The Best Titanium Pot / Cup / Mug - 2 Traits They All Share

5 років тому

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Pots and mugs are simple things, but you should consider these two overlooked things. I also talk about some other parts of my cook system.
Here are the offerings from Toaks (better value) and Evernew.
Toaks 550 UL - amzn.to/2JCZDeY
Toaks 650 UL - amzn.to/2JC7Uje
Toaks 750 UL (This one has great width) - amzn.to/2JD3IzB
Evernew 570 (really like this pot, I wish Ruta Locura made a lid for this size) - amzn.to/2TsaAzG
Evernew 1.3L and more - amzn.to/2JC8nlu
The MLD 850 is no longer offered... What the?!
Pot Cozy - www.gossamergear.com/collecti...
Ruta Locura Lids - www.rutalocura.com/Carbon_Lids...
BRS-3000 - amzn.to/2U6DSrU
Soto Amicus - amzn.to/2USJMKr
Soto Amicus with Igniter - amzn.to/2urKqmw
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КОМЕНТАРІ: 86

@garrettmartin2130 5 років тому

The best pot is the one you leave at home.

@MattShafter 5 років тому

Some people bring alot of pot with them.

@coretmanus4688 2 роки тому

The pot should be significantly larger than the bowl in order to maintain sustainability.

@jessibertic5084 5 років тому

so informative... thank you for sharing your knowledge!

@MattShafter 5 років тому

You hafta share!

@tj6111 4 роки тому

Evernew is my SHEEEIT. Love that mugpot. love having that slight spout thing when pouring boiling water. I'd replace my lid, but I rly like the little handle on it...

@MattShafter 4 роки тому

Evernew makes great stuff!

@danielkutcher5704 4 роки тому

I look for pots with a flat bottom. Raised centers are good for trapping heat, but if you try to fry anything in your pot, you don't want the oil, butter, or grease flowing away from the center, which it tends to do even with a flat bottom. I have successfully fried eggs over medium with olive oil in an Evernew 1300ml titanium pot on a Supercat stove with a tealight candle tin in the middle of the stove. Not guaranteed, but it can be done. Being a type two diabetic, I eat eggs for the protein, since I must get more of my calories from protein and fat than carbohydrates.

@MattShafter 4 роки тому

Good point about the flat bottom!

@EspenFrafalne 2 роки тому

Lol! I bought 3 titanium pots in different sizes a few weeks ago, and was really disappointed when i saw that they ALL had raised centers, and realized how difficult it would be to stir in the bottom with a spatula... Now you bring up the oil issue too... Kinda wish i had returned them...

@stevegilette9606 5 років тому

Your attention to detail is absurd, and also appreciated. Great video. Btw with your voice you need to be doing books on tape. Thx.

@MattShafter 5 років тому

Uhoh, side gig! Thanks

@ChrisS5416 5 років тому

Thanks Matt. Your videos are short and information dense.

@MattShafter 5 років тому

Short and dense, just like me!

@MattShafter 5 років тому

@Heresan Name I need to do it. I'm going to ski a couple days and then get on it!

@KrizAkoni 5 років тому

I like the Toaks Light 550 - it's much lighter than the regular 550. I was surprised how much weight the lid saved. Great vid!

@MattShafter 5 років тому

Thanks Kriz!

@_georgeprince 4 роки тому

KrizAkoni How much weight did the lid save?

@dirtyteeth0 5 років тому

Toaks 750 is what I went with. REALLY looked into pots before I settled on that. 2 cup capacity. Pretty ergonomic handles. They stay in place. No rattle. Lid also has a tab that will sit flush or lock in the upright position to grab it easily when cooking. The handles can get hot (yes, I learned the hard way 🤦🏻‍♂️😂) and I’ve tossed around the idea of plasti dipping them but if you use your buff to pull it off the stove it’s a non issue

@MattShafter 5 років тому

750 is pretty good size!

@benkressdesign 5 років тому

My 750 Snow Peak rattles... The other snow peaks I have, the handles are tight and take light force to move. They don't flap on their own. I think what we are seeing here is manufacturing tolerances... Which will always be a gamble unfortunately. If your handles rattle, and you can remove them... Bend the ends of the handles ever so slightly... No more rattle. Also, thanks for another great video Mr Matt!

@MattShafter 5 років тому

Thanks Mr Kress!! I didn't think about a bend.

@benkressdesign 5 років тому

@@MattShafter No worries... It isn't perfect by any means, but it should work for some. Keep up the great work bro!

@ToddStull 5 років тому

Last year I bought the Windmaster stove from gossamer gear and love it. Little heavier than my BRS but worth it to me. I might try one of these lighter guage pots. I wonder if you go lighter then problems are created when trying to mold them. Thanks for the info

@MattShafter 5 років тому

Evernew especially but Toaks also are pretty reputable. If there were issues it would have crept up.

@danielkutcher5704 4 роки тому

I'm a fan of a wide pot, which transfers heat to the contents better than a narrow cup. A big pot full of stuff that has to go somewhere in your pack anyhow doesn't really take up any more space than a little cup that can't hold as much, whether in your pack or out, and is much more versatile and efficient on the stove than a tall, narrow cup (and it's easier to stirr contents without spilling them).

@woodchip2782 4 роки тому

Rattling handles? Use a hammer, anvil and center punch to slightly squash the handle housing just enough to create friction between the two loose parts.

@MattShafter 4 роки тому

Good idea!

@hanskirk-hiking9697 5 років тому

Nice video - I think Ewernew pots are great - made in Japan - big in Japan 🇯🇵😊

@danielkutcher5704 4 роки тому

Been loving my 1300ml pot for 10 years.

@crr5699 4 роки тому

Great video! However Ruta Locura’s site says their lids are discontinued.. Any alternatives you’d recommend? I was going to make my own out of aluminum from a pie crust pan, but would much rather something sturdier like the carbon fiber lid you have. Thanks!

@MattShafter 4 роки тому

I would look to coffee can tops! You'll look like a weirdo, but take your mug/pot to the store and see if any fit! It may or may not warp. Lol... or try a stretchy silicone lid top?

@naxiana 4 роки тому

MattShafter coffee tins or milo tins. I used to use a medium milo tin for an Optimus 550ml cook set.

@JustinMcKinneyhiker 5 років тому

Good discussion, the amazon site for the 570 pot doesn't seem to have dimensions ? Do you own the pot, if so, could you post dimensions , thanks .

@MattShafter 5 років тому

4.72in x 2.4in

@OliverHikes 5 років тому

I use a BRS stove but I don’t have a lid for my Toaks 650. Have you done any no-lid vs lid testing for boil times and fuel consumption?

@MattShafter 5 років тому

Other people have and found that boils happen 30 seconds faster with a lid

@LaconianConcepts 3 роки тому

Faster boils (given equal valve release) = less fuel consumption = less fuel carried. I noticed right away that I was using less fuel when using a lid because I was coming home from 4 days winter trips above 7k ft (where I boil more often than most for hot drinks and my beloved Nalgene sleeping bag warmer) with half full 220g canisters. I used to pretty much empty them prior to acquiring a toaks 750ml with a lid. Once I got a more efficient stove (MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe) I was able to get by with a 110g canister for the same type of trip and bonus it nests inside the toaks. Hard to pony up for a more expensive stove but it’s worth it. While the BRS is incredibly light, that is the trade you make at the expense of efficiency... YMMV

@DanRansom 5 років тому

Does the Ruta Locura #2 lid fit a Toaks 700? Opening looks like it is close to 4.5 inches in diameter, seems slightly too big for the ruta locura lid.

@MattShafter 5 років тому

Hrrrmmmmm confirm with Ruta Locura. Give him some time though, his dad just passed away. :(

@MrKevin3140 2 роки тому

How do you pick up your toaks without the handle and boiling water? this is a serious question

@MattShafter Рік тому

wait about ten seconds after stopping the burner and then grab the rim with your neck gaiter.

@EspenFrafalne 2 роки тому

Id actually want a thicker titanium, so i can cook food on it. Weight is not that much of an issue, as long as it is not overly heavy. If i were to go for a through hike, id go for one that i could do in my own pace, with the gear - and food - id want to bring. A couple of weeks ago i bought a 20kg/44pounds weighted vest (about 30% of my body weight), and im already starting to get used to this weight, so a couple days ago, i brought 5 additional kg of gear and water on a hike up a local mountain. This allows me to get some pretty good exercise from a relatively short hike, which is MUCH more practical than having to find the time and patience to hike much longer hikes, several times per week. I LOVE ultralight gear, but mostly because it allows me to bring some luxury items and "non ultralight" food, without making my backpack too heavy.

@MattShafter 2 роки тому

Sounds good!

@calvinminer4365 Рік тому

When you mentioned that lids are surprisingly heavy, you could've added that all mass-production companies skimp on the lid and make it of aluminum instead of titanium.

@flashmanv3260 5 років тому

For me, the #1 thing is it has to have a "flat bottom" Snow peak does, I know others do as well, but so many TI pots do not. It is so annoying if you cook in your put to try and scrap food out of that ridge on the bottom, major no go for me. I want a pot that is easy to clean, none of my pots at home have a ridge on the bottom,.it's a poor design for a cook pot :-) Most of the other differences are small to me.

@MattShafter 5 років тому

Oooo that's a good point.

@markcummings6856 5 років тому

Eat out of a bag...

@flashmanv3260 5 років тому

@@markcummings6856 Yep, that is why I said "for me" obviously for people who just boil water it's a non issue. I was just adding useful info that someone might not have though about.

@markcummings6856 5 років тому

flashman V Totally understand. I was just doing the same- adding useful information.

@K.M925 Рік тому

What about what type of titanium???

@ryaari 5 років тому

how much does the Soto Amicus w/o igniter weigh?

@MattShafter 5 років тому

2.6 nasty ounces

@michael133 2 роки тому

You mentioned wanting an evernew pot. Any interest in trading the MLD 850ml for a evernew 0.9L? It's a brand new pot

@MattShafter 2 роки тому

Thanks!!! I'm gonna keep that 850ml, it's a damn collectors item!

@michael133 2 роки тому

@@MattShafter I hear ya lol. Ile throw in a brand new Soto windmaster if you change your mind.

@olaf2554 2 роки тому

I've heard thinner walls tend to warp when you cook?

@MattShafter 2 роки тому

Hrmmmm that's a new one to me. Never seen anyone complain of that. Was it someone that put their mug directly onto a super hot wood fire?

@olaf2554 2 роки тому

@@MattShafter I think i heard it on one of the survival channels, i personally don't have experience with titanium cookware.

@Medickep 5 років тому

Who shares floss with the group to save weight?

@danielkutcher5704 4 роки тому

OY! not THESE days!😨

@andyveres3982 5 років тому

Yeah boy!!!!!!

@MattShafter 5 років тому

Andy!

@bertman4 4 роки тому

Did not know about the 0.4 vs 0.3 mm thickness. I wonder what my cheap Chinese made knock off 750 ml pot used? BTW, if you are in bear country, you do want to make noise. In Japan, many hikers carry a bear bell. Save that weight if you carry a mug with handles, LOL.

@MattShafter 3 роки тому

Good advice!

@Estonb08 5 років тому

Well done!

@MattShafter 5 років тому

Thanks Curlee

@bretthikez6567 5 років тому

850 mld ,damnnnn haven't seen one in a minute....

@MattShafter 5 років тому

It's a collector's item now. Damn that MLD.

@belekjenkins2308 5 років тому

Pot durability is only one aspect to look at when talking about pot wall thicknesses. A pot being able to hold its shape is only one aspect of what a pot needs to be able to do, its primary purpose is to cook food well. In traditional cooking in a home kitchen typically pots/pans with heavier bottoms are going to perform better than thin bottom pots/pans. If you are only boiling water for your meals how well your pot distributes heat and hot spots probably isnt much of a concern to you. As someone who likes to do some occasional real cooking out the back country with fresh ingredient, I am hesitant to trust a super thin walled Ti pot like you are suggesting here. Burning food can be a real problem depending on your stove/pot setup and what you like to cook. Just something to consider when buy a pot. For the record I use a MSR titan kettle on a zelph fancee feast alcohol stove.

@MattShafter 5 років тому

Oh yes, you're absolutely right. I only water boil like you mention. Good points.

@TimoteoDelCielo 5 років тому

I was just wrestling with my old snow peak... the pan lid doesnt fit great and it's uh flipping and uh flopping and uh rattling and driving me nuts. I was trying to rubberband it down and put it away but it kept falling apart. Lawd have mercy... I hate it.

@MattShafter 5 років тому

Pretty annoying! The lid doesn't fit?

@TimoteoDelCielo 5 років тому

@@MattShafter it fits, but it just rests on it, and its top heavy. One of those litesmith bands is a must to keep that chatter down. I use a toaks 700 now with a ridge-line that fits on a cone windscreen. I'll be getting a CF lid. You brought up important considerations I wish I had thought of in the past... and some good ideas for new design. Good content.

@pitts3219 2 роки тому

I want whatever you’re smoking!

@edaflyboy8482 4 роки тому

thanks for your review! any of these shaking handles can be fixed very easily. you gently remove them out (don´t forget which is L and R) and gently bend one end to one side and the other to the opposite side a little (not up & down) . when you put them back, they won´t move again so easily:-) i ´d suggest to cover them with rc model fuel silicone hose before you put them back ukposts.info/have/v-deo/o6qXpqONpaiTtZ8.html best of luck!

@MattShafter 4 роки тому

Ok, that's a really good tip.

@philmcracken6590 5 років тому

People out here cuttin handles off a 30$ mug to save a gram. Jesus, just do a pushup

@MattShafter 5 років тому

I know it seems like alot of unnecessary thought, but the only way to get to a low baseweight but still have the things you need is you make decisions like this for the 35 items in your pack. It's also not about just "doing a pushup." Ask any career infantry guy, or NFL lineman how their knees are. Also, imagine you already do push ups and you just want to go further and faster, bring less food, see more things and still make time. Agreed though, I am a bit psycho in the gear picking department.

@bretthikez6567 5 років тому

35 items huh?never thought to give them a count..thanks for the idea dude..

@MattShafter 5 років тому

@@bretthikez6567 uhhh 35's just a guess. Let me know what you get.

@bretthikez6567 5 років тому

@@MattShafter k

@jhonyermo 4 роки тому

He owns it and can modify it anyway he desires. No biggie. Mox Nix.