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"Volts of power and watts of energy" - I died a little on the inside

Did you guys realize the major flaw with this design yet? I know this is 4 years old. Your electrodes were WAYYYYY too far apart. Surface area is only one part of the equation. The other important factor you need to consider (in order to get the cell to draw more amps) is the distance between the anode and cathode. And a high voltage / low current solar panel isn't the answer. You want to get the plates SO close that it only takes a couple volts to split water and will pull MANY amps at that voltage. Those 100 watt solar panels would work but it you would need a buck converter which uses MPPT technology to lower the voltage and boost the current. Theoretically, at peak power and (to keep things simple, let's just say) a 100% efficient buck converter bringing your 22 V from that 100 watt panel down to 2 volts, you could make 1 liter of hydrogen in less than 3 minutes. So you could get your 15 liters in only 40 minutes from that 100 watt panel. In reality, with losses, say an hour or so.

"we tried almost nothing but it just wouldn't work "

I made one of these in my living room years ago, and produced a steady flame; with small plastic spacers and large steel washers. I used ac current but a variable dc amp multi plug selector. 12 dc amps in my mason jar produced enough steady hydrogen to burn.

They are completly wrong. You produce the most hydrogen and oxygen when the voltage is low and the amps are high, thats why it doesnt work

Wow, this is shockingly full of miss information. "22 Volts of power, 100 watts of energy." "The more voltage you run through, the faster that process happens." Nope... Nope... SMH

Those plates need to be much much closer together... Like a spacing of 2 to 3mm works best. And you need to add an electrolyte like sodium bicarbonate.

SMH Power is Watts not Voltage (voltage is potential difference), this is basic stuff here... They start with saying the process is done by running current(Amps) through the water but then they have 100 Watts 22 Volt solar panel which is just under 5 Amps of current compared to a car battery's 500 or more amps. Not to mention having a higher voltage actually gives you a lower current rating (ohms law) but hey lets F up the experiment in the name of clean energy. There is so much wrong with this I'm just scraping the surface.

I like the quick build idea and it looks cool. Just a quick safety note, although the typical logic when working with bases (KOH) is to add acid to neutralize it, it is much safer to just rinse with lots of cold water. Acid-base reactions generate a lot of heat, so the last thing you want when you are getting a base burn is to add more heat (that will burn you even worse).

it is so slow becaus the plates are to far appart you need rediculus amounts of current for that to run efficient there needs to be less water between the annode and cathode

WE NEED YOU TO REVISIT THIS!!! We want to see separate Hydrogen and Oxygen generator w/ useful compression storage

Modern german U-boats use this system: Sea water becomes Hydrogen for the Engines and the Oxygen is used for fresh air on board!

That bag is too thin, lots of gas slips out.

This project can be improved! The gap between the cathode and the anode creates a big resistance, I think that the poles need to be more close to each other.

9:19 lol you can see the anger in Adam the moment they say, we used clean energy to do it, and he realized they failed it on purpose.

Way to (once again) create an incredibly poorly designed/underpowered strawman to knock down. You guys make it look easy!

Gee Problem one, you poured in an electrolyte after filling with water and did not mix it. Problem two, the electrolysis current had too far to travel around the tube. It would have been better in a single tube with a partition in the middle. The King of Random unit worked perfectly because there was not an Olympic Swimming Pool distance between the Positive and the Negative

That bag is probably leaking hydrogen like a sieve. Hydrogen is the smallest atom in the world, and it leaks trough most things. So a thin plastic bag is not the way to collect it. Use some sort of solid tank and a bubbler. And the tubing is probably leaking a little to so use som copper pipes to leak as little as possible.

I have made one of these myself and I know they work. the trick is getting the correct current to provide enough output to run an engine otherwise it's just a novelty item.

Many things are off here. Most have been stated already. But a solar panel has an open voltage of 22 volts but as soon as you put a load on it, it drops to around 16 volts. Also hydrogen is an extremely small element. It will pass through a plastic bag. At the slow rate of production they likely lost at quickly as the produced.

Why do you guys keep debunking this? It's been proven to work. Are you purposely doing it wrong?

I see now, after finishing the video, why there are so many dislikes.

"22 volts of power, about 100 watts of energy" i physically cringed

Tested should make more videos like this! Cool sciencey builds/challenges. Even if the final product doesn't work so well it's still fun to watch

Now I remember why I stopped watching MythBusters. The episode that ended them... Hydrogen powered car. Now this.

"22 volts of power, 100 watts of energy" - *physicists cringe*

i'm going to go ahead and also board the complain train. Every time i see somebody do this for a large audience or on TV, they do it wrong seemingly on purpose. I have build a rig like this with TKOR's design and got way better results with a way shabbier rig than than the original.

For some reason when my professor did this in collage, he used two differant types of alloy. I believe one side was brass, the other was galvanized. If anyone reading this knows what alloy is negative, which is positive, and what type of alloy goes to each, posting it here will be helpful. Thanks to those out there with enough brain matter to do something usefull in life.

this produces, 22 V.(not 22 V of power), and 100 W of power. You run current through the water, not voltage.

Voltage refers to electrical "pressure" and is just a function of power. More volts ≠ more power. You want to look at amperage and calculate wattage to make a comparison.

I love this. Adam takes two engineering students(im assuming bc Ive been wanting to build this too) and has them build something in his garage as he does his own business.Except these gentlemen have built a devide that separates the hydrogen and oxygen, further building on the foundation TKOR made. Excellent work Mr. Savage.

Starts with how hard could this be I did it in high school, ends with screwing up something my high school teacher used to do when he was bored.

WROOOOONG! the trick is AMPERES not voltage, this video was made to fail on purpose, i hate this kind of "shows"

And it's the amps that create hho. not the voltage..

The large distance between the H and the O plate will severely limit the amount of gas you can produce in that rig. Ideally you want the + and - plates under like 10mm from each other. It's easy enough to separate the Oxygen out at the end because the H will always occupy the top 2/3 of whatever container you are collecting it in. Just have to be careful with H + O mixed together from this because it's in the perfect mix to explode :)

As soon as I saw the Toyota sponsorship at the beginning I knew that this video was set to fail. It appears as if the failure was intentional, possibly to discourage anyone on attempting this for themselves. Keeping everyone reliant on the petroleum industry.

Hmm you guys failed yet there are hundreds of videos of people making it work perfectly with just baking soda water and dc power. I am guessing you failed horribly because this video was sponserd by Toyota?

The only thing better than building science is watching someone ELSE building the science! Pro-crastinators unite!

i built one of these with a 5 gallon bucket, a 10" cast iron frying pan and a 10" table saw blade. i used a 40amp battery booster and it worked like gangbusters. i built it to clean the frying pan, but it created so many rust bubbles that were flammable as hell when the battery charger leads sparked i almost blew up the garage. so more amps, and just plain ole 12 volts.

Wow these two guys do NOT know what they're talking about hahahahaha! Who knew, voltages can flow through water!? hahahaha

It's weird they had so little success with this.. We had a science teacher build one of these in class once, and it was no where near as complicated of a build.. Plus he had a circuit to up the voltage, dono why these guys didn't do that, 22 volts is pathetic. And when our teacher turned his on, the water was practically boiling! He filled a whole balloon by the end of the class.. Then, tossing safety to the wind, he took us outside, tied a flammable string to the balloon, and lit it.. A few seconds later, every window in the surrounding block was shattered, and our ears were ringing.. Of course, he got in a ton of trouble for that, but it was the coolest science experiment I ever witnessed in school.. heh

I always have to chuckle when I watch these two guys build something. I see them pointing at sketches, using tools and sounding (trying) like they know what they're talking about but, for some reason I get the feeling Adam is always standing just off camera, having to step in frequently to keep them on track. LOL!

Hey Guys. Water does mot conduct electricity! It only conducts when there are other particulates "added" to it. The Hydrogen and oxigen are a result of the "electrolyte" gasification and not the splitting of water into its two imaginary components. The Potassium Hydroxide Caustic Potash flakes are what create the gasses and not the water!

The fact that they used TKORs design is amazing. RIP king

never, ever, ever use fucking glove on a press drill... one day you will broke your hand in 3 place, if you're lucky.

Is like, yeah let's do this electrolyzer completely wrong "again" just like in mithbuster and "again" say it doesn't work like it should.

Shame on you guys for being intellectually dishonest. Thanks for nothing Toyota and Tested!

Positive & negative electrodes should alternate as close to each other as possible, with partitions to channel the separate gasses. Disimiliar metals ( copper-zinc ) creates a better galvanic current. Platinum electrodes have the best catalytic reaction and hold up in the caustic environment. Most of the diy HHO producers use stainless because of oxidative film forming on electrode surface.

I'm really disappointed in the tested crew on this one...You need to play with your electrolyte concentration and boost the amperage...not the voltage...cmon guys.(Adam, I grew up watching you and Jamie, why in the world would you throw in the towel on this..its such a cool experiment.

Was I the only one watching the guy in the corner and being amazed by how little he moved during the time lapse scene?

Just a little correction that I didn''t see anyone mention is that the hydrogen/oxygen production in NOT dependent of the voltage but of the current! The lower the voltage more efficient it is, in theory you only need about 1,481 V to produce hydrogen, anything above that is just heat

KING OF RANDOM! Saw him upload that video before he blew up. I miss his old experiments...

To the people saying this thing isn't working like the garbage they threw together at home, or that this must be a deliberate failure, just because it isn't working like how you expect, here's why you've misunderstood this video. When you normally run an ideal hydrolysis cell, you get hydrogen at one pole, and oxygen on the other, in the exact molar ratio they occur in water, 2:1. When you collected gas in elementary or high school chemistry off one of these, normally you have the two electrodes or plates in a cup, beaker or bottle, and you collect the gas produced when you turn the thing on with a balloon or bag, like what they tried here. The main difference between your DIY cell or hobby kit is that the gas you've generated, unless you're very careful, is actually the hydrogen and the oxygen mixed together as they bubble and move through the water. People call this HHO or Brown's gas, and it's pretty cool, but by no means magical, and it can be incredibly unsafe. For one, the gas is just premixed hydrogen and oxygen, in the exact ratio to create an ideal combustion reaction. This mixture cannot be extinguished once ignited, but burns so fast it normally combusts as a large fireball or, if contained or pressurized, an explosion. This test rig here seems to be designed to generate the hydrogen and oxygen on opposite sides of the device, to prevent the mixture of the two gasses and the creation of an obvious safety hazard. While it sounds nice in theory, just generate hydrogen on one side, and oxygen on the other, and separate them to prevent mixing, it actually doesn't work that simply. In hydrolysis, the water is literally split. The two halves (H+-H+ and O-) are attracted to their respective oppositely charged electrode, which means they need to travel through the liquid water to get there. The further they have to travel, however, the harder it is to do this. Instead, it becomes much easier for the water to simply heat up, instead of split, and use up the electrical energy that way, much like how a heated kettle or blanket disperses heat. This doesn't generate much gas at all, and is the chief reason it's kind of hard to generate safe, pure hydrogen at home. The more power you pump in, the easier it is to split the water, sure, but the less efficient the device becomes, as it generates more and more waste heat. This generator was undone by the fact that they really wanted to get pure hydrogen and oxygen on opposite sides, and separated the plates extremely far apart, and forced the ions of Hydrogen and Oxygen to travel much too far. In fact, I'd bet most anything that if they dipped their hands in the water after their trial run, it would've been substantially warmer than they anticipated. There's a pretty interesting video on carsandwater's channel (the guy who does the red hot nickel ball stuff) where he disassembles his HHO generator, and shows the internals. He has a large amount of 'neutral' plates, hooked up to nothing, to conduct the electrical current through the water better, and to prevent the ions from having the massive travel resistances they might otherwise experience. He also adds Potassium Hydroxide, better known as Draino, to the water, to increase the water's electrical conductivity (since water is actually a passable electrical insulator without a dissolved ion content). I dunno if these guys are being paid off by gas companies or something, but the issues they had here, and the issues the Mythbusters had way back when are pretty much due to the fact that it's remarkable hard to electrically rip water into an explosive gas mixture safely, and a difficulty overcoming the challenges of both electrical and ionic conductivity in water. There's a lot of great info out there on this stuff, but a lot of misinformation and plain misunderstanding and paranoia as well. Stay safe friends!

its not about the volts, its about the watts, the current.

Lol! 8:20 Dude in the background with no worries taking a nap in the shade. "Electrolysis is exciting kids, better than watching paint dry."

I'm so glad everyone here understand how science works right?? not every time you try something will it work, but you learned form your experience which is science.

Tested is looking more and more like a Mythbuster episode and Mythbuster is looking more like Tested. Not that I'm complaining...

Higher voltage doesn't necessarily mean faster production, you have to take into account amperage.

If your separating the two "elements" , later mix them in the perfect effective and efficient way once seperated not by using a timer but a flywheel a large one to compress the gases with force and not ignite the mixture via timing of a spark but using pure compreaaion of the mixture of oxygen and hydrogen "boom"

Assuming you are supplying 5.29 amps (as the solar cell indicated as the optimal operating current), you would only produce a little over 2 liters an hour. Since amps and liters produced are directly proportional, you would need about 16.6 A to produce the 15 L in 2 hours.

Great video, well done! You could increase the efficiency dramatically by placing the electrodes closer to each other, because then the electrical resistance between them would be much less. That would result in a much higher current allowing more gas to be created at the electrodes.

Since Adam is the master of building stands and displays for things he was probably looking at that 'stand' going what the fuck is that lol

agh hydrolysis is completely different from electrolysis. Also voltage essentially dictates what reactions CAN happen. If you're using high voltages, you tend to wear out your electrodes very fast. Current affects how fast those reactions happen.

This cell is running on very low current and thats the main issue because the volts only matter to overcome the potential of whatever your seperating. you would still need then a few extra volts to beat the resistance of the electrolyte. Once the resistance of the cell is low enough and you have enough amps to run through the system you are good to go. HHO cells dont need to worry about stuff like current density too much, but other electrolytic cells may require it to prevent anode destruction.

Why is it that every time these people do something it is to disprove rather than prove something works? They took King of Random's Hydrogen cell and just screwed it up royally. The plates are way too far apart. Plus you can use two or more solar cells to produce more voltage. This was a big disappointment for me.

Grant Thompson - "The King of Random" had already done it and you guys just improvised on it, I appreciate the fact that you mentioned him cheers for chivalry.what would happen if you perforated the steel plates-Thanks

Scientists have successfully split water into hydrogen and oxygen using light and meticulously designed catalysts, and they did so at the maximum efficiency meaning there was almost no loss and undesired side reactions.Jun 3, 2020, Shinshu University. Published in the May 27th issue of Nature, Tsuyoshi Takata of Shinshu University et al. broke through new frontiers in power production by using aluminum-doped strontium titanate as a photocatalyst, whose properties have been extensively studied and therefore the best understood.

Adam, I made one when I was 15 that was 15 feet high and could fill a ballon full of hydrogen in 10 minutes. Lots of salt, 120v dc and I think 40 amps, with a few cups of salt.

I would guess that you'd get better results with a much smaller separation between the two electrodes. Because you're pushing electrons in one side (to H2), your ions have to take a long time (or be driven by a high voltage = more speed) to the other side to balance the charge. If you put the electrodes much closer, you could generate much more gas.

It's funny how you guys still insist on "Jamie & Adam Tested"

guy's this design has a major flaw...the bydrogas being collected is basically harmlesz unless the proper ratio 2 parts hydrogen 1 part oxygen. Because that's exactly what water is it's the perfect formula and that's why when you electrolyze water you can burn it immediately it only becomes water again when it comes incontact equal parts oxygen so you would have to re add oxygen from a outside source equivalent to one part oxygen to burn it safe tho

"22 volts of power ... 100 watts of energy" 😂

Jesus... Voltage x Amps = Watts. Watts is the only measure of energy you need to be concerned with provided the voltage is not to low or two high. A car battery might discharge at 12V but will do so at +100amps, that gives you 1200W. Your solar panel might be 22V (max) but only providing 5-8 amps leading to 110W-176W.

The problem with this machine was there was no direct pathway between the anode and cathode, making the resistance really high because the electricity has to pass all the was around the bottom curve to the other side. If they were built closer together and a bridge was built between them, the process might have been more efficient. That and like many others have said, low voltage + high current. 120v, 15a DC will run WAY less efficiently than 1.2v, 1500a DC (build a transformer/rectifier circuit.)

not sure what you messed up but this does work and sure as hell produces more than that...

Trying to disprove a functional experiment -> Trying to replicate the experiment not adhering to the original parameters and totally neglecting how the "improvements" can change the final result for the worse -> Experiment fails -> "It's lame because it does not work" SEEMS LEGIT

pro tip- use a T connector in the middle and a 3'rd tube to allow refuel without stopping the aparatus

I have seen a Holden Kingswood run on water without a fuel cell of any kind, he just increased the jets in the carburetor to twice there size to allow enough water to flow and made a high voltage coil to burn it in the motor, because if you place water under a vacuum and hit it with a ex-ray frequency releases hydrogen and is a scientific fact.

the electrodes are a light year away from each other

Norm and Will, don't use gloves with rotating tools. It is very dangerous.

adam wanted 15L, but he never stated at what pressure! XD

Add a hollow metal ball between carb and intake manifold ( works like a bong) atomizes and vaporizes gas doubles gas mileage

how NOT to do Hydrogen should be the title .....everything is wrong in this video

I can make more hydrogen in 15 mins then you guys make all day

I did this successfully in the late 70s they're overthinking it don't need that much surface area if you use Nickel Plate and you need 65 amps voltage don't matter. Do not separate the oxygen from the hydrogen. Do not try to store it use it as it's being produced. A aquarium pump and pump it straight into a intake manifold and use it as a additive.

It doesnt matter if you use 12V or 22V. Actually, 2V are enough. The current is the key, more current, more H. More than 2V generates hot as result of energy spending. They should conect the blades in a serial configuration sharing the 22V in 11 cells.

can you say corporate sponsored

Here the voltage is not considerable while making HYDROGEN/HHO AS THE AMPS INCREASES HYDROGEN PRODUCTION INCREASES.100W IS NOT NECESSARY ,BUT YOU CAN GET 15 LPM BY GIVING 30 AMPS IN LESS THAN 5 MINUTES, YOU HAVE WASTED A LOT OF TIME AND YOU GOT 15ML LOL.

I learned a lot in his video.I could never even dream that the fumes produced by water are far more dangerous than the fumes produced by potassium hydroxide. Thank you,i don't believe i could hear that anywhere else :)))

i think the problem with their setup is that they were collecting the hydrogen in a bag, and once it built up a fractional psi it caused resistance to the flow out of the hydrogen side of the rig. when that happened both gases just made their way out the unobstructed oxygen vent to atmospere.

Probably should have tried adding more KOH into the mix... The plates were very far apart, therefore contributing to a high cell impedance... More KOH = less resistance & more power able to transfer into electrolysis process (making a higher H2 yield)... Very nice design.

"22 volts of power and about 100 watts of energy" /fail physics

I'm not a scientist or an engineer, but I am a curious person so I actually tried something like this in my kitchen many years ago. I have to wonder if these guys intentionally messed this up because my rig was like 1/10th the size of this and I was able to produce a balloon full of hydrogen with no trouble. I had to experiment with my battery setup and tried a few different configurations. I think with the equipment these guys had, they should have been producing a lot of gas.

Wow , these people really are working with a high school level of understanding. These people obviously didn't do their homework either

So many misleading statements in this video...

Norm and Will are fun to watch, they try to get along but always fail. Well it seems that indeed opposites attract someway or another.

The King of Random's Grant Tommpson died recently. May he rest in peace.

just drop aluminum in NaOH water solution. should work as well with your KOH electrolyte.

King of Random did this at 5 liters per hour. Lmao