Tesla vs Gas: TRUE Charging Cost After 75,000 Miles
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0:00 Gas vs Charging
1:59 Home Charging
3:26 Total Electricity Used
4:48 Sponsor (Omaze)
6:05 Travel Charging
8:27 Total Charging Cost
9:40 Conclusion
According to Autolist, 2 of the top 4 reasons people don’t buy electric vehicles have to do with charging the car so I'll explain what my experience has been like to charge my fully electric Tesla Model 3 for the past 3 years + my total charging cost after 75,000 miles and compare it to gas costs. With my Tesla it’s great because it automatically charges overnight when electricity is at its cheapest (known as “off peak” electricity rate) and when I wake up, my car has enough battery charge to satisfy my daily driving needs. If you drive 50 miles or less during your daily driving you can probably get by with charging on a normal outlet, which on my Long Range Model 3 would regain about 5 miles of range per hour of charge. However, I drive over 400 miles a week so I needed a 240v NEMA 1450 outlet installed in my garage in order to charge my Tesla Model 3 at a rate of 30 miles per hour which can essentially charge the car from 0-100% in 10 hours. Unfortunately my breaker box is about the furthest it can possibly be from my garage so I had to hire an electrician to run cable alongside my house, under my yard, and into my garage which cost me $1300 right off the bat before I even got my car but I got a 30% tax credit which made my out of pocket cost $900. Some is lost along the way due to heat and other factors so the final amount of electricity that makes it into the battery is called “wall to wheels” efficiency and based on TeslaFi (an app used to track Tesla charging stats for owners) it says a 240-volt Tesla Wall Connector can average 94% efficiency. If we assume 94% wall to wheels efficiency we also have to consider phantom drain which is the electricity lost when an electric vehicle is parked while not plugged in to a charging outlet so for example every day for 8 hours my car is in a parking lot unplugged and it loses some charge over that period. I average about 2,000 miles per year for traveling on road trips which means 8% of my total miles are when traveling and 92% is from home charging. For home charging, my off-peak electricity rate is $0.07080 per kWh. 92% of the 20,728 kWh has been home charging which means I’ve spent about $1,350 on home charging so far + $54 on Supercharging so after 75,368 miles I’ve spent a total of $1,404 on charging. To that in perspective, if we consider a popular Tesla competitor from the same year, a 2018 BMW 3 series that averages 28 miles per gallon & also requires premium gasoline (which costs an average of $3.475 a gallon in my county) to drive that BMW the same amount of miles the fuel cost would be about $9,353. That's $8,000 in fuel savings after 3 years. I plan to keep my Tesla Model 3 for at least 10 years so if I keep this up, after another 7 years the savings could be close to $25,000 which could pay for a solar roof and allow me to charge for free for the rest of time. That's another advantage of an electric vehicle: it can be charged from 100% renewable energy.
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@cp37373 3 роки тому
Dude why do you go to Indianapolis so much? My city sucks…
@zodiacfml 3 роки тому
cant stop watching this type of video. I've been watching probably since the Model S reviews. I'm watching Tesla since the Roadster though
@canucanoe2861 3 роки тому
$100 or less?!? What are you, crazy? Electricians charge around $100/hr, and even if the panel is right there in your garage, it will take over an hour just to do it. And that doesn't include materials. Please stop misleading people.
@canucanoe2861 3 роки тому
Do you like shilling for crooked charities??!! The link you gave for 'peoplepower' charity gets a failing rating from charity navigator because they spend more than half of their money on administration, and CAF America doesn't even have a rating. WTF?!?
@shankshoanatlprez4453 3 роки тому
Sold...Definitely gettin a Bidet now! TY for the incredible insight to make passionate arguments to those I know who don't support the EV movement. Also will donate $50, great more than worthwhile cause with better than lottery odds I'm sure. Great video, subscribing now!
@lilwhitec4 2 роки тому
Omg I started laughing so hard when he said that you could get a 240v charging station installed at your home for 100 dollars or less , you can't get a electrician to even show up to your house for 100 dollars
@bbhoustontx 2 роки тому
maybe parts $100
@mattofafnir5654 2 роки тому
Electric cars are not the answer
@sgtcrab2569 2 роки тому
@@mattofafnir5654 Gosh! You better warn the auto makers.
@mattofafnir5654 2 роки тому
@@sgtcrab2569 EVs - they’re not green. Batteries not green - no one wants to discuss the mining of the rare earth minerals. No one talks about the lack of recycling of the spent batteries. No one wants to address the lack of charging infrastructure. No one believes in nuclear power. The whole EV notion is dumb. The F150 Lightening weighs 7,500# EMPTY. Try keeping tires on that. I can go on. EVs are an emotional response to the weather - which just changes.
@hzzn 2 роки тому
He didnt say $100. He clearly stated that it cost him $1342 to install and posted the cost on the screen. I don't how or where you heard or saw $100 unless you just like making up numbers in your head to fit your narrative. Weirder still is that 19 other ppl agreed with you.
@mysteriousplankton 2 роки тому
Does this mean that if millions of people start charging their cars at night, it will eventually become a new peak period?
@vinyltapelover 2 роки тому
Mysterious Plankton "Does this mean that if millions of people start charging their cars at night, it will eventually become a new peak period?" Yep. People will have to choose between cooking and washing and drying their clothes or charging the car.
@10MinutestoRouletteFortune 2 роки тому
No, it will mean coal companies will have to burn it to keep the power grid going. We have been duped and there is no way around it.
@Dr.TJ1 2 роки тому
@@10MinutestoRouletteFortune Not necessarily coal. Before the Watts Bar 2 reactor came online in 2016, the last nuclear reactor to come online in the U.S. was in 1996. We’ve had one nuclear accident with no deaths in 70 years of operating electricity producing nuclear reactors in the U.S. Nuclear is the forgotten energy source that works at night too.
@10MinutestoRouletteFortune 2 роки тому
@@Dr.TJ1 True.........but either way it will be a hard sell for the greenies who want to save the earth but have no legitimate ideas to make it happen. I'm with you, Nuclear power is the answer.
@jamiepatterson1214 2 роки тому
While the choice of power supply can be determined the distribution of that power can't. That power will go over existing distribution lines that are aged and in many cases need replaced. This point was made several years ago when EVs were talked about. Distribution line are constructed for the given load at peak times for a given time. If the peek load changes to 24/7 because EVs are being charged then the existing lines may not be able to handle the extra demands. And may result in brown outs or blackouts due to taxes or overloaded circuits. This very thing has been discussed at out local electric coop meetings, with the CEO of that company being the one to bring up the possibilities. Regardless of which way things end up, getting rid of fossil fuels will call for a drastic restructuring of material used to produce those items made from refined crude oil. And it may be necessary for glass to make a big comeback in many instances.
@PopsMdub Рік тому
Love how he says charging at hotels and other people's homes is free. Here's an idea though. I'll buy one and have my friend buy one. We'll charge overnight at each other's houses so it will be free for both of us! Damn, I knew it could work, just wasn't thinking about it right. Thanks for making me see the light.
@luiscastaneda6196 Рік тому
😂
@bmphil3400 Рік тому
And hotel rooms are always free......or do they let you just take up space and power without staying at the hotel?
@thechase-secondchance5077 Рік тому
Right. I hear so much from owners of EVs that they pay so little in fuel and maintenance, but they have no idea how much CO2 is created in the making of their EVs. From a CO2 perspective, the manufacture of the EV vehicle creates about 3x more CO2 than manufacture of a combustion engine vehicle. I've seen numbers that indicate the break even for EVs is about 90,000 miles. But for Hybrids vs EVs, the break even on CO2 is upwards of 400,0000 miles! Also, that free charging at some public chargers and the free charging for referring people is a great sell but I don't have 1,400 people I could even potentially refer and that CO2 created for generating that free charging doesn't go away just because it cost the car owner nothing to charge their car. Don't get me wrong, I want an EV, but I can't justify paying $60k for a vehicle when I could get a really nice car for $40,000. Long term tires costs are higher (replacing tires every 20 to 25k miles depending on driving habits, too. Overall, I think the best value out their now, in terms of cost and CO2 emissions is a hybrid. I do own a 2016 Hyundai Sonata that I bought new about 5 years ago. It is a great car and the newer ones are even better. My 17 year old son drives that now, which saves him money at the gas pump. I'll be looking for another car in about a year for our daughter and will consider doing something similar for her. EVs may be 5 or 6 years away before the financial "savings" become real as more options on the market may bring prices down (though in the current era of Bidenomics, that seems like a pipedream) and real CO2 emissions savings can be achieved with shorting break even periods.
@8188jlpc Рік тому
charging at hotels IS NOT ALWAYS FREE....that bullshit
@stefanburlin7322 Рік тому
@@thechase-secondchance5077 this is a really good video bringing up not so much about the manufacturing of the cars but stuff around them. ukposts.info/have/v-deo/aZ-Hpn9_mpqpy3U.html Apart from the lithium battery the cars are pretty much similar in wasted CO2 emissions. The lithium battery takes a lot of energy to produce but is negligible when looking at other factors the diesel world does.. Hope you watch the video!
@rjvanloon4769 Рік тому
Let me point you to Germany, where some towns did away with all their diesel-powered busses for publiuc transport. Such a bus does about 190 miles on a full tank. They were replaced with electric busses. After a year they moved all the electric busses to a storage facililty and bought diesel-powered ones again. The reason is that on a full charge they only did about half that distance. That is, if the weather was good. But in winter they did maybe 1/3rd and it's not really feasible to have them sitting on a charger during the day for hours at a time. Also, the hilly regions brought down their range even more. On top of that, intensive use means a lot more maintenance. Your tesla looks nice, but you do a very limited amount of miles a week. Oh, and after 10 years with your tesla you may be looking at having to replace your battery, whcih basically will be as much as buying a new car.
@jackscott1878 Рік тому
If you go to a junkyard in Europe they’re full of electric cars. Because people can’t afford the batteries
@cestmoi1262 Рік тому
You forgot to point out that due to the long recharge times more electric buses have to be purchased. A 100 mile charge does not cover a daily route.
@kalvinflowers6178 Рік тому
@@JB-lp9xr 😂😂😂
@jackscott1878 Рік тому
@@JB-lp9xr That’s what I was told. By reliable sources
@davemardon6756 Рік тому
And now with the cost of everything going up.....
@kalehallman 2 роки тому
My concern is once the majority of vehicles on the road are electric, charging costs will increase exponentially.
@10MinutestoRouletteFortune 2 роки тому
Let's not forget the coal it will take to keep the power grid going in winter. It's already being used. We have been duped while we send our oil reserves to China.
@4TIMESAYEAR 2 роки тому
EXACTLY.
@RBCjr1 2 роки тому
I will have invented a solar powered Tesla by that time. It will never need an outlet.
@thegreatempire3882 2 роки тому
@@10MinutestoRouletteFortune well, coal fire powerplants are more efficient than a IC vehicle and a EV can go 2000 miles with the same amount of energy that is in 16 gallons of gas. Idk if there's a single ic vehicle on the road that can actually do that.
@10MinutestoRouletteFortune 2 роки тому
@@thegreatempire3882 "Coal fire powerplants are more efficient...." Tell that to the greenies that what to save the planet as I agree. While you are at it tell them they are further destroying the earth by not having a proper way to disposing the batteries or the cars that run them as they are far too expensive to replace in most cases. Check out the 10s of thousands of cars piling up in Europe destroying the earth. Bottom line in, they don't have one solution to saving the planet as without N power in the forefront, nothing else will work. The can make N power aircraft carriers that will run for decades for free....surely we can do the same with cars. How about Hydrogen powered cars? They have designed them but the guy that had the patent showed up dead one day. Those are the real solutions. Problem is, not many can get rich off of those ideas. Yes, cars CAN run on water.
@kith00000 2 роки тому
"California Asks Residents to Avoid Charging Electric Cars Amid Power Grid Strain," Now this was during a heat wave but is an indicator of things to come.
@jeffbachmann7161 2 роки тому
Exactly. Kalifornia can't keep the electricity flowing as it is. million more EVs are not doable there. It;s one reason though Tesla also sells solar and power walls. Because you can't depend on the grid
@seinfan9 2 роки тому
I'm not an EV fan, but using Commiefornia as the control is not because of EVs. It's their own suicidal policies. Rolling blackouts have been a staple in that state since at least the 90s.
@jeffbachmann7161 2 роки тому
@@seinfan9 I had no idea it went that far back. And they keep voting for the same type of morons that only make it worse. SMH I should talk. I live in NY. LOL 2 more years then I'm out of this liberal dystopia
@jbfalaska 2 роки тому
There are gas shortages there too. And $6.15 a gallon.. I'll take my chance and charge up.
@RWZiggy Рік тому
@@jbfalaska Not seeing any gas shortages, just expensive gasoline. But lack of capacity for charging cars is real and a stake in the heart for EV the way the grid is now. Besides for the $15K extra an EV costs I could fill a $21K ICE vehicle for 7 years.
@iv4ptab177 Рік тому
When everybody gets an electric car, I like to see him do another video on how much it cost....then. Electricity still comes primarily from traditional fuels, something he conveniently left out.
@docksidemarine4273 Рік тому
Exactly. Saying electric cars are emissions free is crazy. The emissions are just coming from somwhere else.
@itmaslanka Рік тому
Unless you select to get it from renewable sources, wind , water, solar .
@docksidemarine4273 Рік тому
@@callmebigpapa right so the other 80% comes from burning fossil fuels. Do you honestly believe we will somehow be able to run everyones homes and cars on renewable electricity? If so fill me in on how they will accomplish that in this lifetime
@emmitmeyer1368 Рік тому
Another thing nobody is talking about.... Most road building and repair budgets are based upon income from gas taxes....Whose pocket do you think they are going to pick once there is no gas to tax?
@itmaslanka Рік тому
@@callmebigpapa 10 years from now there won’t be all these gas stations around. I can’t wait to get my next car and it’s going to be electric ! Old dinosaur!
@__documents2580 Рік тому
The cost for the Tesla model 3 right now is closer to 50-60K, including taxes, shipping, charger, tag title etc. Very difficult to justify that up front money now that rebate amounts are shrinking. You can get a nice 50-55 mpg hybrid for 30k. That's a whopping difference in up front costs that can take many years to recoop! Assuming you keep your EV for at least 5 years. Also the idea that EV cars are better on the environment is a farce. The mining, processing, and disposal of spent rare earth metals and the carbon emissions that come from the fossil fuel driven heavy industrial equipment used to mine them and bury spent materials is often left out of the conversation. And what about the environmental impact from the ocean going ships and on land trucking used to transport these materials? The recycling of these EV batteries is just too costly at this point and it is cheaper to send the dead batteries and/or the remaining useless materials, even after recycling, to countries with little or no environmental standards where they are burned or buried. And that is exactly what is being done. Not very good for your health if you are a person who lives in, say, Thailand or China. This also makes the US more reliant on China for a very very important part of everyday American life...the freedom to travel. China who is the largest supplier of these rare earth metals have over 80% global market domination in this industry. America has all but given up on the mining of rare earth metals and minerals precisely because of the fact that it poisons our environment and ground water. Many rare earth elements reside among mineral deposits with radioactive materials that can and do leach into the water table. NOT GOOD! And don't get me started on the power generation increase that accompanies the surge (no pun intended) in EV charging. More coal/natural gas burning anyone? Ask anyone in California about the pitfalls of too much reliance on power station output. Rolling blackouts are becoming more and more of a problem because of electrical energy demand. My conclusion... Buying a hybrid with a much smaller battery footprint than an EV is just as smart and environmentally safe as buying an EV but it's a lot cheaper. And...Gas prices will most certainly come back down when we get a decent president again. I suppose that the answer is complex but the installation of solar power grids to supplement power generation is the best approach at this point. But don't forget that solar panels do not last for ever and they have toxic components that have to be disposed of as well.
@rfjohns4452 Рік тому
It's like you say it doesn't help environment transfers wealth fr O&G to those investing in electricity.Also my god if battery catches on fire 🔥🔥🔥 Germany is so feed up with green energy they are going back to coal& oil plants yes that's real Net zero nation are a slide into poverty while Iran and numerous nations must laugh at US. I'm in Canada and it's bad here $10 gallon gas 4.646 liters with a dictatorship run by Justin Trudeau who claims to be a Christian but has allowed over 50+ churches burnt.
@bobby3944 Рік тому
All great points that you make that the EV people don't want everyone to know.
@jackscott1878 Рік тому
And the power grid would have to be rebuilt because they couldn’t handle the excess power needed for everybody to have recharging station in their home. That’ll cost millions and I’m sure the power companies are not willing to do that
@bobby3944 Рік тому
@@JB-lp9xr Sorry, but I have zero confidence in GM to produce a quality product.
@Riley1524 Рік тому
GM can't even make dependable/recall free gas cars/trucks. I can't even imagine how bad one of their electric cars would be.
@HypocriticYT 2 роки тому
Electric costs will double to pay for the same Taxes that fuel has. Government will Not let you drive without paying up.
@nans969 2 роки тому
I think that when people pay their yearly car tax, electric cars in the future might have to pay more to cover the loss of gas tax revenue. At one time my state of VA used to give a tax break for hybrids and electric cars. Then the realized that they are using the roads too and need to pay their share.
@HypocriticYT 2 роки тому
@@nans969 and with electric there is no competition with pricing as there is with gas so prices go up with nothing to stop them. Bad idea for consumers, great for electric co and govt.
@HypocriticYT 2 роки тому
@Tom C every "fee" and "license" is a TAX. Govt. breaks down large lump sum payments so we don't get sticker shock. Why do licenses need renewal if you didn't lose it?? No one can or would pay tax on say 2,000 gallons of gas they used in one year. For example half of the cost is TAX so say $3 a gallon for 2,000 gallons would be $3000 you owe in TAX. The govt will have you pay each time you recharge. Remember when bank swipe cards were free to get everyone using them? Not free now. They suck you in and then one too dependent on it they charge and charge $$$. I've been around long enough to have seen this crap happen over and over again. I can't say getting a few free charges negates the higher cost of these vehicles. If you're old enough to remember the VW bug, the 2 cylinder air cooled jobs that were great on gas and cheap to maintain, well they won't sell you anything like it anymore, not enough profit.
@jonjeskie5234 2 роки тому
@@HypocriticYT actually regulation is a factor that can keep prices down. This is why stores couldn't charge $50 for sanitizer during covid
@HypocriticYT 2 роки тому
@@jonjeskie5234 Oh no, this is govt. taxation we're talking about. Do you really think the govt. will let $ billions in revenue go unrealized because we change from gas to electric? What would pay for all the road infrastructure???? Taxes only go up, they never disappear or lower. I'm old enough to have experienced decades of taxation.
@briangillick 3 роки тому
take aways from this video: 1. tesla has great fuel savings 2. andy's got a clean fresh ass
@tooreosonecup4995 3 роки тому
#2 made me chuckle
@icedragon2000 3 роки тому
@David Moore and both of those cars are boring to drive.
@gugy68 3 роки тому
LMAO, he's right. I always had a bidet until I moved to the US. I hope I can get a real one when I remodel my bathroom.
@user-vp1sc7tt4m 3 роки тому
@@icedragon2000 ?
@Old.Vet. 3 роки тому
lol
@ntkn Рік тому
I wanna get a EV but i live in Louisiana, and the major problem is evacuating for storms. a trip that would normally take maybe 5-6 hours could take 24-36 hours in those types of events... and apparently charging stations are bad enough in normal situations with them not working or being too far away or worse yet just taking too long to charge if its not on the tesla network. So in those situations im not sure if a EV, most importantly the charging networks, will be reliable as you want to get out the path of the storm as fast as possible, not wait 1-2 hours on it charging while its barreling down on you and extending an already brutally long trip from everyone evacuating the city.
@scottwilkins Рік тому
So, you're one of those that wait to the last minute to evacuate?
@airybrook Рік тому
@@scottwilkins No. I am from south Louisiana and now live in Texas. The last minute people can generally evacuate quickly - but not safely. The truth (which ev fans never seem to want to hear), is that hundreds of thousands of people evacuating takes time. NTKN's numbers reflect the real world...not the unicorn dotted fairy tale world of ev fans.
@deathbyvelocity7541 Рік тому
Many issues with his comments about this. So what happens if I go on a long trip that requires the battery to be recharged no less than 6 times? How long will I need ro wait for it to recharge? How often and how many charging stations are there? What happens if and when everyone has a battery powered vehicle. I guess recharging at home, at night won't be the optimal time any longer? What about the congressional hearing that are vetting out that to recharge a Tesla is 50% more than running your air conditioner at your home if you were using 5 AC units? How much Coal and Oil from the power plants will it take to recharge everyone's battery power cars once we all go to this type of travel? Are we set up right now to go to this? If not, how long will it take to get there so no one is inconvenienced by switching over to battery powered travel? Just a few of my questions here.
@SpottedSharks Рік тому
Watch the Out of Spec Motoring channel. They do cross-country trips in Teslas all the time.
@RocketRod63 2 роки тому
In Australia they’re formulating a tax on EVs to offset the loss in revenue from fuel taxes 😬 Its coming mate 👍
@RocketRod63 2 роки тому
Victoria, a state in Australia is introducing on 1st July 2021 a 2.5cents per kilometre tax on all EVs in that state to recoup loss revenue from fuel tax. NSW is closely following. Nothing is free…
@ffwast 2 роки тому
The parasites were never going to let you escape their bloodsucking.
@GuntherRommel 2 роки тому
@@ffwast so, roads need maintenance. Figured you should know. Oh! Also, building them is expensive.
@ffwast 2 роки тому
@@GuntherRommel >roadcuck
@jayrodathome 2 роки тому
The proposed infrastructure bill here in the US claims it specifically will not be funded by increasing a gas tax. They are funding it by taxing anyone who makes over 400k a year.... doubt it will pass but who knows?
@kens32052 3 роки тому
Another problem is if you don't own a house with a garage. You can fill up your gas tank in 5 minutes. A lot faster than going to a charging station and waiting for your 80% charge.
@gerry.shafer6101 3 роки тому
TIME IS MONEY !!
@robertschmidt9301 3 роки тому
When the oil depletion allowance goes away that will just mean faster pain as the price of gasoline increases with the loss of the subsidy..
@rvictor701 3 роки тому
Buy a house 😉
@Evhell95 2 роки тому
Trueeeeee
@lancecarona2554 2 роки тому
Have charging stations where I work, but I still charge at my house. But people charge their cars while they are at work. You will see more of this as more electric cars are purchased, and you'll see charging times continue to be reduced. Before long gas cars will become like VCRs.
@mediastarguest Рік тому
The amount the vehicles cost has to be factored in too. If a firm were able to build a vehicle that ran on fresh air which meant zero gas, oil or electricity costs but decided to price it at 150,000 dollars - would it really be more economical than a run of the mill petrol engined car over a period of ten years or 120,000 miles ?
@garyreysa4729 Рік тому
You can buy a Chevy Bolt EV for $27K - just as cheap as gas cars. And, you can get a $7K tax credit on many of them. No reason why EVs need to be more expensive. EV maintenance is also less.
@curtiskaeo7902 Рік тому
@@garyreysa4729 Except it's a Chevy Bolt. You couldn't give that car to me for free. Driving is an experience not just something akin to taking the bus.
@99gmcsierralm74 Рік тому
@@garyreysa4729 you can not buy a running ev for $400 period dot
@Johnny_Doe Рік тому
Don’t forget, this fool will eventually need to replace the lithium battery. How much does that cost? $10K? $15K?
@bandith3 10 місяців тому
My Model 3 costs $40k - 7.5k federal tax credit - 2.5k state tax rebate- 7k state grant - 2k ICE vehicle junked grant. I paid $21k for the vehicle. Less than a comparable Honda Civic. My charger was $475 + $700 installation - $475 county rebate for charger - county state rebate for installation. $0 net. My gas cost were $500/mo. Now I pay $50/mo because my office, supermarket, doctor’s office provides free charging. The $50 is the cost I pay for 1000 miles of dc charging equivalent to $450 or 3 tanks of gas on my trucks. So instead of calling other fools, and ideas terrible, please look into the numbers and see if it works for you. You are entitled to your opinion but not your ignorance.
@JaredUnashamed Рік тому
Gas cars are cheaper in cost and will last you 200k to 300k over the course of 10 to 15 years. In my case a lot less mileage and long term of owner ship. Also I own both my cars outright. I'd like to see the state of the Tesla's and EV's after 200k to 300k mileage. Also short distances seem to be okay but long distances are a challenge.
@SpottedSharks Рік тому
The data says otherwise. Through 200k miles fuel and maintenence costs on EVs are half that of IC cars. There are plenty of videos reviewing Teslas after 100k and 200k miles. And cross-country trips in a Tesla are no more difficult than in an IC car.
@JaredUnashamed Рік тому
@@SpottedSharks all that cost for the lower maintenance of the EV is in the price of the car. I pay cash for my cars and live in a rural area. It makes no since for me to get an EV. I'm not against EV's, it's just not a one size fits all type of car.
@benndoverr5233 3 роки тому
I'm in California and when you go over "your" electric limit the price jumps up, then again and again as you use more. No bargain in CA.
@azmike3572 3 роки тому
Is what you're mentioning for household electricity consumption? I can also envision that over time, "free" charging stations may not remain free and will require debit cards for charging the cars.
@motofunk1 3 роки тому
Check your utilities rate plan. I switched to a Time of Use plan and charge at times with the off peak rate. Not getting the $0.07kW that Andy is getting, but $0.17 is still pretty low for CA. Averaging $0.07 per mile with a performance model 3 on home charging.
@zeusmultirotor8479 3 роки тому
Also in California gas prices are way higher than where he lives
@JimmyGunXD556 3 роки тому
I pray everyday that you have that one big earthquake and you're fucking State cracks off and drifts into the Pacific fucking ocean.
@keithnorris8982 3 роки тому
@@JimmyGunXD556 Amen:-)
@garybeckner2991 2 роки тому
You also need to look into the battery replacement cost. Yes it will need to be replaced now and then and you are looking at around $17,000 for the replacement battery and installation cost. The longer you have the battery the less and less and less efficient it becomes.
@wholeNwon 2 роки тому
And IC engines wear out piece by huge number of moving pieces and auto trans with hundreds of moving parts wear out piece by moving piece costing large amounts of money in the inevitable process. Yes, some engines and transmissions are more reliable than others but there are all those on the really bad side of the curve. Of course there are all the maintenance costs of those complex systems along the way as entropy takes it toll.
@fishermanii4137 2 роки тому
Good point on battery replacement costs. The Dems will slap taxes on this vehicle.
@wholeNwon 2 роки тому
You mean the Dem's increase in tax incentives for EV's?
@wholeNwon 2 роки тому
@clot shots When I switch to an EV, it won't be a Tesla. My Lexus is 24 yo this month. My driving needs have changed and now an EV might suit me well. But I certainly won't pay dealers' prices.
@shameite74 2 роки тому
@@wholeNwon I'm not trying to start anything but you can put a new engine and transmission in a vehicle foe a lot less than a $17,000.00 battery. lol I will stick with my 2000 jeep wrangler with its original inline 6 cylinder with its 250,000 miles on it. Its 22 years old and is driven every day. If EV cars were better right now, I would own one. If I cant go on vacation to my favorite destination like I do twice a year which is over 750 miles from my house and charge it as fast as it takes to fill up my car with gas, they will never be able to replace anything. Maybe one day they will be. And you are correct about one thing, a lot less mechanical parts to break, but most things that go out on car engines these days are sensors which are electrical and not mechanical. lol
@franciscoarmendariz5912 Рік тому
I have a question for science people about carbon vs. lithium. To my knowledge carbon monoxide from our cars turns into carbon dioxide when it mixes with O2. CO2 is recycled by trees, hence O2. Lithium is not recyclable. It's dumped possible underground. shouldn't technology be more on helping the process of changing CO2 to O2 and keep levels in the air even?
@SpottedSharks Рік тому
Tesla already recycles their batteries.
@chriswhitehead4300 Рік тому
Where does the electricity that you charge your vehicle com from? That is - is it generated from coal/gas powered electrical plant? If so you are still contributing to the greenhouse gas. How much does a battery replacement cost and how is the old battery ecologically taken care of?
@tor9273 Рік тому
It comes from the solar panels installed on my house. Four years of no cost fuel plus the electric company sends me a check for about $4000 every year. What were you saying about coal?
@seanthe100 Рік тому
It's still much more efficient to burn coal from a powerplant than burning the gas in your car winch is incredibly inefficient
@Pat-nl4wk Рік тому
@@tor9273 the efficiency of your solar panels AND your ev battery are already in decline. Petrochemical products are used in the manufacturing of solar panels and ev batteries. Solar panels cannot be recycled.
@tor9273 Рік тому
@@Pat-nl4wk You’re criticizing solar power because my solar panels will only last for 50 years. Hilarious.
@tor9273 Рік тому
@@Pat-nl4wk “So can solar panels be recycled? The short answer is yes. Silicon solar modules are primarily composed of glass, plastic, and aluminum: three materials that are recycled in mass quantities.”
@nostradamus548 2 роки тому
Assumptions lose me every time. Also this guy has an agenda. He's a running commercial for Tesla
@goingelectric7826 2 роки тому
Buy a bidet. You’ll be glad you did! 🚽🧼✨
@vinyltapelover 2 роки тому
@@goingelectric7826 Although I know what a "bidet"is, I thought, maybe, you might be referring to an electric vehicle I wasn't aware of. I damn near spit my coffee out, when an ad came across a y.t. video for a bidet you can install yourself.. The way it was presented, you'd think it was satire or a skit from SNL, but it was legit. It was funny, well done and you won't see the add on t.v. anytime soon. lol lol
@goingelectric7826 2 роки тому
@@vinyltapelover 😂 🚽
@vinyltapelover 2 роки тому
@@goingelectric7826 🤣🤣👍. Shoot howdy! Thanks for pulling me out of the doldrums and making me laugh. You and yours have a great and happy turkey day.
@davidschwartz5127 2 роки тому
He getting free charging miles!
@ricknuckols82 2 роки тому
If I could have gas given to me 'free' or subsidized, I am sure my costs would drop substantially. He is right about 7 cents a kw being extremely low. Here in Tx I pay between 11 and 14 per kw with 'green' energy. I am glad that he has the financial resources to purchase his Tesla and then operate it off of other peoples money.
@mikejones4308 2 роки тому
In Ohio, costing about $.05/kwh. Guess we got it good
@xAnAngelOfDeathx 2 роки тому
You pay through the ass in Texas for electricity because of the ridiculous privately controlled power grid in Texas and the insanity of not being connected (for the most part) to the national grid. Texas is the exception - between stupid regulations and privatization the system id broken and cannot be fixed the way that it is structured. You can thank the greedy powers that be for that, ya'll voted them in.
@Mike-lt6sj 2 роки тому
@@mikejones4308 It's 14 here.
@markgalligan3860 2 роки тому
nancy let him borrow the money to do all this stuff like mommy like son lol.
@mikejones4308 2 роки тому
@@Mike-lt6sj Wow, I can't even fathom over twice the cost. I would definitely be looking for alternative sources. If you're on your own land and have a lot of trees, check out DIY Gascolater (sp?) for converting wood burning into fuel for running a generator for electricity and charging up batteries.
@bravedave5186 Рік тому
The cost can be reduced to almost nothing with 100% solar panel system. I did both and rarely ever use a super charger. This doesn’t even begin to tell you how much you save from buying from your local power company!
@michaelpistey4001 Рік тому
Andy , it may help others to know that charging with the super charger is not recommended on an every day, or regular basis. It degrades the battery. On the bidet,. I totally 100% agree. We have had one fir some 18 years and it is literally painful to do without.
@chaosengine3772 Рік тому
Bidet= no rusty star!
@DadBodDrumming 2 роки тому
Free charging is great now. BUT when everyone has an electric vehicle, those things will go away and you will be paying as much to charge your car as you will for gas. LOL Just wait.
@laurantsmccloskey5927 2 роки тому
Thank you! So true! They tax us & use the revenue to provide free charging for those electric cars so everyone's already paying for the "free charging" right now regardless if they own an electric vehicle or not so at this point those who do own one are literally being funded by their peers unknowingly & just like you say.... they're sure to stick the knife in & twist it on us once we're dependant on them..
@davidb6403 2 роки тому
You won't be funding Saudi billionaires no matter what it costs
@oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164 2 роки тому
You'll be paying MORE, the price of electricity will most likely triple.
@hiloviking 2 роки тому
I charge with electricity from solar panels and net metering, TOU rates. SCal Edison pays me, nice if your electric company has such deals. Sure made sense for me. Btw, as more people switch to EV less gas will be consumed and gas prices will rise. More renewables will be the norm, esp. utility scale battery storage that Tesla is going into in a very big way, get informed. With all this info and much more about Tesla I bought TSLA early, nothing like a rocket ride of a stock you hold, trust me.
@cgall4444 2 роки тому
Thanks DEMONdncCOMMIES
@LowkeeLT 2 роки тому
Keep on mind that most of the power charging your car in Louisville is powered by coal, which is the absolute least clean source of power.
@michaelsekich5974 2 роки тому
Right on
@oldarkie3880 2 роки тому
Plus us taxpayers and deficit inflation causing spending helps pay for it.
@COSolar6419 2 роки тому
That is changing rapidly in many parts of the country. EVs are still a less polluting option regardless of the local power sources. If you have invested in roof top solar it’s a non-issue.
@COSolar6419 2 роки тому
@@LowkeeLT fortunately it doesn’t matter since coal is going the way of the dodo.
@robertpatterson5937 2 роки тому
@@LowkeeLT That link is from 2014. Both the grid and EVs have changed radically since then. Any data more than 2 years old is irrelevant to the situation in 2021.
@jeffpansini9612 Рік тому
There's something you can never get with an electric car, and that's the sound of a finely tuned 8 cylinder. Call me old fashioned but I love that sound.
@rodneyjhackenflash4865 Рік тому
It's the sound of reliability.
@RandyTWester Рік тому
It's unfortunately a sound that you can't get from a lot of V8s, either.
@IIARROWS Рік тому
And there is something you can never get with an ICE car: that's the silence of operation and being an asshole from waking up everyone when driving. So what's your point exactly?
@squid8me Рік тому
Ooohh yeah!
@jub8891 Рік тому
you probably eat meat too you carnist
@predatorcove5470 Рік тому
I have a few Nissans an 150k Audi R8 and a Tesla model 3.....Honest to God the Tesla is by far my favorite. It goes far deeper than just saving money
@alanstone1206 2 роки тому
I live in GB, 90% of cars are parked on the street, often away from your house, also the charging stations are far away and very few, so you would have to get a taxi or public transport just to get in your car ( if it hadn't been stolen overnight). This man lives in Utopia with his head in the clouds, also good luck when you need a replacement battery, $17000 to $22500.
@canucknanuckofthenorth3457 Рік тому
Alan, not very often we hear common sense from our "original founding fathers". We rebels here in the states are full of pie in the sky dreamers with NO sense of reality.
@canucknanuckofthenorth3457 Рік тому
@@callmebigpapa another sound bite in place of reality.
@MAGAMAN Рік тому
@@callmebigpapa Yes, turn you 12 hour charge into a 12 day charge. lol
@georgesealy4706 3 роки тому
Charging costs are going to go up dramatically in the coming years. The electric utilities will have to build additional infrastructure to handle the load, perhaps as much as 30% more. That also means electric costs will go up for everybody including people who don't use EVs.
@ericechols5806 3 роки тому
The one thing that he didn't mention was the "other" electricity charges. I can use $25 in electricity, and owe $65-70 to the electric company. The more electric I use, the higher the "transmission, distribution, cost recovery, and bypassable generation charges. Without adding in those factors, dude is pushing "fake news" based on faulty math...imho 🙂✌🏽
@fivish 3 роки тому
As road fund license and petrol tax income reduces so the government will have to tax BEVs to make up the difference. An of course there are nowhere near enough power stations to charge hundreds of millions of batteries! Its not the fuiture.
@hasmituchil5214 3 роки тому
Found the polluting industry employees
@georgesealy4706 3 роки тому
@@ericechols5806 Right. Let us not forget that electric power is provided by 'regulated monopolies.' They set rates based on a rate of return on invested capital, that is, their infrastructure. The thing is, they are monopolies. The rate is the rate they will charge the charging stations. You can't go to Shell, Circle K, Exxon, or some other place to do better. The rates won't ever go down either like gasoline does. They will just keep climbing over time.
@georgesealy4706 3 роки тому
@@fivish California has 15 million cars registered. They already have brownouts. Now add 15 million energy thirsty cars every day. No air conditioning. No hot water. No charging mobile phones. No lights. No security system. Just people running all over looting stores. Chaos.
@troyarthur9342 Рік тому
Andy makes it look as if this could work for anyone. I think electric vehicles may have their place. If you have the finances to buy one, live in an area with a good climate for one and don't drive a lot of miles per day. However I think they would not work for the majority of people living in rural areas and most definitely not in the northern states. Would probably be difficult for most people living paycheck to paycheck also.
@Serjicaladdictable 10 місяців тому
Stop living paycheck to paycheck
@donaldlyons17 9 місяців тому
Your totally right. But lets just be honest about how he lives close to work too so he can drive all day and not need any extra charge.... Also there is the question of how much power it needs to do snow, ice, and very bad weather....
@JeffDeWitt 5 місяців тому
I'm getting ready to buy a Model 3 single motor. I have a 100 mile a day commute and will primarily be charging this car at home.
@adamdaniels2384 Рік тому
Apparently Tesla loves Andy. Great sales pitch! Nice that he chose to do that with lots of help from my tax dollars. If it’s so wonderful, why does the government need to subsidize it? A bit of slight of hand here I’d say! Figures don’t lie but liars figure! Mostly I hate that the government pushes and demands. What ever happened to freedom of choice for gas preference people?
@FrederickWalser 2 роки тому
A real cost comparison would not include free charging due to credits for being a youtube personality.
@tsminnal 2 роки тому
Plus it cost more CO2 to make one Tesla now X that by numbers of productions.
@The_Christ_Angel 2 роки тому
And the Bible says that in the end of days, the tax gods will upgrade the financial system and will never need to tax solar panel people to generate revenue to keep the satellites in space that keeps the freeloading tax dodgers online using UKposts and watching advance movies at home made by new technologies that requires satellites.
@ThomasClark123 2 роки тому
Nothing is free. You pay for electricity up front or in taxes. Also, who pays for putting up these charging units that you consider free?
@tsminnal 2 роки тому
@@ThomasClark123 exactly, we pay from all ends and how much is this electric vehicle going to save Earth? I feel like there's a catch in this. Should I or not get an electric car?
@ThomasClark123 2 роки тому
@@tsminnal Nobody is talking about the cost of producing these batteries and how much pollution is involved with manufacturing them. Also, how long doe these batteries last and what do you do with them when there are dead...
@tyronekim3506 2 роки тому
In California we have water shortage and power shortage problems. If more people drive electric cars, the power shortage problem is going to get worst.
@toddr3644 2 роки тому
Predictably worse. Hence they push them.
@jrno93 2 роки тому
and yet commiefornians voter frauded gangsters Garrceti and Newsom back in office to help further degredate commifornia
@niko-laus 2 роки тому
did you know there are solar cells invented and wind generators and electric cars with his own solar roof ?
@tyronekim3506 2 роки тому
@@niko-laus I think I have seen a picture of the electric car that you mentioned. I thought the car was an experimental. How practical are the electric cars you mention for daily commute? What is its continuous driving range?
@niko-laus 2 роки тому
@@tyronekim3506 we talking about the future this car has easy interchangeable batteries and change the batteries after whatever range is necessary my grandfather was driving such an electric truck in 1902 in berlin
@robertcope9494 Рік тому
How will using the heater or air conditioning lower the range? Does winter come to where you live?
@rodneylw10 Рік тому
My family has looked at EVs and had a home green evaluation. For us, it is not an optimal situation at present. That said, I learned a few tips to share. If your family has mostly local driving and charging it makes sense. In our case, we could have one EV as a primary car; however, it would not be my vehicle. I have to tow a camper so a truck is required. I considered the Rivian and the F150 but the range is about 120 miles while towing as shown by owners. I would not want to leave home with a 100% charge, drive two hours and then pull over to charge 45 min to 85% then have even less range the rest of the trip. That is what is recommended as the last 15% of battery takes almost one hour to complete in addition to the 45 minutes to 85%. That would mean drive two hours, stop two hours. I cannot do that. The house was another story. We are planning on solar now. We have emergency backup and the idea that we would no longer have electric bills is great. In FL there is a flat rate, no peak/off peak rates, so the timing incentive does not matter but in 2018 we were paying 7 cents a kilowatt and now 12 cents. They plan, we heard, to raise the rate three more times through 2023. We already have several saving appliances and other smart home features. So, we haven't joined the EV movement yet but we are working toward sustainability with you. :)
@SpottedSharks Рік тому
Yes, towing a trailer/camper, etc. really kills an EV's range. They definitely aren't ready for that.
@markmiller8903 4 місяці тому
Make sure your solar costs less than current charges from utility. Most have escalation costs hidden in the contract.
@annoyedatthis1 2 роки тому
"Off-peak" will eventually become "peak" with everyone charging at night. In cities that have rolling brownouts to keep electricity flowing during summer peak usage, I can foresee serious issues trying to charge during these periods.
@fredgervinm.p.3315 2 роки тому
CA...
@Ryan_Richter 2 роки тому
In almost all grid systems, adding more units further spreads out the usage distribution, so don't think it would ever invert the peak vs. off peak to a further extreme than it already is. I would imagine that the distinction of prices between peak/off peak would diminish, though. And having a more stable power generation profile makes the whole system more efficient. Chargers could also moderate times for optimum distribution as well; if you park for 12 hours but you could feasibly charge in 4, then it could draw at a low rate like 1/3 of maximum capacity, or only at the full power during the optimal time range (like 2-6 AM).
@diogeneskoolaid8437 2 роки тому
they've already done something similar in CA and AZ. it used to be cheaper after 5:00 in the evening but now they've changed it to 4-9 is "peak" (most expensive) time for energy use. they package it like it's some kind of new better system but in reality they realize the most households are 2 income meaning no one is home during the day but come home in the evening and cook, clean, watch tv, etc. so they screw us over while telling us it is some kind of good/green thing.
@surfyogi 2 роки тому
U R full of shite, PEAK hours are due to air conditioning in summer, used by commercial companies; and people are mostly not home then and encouraged not to use electricity to cool or heat during those times.
@annoyedatthis1 2 роки тому
@@surfyogi Pretty hostile. BTW, my utility company breaks down my bill into "peak" and "off-peak" hours and currently, "off-peak" is after work hours (as you mention), when most people-once they return home-will turn on their lights, air conditioners, utilities and eventually plug in their EV's. My point was that if EV's become the norm, will "off-peak" remain off-peak, or will the increased load, along the other uses described, create an enhanced demand that will recategorize off-peak? Why don't you weigh in and let us know if you think this is possible?
@mrawesomeDK 3 роки тому
My biggest problem isn't charging - it's getting the car to the 26th floor where I live. It doesn't even fit in the elevator.
@malakitity5799 2 роки тому
then move to a 1st floor apartment
@bigdavedayday1581 2 роки тому
Get a helicopter
@xzox 2 роки тому
Up the stairs
@TheUnknown-mg8fv 8 місяців тому
So after warranty expires I have to force to get battery warranty?
@joerocket2670 8 місяців тому
Andy, You are so knowledgeable about Tesla! I really appreciate you for all your Tesla video clips.
@NishraRama 2 роки тому
Charge with electricity produced 99% by the fossil fuels, also I wonder when those lithium battries are dead, where do you dump them?
@asajayunknown6290 2 роки тому
Agreed. They can be 90+% recycled, but there's no where near the scale or economic incentive to do so. Most will end up in landfills
@josepholiva2672 2 роки тому
I use to own a hybrid honda civic until my lithium battery took a sh.. The cost to replace it with a DIY install was 1600 at lowest cost and as high as 2000. The vehicle only had 85000 miles.
@darylfoster7944 2 роки тому
According to research I've done, it takes 13k BTU to refine a gallon of gas. It takes 10k BTU to generate a kwh of electricity. There are 33.7 kwh energy equivalent in a gallon of gas. So if it takes 337k BTU to generate a gallon equivalent of electricity, that's 26x as many BTU as gasoline. Even if a Tesla gets five times the mileage of the average ICE car, that's still 5x the BTU required. So I'm having trouble seeing the advantage of an EV if those extra BTUs are coming from fossil fuels. Does anyone know if my numbers are correct?
@chesterpophamproductions2879 2 роки тому
The Tesla battery for the S series is $7,500 without installation. That is from a customer receipt where the battyery was damaged and not covered by warranty.
@NishraRama 2 роки тому
@@chesterpophamproductions2879 Yes, the hidden cost no one wants to talk about.
@mysteriousplankton 2 роки тому
Making the batteries for these cars is a nightmare, both ecologically and humanely. Does anyone care?
@Skank_and_Gutterboy 2 роки тому
What also gets blown off: when I buy a new battery, I spend anywhere between $99 and $189 depending on brand name, etc. A new battery for these EVs cost thousands, same for hybrids. Fuck that.
@jesmann66 2 роки тому
Ummm. Need the crude and refined oil to make the EV... so now what Turntimetable?
@mastmec 2 роки тому
No, they like to drive around so everyone sees them saving the world. Lol
@origionalwinja 2 роки тому
@turntimetable EV batteries are STILL far far worse. they also cant be recycled worth a crap, and wont be any time soon. my Mustang GT is better for the environment than an EV and the first thing i do is rip all the emissions crap off it the day i got it. i average 32 mpg with a 510 rear wheel HP 5.0 V8 engine...
@Skank_and_Gutterboy 2 роки тому
@@mastmec Yeah, I've seen some of the YT channels where Tesla owners get together and stroke each other. They think VERY highly of themselves.
@ZR1Terror 9 місяців тому
I need a Model 3. I drive to multiple job sites, meetings, picking up checks, pulling out permits, quoting new jobs, dropping off/picking up my son. I do this daily on my big F-250 Diesel truck.
@Jopp7in Рік тому
He doesn’t mention lost productive hours waiting to charge when traveling, time wasted planning to find charging stations. He falsely reducing the cost by his free miles and referral miles. A very biased video with skewed costs.
@IIARROWS Рік тому
He doesn't mention because there is none. In the video he mentioned how that's completely absent for daily use, for trip he mentioned he got charge at destination, you can charge while eating. Usually he just doesn't waste time. And even if he wastes a few hours waiting in a year, that's compensated by the time he would have spent going to a gas pump every time in a year.
@liveloud9894 2 роки тому
Wait until all the subsidies come to an end then you see the true cost of electric vehicles go through the roof
@jaybee3165 2 роки тому
tesla gets zero. their credits ran out a couple years ago. true cost of owning my model Y? bout 1/3 the cost of owning a gas burner. especially in CA.
@victorhopper6774 2 роки тому
@@jaybee3165 depends a lot on how many miles a car is used over a set period of time plus the price of electric and gas. a 10,000 dollar "gas tank" does not make sense if you only drive 2,000 miles a year unless gas is 13 bucks a gallon. i do see a huge savings when some big trucks go electric. lots of trucks out there driven between 100-200 miles a day. makes way more sense than cars on average.
@bstrakos2934 2 роки тому
How much did your home electric bill go up? In the end it still takes fossil fueled generating plant to charge you electric car at home. Can you make a 1200 mile trip and find charging station? How long does it take for a recharge at a road station?
@darylfoster7944 2 роки тому
@@jaybee3165 Tesla credits will restart under Biden's plan.
@jaybee3165 2 роки тому
@@darylfoster7944 good. that will place the model 3 within reach of the majority of consumers.... a base model 3 for $28,500.00 for CA residents? why buy a toyota camry? gas prices on the rise, $75.00 for an oil change, heavy handed smog requirements by the CA dmv... theft of catalytic converters here is very common... EV's make way more sense.
@charlierumsfeld6626 2 роки тому
As more electric vehicles come on line and charge from home, what will electric utilities have to do to keep up with demand? Upgrades will be passed on to the consumer in higher rates.
@deplorablechump8758 2 роки тому
The car owner could be responsible for the upgrade because it could be considered “added load”. And the upgrade could be up to ten thousand dollars.
@jaybee3165 2 роки тому
WRONG. again. utility companies are running scared from tesla power. PG&E is trying like HELL to get legislation passed to TAX tesla solar power systems for every kwh produced- EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT TIED TO THE GRID! the current energy producers ARE big oil. they're just as threatened by solar as they are by tesla vehicles. EVERY story / study you've EVER read about EV's being bad- paid for by ? big oil. THEY LIED TO YOU. renewables don't cost more- THEY COST LESS! not difficult AT ALL to look up the cost of producing solar energy per kwh. see for yourself.
@jwhan8615 2 роки тому
The amount of copper to do such currently is not mined. The copper industry would need to expand its current rate of mining 5 times. Thats just for the infrastructure for added electricity, it doesn't include the 150lbs of copper each EV contains. According to the Periodic table, the only other metal capable of carrying current is silver and there isn't enough on the planet for that. Once you factor in the needed nickle, cobalt and a few other metals its physically impossible to have nearly as many EV's as gas vehicles.
@jaybee3165 2 роки тому
@@jwhan8615 I'm SO GLAD you figured all that out! you should call elon RIGHT AWAY & let him know that you & the oil trillionaires you're shilling for have solved ALL their problems. and by the by- they ARE mining copper, but not nearly as much as they could be. copper is not even close to being in short demand. recycle rate alone would meet tesla's demand for quite some time to come. you REALLY should check your sources before you dive all in. all the fud you've been reciting comes straight from big oil. they don't believe in their BS either- that's why they- along with GM, Toyota & ford spend BILLIONS funding election campaigns, lobbying and paying off government officials & federal agencies- THEY KNOW THEY CAN'T WIN. if they could? there would be NO NEED to cheat, lie, murder & bribe. all they'd have to do is just sit & wait for eV's to implode. but that's NOT what they're doing. did you know that the fed gave big oil 21 BILLION in federal subsidies in 2021? an industry that grossed 4.5 TRILLION last year in road transport ALONE. pull your head out of your ass & open your eyes. you're being played. ev's are NOT about 'saving the planet'... or virtue signaling or even about pollution. it's about building a better, safer car. THAT'S ALL. pay attention to what elon says about EV's- RENEWABLE. not green- renewable. you can RECYCLE: copper, cobalt, lithium, nickel, carbon, aluminum, steel. you CANNOT recycle petroleum. and we will eventually run out. but more importantly- if big oil HAD a more valuable product to offer- then they wouldn't constantly whine about ev's- they'd just compete & win. THEY ARE LOSING. my cost of operation? less than 1/4th of yours- car price included. and now that 4680 batteries are here? 1/10th.
@jwhan8615 2 роки тому
@@jaybee3165 I live about 3 miles from the 3rd largest copper mine in the world, I have friends that work there. I know far more than most. I am not a shill for gas. I live in current reality and not not some pie in the sky unattainable nonsense. I am hoping Toyota and their hydrogen engine is as good as they claim, if so EV will join the ranks of good ideas that didn't last long like laser disks for movies.
@machine60 11 місяців тому
When we owned a house, it cost $250 to have a 240 v outlet installed in our garage. The bill included a whole house lightning surge arrester, just to be on the safe side (Florida). When we moved to a condo, it cost $10,000 to get a 208 volt, 50 A outlet installed at our parking spaces, pre-construction. The developer didn’t connect us to a dedicated meter so charging is free. But our 2 Teslas only require about $30 per month so it will take us about 30 years to break even. The convenience is worth it.
@josephlavigne1495 Рік тому
That Tesla actually runs mostly on coal And nuclear
@SpottedSharks Рік тому
Depends on your location. KY & WV, you're right. Idaho, Alaska, Norway is mostly/entirely hydroelectric. And if you've got a solar array like me, no fossil fuels at all.
@josephlavigne1495 Рік тому
@@SpottedSharks sure why the sun is shining and the wind is blowing..... when are those Elite people flying around in private jets going to start taking bicycles or public transit instead.... one private jet flight releases more carbon than a family of four releases in a year
@josefbinter691 2 роки тому
Living in an apartment, having to drive long distances, make electric cars undoable. I drove from Murrieta, Ca to Kansas City, MO, which was about 1,650 miles, in 22 hours. No way, no how could any electric car accomplish this in even a wet dream. People who are easily satisfied always seem to think they have easy answers to the issues they don't have to meet because they're very practiced in ignoring how different the lives, conditions, and needs of many people are from their own.
@hzzn 2 роки тому
Many ppl? I wonder how many ppl want to drive a car for 22 hours straight. It takes a person driving at 75 miles an hour to travel 1650 miles in 22 hours. If you had multiple pit stop and rest stops along the way then you were absolutely speeding and going way past 75 mph. If you slept at all during those 22 hours then this entire post is one large lie.
@lucasmccahill8857 2 роки тому
right... you cant drive anywhere. 12 hrs to charge- WTF is he talkin' about? You won't be able to go anywhere at the spur of the moment or any kind of distance, and this all sounds way more expensive than gas, anyway. And who the fk only drives 2000 mi a year?
@Number6_ 2 роки тому
These people are called liberals! They love black people , vote Joe biden and are coming to your comment section to tell you how wrong you are , with out any refutation of your story.
@Number6_ 2 роки тому
@@hzzn Dan the liberal man! I also have driven 22 hrs non stop. And there are millions of us who do not want to stop at every Starbucks along the way! While I am sure your math is a lie, 75 mph is a perfectly reasonable speed.
@paul4020 2 роки тому
Distance 1,640.0 miles Driving Time 25:56 Charging Time 5:19 Total Trip Time 31:16 Total Energy Used 395.0 kWh 1,317 RM Average Efficiency 241 Wh/mile Net Elevation Change -203 feet Driving time is 26 hours not 22. BTW, my road trips are absolutely free. I can drive non-stop coast to coast and back and it wouldn't cost me a dime. You're paying $100 for every fill-up which gets you maybe 400 miles. Your 1600 mile trip just cost you $400 and $800 round trip. Have a nice day.
@Sweetaccord 2 роки тому
You also forgot to mention the cost of replacing the battery. That's half the cost of the car.
@marcus6286 2 роки тому
About $16,000 all inclusive (labor, other parts necessary for switch,etc) Battery lasts 300-500 thousand though . This all depends on how much you drive and the type of driving you do. For me 15,000 a year gets me estimated 20 years before battery dies. I think I’d get another car before that even after 10 as fast as tech is moving. It’s a non issue to majority of people , unless you drive 30,000 plus a year or more
@christophercook7097 2 роки тому
According to torture tests on the batteries in Tesla cars, your suspension will fail before the battery pack does.
@thirdofherne9232 2 роки тому
@@marcus6286 Yes but that's assuming you're the first owner of the car. The used market is where most people buy their vehicle.
@MickH60 2 роки тому
@@marcus6286 Nope, wrong again, why do you lot make this shit up ? legit question....
@marcus6286 2 роки тому
Mick H www.findmyelectric.com/blog/tesla-battery-replacement-cost-explained/
@jeffreykolikof8222 Рік тому
Andy in your comparison if you also added the amount of basic maintenance for the BMW the difference would be staggering.
@philliplewis3754 Рік тому
Andy Slye I found your video very interesting. I was trying to figure out if you dipped into researching electrical information or if you are in a related field for your video. When you came to the part where you explained the 94% efficiency I had a thought. Have you ever ever heard of a VAR manager sometimes called a KVAR manager? Disclaimer: I don't sell VAR managers, I don't know anyone that sells VAR managers and I'm not selling anything else. They are a multiple step capacitor system designed to maintain the best power factor. I'm curious if a VAR manager installed on the power distribution to the Charging Station would clean up the power factor to bring that efficiency up to 100%. I had a VAR manager on a 480v 500A Motor Control Panel that fed power throughout a 250,000sq ft retail building, there was a 2nd unit on a 200A MCC. Our energy bill from Burbank W&P averaged $90,000 to $120,000 per month. They would pay us for our VAR managers, cleaning up the power factor saved us money and it earned us money, typically that was around $10,000-$13,000 per month. Their technology is based on "discrete time signal processing". I have no idea how small the smallest is or how big the biggest is or their corresponding price tag. It just struck me that efficiency should be higher for integrated circuits.
@erwinallen2309 2 роки тому
Not everyone is going to get all that free stuff. I would like to see a total cost if you were not getting all the free stuff.
@uliwehner 2 роки тому
is your calculator broken?
@jaybee3165 2 роки тому
I can answer that question: model Y owner with tesla solar & power wall. going from grid power with gas cars to solar with a tesla EV... saves about $260 a month- INCLUDING car payment and solar system payment. KACHING.
@dannywilsher4165 2 роки тому
@@jaybee3165 Totally uniformed!!!
@mostlyguesses8385 2 роки тому
@@jaybee3165 ... Without any numbers I don't believe ev and solar is cheaper than gas car n grid.. . . Maybe when the numbers fall more in a decade, otherwise we wouldn't need laws to force the change.... It is amazing how little we spend on gasoline n natural gas n power, like $3k a year, going solar and ev is huge $50k cost most Americans can't afford without crippling debt, oh well eff the poor.
@paulburns4806 2 роки тому
@@jaybee3165 once enough people are in ev cars the government will start to charge tax on ev by the mile, wait for it because it's coming!
@chriscat85 2 роки тому
Started out great, but when you skipped the cost of the free stuff you lost credibility. Kinda like me saying my F350 gas is free cause my company pays for it when I travel. Thus my fuel price for the year is less than yours.
@happydazeharvick4399 2 роки тому
My exact thoughts, also.
@Tribunal1023 Рік тому
Thank you for letting me know about the tax credit. My install will be the same situation as yours
@TheFitTherapist Рік тому
I just bought a used Tesla. I just like them I don’t really care about being green. I also receive NO tax breaks or incentives in my state. In fact, my state dings you with a road usage fee of $150 with your yearly tags. Anyway, The NEMA 14-50 was $265 to install by my electrician, right next to my electrical box. Two weeks of charging cost me $5. I just got my first electric bill with the car and it had exactly 2 weeks of it on there. I do not charge daily. Maybe every 2-3 days.
@cmill8999 3 роки тому
I would like to see performance results on a 520 mile (one way) trip across the Midwest in late January during a blizzard that started as freezing rain and in the first three hours became 10 inches of snow and 30mph winds. Followed by the sun setting and air temperatures dropping into the negative 20's.
@suzannehartmann946 3 роки тому
YES
@jamesjoslin7586 3 роки тому
Disaster
@williamsimmons152 3 роки тому
Except for the negative 20 conditions....why would you jeopardize yourself or a gas powered car in the other conditions anyway?
@cmill8999 3 роки тому
Because life
@lcmichaels7215 3 роки тому
@@williamsimmons152 some people have to work in order to eat. In the midwestern states, a blizzard does not necessarily mean a day off of work. you can drive into work at 10am in a cold rain, and walk out to your car at 7pm with 6 inches of snow on it. Electric vehicles are not the one fit answer for transportation in the United States.
@MsCaryopteris 3 роки тому
I work for a custom builder, and we’ve put in charging stations many times. Even when the electrician is already there for new construction, he charges more than $100 to install a charging station. I think it’s $350. No electrician is going to make a special trip out and put in a charging station for $100.
@timothyjones3410 3 роки тому
And how long do the batteries last and what is the cost of replacement. This isn't a $5000 hybrid battery. Factor new batteries in for a 12 year ownership cycle and then tell us the savings.
@snowrocket 3 роки тому
@@timothyjones3410 Long term, you make a good point. Right now, if you look up USED, junkyard battery packs for a Nissan Leaf or a Tesla Model S, they cost roughly half of what a running, driving car of the same year costs. AND, I'll BET most of the junkyards DO NOT load test these packs OR give any range warranty. Also, if that salvage yard pack sits, not temperature controlled or regularly charged, it will get permanently damaged. So, if it sits for a while, $15,000+ is a lot of money to pay for no guarantee that it will perform as expected. New battery packs will cost more, of course. And who will sell them to you and at what price and warranty? I'm all for EVs, but the long term cost and practicality could be iffy.
@timothyjones3410 3 роки тому
Snowrocket yes, disposal issues are not being factored in, plus pollution issues that come from a huge manufacting uptick in battery production. Lead and nasty chemicals are being brought into our environment for this technology.. Elements of our society want to centralize automotive use. Do those cars have electronic identifiers so that, if they chose to do so, they could prevent electricity from fueling those cars? I don't think that's science fiction.
@thomaswoosley4821 3 роки тому
Batteries have improved over the years but they still require more energy with time to recharge. They have to be charged more frequently and for longer periods. Eventually, there won't be enough charge for a trip around the block and they have to be replaced. I don't know what Tesla claims for battery life but no one can accurately predict the availability and cost of materials to replace them 5 or 10 years from now as the demand for EVs increases.
@theslimeylimey 3 роки тому
@@thomaswoosley4821 Lithium ion batteries have been used in cars for over a decade now so they is pretty good data on longevity. They actually hold up better than expected. I forget the numbers so you'd have to look it up but the drop in range over time is not a lot.
@eberg21955 Рік тому
how many hours on the road are you waiting to charge.? what do you do with the time listen to the radio??
@markcosta4337 Рік тому
The problem is is eventually someone's going to have to pay for it and the batteries are going to have to be replaced at the cost of 11 Grand that will suck up your cost of a gasoline engine. The short range of cars are good for the city but not for over the road.
@TheGreatSnafoo 3 роки тому
In the future if there's more e-cars being charged during off peak hours, off peak hours will disappear, and you will be charged for peak hours.
@vindaro1119 3 роки тому
Still would be cheaper than gas.
@TheGreatSnafoo 3 роки тому
@@vindaro1119 that to might change
@toddaulner5393 3 роки тому
You are so smart!!!
@TheGreatSnafoo 3 роки тому
@@toddaulner5393 well I been around awhile I know how people will try to make as much money as they can. Tell me when gas tax revenue starts dwindling away they aren't going to look for ways to recoup that? Your kidding yourself. Sure you may not pay as much but over time they'll increase.
@rogerhegemier8491 3 роки тому
The writing is all over my walls, and it's true !!! im going to start driving my Steam driven Car all ya Need is a Garden Hose and Filler up !!!!
@davidhackamack4143 2 роки тому
Here in Mn our electric costs double about every 7-8 yrs. Currently the electric company is looking for a 20% increase ( isn’t green energy wonderful) so anyone thinking EV are great solutions must have deep pockets
@fritznien 2 роки тому
your missing the worst part. electric cars will have to pay road tax at some time. just a matter of having enough of them on the road
@mooseymoo1328 2 роки тому
@@fritznien Very True! Governments lose a lot of road tax money.
@xrpvegas5407 2 роки тому
Yes but that’s democratic communist Minnesota socialist Minnesota
@Psychiatrick 2 роки тому
Here's the hack ... "green" car dependent on dirty energy to charge it! Talk about brain dead! By the weigh, Tesla was extracting electricity from the atmosphere! What a crock of shi'ite!
@davidb6403 2 роки тому
@@xrpvegas5407 you don't understand "communism"
@arthouston7361 Рік тому
Near the end, you mentioned the solar panels. Previously, you mentioned charging at night. I don't think that's going to work out with the panels. Also, as I explained to a guy your age this past week, if you had Dumbledore's wand, and could change all of the gasoline F150 trucks into the new electric variety, people who owned them would have two choices: run their air conditioning this summer, OR charge the truck. We don't have the needed grid to do both, and we won't have it for another 40 years or so, unless we can move fusion along and have power produced in large quantities locally, but that, like electric vehicles in common use, is a pipe dream....or a wire dream, in this case.
@IIARROWS Рік тому
WOW, thank you! I guess the whole world never realised that solar panel cannot provide energy during the night. Here, you can have the Nobel prize. Do you think you can think a way to ignore that "problem" or do you need an hint? Scroll down for one. Hint: every solar installation comes with batteries, they are used to store energy when production is above usage (like midday), and use it when production is below. It also helps with stabilise the output.
@arthouston7361 Рік тому
@@IIARROWS They can do that as long as the people can afford to purchase the panels and the batteries, and have enough solar exposure to keep those batteries fully charged, but at that point you're talking about maybe 5% of the population...so good luck making that work.
@1PUNISHER Рік тому
This is B>S> There are already rolling blackouts. Just think how much electric will cost when it is the only energy available. Think of the demand. Power companies already worry about keeping up with the demand.
@jameshaas5922 2 роки тому
I just sold my 2016 Hyundai Veloster after owning it for a bit over 4 years. I put just a shade under 75,000 miles on it and kept track of every tank on my mileage keeper app. According to the app I averaged 31.5 mpg over that time and spent $5,201.33 on regular unleaded gas. I also had the oil changed every 7500 miles so roughly 9 times at around $40 a pop. I bought it new and had no additional problems or repairs required on my little turbo econo-box and it was kind of fun to drive but still cost significantly more than electric (tho much less then the Beemer). But, and this is a big but, it only cost me around $23,000 off the lot w taxes and tag, etc. in 2017 while the average price for a new electric in 2021 according to Kelley Blue Book is running over $51,000. It would take me 10 years in your Tesla to break even. I get the environmental side and I’m ready to try one but…. Great video tho and thanks for the info!
@Dherpy 2 роки тому
Tesla model 3 off the lot for around 35000
@budgettech5526 2 роки тому
@@Dherpy model 3 RWD right now is priced at $44900 without taxes and fees.
@knokname6466 2 роки тому
@@Dherpy And a four wheel drive model is... unobtanium.
@courtneesdad 2 роки тому
Environmental? Did you ever watch videos on how cobalt is mined? They are making an environmental nightmare. Then where do we dispose of the dead batteries when we are done? Hopefully they can get it right in the near future
@steveharrigan1296 2 роки тому
good video, but your cost is not accurate to the average person. The Average person would not have that many supercharge points given to them. i wish you did your calculations bason on all your charging costs as if you had to pay for all of them. So every time you had to use supercharging there was a cost you did not factor in because you have free super charging basically. which the average person wont.
@wvincus5522 3 роки тому
I live in an apartment. Where am I going to charge my car? There is no charging station in the apartment. You need to factor in the cost of battery replacement if you intend on keeping the car for ten years and the impact to the environment due to batteries.
@gregoryeverson741 3 роки тому
thats what im saying, cuz when batteries die, they have small charges left, what if i want to drive 600miles in a day, its what poor white people do for vacations
@juliahello6673 3 роки тому
Batteries last more than 10 years. And they’re recycled, not thrown away. Charging in an apartment is a challenge though.
@wvincus5522 3 роки тому
@@juliahello6673 You are wrong. Look it up. It’s eight years life expectancy. They are limited on charge cycles like all batteries. Then replacement is necessary. As more cars are produced, more mining and environmental impact to make more batteries plus power transmission lines and coal consumption. Try to look at the whole picture not just what you want to see.
@lonniebeal6032 3 роки тому
@@juliahello6673 I've already met someone who's batteries didn't last, he got them replaced and got rid of the EV.
@sorellman 3 роки тому
@@gregoryeverson741 Don't worry. If you one of those poor people, you can't afford to buy a Tesla.
@martintunys3698 Рік тому
I remember the other day driving a long distance in a hot summer several EVs parked in front of a charging station waiting for their turn. My estimation was about 2 hours of waiting minimum. Thanks for gas when I can refuel within few minutes.
@SpottedSharks Рік тому
I've never had to wait to charge. You aren't lying, are you? Jesus doesn't like that.
@wallybass6716 Рік тому
One can always find outlier cases, and claim they are the norm, which you have effectively done. Bottom line, though, is that electric charging stations "ports" are incredibly cheap to construct compared gas station pumps, and as EV's become anywhere near as popular as gas powered cars, charging ports everywhere will be much more readily available in real time, compare to gas pumps. "The market", which I presume you believe in, will insure that.
@sail2surf Рік тому
2016 BMW i3, 4 miles per kilowatt or 0.25 kilowatts per mile. I can do better if no heater/air conditioner or worse with a heavy accelerator pedal pressure (more fun taking off from stops). My San Francisco area electric cost, on a tiered schedule using the best plan for our lifestyle, meaning we need to use electricity after work to bedtime, charge the car early am, is 42 cents a kilowatt. So for 75,000 miles that is $7,875. The car sold new for $52,000. I bought it as a lease return 3 years later for $20,000. I don’t think Teslas depreciate that fast. I have 30,000 miles at 6 years old and cannot detect any battery capacity loss. BMW will replace the battery free if 70% loss in 8 years /100,000 miles. The car is like a go cart, fun an easy around town, not so much on a freeway. My 2012 Toyota Highlander Hybrid gets 28 miles per gallon. 75,000 at $3.50/gallon is $9,375. That was last year. Now gas here is $7.00/gal, or $18,750 for 75,000 miles.
@benstagram97 3 роки тому
Hey Andy! Now that you’ve gone 75,000 Miller lites, you should do another video about your battery degradation. I’m interested to see those results.
@victorjones1783 3 роки тому
Million mile battery, buddy. Million mile battery.
@benstagram97 3 роки тому
@@victorjones1783 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
@evz1244 3 роки тому
When?
@jodyyestrau8459 3 роки тому
My understanding is the the batteries degrade 2% per year.
@SherlocckHolmez 3 роки тому
@@jodyyestrau8459 they degrade ~10% the first year or two. maybe 1-2% each year after that.
@angelaweathersbee1334 3 роки тому
Lived in Florida years ago. During hurricane season one year, we were without power for 18 days, then 20 days. Now in rural Ozarks. No charging stations, and long distance to town.
@gundamkei3756 2 роки тому
No power for gas stations either. Stuck either way.
@brucefrykman8295 2 роки тому
@@gundamkei3756 Bullshit - a simple low power gas powered generator provides power to the pump for most stations.
@johnboytoo1 2 роки тому
@@brucefrykman8295 I guess none of the station around here new that :) or was it that cash registers, lights, locks, doors, alarms also didn't work when we loss electricity in most of northeast Texas during the freeze
@tinytownsoftware7989 2 роки тому
@@gundamkei3756 If only gas stations had some sort of way to GENERATE electricity using some sort of fuel when there is no power.
@brucefrykman8295 2 роки тому
@?????? You greenies don't really understand energy and work do you? 1f a 5 hp generator lifts 10,000 gallons of fuel per hour the six feet or so from an underground fuel storage to a vehicle gas tank how many vehicles will it fill up in an hour? How man Teslas can a 5 hp generator fuel in an hour?
@jerryavalos9610 Рік тому
Obviously your video is the promotion of green energy. Recently California after signing legislation banning combustion engine cars by 2035, the state is urging people not to charge electric vehicles during peak hours to avoid power outages. There are other factors involved in the purchase of an EV, there is the cost of a EV which many people cannot afford, the replacement of a battery which in many cases cost about half of how much the car is worth and right now, the infrastructure to support EV is not there yet. I will keep my paid off, and gas efficient $24,000 combustion engine car as long as I can.
@SpottedSharks Рік тому
EVs drivers almost entirely charge at night anyway. Battery replacement is LESS common than replacing an engine in an IC car.
@jerryavalos9610 Рік тому
@@SpottedSharks Charging your EV overnight is most likely the norm if you aren't planning on going across the country on vacation or if you need to make an emergency long trip past the EV's charge. Battery replacements no doubt are covered by the warranty for usually 8 years thanks to Federal mandates. However as you approach 8 years for your EV, its usually recommended that you get into another car before the warranty on your EV expires unless you buy an extended warranty.
@SpottedSharks Рік тому
@@jerryavalos9610 It's true EV driver likely charge during the day when they are on a road-trip. I certainly do since I do my driving during the day. However, the fraction of EV drivers on a road-trip at any one time is likely small.
@Ben00000 Рік тому
I'm sure people said the same about gas cars when they had perfectly good horses--over time and as the tech develops, I think it'll be much more feasible for most people.
@trex2092 Рік тому
Another reason it SUCKs to live in Kali. Oh, and BTW, I hear now is a great time to invest in buggy whips.
@keithamdahl3948 Рік тому
So after 10 years a Volt battery is a $28000 cost... a replacement gas tank is under $500. So the fuel container is an added expense of $27500. divide that by the 10 year lifespan to get $2700. Add the electricity cost to that to get the real per year cost of driving an EV. A gas car for a typical 10000 mile year would be around $1000 for a 30mpg car and $3 gas. So its actually looking like the cost of the EV is 2-3x a gas car.
@SpottedSharks Рік тому
Battery replacement is not a certainty. In fact, it's extremely unlikely. But let's say there's a 1% change you'll need to replace it over the 200k mile life of the car. That means the expected cost of battery replacement is 1% x $28,000 = $280.
@Remember-Death 3 роки тому
I enjoyed your bidet analogy at the end of the video. I was inspired... So I got a bidet installed in my Tesla.
@Johnny-adamser 2 роки тому
Sounds… clean
@davew5611 2 роки тому
Yea, really didn’t care to hear about his personal hygiene.
@happydazeharvick4399 2 роки тому
Next, astronomical growth in bidet sales at the Tesla dealership.
@ginpok6640 2 роки тому
And I now carry toilet paper in my Kia Optima
@casstran 2 роки тому
@@happydazeharvick4399 you meant "gastronomical" growth.
@Genesis.1-1 2 роки тому
You are correct that location has a lot to do with overall cost and efficiency. I'm not sure how you found an electrician to complete you charging station install so cheaply but good for you. A good friend of mine bought a new Tesla last year and built a new house shortly after. The additional cost for the builder to install a 240V charging port in his new construction house was nearly $5k. Climate also has a great deal to do with battery discharge and efficiency. The availability of charging stations is also a factor when you travel. If everyone drove an electric car, the strain on the nation's electrical grid would be unstainable without significant upgrades. Places like California can barely provide power for basic electrical needs much less 10 million cars hooked to the grid every day to recharge. There is also the environmental cost of producing the batteries and mining the materials necessary to make them. Add to that the disposal of toxic batteries...every ten years or so and it's a scenario much worse than gas powered cars. The cost of electric cars also puts them out of the grasp of most people. I when I bought my last new car in 2021, I looked for a hybrid version of the same model. They were unavailable within 100 miles of where I live and also cost @$15k more to buy. Electric vehicles may be the future of transportation, but infrastructure, durability, manufacturing and disposal are all issues that need significant development to make that a viable reality. The "let them eat cake" attitude of elites who demand everyone simply convert is irritating and fully exposes their mindset as completely disconnected from the everyday reality of the vast majority of Americans.
@tomc3216 Рік тому
Thanks for pointing out the reality of electric cars. Also if you have an electric roof that electricity feeds back into the grid and it may offset some of the charging costs I highly doubt it would be free to charge your car.
@perniciouspete4986 Рік тому
Also, don't forget that all U.S. taxpayers are subsidizing these corksoakers with tax cuts.
@emmitmeyer1368 Рік тому
C'mon now....Logic is not spoken out loud these days...Another thing nobody is talking about.... Most road building and repair budgets are based upon income from gas taxes....Whose pocket do you think they are going to pick once there is no gas to tax?
@Genesis.1-1 Рік тому
@@emmitmeyer1368 That's a good point. The tax will fall to your utilities I suppose.
@MAGAMAN Рік тому
Yeah, commiefornia can't currently keep their lights on, but they want everyone to drive electric vehicles. Absolute idiocy!
@sk8crk Рік тому
WE PAY 26¢ per kWh in where I live... 13¢ per kWh plus an equal "delivery charge".... it's equal to petro @ $5.12 per gallon
@doctormallard0 Рік тому
I’ve owned a Tesla model 3 for almost 5 years. I love the car, but forget about saving money versus gas in my area. Massachusetts electric rates are about 39 cents per kWh, versus your claimed off peak rates of 7-9cents in Kentucky. I haven’t referred anyone, so I have no free miles. I also live in a colder climate where battery efficiency drops by roughly 30% during much of the winter. I charge at home with a 110 outlet, which works great for me,so I had no electric installation costs. On trips where I use superchargers, when I calculate actual miles driven versus and Tesla charging fees versus average gasoline costs for a midsize care, I find that I am often paying more at Tesla superchargers than a comparable price at the gas station. I’m often paying 9 cents per theoretical mile, which translates to $2.70/gallon for a mid size car getting 30 mpg. But in reality, if you drive 5-7 mph over the speed limit, as most drivers do, your range, even in the warm months is reduced. So in reality, I’m paying 10-11 cents per mile.. During the cold part of winter, I’m paying closer to 13-14 cents per mile. That no bargain at $4.20/gallon equivalent. On the cost saving side….the car requires virtually zero maintenance! No oil changes, brakes, tuneups etc. My take…love the car, but don’t expect to s a a penny versus gas.
@vinbar35 2 роки тому
All very well for those that live in properties that have off road parking. Millions here in the UK live in terraced and apartment properties (with no guarantee of even being able to park outside your own house) will be forced to use public charging stations where the cost to recharge is not much cheaper than petrol or diesel. Add to that having to wait a considerable amount of time to replenish the battery and the high premium of an EV over an equivalent ICE vehicle doesn't make for cheap motoring. I'm pretty sure this will be replicated the world over. The only way I'd consider buying an EV is if the range was a guaranteed real world 500 miles in order to only have to visit a public charge point as few times as possible.
@mattofafnir5654 2 роки тому
Electric vehicles are not green and not the answer. Especially considering the greenies are anti-nuclear energy. Dumb.
@daveblack5109 2 роки тому
The other issue we have in the UK is the lack of capacity to generate electrical power and the lack of infrastructure to deliver that power for home charging (that's if you are lucky enough to have parking space or a drive way..
@vinbar35 2 роки тому
@@daveblack5109 and another thing, lol: here we are already a quarter of the way through 2022 and I don't see much evidence of a rush to get the infrastructure in place.
@boba1024 2 роки тому
@@mattofafnir5654 They use more petroleum products to make than a gasoline car does and has a much higher carbon foot print that people like to complain about. Not to mention, what is generating the electricity that is charging that car? Natural gas? Coal? Nuclear? Hydroelectric?
@boba1024 2 роки тому
Yep, while I have a dedicated parking spot, I don't think they would allow me to put in a charging station. That means I would have to park my car two miles away to charge it.
@nowjustanother 3 роки тому
Okay, who learned WAY more about Andy's hygiene habit than they ever wanted to know?
@spyeatte 3 роки тому
At least he did not supply pictures...
@zackofpersia5086 3 роки тому
using only toilet paper seems so dirty D: i dont have a beday but i use water everytime to clean and i never ever have skid mark's think about doing the same.
@herrunsinn774 3 роки тому
@@zackofpersia5086 T.M.I. !!!
@zackofpersia5086 3 роки тому
@@herrunsinn774 alot of people just used toilet papr, feel like they really need to go back to school and know how to properly clean ourselves. water is really needed downthere.
@Synthwave89 3 роки тому
You learned he's clean and most americans walk around with skidmarks in their cracks. LOL
@davef.2811 Рік тому
Just curious, when the time comes, how much does the battery bank and labor cost to replace it on your Tesla?
@bcpnatl Рік тому
It's expensive, but manufacturers are offering 8-10 year warranties on batteries.
@dennishassler605 Рік тому
Thank you for the insight and you're making out ok. I only get 16 mpg in my cars, but I like long distance traveling. All I want is $2/gallon gas.
@Jake.Gentry 2 роки тому
I think electric cars work well for city driving and stop and go traffic but I’m not a fan at all using them on long distance road trips. I’d rather go hybrid and have the benefits of both with higher mpg and not waiting hours at times to charge up a battery. Just my take on owning my 2013 Chevy volt which I traded in after 4 years bc it was just too much time waiting for it to charge.
@jeffbachmann7161 2 роки тому
A Chevy Volt? What a POS
@alanl3511 2 роки тому
The volt is a hybrid not total electric, hence the long charge time. My electric charges in 50 minutes or less, great time to eat or stretch your legs..
@aljay2955 2 роки тому
I agree with you. I think a lot of people are figuring out the limitations of electric vehicles and would say they're good as city commuters. I would buy a hybrid but not an EV.
@jeffbachmann7161 2 роки тому
Funny. I’d go ICE or EV. Never a Hybred.
@jbfalaska 2 роки тому
I wish I could have bought that from ya. I have a 2102 and love it. Saved $21,500 in gas over my prior gas car.
@uncaboat2399 2 роки тому
So have you considered the substantial environmental damage done by mining lithium for the batteries?
@larryharry7221 2 роки тому
Not to mention the disposal when the batteries crashed out.
@gregorteply9034 2 роки тому
Tesla ownership is not about environment, it is about flexing.
@ForwardWolf-Hobbies 2 роки тому
...and the million of gals of water that becomes contaminated to process the lithium
@joemathis5038 2 роки тому
Nope. Not really.
@uncaboat2399 2 роки тому
@@joemathis5038 think maybe you ought to?
@predatorcove5470 Рік тому
7 cents a kilowatt is awesome. Here in Las Vegas at my house it's 16 cents As a comparison my wife drives are Tesla 1800 miles a month for 75$ I drive our Nissan Altima 600 miles a month for $125 So to drive the same distance a month would be $75 vs $375 A SAVINGS OF $300 A MONTH!!!!! We only do home charging. It takes 5 seconds to plug in and walk away. My garage had a built in 240 volt plug right by the fuse box. Most people's homes already have a built in 240 volt in the garage. It gets me 17 mph and is free We drive the Tesla approx 100 miles a day.. 17x6 is 102 So usually she's completely recharged within 6 hours 30 miles per hour charging is overkill If you actually drive 300 miles in one day then you likely crossed state lines lol Even 150 miles in one day is pretty insane
@Christiane069 Рік тому
Well, today 6/25/2022 price of electricity in southern California is about $ 0.30 a W, and regular gas hit $ 6.29 / gl (cash price at discount stations.) That change the equation. Also you almost do not drive long distance.
@kthompso43 2 роки тому
I keep pondering the thought that 62% of electricity is produced with fossil fuels and taxes are used to fund about 30% of renewable energy projects. Yes, I know, some fossil fuel projects also receive tax benefits, but we're unlikely to achieve parity for awhile. For now, I'm not quite so excited about going electric.
@rightside909 2 роки тому
Our taxes are paying for incentives so everyone is paying for these less efficient evs.
@insertwittymonikerhere 2 роки тому
100% of gas is produced with fossil fuels
@alanaldpal950 2 роки тому
@@insertwittymonikerhere And your point? By the way petroleum is used in thousands of products besides as a fuel.
@surfyogi 2 роки тому
ONLY ONE WAY FORWARD, and that is to figure out if you use enough miles per year to justify moving to solar/EV. Most people do not, but many do.
@OliverHeady1234 2 роки тому
turning fossil fuels into electricity is much more efficient than everyone having their own ICE in each vehicle - even if all electric cars were powered by 100% fossil fuels they’d still be more efficient than gas cars.
@toddlary7210 2 роки тому
And what happens to your $25,000 savings when you need to replace your batteries? I hear that a new battery pack is about $25,000. So in reality it is a wash! ALSO consider that if your home power is provided by burning coal or natural gas, which provides much of the US electric energy, then the environment impact is a wash. Where does the depleted battery pack go?
@1someoneelse 2 роки тому
@@iannealcole your house is solar but someone had to pay for the material and installation of the solar. If you bought a new home with solar then you can rest assured the cost was incorporated into the purchase price of the house. Also if you get rid of the vehicle that soon then someone eventually has to pay for a new battery or the vehicle gets junked or used for parts. all the plastic used In that vehicle has to come from fossil fuel. It may be efficient for you but the fossil fuels used to build and operate the vehicle and dispose of it is not considered. When it is all said and done that vehicle is just as bad for the planet as any other…..I have a cyber truck on order!
@1voiceofstl 2 роки тому
natural gas is super clean ....don't be a hater.
@billw8476 2 роки тому
@@iannealcole admitting you are a democrat during this current disaster is pretty brave, but also stupid
@markwilliams4525 2 роки тому
@@iannealcole if enough people go solar, they will put a meter on it and start charging people a tax because of loss revenue
@rowanparmiter7622 2 роки тому
@@iannealcole must have a HUGE amount of solar panels, plus a battery too? Is that cheap?
@RangerOne2008 Рік тому
What will it cost to depose of the battery when you replace it? What will anew battery cost?
@xuekong4302 Рік тому
when you travel 1000 of miles and you out of power. how much it cost to use the gastation out let? and you have to wait for hours to charge full. and one full charge how far can you go?
@GrandersonDavid 3 роки тому
Can't wait to sit in line at a charging station behind 5 cars that need an hour to charge
@lancecarona2554 2 роки тому
My neighbor now has solar panels which works great in charging his car. I think tesla charging stations charges in about 30 minutes now. I have to admit even charging off the grid while I'm sleeping beats the hell out of going to a gas station.
@stephentaylor8622 2 роки тому
I’ve driven electric since 2013. I use my home charger mostly, and charge at a station once or twice a year.
@GrandersonDavid 2 роки тому
@@lancecarona2554 lol k
@GrandersonDavid 2 роки тому
@@stephentaylor8622 You must drive maybe 10 miles a day. Nice.
@timothyberlinski2299 2 роки тому
Why don't you do some research huh. You can go from 0-80% at a superchargwr in like 30 min and the new ones 15 min
@davidpenny1508 2 роки тому
That is a most informative video, however I wish you would have mentioned how long your batteries are supposed to last before replacement and factored that into you fuel cost.
@shadowbanned5164 2 роки тому
That sir is the 64 thousand dollar question...At the moment the batteries dont have a very long life when in use by petrol standards....I have a 2006 Hyundai when I bought it new it could take me 560 kilometers on a full tank of gas 15 years later it can take me 560 kilometers on a full tank of gas... its going to be interesting to find out the answer to that one.
@idkuokjones9056 2 роки тому
Also not everyone can charge at home.
@blackwind743 2 роки тому
Majority of older model s and x batteries have 90 percent capacity after 200k miles. It's not this simple though as there are outliers. Also, battery chemistries change all the time. The new 4680's claim insignificant degradation after 3.5 million km but we'll see. The new LFP's claim a longer life than the old 18650's but again time will tell.
@jsk.71 2 роки тому
I bet those batteries are not cheap! The ones are in hybrids are quite expressive. I would imagine fully electric vehicle batteries are even more.
@abellseaman4114 2 роки тому
YES!!!!! You are quite right!!!!!!!!!!! Is it not REMARKABLE how studiously electric toy car supporters avoid that issue of battery life and range!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@josto5000 Рік тому
Wow! only .07 per KWH for off peak charging at home. Come to San Diego where off peak costs are .39 per KWH. So for me the charging costs would be over $8,000. My daughter (who unfortunately drank the EV KoolAid) had to upgrade her electrical panel when she had the home charger installed. Total cost for her install right next to her electrical panel - $3,500. She told me she doesn't see any big advantage to her Tesla now (buyers remorse). And don't forget to note the costs of repairs as the build quality of Tesla's is terrible. And then there is the annual loss of range due to battery degradation the cost of battery replacement in about 8 years, which is over $20,000 for the Model S.
@SpottedSharks Рік тому
vs. $11k for gas at $6/gall. for a 40 MPG vehicle.
@Dantee.15 8 місяців тому
I’m renting a Tesla fro uber and im trying to understand where the savings are. I spend about $25 for about 250 miles of range However if I go get a Toyota Prius which takes 12 gallons, at $4 per gallon it’s now $50 to fill up. However you get about 600 miles of range This is the issue. you’re basically spending the same. Yes I save on each full charge up but I charge FULLY twice a day to get through all my Uber trips and side gigs. I’m spending about $40-$60 a day in charging but I was spending this in gas. The Tesla isn’t even saving money. You’re just spending on electricity whatever you spent on gas + having to drive around and look for a charging station
@lampinlance 2 роки тому
My friend just had his charger installed at his house including a separate sub-panel for the charger and it cost $2500 with permits here in California. We will need nuclear power plants back online to sustain the electrical demand here, especially in 10 years when new gas cars will not be allowed to be sold here. The energy demand will surely be greater than any wind or solar option can provide.
@jamiepatterson1214 2 роки тому
That's $2500 added to the cost of the EV car. Then in 5-10 years you drop another 5-10(?) grand replacing battery packs. How many people can afford these high added expenses? And then there's the other unanswered question, what happens to the replaced battery packs? Present car batteries are already causing problems, which was reported on several years ago. Are we trading one so called problem with another problem? Seems before we jump into EV cars with both feet, answers need to be provided on replaced battery packs and more electricity demand.
@spicydragon3881 2 роки тому
@@jamiepatterson1214 In China and Germany they already have systems in place where you don't have to charge your car, you drive into battery centers (where charging points would be) and you can swap your entire battery for a new charged one in 10min.
@jamiepatterson1214 2 роки тому
@@spicydragon3881 Would the US be talking about that type system. Instead, the US is talking charging stations. Or terminals at the house. Still, once the batteries wear out, what happens to them?
@spicydragon3881 2 роки тому
@@jamiepatterson1214 They are testing these systems now for efficacy and reliability, as well as battery rental programs which (the plan is) would cost no more than equivalent gas prices (not that, thats so great) and you pay by the mile or month. I have no personal investment in any of these companies or systems, but we need to try to stay open minded to new technology.
@jamiepatterson1214 2 роки тому
@@spicydragon3881 Open minded true, as long as what eventually is used doesn't introduce another problem, or contribute to an already problem.
@markymark903 2 роки тому
Wait until enough people are on the electric teet and see how much it costs to charge your vehicle then.
@specialopsdave 2 роки тому
Electricity demand has always risen year over year, yet it only seems to be getting cheaper for me as time goes on. Economies of scale.
@jayfromaz 2 роки тому
@@specialopsdave not necessarily. The current grid can only handle so much. And states are going to make up for the Lost revenue. In some states all the money goes to roads and public transportation from the gas tax. I guess some states don't do it that way.
@stevecaron3390 2 роки тому
Illinois electric vehicle license plates recently went from $17.50 per year to wait for it, $251.00 per year.thank you Illinois. Another reason I emigrated to South Dakota. Car plates are about half. Insurance about half. Save almost $2000 a year on insurance. No state income tax. I had to stay in South Dakota 1 night to establish residency. A refugee from Illinois.
@markymark903 2 роки тому
@@stevecaron3390 I lived in Illinois in the 60's and 70's. Does anything good happen in that state anymore? Other than the Cubs winning the world series
@Stack151 2 роки тому
How is that different from the oil teet that we have currently. The middle east (OPEC) has significant control over us by controlling oil prices. I'd much rather not be paying money to any middle eastern country - period! (edit) OPEC drives the oil prices for the world and IMO we shouldn't buy any from them. Oil will never be replaced, but our dependence on it needs to be reduced.
@ricksanchez6411 8 місяців тому
You forgot to mention that your panel probably doesn’t have enough room for the required 60 amp breaker, upgrading a 200 amp panel is around $3k
@aslye 8 місяців тому
The majority of drivers who drive 50 miles or less per day can just charge on a normal outlet and be fine.
@gpwcowboy Рік тому
Always refreshing to listen to someone w very little knowledge lecture.
@adeand4310 3 роки тому
Great fuel saver if u stay home alot,i cross country drive alot never home so u do the math ill stick with old honda getting 45 mpg on the freeway and i dont lose all that time recharge
@TheVINMAN531 3 роки тому
YEP
@lynnguy2386 2 роки тому
Also whats the cost comparison between the 2 cars? He never mentioned replacing batteries and that cost.
@danilolimadossantos1 2 роки тому
@@lynnguy2386 he never replaced the batteries, and is not expected too in 10-15 years
@ssj2camaro21 2 роки тому
@Tom C you will then you ll have to give up the car
@ssj2camaro21 2 роки тому
@@danilolimadossantos1 "not expected" if you know anything about cars, it could happen in 2 months or 20 years but when it does, you ll have to give up the car because it will be massively expensive to do and also BAD for the environment
@seebanff7865 3 роки тому
You forgot an important cost... The difference in sticker price or cost of comparable gas Vs. electric vehicles. And also the huge replacement cost of batteries, both in dollars, and in environmental costs. Speaking of environment... how the energy produced going into your vehicle can have vastly different environmental costs. But it's all about choice. I hope you enjoy your vehicle for all the positive features it presents, but don't ignore the true full costs in making your choice.
@fitting7u 2 роки тому
Excellent point
@skepticalmechanic 2 роки тому
I think it’s probably a draw… and you can’t tow in an electric… and good luck in 2 feet of snow… my Subaru can go in anything!
@lancecarona2554 2 роки тому
Price has been coming down. Nissan Leaf is in the same price range as gasoline cars. GM has 7 new EVs that will be in the 20s. So we will see the normal price ranges. As far as Batteries I know Tesla and Chevy Bolt has an 8 year Warranty on the battery. So after 8 years get a new car.
@johngreener9784 2 роки тому
I have heard of third party battery dealers offering substantially lower cost batteries (for like Prius) so I have to wonder if the secondary battery market (when it comes online to the point it that it currently is for the big Auto Makers gasoline cars) will really help drive down the costs even further. Was looking at the Chevy Bolt (used). I really liked the Volt since my commute each day is around 34 miles so I could use the 53 miles the Volt offers (well, I know they quit making them, talking used) to get to work and gas for longer trips....
@timothyberlinski2299 2 роки тому
Batteries are rated to last a million miles and don't degrade much per year
@johnslugger Рік тому
After commuting 160,000 miles I had to Purchase a NEW battery for my Tesla. $22,000.00 plus labor. In the end it was equal to a gas car. $22,000.00 buys a lot of gas!!! It was a great illusion but they have a LONG way to go before electric cars are really competitive.
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