossiter to pit the new groupset against SRAM's more expensive Force AXS version.
For those of you unfamiliar with Sram’s nomenclature, Rival sits below Force, and Force sits below Red. So to simplify things, we have left out the pro level world of SRAM RED, to make a more focused comparison between these two groupset's.
Warren has tested both Force and the new Rival groupset, and in this video he will be drawing the comparisons between ride feel, price and weight before finally crowning a victor. So stay tuned for that later!
What would be your ideal groupset? Are you a die hard mechanical shifting fan? Or maybe you still prefer the likes of Shimano's DI2 or Campagnolo's EPS systems. As always, please leave your thoughts in the comments!
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КОМЕНТАРІ: 115

@bikeradar 3 роки тому

Would you mix your groupsets? Let us know what components you'd pick if you had the chance in the comments!

@chrisbenson_madeira 3 роки тому

Have a mullet setup now (eagle w/10-50 in back, force 1x axs in front) and love it. Performs amazingly well. The reviewer seems very concerned about looks. I'm more concerned about performance, adjustability and reliability.

@8paolo96 3 роки тому

@@chrisbenson_madeira reviewer is concerned with looks becouse they're almost the only thing that changes other than weight and price

@neandertaler3683 3 роки тому

All rival, force chain, red crankset. Done

@vongdong10 3 роки тому

Rival shifters and crankset, eagle rear derailleur and 10-52 cassette.

@josiah9008 3 роки тому

As a triathlete I would get the Rival front and rear mech and force tt shifters and blips. Can you do that?

@vlastikb 3 роки тому

So many numbers. Only if there was a possibility to see them for visual comparison.

@bikeradar 3 роки тому

We appreciate there are a lot of numbers here. This video will be featured in an article on BikeRadar.com, with all the numbers and detail, in the future. We'll provide a link to that once it's live. For future groupset tests we will try our best to provide the numbers in a table. Thanks for watching!

@joefenech6839 3 роки тому

I agree..graphics would have helped. I was shocked that you looked to have all the data committed to memory! I will read the article when available. Thank you for covering this topic. I am very keen to learn all I can about the Rival options and how they stack up wrt to performance, reliability , serviceability, and long term cost. Great Review👍👍

@detmer87 3 роки тому

This!

@russellbaker4256 3 роки тому

Put it in a table, rather than rattling off numbers at an incoherent pace

@cwd1232 2 роки тому

Great review! Really good insight into the system!

@macsdiving Рік тому

Helpful, it gave me the confidence to mix components - thank you.

@wademt 2 роки тому

I’ve built a gravel travel/bikepacking bike using a Ritchey Outback Breakaway frame. I have a Force AXS Wide groupset on it. I’m using mechanical disc calipers however (Paul Components calipers), because I need to split the rear cable to break down the frame for travel. I need the wireless feature to make breaking down the bike simple, so Di2 would not work for me. Right now I am a little past midway of my initial trip with the bike. I flew from Montana USA to begin riding in Thessaloniki Greece to Barcelona Spain. Now I’m in Torino Italy. I love the Force AXS. Shifting is perfect! The brake levers have gotten dinged up due to the rigors of travel. The rear mech has taken a beating too. I went down at slow speed to the limestone road in Zadar Croatia when I missed seeing a slight curb. After that my third cog wouldn’t work correctly, but an easy micro adjustment got everything back good or better than new. I’ve recharged the front battery once and the rear twice on this trip, and I always have a fully charged third battery on board. Picking between Force and Rival is a tiny issue to me. The bigger thing is that most people are still using cable actuated transmissions. AXS is better. Far better. In practice it takes a beating, it holds adjustment, it shifts crisply, and it does so wirelessly. AXS has also won me over from Shimano. I have had several Shimano and Campagnolo drivetrains, but i have become a SRAM loyalist.

@JamesSocialCycling 3 роки тому

Love the costs and the thought of mixing the best with budget sounds great too. Now do I add a new bike to my new Rival groupset😉🤙

@mattstorey7683 2 роки тому

Great review - fantastic detail. Thanks

@bikeradar 2 роки тому

Thanks for watching!

@thomasarnold6348 Рік тому

Incidentally, I just ordered a mixed Force/Rival groupset as an upgrade for my mechanical Gravelbike and went for almost the exact same mix as the one you suggested for the exact same reasons - Rival crankset and front mech for their better looks/accessability and Force for the rest due to the slightly better funtionality (fluid dampener on the rear mech, blip ports on the shifters. Thanks for this video since it assures me in my buying decisions! :D

@comedyman112 10 місяців тому

What's a cheap way to drop some weight from my full Rival groupset? Maybe Force cassette and chain?

@tonradar 11 місяців тому

Awesome video, you helped me so much! Thank you! =)

@cosinus_square 2 роки тому

The advantave of the Force crankset is that it is modular and you only need to replace what you need, not the whole thing swapping 2x to 1x or power.

@richycoles 3 роки тому

That Boardman looks very tempting. Also another Bikeradar video with Mr Rossiter “ripping it”

@honzakrcil7454 3 роки тому

Yeah I guess we are to see him riding a patch of dirt many more times. Rowdy.

@matthewlewis2072 3 роки тому

C+ BOTY. £2900 I think. Good looking (the bike, not Warren)

@matthewlewis2072 3 роки тому

A table would be nice! Overall weight, price...and how realistic is mixing it up, given groupsets are sold as a whole package? Well done to Warren for remembering the numbers, tho'!

@jamescam1430 Рік тому

Is there a difference in noise level between the two? Thanks for the detail review!

@joecondron2131 2 роки тому

Thinking of getting a Sram electronic 1X on my Marin Headlands frameset, curious about 1 thing, Can you use the Standard manual Force 1 chainring 11 speed on a 12 speed as???? I just think the Force 1 chainring looks better..

@callumb5279 3 роки тому

Great review. Please put all numbers being read out in a table for easy visual assistance.

@IdolOracle 3 роки тому

on such a data heavy video, it would be good to see the weight / cost etc in a table instead of the same old clips of Warren shredding some Gnar on that outrageous bit of X-treme off-roading. I liked the video though and interesting to see the conclusion of the mix-and-match approach. I guess it's a shame it would be very expensive to buy bits individually instead of the whole groupset when they're 50% off on whatever your online retailer of choice is

@bikeradar 3 роки тому

Thanks for the feedback! We'll do our best to include the information in a visual way for future groupset tests. Thanks for watching, from all at BikeRadar!

@markowsley4954 3 роки тому

I would have to go with force shifters as I want to add shifters to my aero clip on bars.

@pchlars5666 3 роки тому

If it comes to brakes, can I use Force or Rival Axs shifters with Apex 1 calipers?

@brendanmeyler1641 2 роки тому

Lol I run mix and match of Shimano alivio, Altus, and acera on my bike. Works great. Mix and match with group sets is a great idea as you can get essentially the same performance of a full higher end groupset at a lower cost. If the components come from the same manufacturer and are same number of speeds you shouldn’t run into many issues.

@elganadortv8912 Рік тому

I have Force eTap AXS without crankset...i plan to buy Rivel Crankset AXS w/power meter...It will work?

@millermiller75 3 роки тому

You’ve got the best frame color in the game.

@henriquebf 3 роки тому

Great and detailed comparison. How did u record all those numbers? :)

@bikeradar 3 роки тому

Warren's brain has an incredible capacity for anything bike related!

@anthonyeaton778 2 роки тому

I own the Rival AXS groupset and I personally think I would like to get keep everything Rival except the crankset. Having said this I would rather upgrade to the Red crankset/power meter. I think the Red crankset is a work of art and would save a significant amount of weight in the process. That's my only disappointment with Rival is the cast aluminum crankset. It looks nice enough when new but starts to get blemished easily with the shiny aluminum under the thin black paint. At least carbon cranks would just show a small rub mark. Outside of the crank I personally love the Rival groupset. Shifting is just as fast as anything else I've tried and the hood shape fits my hands extremely well. My brake calipers have never rubbed and are as responsive as I can expect out of disc brakes.

@tinglydingle Рік тому

For touching up your cranks, some sticky vinyl cut to size can refresh their appearance quite nicely

@ADiSI75 Рік тому

totally agree! I don't like the rival crankset at all, as soon as I get the chance I'll take a force crankset

@Your_Paramour 3 роки тому

I don't see a 10-33 rival cassette option on the sram website (or any local retailers). The sram site only lists a 10-30 and 10-36 option in rival and force has no 10-30 option but a 10-33 option. Is this an error in the video or have sram not listed the full amount on their site?

@grahamh3796 3 роки тому

From what I have read there is no Rival 10-33 cassette and assume he meant the 10-30 one.

@spooksy1982 2 роки тому

Had sram force axs on my previous steed, now full sram red axs. Great groupset.

@emilowo Рік тому

It would be so much less frustrating if prices and weights were listed on the screen. Cheers!

@JacobWilson 3 роки тому

If I went wireless I'd be using an eagle rear derailleur and an e*thirteen 9-50 for a Good mullet build

@stevemccrory9130 3 роки тому

For affordability and usability, it has to be Rival AXS. Blips are fine when you're chewing the bar tape on MV or Ad'H, but not many get to do that in their lifetime. The ride differences must be negligible, but the savings are greater. Oh, and I AM A SRAM FAN.

@davidnicholson6680 Рік тому

On a recent build, I went with full Rival AXS but swapped in a Force crank and Force/Quarq PM spider. There's really no functional difference between Force and Rival and the Force crank is much nicer looking, significantly lighter and offers true double-sided power.

@bigstein098 Рік тому

Doing the same on my new Aethos

@colecoleman1499 Рік тому

They dont make force in 160 mm..I would go for rival for that. More weight would translate to not flexing

@leskennedy 3 роки тому

Usually cheaper to get a whole groupset than bits and pieces ? Unless you're shopping bit by bit and waiting for sales ?

@einundsiebenziger5488 3 роки тому

Those are statements, not questions.

@Strange_Brew Місяць тому

It’s not a clutch on the Sram force derailleur but they call it fluid drive. I’ve owned over 40 bikes in my years and Sram IMO has leaped far ahead of Shimano. I still like Shimano chains, brakes and bottom brackets. I recently built a Sram Axs 12 speed 1X12 road bike and it is awesome. I had a di2 bike and sometimes a pain in the rear charging it. Especially when the battery is older. Sram batteries are cheap and I can keep a spare in my bike bag. I don’t really buy a group set. I just use the best parts available when I build a bike.

@andreasleucht 3 роки тому

If Shimano or Campa don't follow suit in this direction soon, things will be tight and SRAM will become more and more. Thanks for the video.

@bikeradar 3 роки тому

And thanks for watching!

@einundsiebenziger5488 3 роки тому

What direction other than wireless? If any, Shimano may lose a few points in market share, but they're so big, especially with low-budget components that it won't hurt them. Sram even gve up on gear hubs, handing the monopoly to Shimano. And Campagnolo, no matter how beautiful and functional their components are, are too small anyway to compete, they will stay a boutique brand with no footing in the OEM market.

@goltyx 2 роки тому

Sram 12 speed barely seems to wear at all. I did 7500 miles on a sram red axs chain and it wasn’t even at .5 wear. I ended up changing it anyway! But it definitely had a tonne of life left

@455LT1 3 роки тому

I'm seriously considering upgrading from 105 to Rival eTap. 🤔

@GeorgeD1 3 роки тому

At this point you could probably wait a bit and see if Shimano come up with en electronic 105 groupset... You will keep the bottom bracket, and might be able to keep the chainset and brakes, depending on the new configuration.

@455LT1 3 роки тому

@@GeorgeD1 that's true. But id rather change the bottom bracket versus trying to re-run cables Di2 through my integrated cockpit.

@daveoram7249 2 роки тому

You will need a new wheelset then. 12 gear Cassette is wider than an 11 gear cassette and it is unlikely the dishing of the wheel will accommodate a 12 gear cassette. You will also need a new freehub. I looked at converting my bike to DI2 but couldn't without drilling holes in the frame so looked at SRAM as it is wireless but then I hit the problem with needing new wheels (or rather a new rear wheel). Decided after looking at the cost that a new bike would be a better investment

@455LT1 2 роки тому

@@daveoram7249 I've already purchased the group. All that was needed was an XDR freehub, $100 and done. I'll find some grommets to plug the holes for the old derailleur frame openings. It depends on what you already have. If your rear wheel can take a different freehub, it should be an easy conversion.

@anthonyeaton778 2 роки тому

@@daveoram7249 I don't think needing a new wheelset is true. I am by no means a bike mechanic but was under the impression that freehub bodies would accommodate the 12 speed cassettes. It's not until you get down into 8 speed territory that your freehub body might not be long enough depending on how old the bike/wheelset is. Typically the smaller cassettes use bushings and just removing/adding the necessary bushing will enable you to run 12 speed groupsets.

@tomdwyer8634 3 роки тому

lmao, love the shade thrown at Campy there at the end.

@matthewlewis2072 3 роки тому

Odd, because Warren used to be a massive Campagnolo fan. But they need to catch up, quick.

@duffyrides 3 роки тому

Rival AXS with SRAM RED Carbon cranks . Thoughts ?

@einundsiebenziger5488 3 роки тому

Red are easily the ugliest cranks Sram has ever made.

@leonosbo Рік тому

Works.

@CochiTravels 3 роки тому

I have Ultegra mechanical on my daily road bike and had the chance to rent and ride across a few days and a few hundred kms a Force Axs equipped bike. Although of course the shifting performance and practicality is brilliant I didn’t find any massive gain compared to mechanical. However my next bike may be electric group set equipped just for the sake of bling 🤑

@edrcozonoking 3 роки тому

Having both mechanical and electronic and both Shimano and SRAM I'd pick Shimano mechanical. SRAM derraileurs shifting degrades over time and I've yet to find a real advantage of electronic.

@undulatus2 2 роки тому

@@edrcozonoking I just got a rival etap coming from an old ultegra mech... Using the etap is a bliss shifts softly and very fast and accurate... the ultegra works but needs alot of tune up since it is old and mechanical. So I dont see your point in saying deralleurs degrade because even mech degrades and I will argue it will degrade faster than electronic. At least I dont have to always tune up the electronic one

@julianschmidt147 Рік тому

I am amazed, the first time I used the Rival eTap AXS, I was amazed. The best ist the fast switching of 3-4 gears with one click. It is much faster and smoother than any Dura Ace I have ridden before.

@LOGICAL-JAY Рік тому

I totally agree..I have mechanical ultegra on my 2020 sl6 tarmac and my 2021 cervelo caledonia..I've road my friends bike w sram force etap for 2 weeks and i didn't see or feel any gains..I eventually went with shimano di2 on my 2021 S-works sl7 and haven't had a problem so far..I guess it comes down to preference..

@sambrown1779 Рік тому

Rival it is 👌

@byrondixon4648 3 роки тому

The thing that's kept my preference for Shimano is the belief that the drive train is more quiet. Does my belief have some truth?

@doudoukong9274 3 роки тому

Curious about that, as ultegra start to be a bit "old" compared to these sram axs, if it's only a legend or if sram is really louder/less fluid.

@bikeradar 3 роки тому

We think it's almost impossible to tell between brands. Choosing the right chain lubricant and checking your gearing is setup correctly on a regular basis will definitely help no matter what brand you are using. Thanks for watching!

@kubagajda7347 3 роки тому

It's the second video with b-roll shots of Rival having the hood rubber not all the way on. Grinds me' gears more than it should really. And it's a shame that with Rival there are separate crank options for 1x and 2x - I can't see this as a saving, neither for manufacturer nor the customer.

@PhiyackYuh 3 роки тому

Sram is about generating profit and nothing else. If shimano comes out with di2 105 then its game over for sram. All sram parts are basically more expensive than shimano.

@JayPin91 Місяць тому

Obviously if the rival is a lower tier than force how would it be better. Also force is more compatible crank wise

@TheOkinawaBoy 2 роки тому

This is the best comparison I ever seen. Im on a tight choice between cheaper ( although nicer) bike with Rival and one with Force. Force equipped will cost 900 euro more, 700 gr lighter and has integrated cockpit. Really don't know.

@juancamilorossoricaurte863 2 роки тому

how reset a group

@nelson2812 3 роки тому

My latest Bike is only available with Shimano or SRAM. At the time of purchase I really weighted the pros and cons of going with another brand than the one I’m used to (Campag). At the time I also wasn’t ready to spend an absurd amount of money on Campag EPS (since it exists only on SR form), so I decided to go SRAM Force. Big mistake! As the old saying states: “buy cheap buy twice!”. I really didn’t come to an understanding on how cheap feeling that groupset was. Noisy, clunky, slow, and “plasticky” are some adjectives that come to mind. Fortunately for me it seems that are plenty of people who don’t agree with me and I sold it very easily.

@Simon-df2ku 2 роки тому

im running force AXS and the bite point adjustment is pretty much useless.

@soulpuma 11 місяців тому

Rival with Force casette here

@janluca8872 2 роки тому

Ultegra mech ofc

@MrDrunkenMoose 2 роки тому

2:35 yeah on paper, but in the real world it's pretty much unusable on force. Even with the most aggressive contact point adjustment you can maybe get the reach adjustment 10% in, after that you bottom out the lever on your handlebar because of the fat shifter buttons. Absolute rubbish for smaller fingers.

@marty197666 3 роки тому

Force and it’s not even close

@davidalexander3352 3 роки тому

Too many numbers, why don't you put a taller that we can pause to check all the data?

@ritzk79 3 роки тому

should have made a rim brake model. i feel left out

@matthewlewis2072 3 роки тому

Have you got down-tube shifters, too? 🤣

@ritzk79 3 роки тому

@@matthewlewis2072 actually rim brakes were a thing until 2018, then the bike industry realized that people are willing to buy anything marketed well so they introduced disc brakes.

@8paolo96 3 роки тому

I guess your running tubeless, anyway ffor all the video I was so concerned about your rear tyre! It looks a lot underinflated!

@bikeradar 3 роки тому

We really rate using tubeless tyres as it allows for lower pressures and more comfort for our pot holed roads!

@einundsiebenziger5488 3 роки тому

... you're* running ...

@duanelusted3535 3 роки тому

@@bikeradar So you're running tubeless on that Boardman? With the same tyres that come mounted when the general public buy it? Or did you swap the tyres to go Tubeless? I ask as mine arrives Friday and want to go Tubeless straight away, but unsure if the tyres are TLR.....