Starved Teen Forced To Drink Hot Sauce - Killer Threw Up In Court Seeing Victim’s Final Photos

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@drewbot78
@drewbot78 2 місяці тому
Paul was sentenced to 30-100 years today, February 26, 2024. Thank God for that judge who wasn't fooled by either of those two EVIL MONSTERS.
@seasiiick
@seasiiick 2 місяці тому
wait, 30 or a 100 years? i hope it's 100 years for what he did. sorry, i don't really understand 😅😅
@BrownSugaBabe
@BrownSugaBabe 2 місяці тому
I think the way that sentence works is he’s to serve no less than 30 years and no more than 100.
@Greenfire714
@Greenfire714 2 місяці тому
@@seasiiick A Sentence of 30-100 years means At Minimum he will be in jail for 30 years, but after that He will be Eligible to receive Parole on good behavior. Parole is the Release of an Inmate who is deemed no longer a threat to society. Parole officers have routine check ins with the released person. Paul is Currently 21 years old, he will most likely not be released until he is At least 51, he may be denied parole which would mean his release is delayed. and at maximum for his crimes he would be in jail for 100 years, the average life expectancy of a US male citizen is 73.5 years (according to the CDC). with that said if he were never to be released on Parole he would be 121 years old when his sentence would be "considered" completely served,... but no prisoner has yet to live long enough to fully serve their 100 year sentence.
@diaryofarealmom3264
@diaryofarealmom3264 2 місяці тому
I thought he got no sentence for testifying?
@MommaOsoIrish67
@MommaOsoIrish67 2 місяці тому
Hallelujah!!
@ChloeTheJean
@ChloeTheJean 2 місяці тому
It drives me crazy that Paul felt he was being abused by his father.. but he couldnt see that the abuse he and his mother were inflicting on Timothy was 1000x worse
@jenmiranda13
@jenmiranda13 2 місяці тому
Exactly. Like either the father truly was as bad as Paul claims or he has a twisted view of what cruelty looks like (meaning that maybe fairly normal parenting for someone with many kids was deemed cruel but actual cruelty was seen as normal) I'm not saying that the father was a good parent. But I'm taking what Paul says with a grain of salt cuz it's possible that the father was a "strict" parent with some issues but not nearly as bad as Paul claims 😅
@paranoidpanzerpenguin5262
@paranoidpanzerpenguin5262 2 місяці тому
I'm guessing there was a good reason his father was so strict with him.
@mygoldenwitch
@mygoldenwitch 2 місяці тому
@@jenmiranda13 considering he threw a 15yo child with diagnosed AuDHD, sensory processing and bipolar disorder out onto the street, it's pretty safe to say he's a piece of shit. Of course, there are levels to the shit pyramid, and he's nowhere near the glorious top where the mother resides. It's also the US, so all that medication probably cost a decent bit--but Timothy wasn't even seeing a therapist, or it would've been mentioned, which considering his diagnoses and problems he definitely should've been. But therapists cost money, and their effect takes time and perhaps even involvement and actual *effort* from the parent, and we can't have that, easier to stick to just the pills. Poor kid...
@viperblackjewel3915
@viperblackjewel3915 2 місяці тому
Maybe he didn't develop empathy properly so can't see things from others point of view so only cruel when it happens to him...
@ChloeTheJean
@ChloeTheJean 2 місяці тому
For the record I do think the father was abusive. He used cruel and unusual punishments and it doesn't sound like he cared at all for Timothy or Paul. But it's super weird that Paul thought his dad was such an asshole but couldn't see that he and his mother were behaving the same way and so much worse.
@jesussaucedo8133
@jesussaucedo8133 2 місяці тому
UPDATE!!!! Shonda received life in prison without parole. Paul was just sentenced! He asked for mercy and compassion so that he "might learn" but that he'd still be sad that Timothy is gone. Judge Kacel sentenced him to 30 to 100 years!!!! (with 592 days counted as time served, but who cares) Judge stated "I think you're just as bad."🎉🎉🎉🥳🥳🥳
@jacquelyn1755
@jacquelyn1755 2 місяці тому
Thank you for the latest update,😊
@specializedchemicals6669
@specializedchemicals6669 Місяць тому
this judge is great. and possibly the first person to show timothy's soul compassion in a long time.
@losrin5447
@losrin5447 Місяць тому
“might learn” wtf
@emmie_lou_who
@emmie_lou_who Місяць тому
I saw people in the comments of something I just saw on Paul's sentencing complaining that the judge didn't honor the 9 to 15 years that was in his plea deal, saying it will discourage people from taking a plea deal. I agree with the judge the plea was to light for the crime.
@jesussaucedo8133
@jesussaucedo8133 Місяць тому
@@jacquelyn1755 you're welcome!
@Drea_A
@Drea_A 27 днів тому
The thought of the teachers stuffing Timothy's backpack with so much food just so he had something at home made me cry. Thank u to those teachers 😢
@truecrimeforlife
@truecrimeforlife 13 днів тому
I agree with what you said. How sweet, yet sad at the same time!
@susanmartin3762
@susanmartin3762 День тому
Why didn't the teacher tell anyone? They are mandated reporters! How could teachers NOT call someone?
@susanmartin3762
@susanmartin3762 День тому
Sweet teachers? They are "Mandated Reporters" for Chist's sake!! Teachers are required by law to report ANYTHING that looks "suspicious "...So... to his teachers thiught a little hungry, skinny, stinky boy with dark circles under his eyes looked "normal"? Oh I think his teachers should be held accountable! My God....
@Drea_A
@Drea_A День тому
@@susanmartin3762 they did report
@mcrose9067
@mcrose9067 День тому
​@susanmartin3762 you didn't listen very well or you would of heard the part where the teachers did call cps
@myriambowser5939
@myriambowser5939 2 місяці тому
Unbelievable. I can't believe that while he was actively DYING they kept acting like he was being a brat and faking it. Absolutely disgusting.
@strawberrytheturtle6968
@strawberrytheturtle6968 2 місяці тому
IKR????? This entire case was just disgusting!
@saigechadwick1045
@saigechadwick1045 2 місяці тому
They definitely knew and were just bullshiting themselves. So disgusting what people are capable of.
@zoe_dawg
@zoe_dawg 2 місяці тому
It was a drastically different experience for me but I had an @buser and she would claim I'm faking adhd, faking mental illness, faking panic attacks. Later she'd say her adhd was out of control that's why I yelled at her in secret
@imo7615
@imo7615 2 місяці тому
P a😊​@@saigechadwick1045
@sarahw7616
@sarahw7616 2 місяці тому
It's called the scapegoat role in a dysfunctional family system.
@bethanypryor9474
@bethanypryor9474 2 місяці тому
The only thing that made this bearable is hearing how that judge took absolutely no shit and used her own words against her. I just hope that the people in jail with them know what they did. Justice will truly be had then
@Myemail22
@Myemail22 2 місяці тому
Yes GP…
@melissamoonchild9216
@melissamoonchild9216 2 місяці тому
he is a good judge, I thought the same
@DarthYoungling
@DarthYoungling 2 місяці тому
I had no idea about this case before this video but randomly was recommended a video of the judge giving out his sentencing and even without knowing anything about this case I watched the whole thing. He really handed it to her. Glad there are good judges, after watching most of Rotten Mango videos you start to lose hope.
@fr0nk571
@fr0nk571 2 місяці тому
people in prison for crimes against children tend to really not have a good time in there
@katybug6572
@katybug6572 2 місяці тому
Facts.
@CerpinTxt87
@CerpinTxt87 Місяць тому
When she said "I'm sure y'all have seen a lot worse" and the cop just says "Okay..." I laughed out loud at how absurd it was
@truecrimeforlife
@truecrimeforlife 13 днів тому
That was a crazy moment!
@amryehiya6675
@amryehiya6675 6 днів тому
Timeline?
@ROHAo_o
@ROHAo_o 5 днів тому
​@@amryehiya667534:05
@princessmonkey3399
@princessmonkey3399 5 днів тому
@@amryehiya667534:05
@TheMomSHAR
@TheMomSHAR 2 місяці тому
I just want to say THANK YOU SO MUCH for naming her for what she is and not saying "killer mom" or giving her any title of a parent!!!! Shes a murderer not a mother.
@incrediblyjaded4756
@incrediblyjaded4756 2 місяці тому
absolutely. she’s a horrible excuse of a human being.
@truecrimeforlife
@truecrimeforlife 13 днів тому
I agree with what you said about her label.
@ChanChan-rw9sh
@ChanChan-rw9sh 2 місяці тому
AINT NO WAY HE SAID HE RELEASED HIS ANGER IN “the right ways” 😭
@pamtree4000
@pamtree4000 2 місяці тому
poor baby, timmy is in a better place now☹️☹️
@mirandajackson3437
@mirandajackson3437 2 місяці тому
This lol
@beentheredonethat30
@beentheredonethat30 2 місяці тому
The way he act and talk really make me thing he's not 100% aware! Cause it doesn't look like he's JUST trying to hide things like sometimes the way he talk make you think he really believed it was okay! Idk if they did a psychology test but he might have soome sort of mental problems! (Wich doesn't excuse any of what he did for sure!) And I've also been in a toxic and manipulative friend group where there was this one girl that was the boss and the things I did and said because I was scared of her is crazy! So it really make me think that his mother was also really toxic and manipulative! Cause like once they took your self esteem they can do what they want with you! But again at some point you realize! Like he had eyes and could see what was happening and his brother litteraly dying! So I think he's a bad person but that he also got manipulated in some ways! Idk if he needs to be in jail or in a psychiatric hospital but yeah!
@meozy4365
@meozy4365 2 місяці тому
​@pamtree4000 this case is extremely distressing as an older sister. I appreciate this comment so much, it's a nice reminder that he is no longer suffering.
@nudelz6014
@nudelz6014 2 місяці тому
@@beentheredonethat30I can see where you’re coming from. Fear does make you do irrational and crazy things. However, the thing that separates doing things out of fear and doing things because you’re evil is remorse. Earlier, when he mentioned they were roommates(at his biological father’s home),he expressed disgust and anger. He was resentful of Timmy despite knowing his mental conditions. That’s enough to tell me he knew what he was doing when he tortured him and even suggested ideas of torture. He enjoyed inflicting pain and misery on his little brother and only regretted that he died because he got caught. If Timmy was still alive now, the abuse and neglect would still continue. I have reason to believe that Timmy was everyone’s punching bag and he hated the fact that Timmy wasn’t their version of ‘normal’. May he rest in peace.
@TheBlackBadgeArmy
@TheBlackBadgeArmy 2 місяці тому
How was Timothy faking seizures. How was Timothy dying and Paul and his mom believed that he was faking it. That's just pure evil. Disgusting.
@mika-si7fu
@mika-si7fu 2 місяці тому
i think paul believed it, his mother did not. i do believe paul was abused, and while that excuses nothing, i do feel for him. he deserves to be in prison, but his mother is a fucking monster and she *knew* he wasn't faking it.
@funnlim
@funnlim 2 місяці тому
Nope. I think excuses unless Paul is a moron. Not about the seizures whatever but what they did to him. He knew.
@starcherry6814
@starcherry6814 2 місяці тому
Just like Sylvia Likens story These child abuse stories all have the same thing in common They convince themselves the starving child is faking it so they can "punish" them more for "lying"
@starcherry6814
@starcherry6814 2 місяці тому
@@mika-si7fu There is no easy answer. It just comes down to this. The abusers both Paul and his mom had dehumanized Timothy to the point where they tortured and taunted him for following his basic instinct Like w/ the pizza roll. They punished him for dare opening his mouth for food. He was hungry. "They didn't see him as human" These words feel so underwhelming to describe the abhorrent inhumanity displayed here in this case.
@emilybrucia1291
@emilybrucia1291 2 місяці тому
@@funnlimidk I heard that someone that went to school with Paul said he was a bully and he took pleasure in abusing his brother. Idk how credible the source was but I did see it somewhere
@savannah6566
@savannah6566 Місяць тому
I hope the inmates in prison steal her food and water from her. Still couldn't hold a flame to what poor Timothy went through 🕊❤
@ShawnCrigger
@ShawnCrigger 25 днів тому
I bet the women will give her a proper time in prison for a child abuser. People will find out the shit she did to her child. Maybe a CO will tell some of them, maybe there's a contraband cellphone but stuff like this always gets out in prison. And since there is nothing to talk about in there all you gotta do is let one person find out and the whole prison will know soon enough
@lillith8679
@lillith8679 17 днів тому
Corrections nurse here. Oh, they will definitely find out. Inmates are surprisingly motivated and resourceful, especially with child killers.
@truecrimeforlife
@truecrimeforlife 13 днів тому
I couldn't agree with you more!
@1c2h3e4u5n6g
@1c2h3e4u5n6g Місяць тому
I sincerely hope that the prison inmates show these two as much compassion as they showed Timothy, forever
@meagangrowe4488
@meagangrowe4488 11 днів тому
For life
@HappinessHarmony
@HappinessHarmony 2 місяці тому
As a mom with a non verbal child with autism, this absolutely breaks my heart for Timothy. Instead of the help and love he needed, she ridiculed, starved,tormented,and tortured him. May he rest in peace now.
@lunastar776
@lunastar776 2 місяці тому
I to, have a child that's nonverbal autistic, and I couldn't imagine anyone or anything hurting them.
@kumika6327
@kumika6327 2 місяці тому
My little sister has Down syndrome and the biggest fear of mine is that someone can hurt her and there won’t be anyone to help her and stand up for her. I continue to live just to be with my precious sister tbh. I can’t even imagine how a mother could do it to their child…
@lunastar776
@lunastar776 2 місяці тому
It's just downright sickening, I can't imagine anyone wanting to be this cruel to any child.
@melissacompton565
@melissacompton565 2 місяці тому
I am thinking the same thing. My son is non verbal also and I'm just crying hearing this story. This poor baby boy. This is absolutely abhorrent treatment of any human much less a child with disabilities. I absolutely cannot take it. I feel physically ill.
@CaseyMarie11-11
@CaseyMarie11-11 2 місяці тому
My 10.5 y/o is autistic and non-verbal as well. This case seriously makes me want to hurt people 😡 Shanda and even Paul are absolutely some of the most evil, demonic and vile people I have ever seen in my entire life and I hope Paul spends the eat of his life in jail as well..
@StarlahMutiny
@StarlahMutiny 2 місяці тому
That 'mothers' face is so so so hittable.
@melissamoonchild9216
@melissamoonchild9216 2 місяці тому
so peoples faces really do be like that
@Loretta716
@Loretta716 2 місяці тому
Where she's going others will probably feel the same!! What comes around goes around. Poor Timothy 😢 Bless his heart. 🙏
@sunitamosesesq
@sunitamosesesq 2 місяці тому
​ @Loretta716 Besides the fact that female prisons aren't as brutal as male prisons... I doubt she'll suffer too many repercussions from other inmates. She's smart, and she'll just convince others that she took the fall for her older son, who she'll say was the 'real' murderer.
@srose1088
@srose1088 2 місяці тому
​@@sunitamosesesq well considering most prisoners know people who fane innocents are usually lying, I hope they don't believe it. However, with her knowledge of the law, she will probably assist others with their legal cases and become useful.
@Loretta716
@Loretta716 2 місяці тому
@@sunitamosesesq That's true. You are absolutely right. Clearly she has no conscience either.
@caitallen1877
@caitallen1877 Місяць тому
My grandmother actually worked on this case. I'm not sure exactly what position she was in but she works in family court and she told me that she worked on this case. She told me that Shanda would feed him bread with hot sauce and that in court she told everyone that Timothy liked bread with hot sauce and people's response was "then why did you use it as a punishment"
@blondieb91390able
@blondieb91390able Місяць тому
It is so heartbreaking that Timothy lived his whole life never knowing love. Never knowing protection or warmth. I wish Timothy was saved so that he had a chance to recover, heal, and live a good life.
@pixiestxNyomouf
@pixiestxNyomouf 12 днів тому
He fought to survive despite their mocking every second of his young life. He never knew proper peace in life.
@captmena9728
@captmena9728 9 днів тому
​@@pixiestxNyomoufHopefully in the next life, he will be able to live a full life with caring parents and a happy home
@pixiestxNyomouf
@pixiestxNyomouf 9 днів тому
@@captmena9728 there is solace in that
@madethistocomment727
@madethistocomment727 2 місяці тому
I love the prosecuter. "Did it ever occur to you in your BRILLIANT legal mind......." "So that's gonna be in the 'I don't remember category?'"
@zarahjoyce5143
@zarahjoyce5143 2 місяці тому
I was just at that part when I read your comment lmao
@therecordholder
@therecordholder 2 місяці тому
@@zarahjoyce5143yo me too
@meepengs
@meepengs 2 місяці тому
And she's definitely triggered by that sentence.. you can see her expression changes immediately after the prosecutor said it.
@Amethystar
@Amethystar 2 місяці тому
She's probably not used to people seeing through her BS and calling her out on it. I bet he had to really retain himself from saying more.
@viniqbios_csat
@viniqbios_csat 19 днів тому
_(mother:) "I don't remember, I mean, I'll have to take your word for it."_ (Prosecutor:) "Oh no no you don't have to take my word for it let's play the video of it." I love this man
@TinkerLou
@TinkerLou 2 місяці тому
I remember when this happened and I found it beyond pathetic how the “mom” was wearing braided pigtails with crocodile tears only for herself. She is one of the people that the electric chair should still be an option.
@roline.c
@roline.c 2 місяці тому
More like The Code of Hammurabi
@GreebleClown
@GreebleClown 2 місяці тому
Thrown into an oubliette.
@Hambonehoven
@Hambonehoven 2 місяці тому
Weird time to mention her hairstyle
@nihirna
@nihirna 2 місяці тому
@@Hambonehovenit is necessary to discuss and point out hairstyles during trials. When there are female suspects, they often wear pigtails or braids in order to present a more innocent and naive look to the judge. See her reaction to the photos of her son? That is a display, a display of her innocence and “shock” to the judge. Edit: I am majoring in psychology to pursue neuropsychology. Narcissists and abusers are known to be well known actors and when they are called out, they try to appear innocent. What I also noticed is that she is not wearing makeup, and also her son. In the original mugshot, he was having a hairstyle that is often worn by people his age. But during the trial, he was having a haircut that is seen to be worn by younger people, specifically children.
@TinkerLou
@TinkerLou 2 місяці тому
@@Hambonehoven weird time to mention your ignorance
@Almanatrix
@Almanatrix 2 місяці тому
Her parental rights to her 7 year old were recently terminated. Shanda actually had the gall to protest the termination thinking she could "become a positive person in her son's life". She can have no contact with him until he's 18. I feel so sorry for that little boy.
@kembm
@kembm 2 місяці тому
It’s wild how your reenactment of Shonda talking to the police at her house was better acting than even she could do pretending to be sad about her child.
@suekate5813
@suekate5813 2 місяці тому
"He could have killed himself "he was on a hunger strike"while slowly torturing and killing her son and the nerve of fake crying is mind blowing
@Alicia-jl6ob
@Alicia-jl6ob 2 місяці тому
Right!! That's horrid!!
@desireeluvaul6257
@desireeluvaul6257 2 місяці тому
Its so fake like at first i swear to god she was laughing like in the first shot of her “crying” shes clearly smiling and laughing no real tears
@T_E_G
@T_E_G 2 місяці тому
​@@desireeluvaul6257 I was a little in between, but my gut feeling was suspecting something was just off about her crying, like it really wasn't genuine. The way it started to crumble as soon as she got in the house; absolutely disgusting
@DarkAngel2512
@DarkAngel2512 Місяць тому
It was clear she was guilty from that display. If I was police I'd be zoning straight in on her in the investigation
@truecrimeforlife
@truecrimeforlife 13 днів тому
I agree!
@abbyjohnson1702
@abbyjohnson1702 2 місяці тому
And none of her coworkers thought this was suspicious
@judyedwards7144
@judyedwards7144 2 місяці тому
Exactly what I was thinking 🤔
@RafaelNoriaki
@RafaelNoriaki 2 місяці тому
I think they did, but not to THAT extent. Like I already worked with some very toxic and difficult people but never crossed my mind someone doing something so horrific. I guess they thought it was wrong but didnt believe it was such a heinous crime.
@marturquesa77
@marturquesa77 2 місяці тому
What about school? Did he assist?
@lian2454
@lian2454 2 місяці тому
and why no one mention the dark web? I have a feeling that these clips have been seen by other people. I know that millions are being made by rich people or something similar on the dark web
@lordtette
@lordtette 2 місяці тому
​​@@marturquesa77 he was "homeschooled"
@akikashika
@akikashika Місяць тому
How DARE they have the nerve to have BIBLE verses in a house filled with disgusting actions like this I’m so disgusted
@meagangrowe4488
@meagangrowe4488 11 днів тому
We are in the same boat
@zookie3737
@zookie3737 Місяць тому
this woman really painted her 15 year old son as a villain in her mind, and she definitely doesn't seem like she even thinks she did anything wrong. the shame here definitely is that the justice was only brought after he'd already passed. so many people had the opportunity to save him, cps, her coworkers, paul who apparently 'loved his brother and hated what he was doing.' rest in peace timothy :(
@randomDuckTape
@randomDuckTape 2 місяці тому
Bless the judge for choosing not to release the photos of poor Timothy.
@HannahTinsel
@HannahTinsel 9 днів тому
I give that judge kudos. Timothy doesn’t deserve to be remembered the way they left him.
@adelaidemarie
@adelaidemarie 4 дні тому
@@HannahTinselimaginations will be worse
@alyssab420
@alyssab420 2 місяці тому
This is sickening. He is in a better place now, free from all the abuse. Kids deserve all the best in this world. She deserves that life in prison.
@redwolfdarkmoon5326
@redwolfdarkmoon5326 2 місяці тому
@alyssab420 why should death be the better place for children. That is why this is so awful
@caitchri2426
@caitchri2426 2 місяці тому
For every case that gets caught: there are hundreds more kids and adults facing this kind of neglect and abuse.
@GreebleClown
@GreebleClown 2 місяці тому
@@redwolfdarkmoon5326It isn’t, but it’s a damn sight better than remaining alive under her “care.” Of course the best ending would have been him getting rescued, but if we can’t have that at least his pain has ended and she isn’t getting away with it anymore.
@user-wx3ft1np3p
@user-wx3ft1np3p 2 місяці тому
​@@redwolfdarkmoon5326reading comprehension is important. Why did you take it what was said literally?🤦🏻‍♀️ Learn to read. Context is important in this.
@redwolfdarkmoon5326
@redwolfdarkmoon5326 2 місяці тому
@@user-wx3ft1np3p you aren't exactly being clever enough to be abstract say what you mean
@ceceliamurphy396
@ceceliamurphy396 Місяць тому
I wish i could give poor Timothy the biggest hug, poor baby, what a miserable last months of life. Those people are pure evil
@mun3698
@mun3698 Місяць тому
I share the same sentiments 😕
@madsx6438
@madsx6438 Місяць тому
Hearing some of the same "punishments" this poor kid was subjected to and remembering so clearly that my siblings and I faced the same shit (heavy on the wall squats, I was up there for an hour at a time, or until my legs gave out) did a lot to help hold my own parents accountable. I hope no one who grew up thinking this treatment was normal or deserved grows up to do the same. Wishing us all a very "healing from the things we never got apologies for"
@mun3698
@mun3698 Місяць тому
I wish nothing but healing and peace for you and your siblings ❤
@NormalBirdLady
@NormalBirdLady Місяць тому
From one now grown-up, formerly mistreated child to another, I feel you. So, so much, I feel you. 😭
@XxDanielaxX
@XxDanielaxX 24 дні тому
I'm so sorry you had to go through such horrible things. 😢 Wishing you and your siblings all the best ❤🙏🏻
@shqipe4801
@shqipe4801 18 днів тому
Sending you hugs, my love. I wish you proper healing and a life full of peace and happiness ❤️.
@stopthenonsense123
@stopthenonsense123 2 місяці тому
Her STRAIGHT UP DEMONIC TEXTS are being read in court... and she's STILL fake crying acting like a "grieving mother" 🤨 as if ANYONE in that court room, including her own lawyer, is falling for it. Tf. It's like these people were literally living in their OWN hellish world. Too far gone to even realize how evil and sick they are. The fact she was EMPLOYED by the same courthouse the entirety of the crime... is the biggest twist in this story.
@noinflouencer
@noinflouencer 2 місяці тому
She still thought she’s smarter than all of them. Narcissistic
@jazr3451
@jazr3451 Місяць тому
Totally agree but... She's not fake crying, she's realizing how bad the evidence against her is...
@specializedchemicals6669
@specializedchemicals6669 Місяць тому
​@@jazr3451fake crying or not, it's all for her. she feels nothing but remorse for herself. what a monster.
@Grimlooper
@Grimlooper Місяць тому
@@jazr3451 She believes she did nothing wrong so, I think the tears are fake to a certain extent considering they’re only for her loss of her freedom, not the loss of her own son’s life. she’s not crying because she hurt Tim. It’s cause she got caught and now has lost her freedom and ability to control/make her victims. So, that is fake to me. She is fake and using tears to garner sympathy.
@jessicahuntley90
@jessicahuntley90 Місяць тому
100 percent demonic. Only way to describe it.
@lovelybonee2000
@lovelybonee2000 2 місяці тому
Paul should've gotten charged with murder. With the text messages and video that was more than enough to convict her with out making any type of deal. He was just as responsible in my eyes.
@kimberlysamuel6636
@kimberlysamuel6636 2 місяці тому
I 100% agree
@bellagiancola4952
@bellagiancola4952 2 місяці тому
Agreed. He was a willing participant to his brother's abuse. He should've been charged more. Screw Paul.
@jasmindisney8787
@jasmindisney8787 2 місяці тому
I think he is evil, but maybe also a victim? Who knows how much she psychologically abused him, he may have not known up from down
@lovelybonee2000
@lovelybonee2000 2 місяці тому
N​@@jasmindisney8787yeah he evil but I'm sorry babe but I don't see him as a victim. It was the text messages, the interrogation, even the testimony had me.
@whitneyriegelsberger5761
@whitneyriegelsberger5761 2 місяці тому
@@jasmindisney8787 He made the journey from victim to perpetrator. He can get therapy in PRISON.
@its_sarandipity
@its_sarandipity 20 днів тому
You know what's so fucked up, his dad said she could either take him or he'd end up in foster care! If she was so fed up, she could've kicked him out or gave him up to foster care... But no, she chose torture and abuse.
@Spicynails_essex
@Spicynails_essex Місяць тому
Before you mentioned adhd and autism I knew timothy had it from the behaviours you were explaining. My son has autism, adhd and spd and is considerably more vulnerable than other children because he doesn’t understand the world like a neurotypical. It hurts so much to hear someone could hurt one of these special children, let alone by their own family. I will revisit this when my mental health is better, I really hope Timothy gets justice 💔💔
@meagangrowe4488
@meagangrowe4488 11 днів тому
Me to
@Katie38689
@Katie38689 2 місяці тому
the fact that the abusers claim they didn’t know he was so bad is an absolute disgusting lie. Any normal person who saw him would have called an ambulance immediately. Which is why they hid him away.
@Katie38689
@Katie38689 2 місяці тому
@@Dm_on_T.elegram_YT_RottenMango I don’t use social media I wouldn’t know how.
@kirstinpaige2566
@kirstinpaige2566 2 місяці тому
Wait, when does the prosecutor accidentally do this?
@Lesbian-panic380
@Lesbian-panic380 2 місяці тому
How did he accidentally show the picture??
@u3ix_ii
@u3ix_ii 2 місяці тому
.
@donuts_jessica6544
@donuts_jessica6544 2 місяці тому
Really??? I want to see it, please provide the time stamps of this video where the photo is shown.
@AlinaU56
@AlinaU56 2 місяці тому
is it only me who finds judicial system extremly unfair? She gets to eat plenty of food, buy extra food if she wants something specific, chat with her fellow inmates, watch tv in a warm cell, shower with warm water... things her son never had. And you call it fair? The world where offenders live better lives than victims?
@thisisvoided
@thisisvoided 2 місяці тому
If it makes u feel better, child abusers usually get bullied in prison. Especially in a woman's jail? Where most are mothers who miss their kids?
@jasminekennedy4774
@jasminekennedy4774 2 місяці тому
US prison actually sucks; it's awful.
@westernohio
@westernohio 2 місяці тому
US prisons are terrible, the food shes being served is probably borderline inedible, im sure her cell is either way too cold or incredibly hot. she will be living the rest of her life in misery
@S.wallowdeznuts
@S.wallowdeznuts 2 місяці тому
Most women prisons take their own justice when it comes to child abusers. Prisoners have a code dont mess with children. Most prisoners do not tolerate child abuse. As weird as it sounds.this woman won't go unscathed
@nicolewills2448
@nicolewills2448 2 місяці тому
It's because our prisons are "soft" because criminals have rights they take from others
@nanagoose
@nanagoose 2 місяці тому
Hearing him call out for help broke me. I am SO glad I watched this video, because the first one I saw totally depicted Paul as innocent. The poor boy was DYING. And they were shit talking and abusing him until the very end…
@MilfLvr420
@MilfLvr420 2 місяці тому
A social worker needed to have been involved in Timothy’s life the second his teachers described him as having no one who loved him. Horrible oversight, that poor poor baby
@yamama69966
@yamama69966 2 місяці тому
the fact that she has the nerveeeeee to gag and throw up showing the pictures when she saw him every. single. day.
@damien678
@damien678 2 місяці тому
RIGHT????
@sasori2425
@sasori2425 2 місяці тому
100% she more than likely stuck her finger down her throat. She literally saw him dying AND moved his body and didn't throw up then. Nawl.
@massivel
@massivel Місяць тому
saw him from 20 different angles for 12 hours at a time, while he only wore an adult daiper. even watched him while she was at work smh
@jayda.jabbers
@jayda.jabbers 14 днів тому
she obsessively watched him at work, no wayyy she was shocked at all at how he looked
@fleetwoodmacncheese4159
@fleetwoodmacncheese4159 14 днів тому
The...vomiting... isn't actually shown here, is it? I know that's the least of this awful story but I'm irrationally freaked out by seeing others puke so I can't watch if its shown. It's the look on the puking person's face right before it happens including seeing them look panicked and cover their mouth as well as hearing and seeing it come out that I just can't handle. I just need to make sure before I watch this one. 🥝💚🖤
@crlpxz
@crlpxz 2 місяці тому
He was just 15... this is horrific
@emilian234
@emilian234 2 місяці тому
He is only my age too.. I turned 16 this month.
@haleynic
@haleynic 2 місяці тому
stay safe on the Internet, kid ​@@emilian234
@marudotzzz
@marudotzzz 2 місяці тому
im 15. its gutting to hear about what he went through, at my age
@saturationstation1446
@saturationstation1446 Місяць тому
and had been so malnourished that he looked closer to single digit age
@ohnowhyamihere
@ohnowhyamihere Місяць тому
Hearing the behaviors that Paul complained about.... Those are weren't signs of a bad kid or a problem child. They were signs of Timothy's autism. Heart breaking. That boy deserved so much more. Everyone in his life failed him.
@user-lb6dk5cb1q
@user-lb6dk5cb1q 2 місяці тому
the fact that the abusers claim they didn’t know he was so bad is an absolute disgusting lie. Any normal person who saw him would have called an ambulance immediately. Which is why they hid him away. so sad
@nataliedunn5239
@nataliedunn5239 2 місяці тому
So convenient that she can't remember her horrendous text messages, but she could remember everything that Timothy had done to "deserve" being "punished". Disgusting. How she can think anyone would believe such an obvious tactic is ridiculous.
@actual-poet9951
@actual-poet9951 2 місяці тому
This.
@addimess6297
@addimess6297 2 місяці тому
Typical abuser behavior, they never remember what they did wrong but can remember what their victim did to the second. To them what they did is irrelevant compared to what the victim did that’s “wrong”. Absolutely disgusting
@marir.s3620
@marir.s3620 Місяць тому
​@@addimess6297 the axe forgets but the three remembers
@truecrimeforlife
@truecrimeforlife 13 днів тому
There is so much truth to your words!
@opiip
@opiip 2 місяці тому
Saddest part of him reaching for the pizza role is when you think about it he probably hadn't given up, he wanted to eat and probably still wanted to live 💔
@TheUndergroundRave
@TheUndergroundRave 2 місяці тому
Right. It’s such fucked up logic. Torturing him for having the will to live and wanting to eat when he’s literally starving to death. Clearly faking! Wtf…
@hellokittyiesss
@hellokittyiesss 2 місяці тому
@@TheUndergroundRavemy only question is why tho?! this is wild.. why would anyone do this for no reason?
@artistmaki
@artistmaki 2 місяці тому
the mother said it was to get back at him for "what she did to him" so maybe he had a hard time following her exactly like paul and the baby could due to his mental disabilities and paul was angry because he was different than him and thought he was digusting like he said when they lived the dads houses@@hellokittyiesss
@hellokittyiesss
@hellokittyiesss 2 місяці тому
@@artistmaki ty ❣️
@Oldschoolnana
@Oldschoolnana 2 місяці тому
😢😢😢😢
@lithious
@lithious Місяць тому
Yeah, "sorry guys, that was my little brother crying from being tortured. Give me a minute to let it continue while I play video games, in comfort, with pizza bites by my side, and just ignore absolute cries of desperation. " He knew better.
@thebeeprince8948
@thebeeprince8948 2 місяці тому
we need to all sit for five minutes. doing nothing. alone. maybe even in an uncomfortable position. we need to understand how long five minutes really is when youre alone with nothing. when we feel so hungry were keeling over, we need to remember that it never ended for him. every spicy thing we cant handle, the spice that we run to the kitchen for milk for, is only a fraction of what he experienced. we need to remember just how long this went on for. where were you a few years ago? how long has it been? how many things youve done and places youve been have you experienced since then. you cant even remember. even if stories like this make us sick, its still just words. we can only handle 5% of what he went through
@fran-yt4ok
@fran-yt4ok 2 місяці тому
What baffles me is why they choose to spend so much time and commitment on torturing their own flesh and blood? How do they even get anything done?
@GreebleClown
@GreebleClown 2 місяці тому
According to her coworkers and unpaid depts apparently she didn’t.
@jennatale
@jennatale 2 місяці тому
Lol fr ​@@GreebleClown
@damien678
@damien678 2 місяці тому
She'd literally yell at him at work through cameras she set up. So she didn't.
@michelemahon141
@michelemahon141 2 місяці тому
To the point of crying that she was so exhausted! Tf? Then take your mean azz to bed..no one made you torture that kid mercilessly! She’s so gross.
@user-bn2st5kx8h
@user-bn2st5kx8h 2 місяці тому
They thought they were disciplining him .She did ,the brother just followed instructions and believed the story too
@umluffy
@umluffy 2 місяці тому
he was “chubby” when he left his dad’s care… this is so sickening, he was 15.
@FelixWiscan
@FelixWiscan 2 місяці тому
my brother and i are both autistic and so many of the things listed about timothy are super common autistic behaviors, especially in males. unfortunately, it's very common for autistic children to be abused by siblings, peers, and adults responsible for them, being seen as "disobedient" when they really just don't understand or have full autonomy over their emotions and urges. i pray things like this will stop happening one day and that all people seeking to raise a child are aware and prepared for the fact that the child may be neurodivergent and thus need to be raised in a less by-the-book way.
@Sevenwrens
@Sevenwrens Місяць тому
It’s so insanely frustrating that they had the privilege of diagnoses AND a sustainable job to support the needs of those diagnoses, yet chose to try and torture them out of that poor baby for years instead 💔💔 evil evil people stuck in their own worlds, and a corrupt system that can’t help the victims of those people until too late…. We collectively need to do better for kids
@nosauce5321
@nosauce5321 2 місяці тому
Shanda terrifies me, the evidence speaks for itself , recordings, texts. They say "behind closed doors" but it seems like she wouldve tortured him in broad daylight. Truly horrific.
@niyahx0_o
@niyahx0_o 2 місяці тому
Exactly. She wasn't even ashamed yelling at him not to get food at her public workspace.
@motherofdemons3146
@motherofdemons3146 2 місяці тому
I watched the brother's sentencing hearing yesterday. That Judge pulled no punches and gave him 30 to 100years in prison. I'm glad his abusers are getting the punishments they deserve.
@CozieGhosty
@CozieGhosty 2 місяці тому
And he had the audacity to look shocked and heartbroken when he got his verdict! It made me so angry...
@Justvbzz
@Justvbzz Місяць тому
​@@CozieGhosty it pains me to think that if it were a man who had done this in somewhere like South Korea,they would get no more than a year or less...
@jlr1176
@jlr1176 7 днів тому
The prosecutor did an excellent job questioning her, and also, not verbally attacking her for the evil actions she made Timothy endure. I would’ve lost it on her. And you are correct!! She hated every 2nd of it.. not bc she started seeing how wrong her actions were, but bc he made the “genius” feel stupid. She literally makes me sick.
@mathilde7574
@mathilde7574 2 місяці тому
7 or 8 years ago I pushed my little sister a little bit hard and she fell, scratched her knee and was very upset. I still think of this very moment frequently, it’s one of those memories that comes back at night and make you feel like the worst person in the world. I love my sister with all of my heart and I still feel so shitty that I hurt her unintentionally. I can’t even begin to comprehend putting your younger sibling through something like this. Paul was clearly suffering from some sort of mental illness, but it would never be an excuse. You can’t call him a brother, he had no love for this poor kid.
@neetgirl111
@neetgirl111 2 місяці тому
One of the most frustrating stories I've ever heard.. the failure of CPS, the failure of bystanders, the failure of the law, the failure of the mother, brother, and father. The poor child literally had no one. :/
@v.loveslaughter1968
@v.loveslaughter1968 Місяць тому
That last line hit hard .. he had no one,, ugh, disgusting monsters
@LuxuFoo
@LuxuFoo Місяць тому
I live where in the city where little Gabriel Fernandez was failed by our CPS. They fail these poor babies all the time. It's so saddening and sickening.
@xylo5836
@xylo5836 Місяць тому
I don't wanna be the 746th like but what u said is true😞
@meagangrowe4488
@meagangrowe4488 11 днів тому
CPS should have been there for him
@caittails
@caittails 2 місяці тому
The moment I heard the word “homeschool,” so much clicked. Most homeschoolers aren’t evil, but I encounter so many people who pull their kids from school just to abuse them without anyone to notice. We need better oversight - by which I mean ANY oversight.
@lyssaj7724
@lyssaj7724 2 місяці тому
There should be random checks esp if there were any red flags. Abuse or not, there should be random check ups. As a child, my family fostered my cousins & we had Children & youth having regular scheduled visits to our home, including random unannounced visits.
@shannond1511
@shannond1511 2 місяці тому
It shouldn’t be allowed unless for medical reasons *and* the parent needs to have some sort of qualification to teach. Like actively take teaching courses while they’re teaching.
@yuma1954
@yuma1954 2 місяці тому
⁠@@shannond1511this lady would meet your criteria as she is highly educated and smart. So how exactly it would protect her son? Logic is a very popular subject in the homeschooling community.
@shannond1511
@shannond1511 2 місяці тому
@@yuma1954 too bad you don’t seem to be
@jenmiranda13
@jenmiranda13 2 місяці тому
I feel like there should also be a third party just to make sure nothing wrong happens or something similar to that. Like people might fake being kind around people in an unfamiliar setting but they are probably more likely to slip in their own home. And if any abuse happens at home, they won't be able to hide it forever from the third party, right?
@Mcowboy2142
@Mcowboy2142 2 місяці тому
As an update of this case, Paul was sentenced to 30-100 years in prison Edit: Minus the time (592 days) he already spent in jail waiting for sentencing
@k1ttyluvr444
@k1ttyluvr444 2 місяці тому
Thank you!! i was looking for his sentence
@misshern3696
@misshern3696 2 місяці тому
She was practicing her puking theatrics way before this. On the officers cam she is shown to be “puking” the drink she was given when she was first taken in. I can’t imagine being that smart and doing everything she did to that child. Also, why didn’t her boss ever tell anything about being on the computer at work? The amount of sympathy she was looking for from others is disgusting.
@GospelOutside
@GospelOutside 2 місяці тому
To know that she was a dog trainer for emotional support and disabilities is astounding. She has a video on her dog training channel here on YT where she is holding her dog and cuddling it and talking about how she couldn’t let the dog go into a lake because it was just too cold. She could never do that to her baby. All the while her own son is in a closet only a few feet away in agony from emotional trauma, physical pain and starvation
@DeoSiege
@DeoSiege 2 місяці тому
This is what happens when you care more about animals than people .... certain people are really crazy .
@machinegurlll
@machinegurlll 2 місяці тому
That's disgusting
@specializedchemicals6669
@specializedchemicals6669 Місяць тому
​@@DeoSiegeexactly. human and animal lives are equal, to put one above the other...... that's a really big warning flag.
@georgiap922
@georgiap922 Місяць тому
and putting poor timothy in a ice bath 😣
@Smt_.x
@Smt_.x Місяць тому
So twisted and sick
@Gabbahx2
@Gabbahx2 2 місяці тому
I don't know if it was intentional or not on the judge's part, but I take a tiny bit of consolation in him making it a point to say "Timothy won." in the sentencing statements. All of her disdain for this poor boy came from her belief that he was getting over on her or somehow "winning".
@HJ10
@HJ10 2 місяці тому
And he did cuz 1) He no longer has to suffer and 2) He only had to do this for a year, there going away for life, and, when people find out what thez did, well, then, tim got off easy, compared to what's gonna happen to them. Cuz there best bet is to basically go into voluntary self isolation, and even then, people GONNA fuck with their food, and their VERY high profile, meaning who ever gets rm gonna get respected and praised for it, and thus have incentive too cuz T❤❤immy may not have been able to protect himself, but the people in there GONNA MAKE SURE they know EXACTLY EVERYTHING Timmy went thru and more, and will be invested in not killing them, and to make them suffer for as long as possible as payback for what they did, and the worst part of ALLL THAT IS they will KNOW that they can't blame anyone but themselves and from a certain perspective, the judge was so fucking right cuz yeah, I do realize how it all sounds, considering Timmy had to die and all, but Timmy straight up flipped em both the f off and said "Ight, well, ima head out, here, hold this, qnd, F BOTH YALL AND DAD" hands em the consequences of their actions SO HE TOTALLY FUCKING WON 😎
@KatrissaBallet
@KatrissaBallet 2 місяці тому
@@HJ10 true that friend. Timothy went through a year of hell, and will spend eternity in Heaven. These two will have both their every waking moment and all of their afterlife in the worst kinds of Hells
@dragonartist22222
@dragonartist22222 2 місяці тому
@@KatrissaBallet i'm not one to say this kind of thing but amen
@AshAsmodeus
@AshAsmodeus 2 місяці тому
@@HJ10 he didn't "win" for shit.... the guy is dead knowing nothing but suffering...how is their abuser sentencing gonna make up for ANY of that? Vengence or Vindication doesn't make right what was done wrong..... It's too little and faaaaaaaaaaaaaar too late.
@laerramarie2620
@laerramarie2620 2 місяці тому
​​@@Dhfhucudu You call the other dude self righteous while you claim the poor victim abused to death won? Because the abusers are in prison? He didn't win shit. Also, him winning would imply he was playing their little abuse game.
@NeoTheRat
@NeoTheRat 21 день тому
this is genuinely so sickening. thats all there is to this. sickening, sickening, demented people.
@axessenter
@axessenter 2 місяці тому
I have severe ADHD as well, I have depression, I have trauma and I was abused as a kid. I would never in my life harm a child. Ever. I would never starve a child or punish them to death. I would never lay my hands on my child. I would love my child, I would do everything I wish my family had done for me for my child. I would teach and learn together with my child. And it wouldn't matter to me if that child was biologically related to me or not. Mental illness and Neurodivergence is NEVER an excuse. We are still responsible for our actions! Cases like this always get to me. I watched a case about another kid once who was beaten and tortured and starved to death by his mum and step father after being sent to her by his father to protect him from legal issues in their country. They also filmed everything, and they did show the videos during trial. the jury needed to go into therapy because many of them ended up being traumatized by the images shown to them. There is a special place in hell for child abusers, if hell is real. I do want to say that I have a nuanced take on Paul as well. I know what his siblings said and we don't know the full story. All I know is how my sister and I grew up. We grew up with a mother that had never been allowed to be a child and developed quite a narcisisstic personality because of it. My dad had grown up with a violent drunk as a father. My parents didn't love each other. My mother had met my father very shortly after divorcing her first husband. She had a still birth and he wasn't there. He was out drinking with friends. She and hospital staff notified him multiple times, but he only showed up 4 days later. She seperated right then and there in her hospital bed. My mum had us pretty late at 39, she knew her clock was ticking and my father was there. But she wasn't willing to be there for him, so he fell into alcoholism, just like his dad. He started calling us names. I'd space out a lot and daydream as a child (I had severe ADHD) and I was often non responsive or unwilling to study. I would get screamed at, shouted at, shoved to gain my attention. My mother would have us do school work before we even entered school, I was jot allowed to do anything else until I had done every exercise she had given me that day. I would get so stressed out I'd start talking to a tree that was growing outside my window. She'd close the curtains then. As time went on my dad started hitting us. On the back of the head at first, but it got worse. He choked me once and threatened to break my arm. My mother would tell on us if we did something wrong, too. My parents also beat our family dog and to this day one of my biggest regrets is imitating them and doing it, too. My sister and I also started insulting each other during fights and actually getting physical with each other, until one day we just looked at each other and pretty much said:"What are we even doing?". Eventually, my parents have taken more or less accountability for their actions, and our family is slowly healing. I am very fortunate to be in that position, and I still love them. But for years after that I had trouble accepting and feeling negative emotions such as anger or frustration. I was scared I'd become like my dad or mum. But I didn't. Of course I didn't. I have pets of my own now and I love them to bits. I have never hit them or screamed at them. But living with parents like that does something to you. And if you have a predisposition or certain temperament it might affect you differently. What I'm saying is that parents have a hold on you. Well beyond your teenage years. And maybe if Paul had had a chance at a different life as possoibly an only child with parents who would have known what they were doing, he would have had a chance at a normal life eventually. This is just a tragic case and I am so sorry that Timothy is never going to experience all the things that he should have had the chance to experience. There needs to be more emphasis on child protection! We're still not doing enough by a long shot! Our systems still care too little.
@Trixy98
@Trixy98 2 місяці тому
The way they talk about him as if the victim is some horrible, attention-seeking kid instead of…well, a victim of their torture is unreal. They genuinely thought that and it’s insane.
@lek0mania
@lek0mania 2 місяці тому
the longer i learn about these two the more i think they fell into some shared delusion. Paul was a bully with bad personality and his mom was the same, they got along and i can see how they spiralled. not excusing them at all, they could stop at any point for fucks sake. but i am trying to explain what happened
@modkip25
@modkip25 2 місяці тому
Don't narcissists act like this? Forever being the victim, no matter the situation? Even when it's them giving the torture, they say the other person 'deserved' it. 🤢
@AxeLasagna
@AxeLasagna 2 місяці тому
@@modkip25dude it’s genuinely insane how narcissists are fucked up
@AMB2200
@AMB2200 2 місяці тому
The mindset of these two is insane. The fact that they thought he was faking and did not think for one minute that he actually felt pain and hurt is insanity. The brother keeps saying “he took food” - like this was not Timothy’s house too and getting food is not a normal thing kids do. Also the audacity to get mad at Timothy for “breaking rules” when they forced him into these situations and abused him. They treated him like he is an animal or something beneath them that is disgusting
@AlissaSss23
@AlissaSss23 2 місяці тому
Paul was BRAINWASHED by his mum. He was TAUGH that Timmy was a horrible person who was taunting his family by eating, sleeping, breathing. I'm sure Paul is autistic or has some diminished mental capacity (maybe learning disabilities), and his mum convinced him Timmy deserved to be tor*ured.
@lilfreak.j
@lilfreak.j 2 місяці тому
they basically had to convince themselves it was the child's fault for their cruel actions im sure they knw how much of assholes they are
@PlAiNJaNe521
@PlAiNJaNe521 2 місяці тому
She trained dogs and did treat the dogs way better than she treated Timothy.
@damien678
@damien678 2 місяці тому
Even bad pet owners tend to treat their animals far better than this.
@damien678
@damien678 2 місяці тому
Also, with him being so desperate for food, I can actually understand the logic of him "faking it" to get some or to get out of the house. Which just makes me think these people are both insane AND stupid, because even if someone you're torturing can and likely will do anything under those circumstances ...what they were doing very obviously could kill him. They didn't even think to try looking into methods to tell if he was dying or not? They didn't have a contingency plan for this sort of situation?
@Si__ah
@Si__ah 28 днів тому
This case is beyond disgusting..It is absolutely unbelievable that both the perpetrators were stuck in their sick delusion,treating someone like an enemy..when it was a fragile defenseless kid in the verge of death..psychopaths?..devils?..demons?..idk how to describe them..Rip Timothy🥀
@ShawnCrigger
@ShawnCrigger 25 днів тому
Man how could anyone treat a child like this. I'm glad she had all those stupid cameras to capture everything she did to that poor kid
@AstraLogical
@AstraLogical 2 місяці тому
I dunno why but her opening a water bottle to drink while she is talking about feeding Timothy hot sauce ABSOLUTELY ENRAGES ME
@ellenthom34
@ellenthom34 2 місяці тому
Or carrying juice
@Shedoesdiy
@Shedoesdiy 2 місяці тому
Saaaaame
@meagangrowe4488
@meagangrowe4488 11 днів тому
The nerve of her😡😡😡😤😤😤
@angeldaniel7360
@angeldaniel7360 2 місяці тому
A jury deliberated for a little more than an hour on Dec. 15, 2023, before finding the 43-year-old mother on trial guilty of the murder of her teenage son with special needs. A judge sentenced Shanda Vander Ark on Jan. 23, 2024, to 50 to 100 years in prison for child abuse and life without parole for her son's murder.
@saigechadwick1045
@saigechadwick1045 2 місяці тому
That woman is beyond evil and disgusting. I hope she she live a very long life in hell. Thanks for the info.
@kawaiicake8038
@kawaiicake8038 2 місяці тому
Just to be sure, a little more than an hour isn’t much time right?
2 місяці тому
@@kawaiicake8038 yes, its not much.
@CaseyMarie11-11
@CaseyMarie11-11 2 місяці тому
​@@kawaiicake8038not much at all. Usually if they have to deliberate,it can take a while. Bc there's at least one person if not more,that doesn't agree. The fact that they came back so quickly,says they all knew immediately that she was guilty AF 💯
@Myrathosghost
@Myrathosghost 2 місяці тому
@@kawaiicake8038 ..Well lets see....we could use the brains...to know that an Hour is 60 minutes....so a little over 60 minutes is probably like 75 minutes....do you think 75 minutes is a short amount of time or a long amount of time?...honestly u dont even need to know that....just knowing how long an HOUR is....do you think an HOUR is a lot of time?? like did you REALLY need to double check if an HOUR is much time or not??
@kkaebsongg
@kkaebsongg Місяць тому
I've been watching true crime for a couple years but this case is the one of the few that disturbed me this badly. I feel so sorry for that poor boy and thinking of how wronged he was from the beginning makes me want to cry. At the very least we can say he's in a better a place :(
@Lollip0pz5
@Lollip0pz5 Місяць тому
Lying that ur brother was stealing food, while the poor kid died of starvation is a level of evil my brain cannot comprehend.
@cloudy3042
@cloudy3042 2 місяці тому
with every parent-child case i remember "every child deserves a parent but not all parents deserve children" she is literally evil not even human she doesn't deserve to be a mom nor alive anymore after what she did
@Adam-326
@Adam-326 2 місяці тому
She’s still human; stop with this nonsense.
@FromAshes444
@FromAshes444 2 місяці тому
@cloudy3042, there are many parents out there just like her.
@cloudy3042
@cloudy3042 2 місяці тому
and the sad thing is they aren't caught bc thier kids didn't die yet​@@FromAshes444
@outlawJosieFox
@outlawJosieFox 2 місяці тому
I never heard that before . It is so very true. Thank you for your comment as that phrase gives me short hand for a thing I have sadly always known.
@OverIt822
@OverIt822 2 місяці тому
I swear this phrase is commented more on YT than “first”. The irony is, people commenting it are doing the same shit Shanda monster did.
@Slay_rylle
@Slay_rylle 2 місяці тому
How inhumane and messed up can you be to fake a reaction in front of a whole court just to hope diminshing your time in jail ??? I feel so bad for what the victim's family had to witness... [EDIT] : Plz don't come at me guys. I'm so sorry, I made a huge mistake. I meant the victim only. Not their family because obviously the family is so sick.
@SoulfoodPogo
@SoulfoodPogo 2 місяці тому
No one was there for Timothy the entire trial. They didn't witness anything. No dad, stepmom, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, stepdad, The day impact statements were made one brother and sister showed up. Judge acknowledged that fact but was still not impressed. He hints at his anger towards them during sentencing. It was deserved. Judge cared more about Timothy than any of his blood relatives did. 😢
@_nob0dy_297
@_nob0dy_297 2 місяці тому
Fr
@duck2659
@duck2659 2 місяці тому
It creeps me out more because my name is timothy
@angielolz8924
@angielolz8924 2 місяці тому
it’s sadder that the own victim’s family were the ones who tortured him nd made him a victim…
@AlissaSss23
@AlissaSss23 2 місяці тому
Wtf??? She's his mum! His dad abandoned him, packed him off and sent him to her house. He had no real family, just horrible abusers
@adriennamariposa5741
@adriennamariposa5741 24 дні тому
i'm crying, Timothy has gone through so much at a young age?? everyday?? i can only imagine how horrible life was for Timothy :(( i've been a victim to only a fraction of what they did to Timothy and it makes me even more angry how they could do that to him, he's a child... what the actual fck
@sunburntsatan6475
@sunburntsatan6475 Місяць тому
34:18 the "I'm sure you've seen a lot worse!" Cop: "mmm, okay 🤨🤨"
@aprilunger7319
@aprilunger7319 2 місяці тому
My grandson is 7 and diagnosed with mild autism and ADHD. The ADHD meds speed up his metabolism and he's hungry all the time. He HAS to eat to maintain weight. If Timothy was taking medication when he kept getting food he was probably just hungry all the time. Poor baby. This mother and brother deserve to be treated the same way. Our justice system is too kind sometimes.
@fr0nk571
@fr0nk571 2 місяці тому
Thats really odd, all of the people i know are on medication that makes them not hungry. Had no idea there were ones with opposite effects?
@aprilunger7319
@aprilunger7319 2 місяці тому
@fr0nk571 I thought that too but he started eating more and being hungry all the time after starting the medication.
@jasminekennedy4774
@jasminekennedy4774 2 місяці тому
​@@fr0nk571I take medication and it makes me hungrier
@lordtette
@lordtette 2 місяці тому
I don't believe he was on meds. She stopped them or Timmy wanted to get off them so she says
@aprilunger7319
@aprilunger7319 2 місяці тому
@lordtette I did catch that but wasn't sure if all were stopped or if he was weaned off when the abuse started. They complained he ate too much and "snuck" food at the beginning and of course after they started starving him. Either way they're disgusting human beings.
@TenNoOkami
@TenNoOkami 2 місяці тому
1:15:28 i heard his "Heeeelp...Hellow?" That sounded so precious...how can you hear a voice like that and answer with violence, abuse and torture? Its heartbreaking.
@annieaesthechic
@annieaesthechic 2 місяці тому
Fr... He was just a sweet 15 year old boy 😭It's beyond dreadful 😭
@annieaesthechic
@annieaesthechic 2 місяці тому
This whole case is sickening. The poor baby lived a nightmare in his short lifetime. Sad how his own mother and brother don't have an ounce of humanity in them for him
@Silly_spanish_birb
@Silly_spanish_birb 2 місяці тому
He sounded so sweet
@MommaOsoIrish67
@MommaOsoIrish67 2 місяці тому
Right? I'm a wreck. This one is so horrific! That poor boy.
@Mommio_Andretti
@Mommio_Andretti 2 місяці тому
@@Silly_spanish_birbutterly heartbreaking and disgusting. Poor little man. He's not suffering anymore. 😞💔💐
@barbthegreat586
@barbthegreat586 10 днів тому
In the UK, there's a couple who starved their daughter (under 10) to death. They also had a locked fridge and plenty of food in the fridge. They're now both in prison. The mother is morbidly obese and a few years ago complained about the prison food.
@Greysanatomy-hd1hp
@Greysanatomy-hd1hp Місяць тому
"Every child deserves a parent but not every parent deserves a child"
@snickerswo1f519
@snickerswo1f519 Місяць тому
Shut up
@madisonr840
@madisonr840 Місяць тому
@@snickerswo1f519weirdo
@michelemahon141
@michelemahon141 2 місяці тому
She also tried to deflect responsibility even on the stand with her OWN TEXTS that the prosecutor would read out to her. He’d ask “Does that sound right to you?” and she’d reply “If that’s what it says.”as if her phone was the one texting that crap on it’s own. Not her. “It” said to give Timothy to give hot sauce. “It” said to give him a cold shower. Nothing was her fault. She’s sickening.
@renaria3160
@renaria3160 2 місяці тому
Sounds like my mom
@xomelisa
@xomelisa 2 місяці тому
@@renaria3160are you okay??
@renaria3160
@renaria3160 2 місяці тому
@xomelisa yeah. But she likes to deny the shit she pulls similar to this mofo. She's like, afro caribbean so that behavior is common among such households aswell as in Africa, black people in general. Adults never like to own up to their dotishness and like to say "if that's what you think", "if you say so", "if that's how tou remember it".
@alanflood8908
@alanflood8908 2 місяці тому
❤❤❤
@SavannahVu1985
@SavannahVu1985 2 місяці тому
I know right! Absolutely unbelievable. She’s so pathetic.
@mahikav
@mahikav 2 місяці тому
this is another example of cps failing. this happens over and over again. had they actually taken action after timothee’s teachers called, he could’ve still been here. there needs to be serious reform.
@Jordan-nw4sj
@Jordan-nw4sj 2 місяці тому
Stephanie missed some Important context, the father only had custody because the mother was declared unfit by CPS and had them removed! So when teachers were calling CPS about Timothys situation with his father, he had already been removed by them previously. His father gave him to his mother knowing she legally couldn't have him. This highlights a deeper problem with state specific CPS rather than a national system.
@veverest2155
@veverest2155 2 місяці тому
The only reform that’s happening is that Children’s services are being further restricted by the right wing home schooling movement. They’re succeeding in keeping Children’s services out when they pull their kids out of school for abusive purposes.
@giabarrone7422
@giabarrone7422 2 місяці тому
Why had CPS previously deemed the mother unfit?
@Jordan-nw4sj
@Jordan-nw4sj 2 місяці тому
@@giabarrone7422 I couldn't find the reason, but did find that apparently she was going through a divorce with the father at the time, she signed over her rights and was only allowed 3 supervised hours of visitation with Timothy per month. Whatever it was must've been extreme to get that little supervised time with the kids.
@amim4701
@amim4701 2 місяці тому
​@@giabarrone7422she was abusive...
@rjfoster5496
@rjfoster5496 29 днів тому
It’s no wonder you have as many subscribers as you do. Not only is your voice so easy to listen to, like I’m listening to a good audiobook, but the way you tell your stories are so detailed and make me picture every detail. So good ❤
@talonsandtails501
@talonsandtails501 Місяць тому
the amount of self victimization is completely insane. Kid is LITERALLY DYING and Paul and Shanda are just going on and on about how he's faking for the soul purpose of bothering them. Every tiny behavior is met with "he's faking and taking advantage of us and trying to make us miserable he's such a horrible kid I can't take it anymore." I just can't believe what I'm hearing. Timothy throws up from the hot sauce; he's being stubborn to spite us. Timothys eyes are glazed over; he's faking to make us worry. He literally can't walk because he's so malnourished; he's faking to trouble us. It's completely insane.
@warningdeadinside2537
@warningdeadinside2537 2 місяці тому
"Yeah we starved him but we didn't enjoy it, we hated doing it!" "Then why not just stop starving him?" "He needed to be punished." "For what!?" "For trying not to starve!"
@ZadiZRA
@ZadiZRA Місяць тому
oh goddd? horrible monsters
@emmaobrien1376
@emmaobrien1376 Місяць тому
Same logic for the sleep deprivation, too. "I have to stay up all night to make sure my son doesn't sleep. Why is he doing this to me!?" I have to wonder if the mom has some sort of lead or mercury poisoning, or a brain injury. Just completely senseless.
@salsa3142
@salsa3142 18 днів тому
@@emmaobrien1376 she's a bully a narcissist. not senseless but pure evil, she has much compassion towards her dog her youngest and so on. but why tim? why doing all these to tim? because she has found her victim. a bully need a victim.
@Thistlespawn
@Thistlespawn 2 місяці тому
I'm sorry, how the Fffff- someone once arrested for punching a woman into miscarrying gets to work at the courthouse?!! Background checks?? Hello?!!
@WhereTheBeaversLive
@WhereTheBeaversLive 2 місяці тому
This was my thought too
@eun5150
@eun5150 2 місяці тому
😮she's a lawyer and smarter than anyone to hide escape her past histroy
@LucyLiu-gc3le
@LucyLiu-gc3le 2 місяці тому
@@eun5150She wasn’t a lawyer, but a county clerk. She graduated from law school, so she has a law degree (J.D.) but she doesn’t practice law; she hasn’t passed the bar, and does not have a license to practice law. She’s not a lawyer.
@adriennemcmillan9637
@adriennemcmillan9637 2 місяці тому
​@@LucyLiu-gc3le I believe she did pass the bar but wasn't practicing law. I thought Stephanie said she passed it.
@exchangAscribe
@exchangAscribe 2 місяці тому
⁠@@eun5150 yah, what the other guy. getting a degree in something and actually practicing it, let alone being skilled at it, are *completely* different things. so if she just had a degree shes not a lawyer. just like getting a degree in communications doesnt make you a journalist. getting a degree also doesnt prove intelligence- because of how the school system works. the only thing it shows is work, consistent work. there are many privileged college students out there today with big masters or phds that are otherwise dumb, un-selfaware, incompetent people with a piece of paper to their name. many of the people that ive seen who wanted big degrees like that were focused on one thing mainly, the status. they wanted the 'status' that comes along in our shit culture with having more education than others. so they could feel that theyre more important than others in their head and that they were entitled to more.
@exapsy
@exapsy Місяць тому
For a very smart woman, the fact that she had cameras, and she didn't know that the police would go over them ... proves that "being smart" and "problem solver" are just words. You can be 100% intelligent at one topic, and 100% dumbass at another.
@KarinaLopez-nl8qi
@KarinaLopez-nl8qi 2 місяці тому
This was one of the most painful videos I have watched I paused so many times I hope Timothy is able to rest in peace and I’m glad justice was served it’s still shocking that there’s people like Shonda and Paul in this world
@Ryl3925
@Ryl3925 2 місяці тому
She was outside not crying because he died but instead she was trying to justify what exactly the police were looking at
@AlissaSss23
@AlissaSss23 2 місяці тому
Exactly, she was fake crying to make it look like she cared
@h0rriphic
@h0rriphic 2 місяці тому
She looks like she is fake crying imo. Pretty bad job of it too.
@bekahnavarro
@bekahnavarro 2 місяці тому
I'm sure she was freaked out because she knew she was the reason he died. But she absolutely wasn't crying for Timothy.
@itsruckaswife7036
@itsruckaswife7036 2 місяці тому
She was trying to appear sad. She was not crying. She would stop wailing amd speak normally for a bit then remember she ought to be crying
@user-yt5od8sp8d
@user-yt5od8sp8d 2 місяці тому
yeah, people cover their faces when they can’t make themselves cry
@HelenaVanCity
@HelenaVanCity 2 місяці тому
This is one of those cases that make me wish the "eye for an eye" law was still in place, so, the moster would be LEGALLY subjected to the exact same torture (s)he made the victim(s) go through.
@Dan55888
@Dan55888 21 день тому
Right? And every time they whine they are reminded "YOU did this, YOU werent stopping when YOU DID THIS to an innocent kid, YOU are not innocent"
@barreldreamz7852
@barreldreamz7852 15 днів тому
Yup
@kelseycain3469
@kelseycain3469 14 днів тому
Thank God it's not just me..
@moistorphan
@moistorphan 14 днів тому
Its the only way absolute justice can be achieved. Shanda may live 100 years in jail but she will not experience being tortured with an ice bath for 9 hours. She will not experience being starved till she becomes literal bones and the only thing she's allowed to eat is bread with hot sauce on an empty stomach. She will not experience not being allowed to close her eyes when she needs to sleep the most. She will not experience any of the immeasurable and unbelievable trauma and pain she caused this child and that makes me so uneasy
@e.c.winner7252
@e.c.winner7252 11 днів тому
I understand where you’re coming from, but who would do the punishment? I’d be wary of anyone actively willing to do it, and I wouldn’t want to force anyone to do it.
@grandmat3587
@grandmat3587 2 місяці тому
I love the way you tell these crime stories. Most true crime UKpostsrs tell you the entire story within the first 5 minutes of the video. You actually only give us a tiny bit of the storY in the intro. Thank you! Love ur channel.
@KawaiiAriiYT
@KawaiiAriiYT Місяць тому
You know...I watch a lot of True Crime stuff. Like, too much. This has been the hardest I've ever cried for the victim. I'm so sorry, Timothy.
@lilacmellows3394
@lilacmellows3394 2 місяці тому
This has been one of the worst, most horrible child abuse cases I’ve ever heard of. I can’t imagine how painful it must’ve been for him. The fact that the photos are banned as well because it’s so damaging to a person is just heartbreaking. How can someone just live with themselves knowing they did that?? I can’t believe someone can just carry a child for 9 months and just inflict such brutal and vile “punishments” to your own child that never deserved it. She doesn’t deserve to be called a mother. I can’t believe these types of people actually exists; it sickens me.
@meinennamensagichnet
@meinennamensagichnet 2 місяці тому
How would any kid ever deserve such punishment.
@miasisneros7820
@miasisneros7820 2 місяці тому
It’s crazy how sick in the head people can be-
@gershonford3513
@gershonford3513 2 місяці тому
Yeah it feels like being safe is a luxury now😌
@eveelee4152
@eveelee4152 2 місяці тому
You be surprise how much they willing to go look up Imani case it will make you lose faith in humanity
@stacy3035
@stacy3035 2 місяці тому
​@@eveelee4152Imani Roberson?
@RendaJane
@RendaJane 2 місяці тому
It’s like micro fascism with one prisoner and a scared intimated angry person who is sociopathic and low functioning. He only bullies with support of someone he wants to impress and take it out on he deems weaker than him. This was some of the sickest 💩 I have seen.
@FromAshes444
@FromAshes444 2 місяці тому
You’d be surprised.
@maximillian1109
@maximillian1109 Місяць тому
I swear on my most beloved companions, those two (Shonda and Paul) got off on this shit. This is so...perverse!!
@crypticshadows
@crypticshadows 18 днів тому
I think this is one of the worst cases I’ve heard from rotten mango. Disgusting.
@Magical_Thinking
@Magical_Thinking 2 місяці тому
The judge did the most kind and respectful thing by ordering that Timothy’s pictures will never be made public (they were that horrific). At the conclusion of the trial the judge displayed a picture of a young, smiling, healthy looking Timothy and explained that this is how he wanted the world to remember him. However, in that picture Tim looked to be around 8 years old which makes me wonder why there aren’t any other pics of him between 8 and 15? They probably never took any. I watched the trial without difficulty but at 11 minutes into Stephanie’s video it’s already too upsetting to hear her graphically describe some of the milder torture that took place. I wouldn’t be surprised if the police, paramedics, even the coroner and people who assist with autopsies had to get counseling after having seen Timothy. Nowadays many court systems provide counseling for jurors who are involved with cases where there’s disturbing and graphic evidence. Shaunda is truly the most evil and sadistic person of our times.
@starcherry6814
@starcherry6814 2 місяці тому
I noticed that too
@harshithagummalla2190
@harshithagummalla2190 2 місяці тому
I started crying even 10 minutes into the video😭😭😭
@Vicus_of_Utrecht
@Vicus_of_Utrecht 2 місяці тому
Censorship is disgusting. Let us see the images.
@tiffany8946
@tiffany8946 2 місяці тому
​@Vicus_of_Utrecht you have no sympathy for the poor child who endured this. Would you want people to see your lifeless body in its worse possible state?
@Vicus_of_Utrecht
@Vicus_of_Utrecht 2 місяці тому
@@tiffany8946 you're cretinous...
@avyluant9416
@avyluant9416 2 місяці тому
the way they describe the abuse as if it's just a walk in the park and nothing is wrong? so confidently in front of the detective?
@AlissaSss23
@AlissaSss23 2 місяці тому
What shocks me more it the amount of disgusting people in the comments section kind if justifying her behaviour by mentioning his autism and incontinence. I'm autistic, and I cared for a non verbal autistic child for years, with frequent visits to the toilet you can avoid most accidents, but people comment about him using nappies as a regular thing. Shonda used toilet breaks as torture, he wasn't allowed to use the toilet!
@avyluant9416
@avyluant9416 2 місяці тому
@@AlissaSss23 no matter what it's basic human rights that every child deserves food, love, affection. they didn't ask to be born and be born in the way they are. it was already torture to tell him not to move, knowing what he was diagnosed with. the way he was also dropped off with all his meds? the mother saying the meds were just a way to do less for him? what did she want to ween her own child of meds he needs? i have a nephew who is also autistic and i have never met him before. i do hear from family how he is.
@nussknacker9827
@nussknacker9827 2 місяці тому
There rarely is an autistic person who wasn't traumatized. I'm autistic and all autistic people I know suffer from cPTSD
@ViennA2891
@ViennA2891 2 дні тому
It's always a huge 🚩 in the 1st place when 'parents' complain/ claim their kids are 'stealing food'
@ParanoidAndroid89
@ParanoidAndroid89 2 місяці тому
Wow... I wish I'd known of your channel sooner. Your delivery is incredible. The way you told this young man's tragic story was absolutely perfect 🖤
@macbivens3362
@macbivens3362 2 місяці тому
The Mother acts like Timothy is this big brain, master plan, anime villain trying to push their huge scheme/agenda. The child was literally just existing. Trying not to be hungry, cold, and sleep-deprived. I want to think that the brother was not directly involved and complicit, that he was participating out of fear of the mother. However, after hearing more about this case, I now think that he was brainwashed into participating and even took enjoyment out of it eventually. It's all sad really. I don't like using the word "hate" but this woman really brings me to the brink of it. I hope that the poor child is at peace now without the torment from the ones he was supposed to trust, love, and be protected by. Hug your loved ones ya'll...😟
@AlissaSss23
@AlissaSss23 2 місяці тому
Yes, Paul was definitely taught and brainwashed to believed Timothy's ab*se was justified!!!
@mysticloverfairy1
@mysticloverfairy1 2 місяці тому
I hate both of them, they’re both horrible people.
@nussknacker9827
@nussknacker9827 2 місяці тому
I grew up in a similar way I can promise you that children and teenagers are able to enjoy harming others My siblings are highly sadistic and great at pretending to be angels or even the victim
@AlissaSss23
@AlissaSss23 2 місяці тому
@nussknacker9827 what I am saying is it was ingrained cruelty, Paul keeps saying it was for Timmy's own good, Shauna loved Timmy, himself and Shauna did their best to help Timmy, etc. He actually believed Shonda's gaslighting. Maybe he had doubts, but he still followed her instructions. Myself and Mt sister had horrible fights as children, we didn't know anything else. My mum did her best to divide us
@nussknacker9827
@nussknacker9827 2 місяці тому
It's true that children can be manipulated into doing evil things But there also are children who actually are evil and grow up to be evil adults With years of training how to act like an angel or victim in public Becoming experts at manipulation and gaslighting IMO the older brother is just as awful as the mother
@Katie82822
@Katie82822 2 місяці тому
That hot sauce is no joke. I can’t imagine how bad that poor baby felt, makes me so angry.
@BluemoonLacrymosa
@BluemoonLacrymosa 2 місяці тому
Exactly. They didn’t just go for a regular sauce. They chose an intensely hot sauce to give to a child with nothing in his gut
@cursedapostate3705
@cursedapostate3705 2 місяці тому
I'm extremely sensitive to spicy shit. To force that type of spice down someone's throat is inhumane
@ingloriousbetch4302
@ingloriousbetch4302 2 місяці тому
Especially for soneone with sensory processing issued. Makes it even worse.
@lordtette
@lordtette 2 місяці тому
​@@BluemoonLacrymosa Knowing how many autistic people deal with stomach issues it's sick. Then she has the nerve to say she didn't want to upset her stomach.
@NikkiC777
@NikkiC777 Місяць тому
Shanda and Paul are evil. They're demonic.
@mafia_boss_donut5213
@mafia_boss_donut5213 Місяць тому
Timothy honestly sounds like he couldve grown up really smart with his knowledge on how to take stuff apart
@dinogino3787
@dinogino3787 2 місяці тому
My heart breaks for Timothy. No baby should have to go through such pain. May his beautiful soul happily rest in peace ❤️🕊️
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