Papee speaks from his soul. His clarity is wonderful to observe.

Illan Pappe is such a warm and wonderful human being, I really wish him all the best.

Always great honest brave talk with Prof Ilan Pappe. Big respect comrade and free Palestine ✌🏾✊🏾🇵🇸❤️

Thank you for uploading this. I'm afraid his fears for the future have come to pass.

If you are given ten billion dollars every year by the US your country too would also be in the top economic league.

As a Muslim, i pray to Allah to bless this Learned Intellectual!

What a fine human being; knowledge has elevated his humanness. Best wishes.

Many thanks........Illan Pappe words are helpful, especially at a time like this when ethnic cleansing is taking place unabated. It is important that the truth of history be told and the lies be exposed else the senseless blood shedding may never end. It is up to each of us, at least in the West, where the media is so skewed toward one side, to educate ourselves, becoming a voice for those presently down trodden. If a voice is all we have, let it be loud, guaranteeing that the perpetrator of these vile crimes hear without doubt and the mistreated gain comfort that they are indeed not forgotten.

The U.S. never supported an Independent State of Palestinians even through they pretended too. Israeli agreed to stop the settlements in the West Bank but never stopped the settlement. Two State Solution was not possible for it was not supported by both parties. Professor Pappe is a very learned man and is knowledgeable on the subject.

Kudos to the rare courteous academic like professor pappe

Thankyou so much for doing justice to your pen and writings. Truth will soon be infront of the World, Israel is again doing the same what it did in 1948 and in more brutal manner. I wish there would have been more people like you🙏🏻

What an inspiration. A beautiful soul and historian. Truly insightful. I commend the bravery and honesty to speak up and expose the truth. God bless you llan Pappe. +🙏+

Thank you for your truth and humanity. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻💕💕💕

Llan is brilliant, in how he explains everything, keep it up, the just world is behind you.

I would love for Ilan to see the needed democracy including Palestinians, in his life time, truly does happen!!! This war now offers the world clear chance to see the horrible reality, may they pay attention and stand up against the illegal & inhumane oppression, genocide, etc. A caged people, yeah, will fight back against their oppressors, and deserve human freedoms!!

I wonder how different Israel would be if a great number of its influential thinkers studied those declassified documents in Oxford University the way Mr Pappé did?

Pappé is a genuinely great and courageous man👍

I loved this interview . this conflict is the primary cancer of so many of the worlds ills

Around minute 36, which speaks of hope vs cynicism: "If my mind can conceive it; And my heart can believe it; I know I can achieve it." Jesse Jackson, Jr.

Max Rodenbeck should educate himself on the historical reasons and facts behind "Putin's invasion." Prof. Ilan Pappe has much deeper knowledge and understanding of the worldly affairs.

The United States should end military aid to Israel 1. Israel can pay for its own military. Israel has a strong economy, an excellent international credit rating, and runs frequent budget surplus. Israel ran an annual surplus of more than a billion dollars six out of the last ten years. 2. Military aid to Israel is a security risk. Israel is a major supplier of military technology to China. These sales have been instrumental in the modernization of the Chinese military. Israel developed the Lavi fighter from American technology with 1.5 billion in American subsidies. Israel sold the Lavi fighter to China. It is now called the J-10 and is the mainstay of the Chinese Air Force. Israel has also sold China missile guidance systems,, advanced radar systems and targeting systems. 3. Israel is a diplomatic liability. 4. Military aid to Israel is illegal under the Leahy Law because of Israel's human rights violations. Any aid to Israel is illegal under the Symington amendment which prohibits aid to nations with nuclear weapons that have not signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and do not permit inspections of their nuclear sites

Dr. Pappe you are unique in every respect.

Mar. 10/24 There’s a humanitarian crisis in Gaza. So tragic. Nevertheless, I enjoyed the interview and plan to read Mr. Pappe’s books. Thank you.

All that this man said is tremendously relevant today ( Dec 2023)

Great inspiring informative discussion. We don't hear directly anything about these 10 myths about Israel, however.

So true and present!

The big difference between Israel and South Africa is that the ethno nationalist position is strongly reinforced by religious dogma. They literally say they are the chosen ones and God meant the land for them. If this is what you believe then apartheid is more just a symptom than it is a cause.

I'm always struck, by how much air one encounters, in the presence of people, patently devoted to the life of the mind and its truths.

Great discussion - too bad Max doesn't understand the Proxy War in Ukraine - its opposition to hegemony - its not a "might is right" action by Russia - just the opposite. Not surprisingly, Ilan seems to understand.

This men is light in the meddle of the dark

ALLAHUMMA. Bestow upon Prof. Illan Pappe Hidayah, Maghfirah Ws Jannah. AMEEN. YA ROBBAL ALAMEEN.

I was waiting for some myths but none appeared although I did enjoy the talk as I always do when Ilan Pappe is featured. When I hear other Israeli Jews, who actually know Palestinians speak, they say they all get along so well and they consider them friends. WHAT I've always thought is that the two Semitic peoples--Arabs and Jews-- can get along great, probably better than a gentile and either a Jew or a Arab. But the fear of the zionists is that the Palestinians have a lot more babies and that in short order they would be the majority in the country. In a democracy that would mean they would have a lot of power but I still am not quite sure if that would create the problems that the zionists fear would occur. In America of course in many Southern States the majority were people of African heritage and yet when democracy finally was manifested, I do not think that it created problems. YOU did of course have people elected to office who were non-white as they were of African origin or ancestry but it doesn't seem to have affected in a negative way the state involved. This is something I would be interested in learning about from someone who actually studies this sort of thing. The second thing that would be different if the Palestinians actually lived as equal citizens in historic Palestine --no matter what it would be called --is that their culture, being the Arab culture, would probably become dominant in short order. As is, arab culture already influences Israeli society but due to the fact that the entire section of the world where Israel is located is Arab, that culture would have a more profound influence if bith peoples assimilated; but I do not necessarily think that would be negative. Again I would like to hear someone who is a student of this type of thing to speak on this issue. The third thing is that the women would be wearing perhaps a different garb similar to what I've seen in photos of the women of Gaza which means they are clothed from head to foot in loose clothing with a hijab. MAYBE that would be considered a negative thing in a world where European dress was more common but again I don't know. IT might work out. In Cairo, you see variation in clothing, as in Turkey, with no problems. In all events you really need people to sit down and discuss these issues so that the fear is replaced by facts. THE last thing might be the most difficult is that Israelis would have to have a lot of counseling by therapists who are very well trained in dealing with PTSD as well as dealing with people who are possessed by negative fears & prejudices that are founded on fantasies that control their life and their behavior and their thoughts and their feelings and their actions. The Palestinians by now would have a lot of PTSD problems also but I think they're more immersed in reality: they know what Jews are about; they know what the zionists are about; and they know what they are about; and they deal more in facts and less in fiction. THE zionists would need a hell of a lot of therapy in order to be able to function in a truly Democratic nation. THE idea of a Jewish nation is ridiculous on its face because it can NOT be a democracy if it is a theocracy. THIS would have to be examined deeply by the zionists and seen as it is-- a flawed reality that does NOT even concur with what their holy book says should be. THAT is, their God NEVER said that the Jews should have a nation-- at least not until the Messiah comes and that does not look like it's anytime soon and it definitely has not occurred as of now. My last comment would be related to something I thought when I returned from Pakestine/ Israel which was probably in the eighties: I was in a cafe in Berkeley and I met someone from Israel and I said I'd been there and it reminded me of THE KING OF HEARTS ,which is a very old film from the 60s. He knew that film but his friend, who was israeli, did not and I could see him explaining in Hebrew what that film was about. I highly recommend you try to see that film. IT was a dark comedy you could say and in essence I think I was spot on when I'd said that's what Israel reminded me of. The plot is: AFTER World War II in a small village all the people have left & the insane asylum is opened up and all of the inhabitants of the asylum take over the town and they become the mayor and the policemen and the firemen and the baker and the candlestick maker so on. IT was the insane running the town. In my youth, I was very insightful and that is exactly what I see now occurring in the so-called land of Israel and I am impressed by the acuity of my understanding on intuitive level what was occurring there and as always I was quite frank with these young Israelis and I remember they were quite somber when they heard what I had to say and they had NO response. I did not then and I do not now apologize for the veracity of what I said. IT may be harsh truth but it is the truth. WHAT I see in Israel now when I watch young people smiling as they say-- we will kill these Palestinians-- is beyond the pale. These are young, beautiful females and males and I cannot conceive at that stage in my life --smiling and saying-- I will kill everyone. AND "everyone" is the Palestinians of course. Then we see the video where they teach very young children who don't even know right from wrong yet to sing a song about killing all the Palestinians and they are NOT smiling but you can tell they don't quite understand what they're singing about, even though they are now being taught to hate. Recently young Zionists have created a hip hop wherein they not only expropriate hip hop from the African American culture, but they also steal the name (ie. Swords & Strikes) from the Arab culture, so in essence they have stolen the type of music and the name of their song and it's all about killing the Palestinians. AGAIN , these are very young female and male zionists singing and laughing and smiling as they talk about killing an entire group of people. This is a VERY serious manifestation of a mental problem that must be treated before anything can be done as regards the creation of a democracy in historic Palestine.

Israelis should read, Those Who walk Away from Omelos by Ursula le Guin.

The Europeans have always had a ‘Jewish Problem’ throughout their history. They tried various types of isolation and extermination including ghetto establishments, pogroms, and the holocaust. Muslims never had. Jews lived freely in Palestine, Istanbul, Baghdad, Cairo, Morocco and other places for centuries. They actually flourished in Muslim Spain. Then in the late 19th centuries ideas like religious separation, nationalism socialism, communism, and others emerged. Zionism was their latest version. The same religious fanatics that persecuted the Jews throughout history began supporting Zionism. They don’t want the Jews to live amongst them. Zionists led by Theodore Hertzel held their First Zionist Congress in Basel, Switzerland in 1897 and later British foreign secretary Balfoure made his infamous declaration in 1917, both with the same objective of solving this ‘Jewish Problem. That is how this colonial, imperial and now apartheid enterprise began

Excellent discussion. Yes, israel having to have a special ministry to convince daily their being a justified state alone, speaks loudly that they know they cheat, and that is being kind...

Very interesting, but I guess the name of the book ("Ten Myths...") was included only to promoting sales, since the book was NOT at all the subject of the conversation. You have kind of cheated with the title.

So far, I heard one myth, not 10. I heard about his childhood and some Archives. I wish he would have elaborated more.

Well done!

The British and also the Germans have a co-responsibility in that. The process of "handing" over a land should have been accompanied. Everyone new, that there was big objection to that. British left, because they must have had an ideal that (looked from the neighbors side) it was the lion´s den. Noone cared. Most possibly. Isreal should play the role of driving back potential Arab attempts to "grow" in the region, or to "solve" "problems", or "provoque" them.

What a small world. Cecil Hourani was a close friend of my parents.

I wish that man was president

Says that there should be 26 comments but I only see ~10… still propping up the Israeli state, UKposts?

Good interview. Pity the peaceful vision was shattered by both their self government and the Hamas

does anyone know what is the name of the israeli documentary they mention around minute 24?

grazie

There are many changes that only time can bring and time is not dictated by humans who are of the disfunctional type. Hence what use to take decades will now take place within the span of five years.

The people of India who study and understand their history understand something about oppressive outsiders.

What are the 10 myths?

If it’s so successful then why are they taking aid from other countries. So is part of its success from aid?

Israel could erase the palestinian people in a stroke but it will never erase Islam nor defeat Israel's sworn enemies. And I say that not as a muslim or Islamist. Zionists in Israel today recognise that their hard line violent position is dictated by the fact that they are surrounded by Arab countries - some of whom - like Iran - will never recognise the state of Israel. The conversation would have taken a different course had those parameters also been explored. Nevertheless it brings me hope that there are many courageous people including IIan Pappe who are willing to stand up for the truth in the face of much hostility.

Illan and Shlomo need to get together

Besides them, many Arab sources confirm the fact that the Holy Land was still Jewish by population and culture in spite of the Diaspora: ·In 985 c.e. the Arab writer Muqaddasi complained that in Jerusalem the large majority of the population were Jewish, and said that "the mosque is empty of worshippers..." . ·Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable Arab historians, in 1377 c.e. wrote: "Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel extended over 1400 years... It was the Jews who implanted the culture and customs of the permanent settlement". After 300 years of Arab rule in the Holy Land, Ibn Khaldun attested that Jewish culture and traditions were still dominant. By that time there was still no evidence of "Palestinian" roots or culture . ·The historian James Parker wrote: "During the first century after the Arab conquest [670-740 c.e.], the caliph and governors of Syria and the [Holy] Land ruled entirely over Christian and Jewish subjects. Apart from the Bedouin in the earliest days, the only Arabs west of the Jordan were the garrisons". Even though the Arabs ruled the Land from 640 c.e. to 1099 c.e., they never became the majority of the population. Most of the inhabitants were Christians (Assyrian and Armenian) and Jews.

5 plus minutes in : Max says 'your parents arrived in Israel in the 30's..was that before the War or after the War !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Perhaps he meant after the War had started???????

In fairness, I was just in Jaffa (southern portion of Tel Aviv) and there were seemingly many Arabs there.

Political hyprocrazy lisongpijam

Gandhian voice

If you want to know what life will be like with a Jewish majority in an Israeli state, go see what life is like for white post apartheid

the U N like they did in kosovo must govern ghaza but in a better way two states for which the whole world has to pay but let gaza people work themselves with arab partners to make gaza and westbank more wealty and peaceful maybe with iron curtain in between because they hate each other too much now later they can take it away and by the way london archives are written by outsiders from israel who did not suffer unther arab agression day by day and also you can not compare south africa with israel it is unique maybe old religion both of jews and arabs should be modernised i am sure it would bring peace instead of more differences based on old texts who are not even true but diverse because of old power relations far gone now is the time for equality and justice like everywhere in the world america is not so critisised for what they did to indians because they killed them almost all and took alltheir land israel did not stop blaming them for the misery of gazans blame the arab world

One thing that is NOT a myth is that Israel is a productive and functioning state which means it stands above 95% of the countries in the world. Not bad given the mess of the ME.

One more point- until the Arab world including he Palestinians and the non Arabic Iran learn to value me respect their own women there is no future for ane in the Middle East . Add to this unsavory mixture the Israeli hardim and the future is indeed bleak

I don't see what this Max character is doing in this interview? Basically crapping on Pappe's hopes is rude at best. Furthermore, his idiotic take on Ukraine has not aged well. If Putin is such a monster, why did it take him a mere two weeks after the invasion to sit down with Zelensky and agree to peace terms...an agreement that was overturned by Boris Johnson and his overlords in Washington?

No. They are Arabs from neighboring countries that moved to the Jewish land for work. (There are also some leftover Turks from the Ottoman Empire.) Common 'palestinian' last names are al-Masri (the Egyptian,), al-Djazair (the Algerian), el-Mughrabi (the Moroccan), al-Yamani (the Yemenite) and even al-Afghani.

Free Palastine from the river to the sea.

Contemptuously ,it has to be expressed for all to know,that this ongoing Israeli atrocious campaign against humanity would not be allowed to happen ,if not for the wholehearted support by the Christians of all ilks;the special culprit being ,the biblical Armageddon believers .One can say, without a shadow of doubt, that Christians are accomplices in that hellish crime,all stemming from a collection of a deranged tales called the Bible!