The Bronze Age Collapse (approximately 1200 B.C.E.)

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Just casually thinkin bout the end of the world. No, no reason, why?
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Eric H. Cline, "1177 B.C.: The Year Civilization Collapsed" | amzn.to/2ClWgpO
Robert Drews, "The End of the Bronze Age: Changes in Warfare and the Catastrophe ca. 1200 B.C." | amzn.to/2CkJ7NC
Paul Kriwaczek, "Babylon: Mesopotamia and the Birth of Civilization" | amzn.to/2Wra8G4
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@ThePointlessBox_
@ThePointlessBox_ 11 місяців тому
>''History is written by the victors'' >be sea peoples >arrive and cause the fall of the bronze age >dont write anything down >leave
@dan5974
@dan5974 9 місяців тому
Sea peoples: “there are no pictures in these written records!”
@Dos_Caffeine
@Dos_Caffeine Місяць тому
Early civilization mad lads smh
@ifyourmarriedyourasimpanda7440
@ifyourmarriedyourasimpanda7440 Місяць тому
History is written by literate people lol
@robertmiles1603
@robertmiles1603 9 днів тому
>refuse to elaborate
@bmar2513
@bmar2513 3 роки тому
I am now ending all messages with "May you know it." May you know it.
@Prasutas
@Prasutas 3 роки тому
i love you.
@fionafiona1146
@fionafiona1146 3 роки тому
Ceterum autem censeo Carthaginem esse delendam
@admontblanc
@admontblanc 3 роки тому
start all of them with: "Carthago delenda est"
@zakattack8624
@zakattack8624 3 роки тому
@@fionafiona1146 Let us all be Cato the Elder.
@paleposter
@paleposter 3 роки тому
I may know it
@Svorkar
@Svorkar 7 місяців тому
A lot of people have pointed out that it is unlikely that a composite bow could shoot through 3 inches of metal but I didn't see anyone dig into the sources so I'll comment on what I've found. I'm guessing that particular part of the video was sources from "The end of the Bronze Age : changes in warfare and the catastrophe ca. 1200 B.C." (mentioned in description, I found a copy on Internet archive) pg. 120-121. The exact passage reads as follows: "The pharaohs themselves took pride in their skill as chariot archers. Amenhotep II boasted of the rapidity, range, and accuracy of his shooting, claiming that from a speeding chariot he had hit four targets, set thirty-four feet apart with such force that the arrows went clean through each target's three inches of copper." This passage is apparently from a stele (Ancient Near Eastern Texts (ANET) pg. 244), and the thickness given in this translation is "of one palm in their thickness", which the annotation says is "a litde [little?] less than 3 inches". Regardless, it seems that this is a boast from a specific pharaoh, rather than some sort of historical fact or mixing up units, so probably not an accurate account of a bronze age era's composite bow's potential.
@samuelbudai4979
@samuelbudai4979 2 місяці тому
Interesting... Thank you!
@Laucron
@Laucron 2 місяці тому
The real MvP
@iMajoraGaming
@iMajoraGaming Місяць тому
Wallace MacLeod's Egyptian Bows in New York offers more information.
@iMajoraGaming
@iMajoraGaming Місяць тому
To elaborate, they found one of the bows buried with a prince, which makes it, to me, seem like a closed-case. I see little reason why they wouldn't be able to verify that, or why they didn't cast aspersions on its capabilities, given that they found it and it was verifiable that it was the exact bow Egyptian sources had spoken about. A modern bow, can penetrate sheet-metal steel, and it can do it easily. Composite bows were an absolute gamechanger. They were unrivaled. They were the dreadnought of bows. I don't find it a stretch that it could shoot through some copper ingots. It *certainly* could shoot through armour, and I don't think there were tin-men covered in 3 inches of armour, which is a naval vessel level of armour, during the Bronze Age. So I figure it really doesn't matter if it's a boast, they could do exactly what was needed, and with proficiency.
@Svorkar
@Svorkar Місяць тому
@@iMajoraGaming Thanks for the info (for anyone looking its McLeod, W. E. (1962). Egyptian Composite Bows in New York. American Journal of Archaeology, 66(1), 13. doi:10.2307/501476, I found it on sci-hub). The estimate they give is that it could penetrate a metal (brass) plate 0.002 to 0.003 m thick from a distance of 30-40 m.
@IndorilTheGreat
@IndorilTheGreat Рік тому
"Human civilization did an oopsie" is the perfect summary for a lot of human history, to be honest.
@Demonslayer20111
@Demonslayer20111 11 місяців тому
Well in this case their only real mistake was an over reliance on chariots in their military. Everything else, assuming this theory is correct, was outside their control.
@karlscher5170
@karlscher5170 9 місяців тому
IAmFourteenAndThisIsDeep
@pixpusha
@pixpusha 4 місяці тому
I wish we would stop doing them.
@iananderson3799
@iananderson3799 3 місяці тому
....and a perfect summary of the dumbing down of history teaching.
@rageraptor7127
@rageraptor7127 3 роки тому
“The sea peoples” sounds like such a vague and terrifying name for peoples that don’t even have much history to them.
@FwendlyMushwoom
@FwendlyMushwoom 3 роки тому
It's exactly the kind of name you would give to people we know nothing about who came suddenly from the sea
@a.a.1245
@a.a.1245 3 роки тому
They are also know as Sea Men
@thefilthycasual8863
@thefilthycasual8863 3 роки тому
If northern Europe was in such bad shape and they became sea people early scandinavian vikings perhaps? I mean the drive for resources were similar as the later scandinavians wanted to spread out due to resource issues. However this situation seems more serious.
@orions2908
@orions2908 3 роки тому
@@DudeWatIsThis you're making their case bruh they might not have been there from the very beginning, but 3000 years is a long ass time
@DudeWatIsThis
@DudeWatIsThis 3 роки тому
@@orions2908 Yes of course. The Jews themselves were not native to that land either (they had settled it a few hundred years before). In general, Canaan/the Eastern Levant has always been one of those "in-between-empires" areas which get trampled and stomped on every few centuries.
@medexmewada
@medexmewada 3 роки тому
When Bill Wurtz said about tin: "idk, my dealer won't tell me where he gets it..." I didn't know he was being serious.
@volcryndarkstar3283
@volcryndarkstar3283 3 роки тому
Everything he said in his history of the world video was in reference to some aspect if history, there were no throw-away lines.
@midshipman8654
@midshipman8654 3 роки тому
Volcryn Darkstar i could think of one or two that might be arguable. but it’s generally good.
@goldenfiberwheat238
@goldenfiberwheat238 3 роки тому
Volcryn Darkstar how about “this is stupid” and then black screens for 10 seconds
@matthewd7638
@matthewd7638 3 роки тому
Cornwall apparently I just found out tin was rare but honestly I thought it was common
@TheSilael
@TheSilael 3 роки тому
I read the title and said "now the Phoenicians can get down to business."
@elbmw
@elbmw Рік тому
Good factual presentation, well done. Just to explain something, the King of Ugarit referred to the King of Cyprus (Alashiya) as "Father" which means he was considered less than equal and the King of Ugarit had to prostrate himself in front of superior Kings, such as Cyprus and Egypt. In contrast, the Kings of Cyprus referred to the Kings of Egypt as 'brother', which meant they were equals and did not need to prostrate themselves nor pay tribute.
@xxmattopsxx3931
@xxmattopsxx3931 16 днів тому
So Kinda like calling a priest father/pater? Edit: Linguisticly not Culturally. Just genuinely curious.
@vorynrosethorn903
@vorynrosethorn903 16 днів тому
Ancient societies were patriarchal, and in that is the origin of their political and social systems. Clan and family systems were applied to the conception of what states were and how they should operate.
@elbmw
@elbmw 15 днів тому
​@@vorynrosethorn903 What you suggest is quite correct as well as the socio-economic system, local and foreign resources, language, farming (from the Neolithic onwards), the weather and the environment in general that played a huge part in the cultural development of a society. However, there's no getting away from the fact that kings (and queens) imposed themselves on a culture to varying degrees. There was of course the fear of invasion from outside as well as usurpation from within.
@nicak777alex9
@nicak777alex9 2 роки тому
Droughts, earthquakes, invasions, destruction of international trade, rebellions. Who thought it was a good idea to play on hard mode ?
@procionemannaro2030
@procionemannaro2030 3 роки тому
"we need to talk about bronze age warfare" * battle music starts *
@brunopereira6789
@brunopereira6789 3 роки тому
Age of Mythology battle theme immediately comes to mind
@jesseberg3271
@jesseberg3271 3 роки тому
I was listening to a Wendover Productions video the other day (he covers logistics and transport) and suddenly the music transitioned and I thought, "The battle of Munda?"
@hyperion3145
@hyperion3145 3 роки тому
"We have a drought, an earthquake and we still have to pay extra! What next? We get invaded?"- Some Bronze Age dude, probably
@skilllearning2256
@skilllearning2256 3 роки тому
I thought u were talking about 2020 Oh wait......
@johnjdevlin2610
@johnjdevlin2610 10 місяців тому
Clear and concise yet thorough examination of one of history's most troubling ages. Excellent narration and illustrations. Glad I discovered this channel. Well done!
@End-Result
@End-Result Рік тому
I've watched loads of history content on youtube, this has to be one of the best summaries of the topic - and of ancient history in general - I've ever seen.
@James_Wisniewski
@James_Wisniewski 3 роки тому
The Bronze Age civilizations can't collapse until someone asks if it's okay with Tribune Aquila.
@tsepzz4742
@tsepzz4742 3 роки тому
Lmao
@IrTehDrOddball
@IrTehDrOddball 3 роки тому
Hahahahaha
@lamegliogioventu
@lamegliogioventu 3 роки тому
ROFL
@danielmccully706
@danielmccully706 3 роки тому
The sea people waited 1200 years to ask the tribune to sack a bunch of cities.
@csours
@csours 3 роки тому
And for that reason, I'm out.
@MrEggsauce
@MrEggsauce 3 роки тому
"....what brought them here is a question we'll get into later" *slams fist on table* Bibilus is involved in this somehow! I know it!
@merrittanimation7721
@merrittanimation7721 3 роки тому
Not being born over 1000 years is no excuse! He must have found a way!
@andrewwalter7991
@andrewwalter7991 3 роки тому
He got permission from tribune Aquila to time travel
@randomcarbonaccumulation6478
@randomcarbonaccumulation6478 3 роки тому
Domitius Ahenobarbus has travelled back in time to eradicate Caesar's ancestors, thousands of years before he was born!
@warlordofbritannia
@warlordofbritannia 3 роки тому
Which leads to a causal loop/butterfly effect, where murdering Caesar’s ancestors only ensues Caesar is born and even more successful!
@Fangtorn
@Fangtorn 3 роки тому
History memes are best memes.
@mktwatcher
@mktwatcher Рік тому
Excellent comprehensive summary of the "Collapse of Bronze Age". You covered many more possible reasons other than just Sea Peoples even though they were probable the main reason. Your summary is the only one I've seen thus far that mentions the 5 decade flurry of earthquakes. Plus you did all of this with a very economical use of time. Thank you for your quality video.
@Shineplasma
@Shineplasma 2 роки тому
"not as clumsy or random as a regular bow." I love this line haha
@WhatIsThatThingDoing
@WhatIsThatThingDoing Рік тому
An elegant weapon for a more civilised age.
@shunyat9023
@shunyat9023 3 роки тому
"Help is on the way." "jk" This sums up a lot of alliances in the past.
@marcospatricio8283
@marcospatricio8283 3 роки тому
I mean, if they can't retaliate your backstabbing, why bother?
@drretard0343
@drretard0343 3 роки тому
Poland:Hey Hey I've seen this before. Its a classical one
@radekvitek1050
@radekvitek1050 3 роки тому
@@drretard0343 *Czechoslovakia
@HellmiresKitchen
@HellmiresKitchen 3 роки тому
sums up league soloq
@MrMarsh263
@MrMarsh263 3 роки тому
Even when they do send help Help has drowned in a river along the way
@sw4ahl
@sw4ahl 3 роки тому
I got Sea People Return in the December slot of my 2020 Apocalypse bingo card.
@Magplar
@Magplar 3 роки тому
Lmaooo
@plebisMaximus
@plebisMaximus 3 роки тому
I put all my eggs in the Jesus basket, so he better come first.
@gaiusjuliuscaesar2309
@gaiusjuliuscaesar2309 3 роки тому
@@MagplarImposter
@Comando96
@Comando96 3 роки тому
Funny I've got them pegged for October.
@justinokraski3796
@justinokraski3796 3 роки тому
I've got Third Impact scheduled for December and Sea People in October
@trevorrogers95
@trevorrogers95 Рік тому
Watching this in light of recent events doesn’t make me feel so warm and fuzzy inside.
@dp6003
@dp6003 Рік тому
You are correct , but we still have a little time
@rachel_Cochran
@rachel_Cochran 6 місяців тому
This is the most clear and extensive video I've seen on this subject matter. Keep up the awesome work
@andrasbeke3012
@andrasbeke3012 3 роки тому
Easily the most shocking part of this video is how much bigger the Bronze Age world was than I thought. I think the regular belief is that it centers mostly around the Near East and Eastern Mediterranean. But now you're telling me they were trading from Britain to Afghanistan? That is just mind blowing.
@madshagen5849
@madshagen5849 3 роки тому
Glass beads from Egypt have been found in Denmark (presumably paid for with amber)
@andrasbeke3012
@andrasbeke3012 3 роки тому
@Alex Gully I mean, we've found evidence of complex civilization dating back to 10,000 b.c. with Göbekli Tepe, so I shouldn't be as surprised as I was. I guess I always thought of the Bronze Age as a few hotspots of cilivization surrounded by untamed wilderness. Looks like that wasn't the case.
@BeastinlosersHD
@BeastinlosersHD 3 роки тому
@Alex Gully Sounds like the same thing that happened after the fall of the Roman empire. People started loving inside old stadiums fallout style because no one played sports anymore and places needed walls.
@MrAaaaazzzzz00009999
@MrAaaaazzzzz00009999 3 роки тому
@@andrasbeke3012 gobekli tepe is not evidence of complex civilization. its evidence that religion had a much more important role in developing civilization as these megaliths presumed to be places of congregations may have been the seeds of fully fledged settlements.
@hedgehog3180
@hedgehog3180 3 роки тому
It's an example of the limitations of history, history by definition is about the times and areas we have written sources from but people settled down and started building complex societies long before writing was invented or spread to them. This has for a lot of the history of history left us in the dark about what life in those areas and times was like but modern archeology is helping to uncover a lot of this and fill in our gaps, still it's not quite the same as written sources and it's just a lot easier to imagine what a place was like when we actually have the words written by those people. But yeah global trade is actually a lot older than you might think and areas outside of what we tend to think of as the "civilized world" were actually a lot more like that world than we imagine. For example a few thousand years after the Bronze Age you might think that beyond the borders of the Roman Empire were just endless forests with small villages and people walking around with helmets that had horns on them but actually it would be more or less impossible to tell these areas apart from the Roman Empire as they looked very similar. The differences between these areas was more like the difference between the the current superpowers like the US and China and their smaller allied states in Europe, Africa and Asia. But if your only source for learning about our world was Hollywood you might think that everywhere outside of the US was backwards and untamed and that's basically the situation we're in when trying to learn about the past.
@gauntlettcf5669
@gauntlettcf5669 3 роки тому
When you're Sardinian, and the last time your people were relevant in any meaningful way was when they were part of the sea people coalition which kinda caused a halt in the advancing of human civilizations
@basedkaiser5352
@basedkaiser5352 3 роки тому
They were based af
@blanetamez532
@blanetamez532 3 роки тому
What about that time Sardinia sailors sailed with Spain and Venice to stop the Ottomans invasion of the Mediterranean and basically ended the ottomans as a naval power?
@krankarvolund7771
@krankarvolund7771 3 роки тому
In the XIXth century, the major power in Italy was Sardinia, and it's them that pushed for Italy unification, so... not that irrelevant :p Well, of course it was actually Savoy, but still, it counts ^^
@jensjensen9035
@jensjensen9035 3 роки тому
Feels bad man
@dillank3240
@dillank3240 3 роки тому
Napoleon Bonaparte notwithstanding, I suppose that you are correct.
@user-qm2wl9ry9n
@user-qm2wl9ry9n 2 місяці тому
This was a very clear explanation of a hugely important historical event I did not know about , until I watched a very good and long video on the subject , about two years ago .
@QWEStudios
@QWEStudios 10 місяців тому
“Not as clumsy or random as a bow” I see what you did there.
@MaSiPro
@MaSiPro 3 роки тому
Me : *waiting for Augustus story* HC : ever heard about the bronze age? Me : well.. No but.. Go on
@evershumor1302
@evershumor1302 3 роки тому
Cicero is dead, there is nothing more to find there for HC.
@ivanmaracic4207
@ivanmaracic4207 3 роки тому
@iRue399 he allready named a playlist for octavian and it will be a pretty long one as well. dont worry friend
@dannybeads3672
@dannybeads3672 3 роки тому
Same lol I’ve been checking daily for the next video... I mean we are right about to see the history civilis video/videos about Octavius and Antony vs Brutus and Cassius, and then Octavius and Agrippa vs a Pompey son, and then (GOT himself- Gaius Octavius Thurinus) Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus and Agrippa vs Mark Antony and Cleopatra, and then Octavius become Augustus, the first citizen and all his great changes to Rome, and then somehow he outlives everyone he meant to give power to so he could sorta retire in peace, and he loved Livia too much to stop her evil scheme to kill the good people Augustus would have given power to, just so Livia could give power to friggin Tiberius... which set a terrible precedent and so she caused a few evil emperors... which also began the crazy awesome storyline of Roman rulers, some great and some horrible. If Augustus would have stopped her before she got started, then Augustus very well might have left a different system in place with good people and the senate with the power.. but Livia killed all the good people Augustus knew so all the power instead went to Tiberius like she planned and that’s how we got the history we have lol anyway I am so excited for these next few videos of Octavius - my doppelgänger.
@MisterTidster
@MisterTidster 3 роки тому
Your videos never disappoint... thank you for producing them! Mostly just kicking in a couple thoughts that always bugged me about the Bronze Age Collapse - I always get a little agitated that I rarely get a glimpse into what was going on in the Black Sea region during that time. There’s plenty of archeological evidence that there was plenty of interaction and trade between the Black Sea region and the major powers of the time and they had seafaring technology to be active traders. Given migrations from Northern Europe to the Black Sea region during Roman times, it seems perfectly plausible for people living in that area to have been displaced by Northern Europeans and/or migrating tribes from the steppes who might have had their own environmental pressures due to climate change. I’m not a historian, but I am extremely curious about what was going on there at the time and what issues they might have been facing that would affect their interactions with their more civilized neighbors.
@thanesgames9685
@thanesgames9685 3 роки тому
I really want to hear more about how, having destroyed their tyrant, they still failed to save their republic. No reason, why?
@garrettfuhrman2549
@garrettfuhrman2549 3 роки тому
9:24 “Not as clumsy or random as a regular bow” A more elegant weapon from a more civilized age then?
@Arashmickey
@Arashmickey 3 роки тому
Before the dark times... before the Sea Peoples.
@TheRambunctious
@TheRambunctious 3 роки тому
Hello there
@ericdickison7995
@ericdickison7995 3 роки тому
Garrett Fuhrman ah, you beat me to it!!
@duckheadgaming
@duckheadgaming 3 роки тому
@@Arashmickey Sea Peoples itself sounds scary af for me but that quote just made them even more terrifying.
@davidcunningham2074
@davidcunningham2074 2 місяці тому
the range of this channel is awesome.
@rickmcdonald1557
@rickmcdonald1557 Рік тому
I really enjoyed this History Lesson and The Narrator was one of the best I have ever heard~! I was glad to be a new subscriber and look forward to watching all the other lessons.
@TheSecondVersion
@TheSecondVersion 3 роки тому
13:37 - Egypt prevailed because Ramses could transform into a Titan
@robertjarman3703
@robertjarman3703 3 роки тому
Oh boy have you not been keeping up to date with the manga if you think that Rameses was the biggest thing here. Wait until you see in the manga actual giants 50 meters tall, millions of them, marching out of the ocean with a 500 meter tall Eren walking skeleton leading it, stomping out entire cities
@MrAaaaazzzzz00009999
@MrAaaaazzzzz00009999 3 роки тому
@@robertjarman3703 ok spoilers man
@ShinSuperSaiyajin
@ShinSuperSaiyajin 3 роки тому
Egypt is apparently Paradis then LOL
@merrittanimation7721
@merrittanimation7721 3 роки тому
Given other Bronze Age artwork throughout the region this seemed to be a common strategy.
@hazzmati
@hazzmati 3 роки тому
@@MrAaaaazzzzz00009999 out of all the places I hoped to avoid Aot spoilers lol
@thomaswalsh4552
@thomaswalsh4552 3 роки тому
“Cyprus in Cyprus” A history teacher AND a geography teacher
@albertoortiz3574
@albertoortiz3574 Рік тому
A great approach for a "non easy to resume" moment in man kind history history. Great job, thanks!!!!
@stevehurl298
@stevehurl298 Рік тому
I recommend Eric Cline's 2021 book "1177 B.C." It has some updated research & analysis of the time period in question, and lays out a number of possible factors that influenced the "collapse."
@billiondollardan
@billiondollardan 3 роки тому
300 year long drought? Wow. Can you imagine every generation knowing hunger over and over again? It must have been a very low point in human history
@PRubin-rh4sr
@PRubin-rh4sr 3 роки тому
yeah I imagined a Great Depression (I knew it was economic not agricultural) but for 300 years. Sounds like a bad time
@dr.sleaseball441
@dr.sleaseball441 3 роки тому
imagine africa
@Starkiller3481
@Starkiller3481 3 роки тому
Oof
@Riku-zv5dk
@Riku-zv5dk 3 роки тому
From what we know, what followed this collapse was one of the darkest periods in human history fro centuries, we're limited in what we know because across most of the old world written languages died out almost completely. Almost every major city outside Egypt was gone and every remnant of the old empires eventually collapsed over the centuries, never even being close in scale to the pre-collapse civilizations. Edit: Even China's Shang Dynasty saw apparent decline in this time and a few centuries later (1000BC) were eventually overthrown by the Zhou dynasty.
@daveslyker4431
@daveslyker4431 3 роки тому
Global warming man. Started 3000 years ago
@avalle4493
@avalle4493 3 роки тому
That final battle in the Nile was probably one of the most epic battles in history. An apocaliptic clash for survival of their world.
@drycleanernick7603
@drycleanernick7603 3 роки тому
Right... I want a good idea of who these invaders were too
@yousefshahin2654
@yousefshahin2654 3 роки тому
As an Egyptian, I am proud that we have such a glorious and great history
@avalle4493
@avalle4493 3 роки тому
@@yousefshahin2654 Be proud ! Egypt history is amazing.
@yousefshahin2654
@yousefshahin2654 3 роки тому
@@avalle4493 Thank you 😀😊
@yousefshahin2654
@yousefshahin2654 3 роки тому
@Seaworth Look, it's kind of yes nad no at the same time. Traditions and society are completely different. But we still kind of embrace them, and we are proud of our ancestors.
@zennor
@zennor 8 місяців тому
Thank you so much for making wonderful, easy to understand and entertaining videos. I have been watching lots of them and will continue to do so. Awesome.
@microchiroptera4520
@microchiroptera4520 Рік тому
Insane video, thanks
@saidtoshimaru1832
@saidtoshimaru1832 3 роки тому
"Human civilzation did an oopsie". Now, that's worthy of a thesis.
@Jaml321
@Jaml321 3 роки тому
The human civilization is the oopsie. The current state is a result of thousands of years of human stupidity and greed.
@katiaquirino6020
@katiaquirino6020 3 роки тому
@@Jaml321 Why have human societies made stupid decisions? Why has greed been such a strong factor? You seem to radically reduce something so complex and interesting as humanity's development, to such a boring, overly simple conclusion, without even asking some very impirtant questions. If humans were naturally stupid, our cavemen ancestors would've all died from poor decisions. If humans were naturally greedy, our early ancestors wouldn't have shared food or shelter during hard times with those who need it, losing future allies either through their death or worsening relations. They'd be ostracised from their tribes, and have no one to turn to when they were in trouble. Humanity is not the oopsie; nothing is absolutely bad or good, even if they do approach one end or the other; a wrench can be used to build or to sabotage, power by itself is neutral, and humanity is very powerful; the difference, is that a wrench has no mind of its own, but humanity can choose to do bad or good. Please, do yourself a favor, leave this misanthropic pessimism behind, and ask questions, with the end goal of how to make sure humanity can do more good than harm. Giving up on something is sure to bring defeat, whatever the goal may be, and humans are all we got, so give ourselves a shot.
@_BirdOfGoodOmen
@_BirdOfGoodOmen 3 роки тому
They didn't subscribe to Pewdiepie. Now look what happened
@Jaml321
@Jaml321 3 роки тому
@@katiaquirino6020 Humans kill each other and destroy nature and the planet from the moment they took it over to make a quick buck. Its like we are shitting the bed we are sleeping in. We are a scourge on the planet and there is no doubt it would be better off the moment we die out from whatever stupid war or other contraption we are going to create that speeds up our demise. Humans pose only problems for the earths ecosystem, they are the oopsie of evolution.
@watchingvideosalot3960
@watchingvideosalot3960 3 роки тому
@@Jaml321 @Jaml321 Ah yes, I sure am glad my corporate and stately overlords didn't sign an agreement designed to heal what damage we wrought on the planet. God forbid the stockholders lose their money. And don't get me started on the progress of ww3 so far! Look, humanity has its many faults, but the attempts at making the world a better place are not unfelt. Organizations like the Red Cross, Habitat for Humanity and the many USA organizations dedicated to preservation of nature would be impossible in the world you just described. And excuse my crassness, but people like you are a part of the collection of problems that plague us. You sound defeated by things you do not even understand. You sound as if you willfully remain ignorant in an attempt to appeal to blind pessimism. If humanity were to listen to people like you who condemn them to shame in spite of their great achievements, then we would lose all motivation to progress. We would be driven to such complete stagnation that we would seek to die in our own shit. You seem to want humanity to fall, to not do everything in its power to try and reverse the damage it sows. You are your own evil.
@537monster
@537monster 3 роки тому
It’s amazing to read these ancient letters and see a literal apocalypse be recorded, but still have no answer as to what the hell was causing it.
@mattjk5299
@mattjk5299 3 роки тому
It's possible that even at the time, many may have disagreed as to the "true" causes of their crisis. Famine? Droughts? Earthquakes? Sea people? Bad politicians? Punishment from the gods? It might be difficult to see even the cause, let alone solutions, especially through the haze of fear, despair and anger which would likely have been present in discourse. That's a lot of speculation though.
@TheNord06
@TheNord06 2 роки тому
Also because they were kinda similar to us, most people give too much of a credit to these nations. Famines were commonplace in anatolia back then, so a few crises at the same time can absolutely destroy hitites. Once the central authority gone, cities are easy picking for raiders of any kind.
@douglasparise3986
@douglasparise3986 2 роки тому
Sounds like today
@natestakely1478
@natestakely1478 2 роки тому
cmon guy, you know, your living it.
@White_Recluse
@White_Recluse 2 роки тому
To be fair information was very limited back then. The average person on the ground was obviously aware of bad things happening, but not exactly why.
@4bangerkovaaks
@4bangerkovaaks 11 місяців тому
I love this content! Really informative.
@philodox9991
@philodox9991 2 роки тому
9:37 No, an ancient composite bow cannot pierce 7.6cm of metal. I have my doubts that it could pierce through 7.6cm of wood. If the penetration of this style of bow was that immense, it would have rendered bronze and other armours obsolete and would have completely demolished shields. Despite this, dense formations of soldiers equipped with armour and shields persisted as the dominant military formation for centuries even after the regional advent of the composite bow. Those defending this claim on the basis that the metalworking of the time was poor fail to understand just how thick a 7.6cm plate of metal is, and very much underestimate the capability of ancient metalworkers. Ancient bronze is comparable to ironworking developments (the primary reason for the shift from bronze to iron was economic - iron is much more abundant but requires higher temperatures to manipulate), and so would be basically equivalent to iron in its inferiority to steel. With this in mind, would you also believe it reasonable that an arrow from an ancient composite bow could pierce a 7.6cm plate of iron? A bow capable of slicing through a 7.6cm iron or bronze plate would pierce through the steel armour of medieval knights without issue, as that armour was only a few millimetres thick. One must also consider that the metalworking technology of the time would also extend to arrowheads, and so the argument that poor metalworking allowed arrows from this bow design to slice through metal plates made through a contemporary method makes no sense, as that same metalworking would have to be responsible for the quality of the arrowheads. I am surprised that this blatantly false claim slipped past your video creation process. Other than that, this video is good. It would be nice to see even more content on the ancient world that isn't centred on Rome.
@frozenironforge5133
@frozenironforge5133 2 роки тому
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed. I had to switch my comments from top comments to new just to see if someone else noticed. As a blacksmith I was shocked to hear that statement. 3 inches of metal is very think. Be it steel, iron or bronze. No arrow can pierce that, ever. Unless that arrow is traveling WAY faster than a bronze age bow could lose. I believe Tod Cutler made a video showing and I believe accurately demonstrating what heat treated steel platemail could withstand Interms of stopping arrows. I only wounder what other things are wrong in this video. 3 inches of metal penetration is frankly bullshit.
@philodox9991
@philodox9991 2 роки тому
@@frozenironforge5133 It is unfortunate that one mistake can cast doubt on the rest of what someone is saying, but Historia Civilis is pretty good when it comes to matters of history. This mistake is probably due to a combination of a claim being read in passing from a less reliable secondary source, and a lack of specific familiarity with weapons, armour, and metalworking. I watched your video on forging a camp axe. It was pretty cool. Do you plan on uploading more of your work to UKposts?
@frozenironforge5133
@frozenironforge5133 2 роки тому
@@philodox9991 Okay good to know, still I can't help but take everything he says with a grain of salt. Hey thank you! I do yeah, just a matter of getting around to filming some videos, definitely something I need to do more of!
@aluminiumknight4038
@aluminiumknight4038 2 роки тому
The fact that you had to explain it is hilarious, who actually believes that a bronze age bow can kill a ww2 tank? Bruhhh
@ItsBrendo
@ItsBrendo Рік тому
@@aluminiumknight4038 How about 100,000 bronze age bows against a ww2 tank?
@DragonEmperorMycen
@DragonEmperorMycen 3 роки тому
"Oopsie." I guess that's one way to describe a collapse of civilization so complete that we had to rediscover stuff like writing and so on.
@hotkulen2196
@hotkulen2196 3 роки тому
Writing? Is that true?
@MBM1117727
@MBM1117727 3 роки тому
@@hotkulen2196 I don't know if it's completely true, but I think during the time after the bronze age collapse there is a lack of any written sources from all the places mentioned in this video except Egypt, which I think is how the theory of the bronze age collapse initially began
@twojacksandanace3847
@twojacksandanace3847 3 роки тому
@@hotkulen2196 During the bronze age collapse literacy went extinct in Greece and had to basically be reinvented over time.
@Daniel-dd1bn
@Daniel-dd1bn 3 роки тому
Haha that annoyed me too.
@insertcognomen
@insertcognomen 3 роки тому
it kinda makes sense. trade and abundant agriculture is what lets people specialize. If everyone isn't farming then they can take the time to write down history. Once civilization collapsed there is no one with free time to write things. Not saying writing went away...not that it didn't
@lecygnenoir4313
@lecygnenoir4313 3 роки тому
"They were runners." I need a Bronze Age zombie movie NOW DAMMIT.
@ezraclark7904
@ezraclark7904 3 роки тому
Taking bronze in the 30 year dash
@goldenrebel25
@goldenrebel25 2 роки тому
@Violet Mia shut up boy
@michaeljames6817
@michaeljames6817 9 місяців тому
I'm not saying it was aliens, but it was aliens.
@coucoubrandy1079
@coucoubrandy1079 2 роки тому
Really interesting and captivating. Thanks very much !
@eamartig
@eamartig 3 роки тому
Everything changed when the sea people attacked...
@joshmosh4190
@joshmosh4190 3 роки тому
Everything changed *then* the sea people attacked
@peternystrom921
@peternystrom921 3 роки тому
Damn you SeeMen...
@korkhik6297
@korkhik6297 3 роки тому
@V R thats not a woosh bruh
@AndrewJohnson-yp2zt
@AndrewJohnson-yp2zt 3 роки тому
@V R buddy he corrected the quote there's no woosh here
@Alusnovalotus
@Alusnovalotus 3 роки тому
Beat me to the punch
@justinh6651
@justinh6651 3 роки тому
It's sort of terrifying and amazing how we literally have our own "Lost civilization" mystery like you see in fantasy and sci fi games.
@DLimit
@DLimit 3 роки тому
We have many, Atlantis being another.
@dayangmarikit6860
@dayangmarikit6860 3 роки тому
Games are based on history.
@sebjornsprauten1406
@sebjornsprauten1406 3 роки тому
In a sense, all tropes come from history, not the other way around :)
@jorenvanderark3567
@jorenvanderark3567 3 роки тому
@@DLimit Actually no, Atlantis straight up never existed. It was little more than a blueprint for Plato to describe his Ideas.
@TVaz7777
@TVaz7777 2 роки тому
@@jorenvanderark3567 wrong. The city most likely existed and they even have a location for it. But people exaggerated a lot about the city based on Plato's book.
@tg1982
@tg1982 11 місяців тому
I had to rewatch this video, it is really an interesting topic.
@jeremyhorne5252
@jeremyhorne5252 Рік тому
This is the first comprehensive explanation I have seen for the Bronze Age collapse and its relation to the Sea peoples. Thanks for sharing!
@connarcomstock161
@connarcomstock161 3 роки тому
"...a composite bow, not as clumsy and random as a regular bow..." Ah, an elegant weapon from a more civilized age.
@PandemoniumMeltDown
@PandemoniumMeltDown 3 роки тому
Killing hasn't been as stylish and refined in Ages, wink
@terry7907
@terry7907 3 роки тому
The Jedi Sea Peoples
@minoreror9961
@minoreror9961 3 роки тому
Well, times have changed.
@s_for_short2400
@s_for_short2400 3 роки тому
Im really curious in what way was a composite bow an improovement over a normal bow during the bronze age?
@alibouk227
@alibouk227 3 роки тому
@@s_for_short2400 I believe the material was able to store more energy while being flexed back, making arrows being launched faster/stronger, it also was smaller and less cumbersome, but I haven't read about it in ages so I might be missing details.
@TheSecondVersion
@TheSecondVersion 3 роки тому
"Arrows could penetrate three INCHES of metal" What the hell were they using to shoot them, RAIL GUNS??
@ThatCamel104
@ThatCamel104 3 роки тому
Well, aliens *did* build the Pyramids, after all. :^)
@Mitaka.Kotsuka
@Mitaka.Kotsuka 3 роки тому
is not steel... not even Iron, is bronze.... and of course not the quality we made bronze nowadays... by today standars was pretty rubbish
@Doctor_Mantis
@Doctor_Mantis 3 роки тому
Yeah the majority of claims about arrows effectiveness on armor are greatly exaggerated by modern historians. I'm pretty sure they're just using linear equations starting with a very thing material control to accomplish this. Either way these metrics are demonstrably wrong.
@calebr908
@calebr908 3 роки тому
@@Doctor_Mantis what kind of armour would people need to have 76.2mm thick of armour lol.. they are a tank obviously.
@theashenfox
@theashenfox 3 роки тому
I reckon this was supposed to be 3 millimeters or MAYBE 3 eighths of an inch, but even that would be quite a stretch. There is no fecking way, an arrow went through 3 inches of solid metal at room temperature. not even lead.
@NickZoran
@NickZoran Рік тому
Loved your video. Thanks!
@timtravasos2742
@timtravasos2742 Рік тому
Great analysis and explanation.
@Phoenix_254
@Phoenix_254 3 роки тому
"A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one."
@solarsl7942
@solarsl7942 3 роки тому
Not as clumsy or random as a blaster...
@xii-e-04-chengmichaelgaret72
@xii-e-04-chengmichaelgaret72 3 роки тому
"this does put a smile on my face"
@TheAustronaut03
@TheAustronaut03 3 роки тому
I see Rainbow H, I click.
@Eamonshort1
@Eamonshort1 3 роки тому
Goddamn Civ. You do all those vids on my favourite period in histiry that I know the most about and then to mix up the content then you do the period I know the most about relative to average person. Like i know more about the late republuc but its also so famous every average person knows a little about it but with the Late Bronze Age Collapse they cant name like 3 of the main powers from the end of the month .not a knock against them at all im saying it's a societal thing. I mean when i started grtting into it, 3 of the first 4 books i was recomended to read each had an explict separate section purely for promoting the argument that this was more significant historically than the fall of Rome and likely had more of an impacton modern socitu. Also he's always arguing that this event should simply be called "the dark age" and post Rome should be called "The Roman/Western European dark age" like he's real fucking invested in it. Anyway point is thanks for some reason deciding to pick you video topics based purely on what will make one random Sub in Australia Happiest I should have done it a while ago but you legit have a new patreon when i get next paid
@judebreheny3925
@judebreheny3925 3 роки тому
Eamon isn’t the average person, he’s a step above.
@marsoz_
@marsoz_ 3 роки тому
1200BCE: Sea people make me anxious 2020CE: Seeing people makes me anxious
@chezkelhui1010
@chezkelhui1010 3 роки тому
Severely underrated
@-Zevin-
@-Zevin- 3 роки тому
2050CE: Rising sea making people anxious
@SIStefanov
@SIStefanov 3 роки тому
Lampedusa, Italy 2020 See people still make me anxious
@lc9245
@lc9245 3 роки тому
I wonder if we were to collapse from this not quite pandemic, combine with instability of the financial system and tension between major economies, would historian call our period the Plastic Age collapse? The Chinese Collapse? The Epidemic Collapse? The 2nd Pax Americana Collapse? The Western Civilisation Collapse? I wouldn't imagine if I were a Hittite or Mycenaean, I would have thought of the destruction of my world to be called "Bronze Age".
@SIStefanov
@SIStefanov 3 роки тому
@@lc9245 nervous laughter intensifies
@SinjoroMoseo
@SinjoroMoseo День тому
This video made me watch the entirety of your chronological order playlist, and now I wish there were more of your videos, now I'm looking forward for any future video you will make whatever the topic it will be
@mysticproduce705
@mysticproduce705 Рік тому
Good job. Thanks 🙏
@dominickdibart12
@dominickdibart12 3 роки тому
I know I just watched a video explaining that the "sea people" likely came from areas in Italy and around the Mediterranean... But I can't get the image out of my head of Rameses defeating an unstoppable horde of Lovecraftian fish people in hand to hand combat for the glory of Egypt
@origami83
@origami83 3 роки тому
I would love a movie of Rameses defeating a lovecraftian army of fish people!
@cageybee7221
@cageybee7221 3 роки тому
i would watch the shit out of that movie
@dominickdibart12
@dominickdibart12 3 роки тому
@@origami83 be better than 300 that's 4 sure
@origami83
@origami83 3 роки тому
@@dominickdibart12 It totally would be! i mean, ancient egpyt and fish people! How could anything top that? :D
@discordthingy6796
@discordthingy6796 2 роки тому
sort of like doom, but at the bottom of the ocean
@smilodnfatalis55
@smilodnfatalis55 3 роки тому
11:55 "Sire! The enemy can destroy our chariots! We're done for!" "How!? Do they have their own chariots? Elephants? The gods themselves on their side???" "No sire. They know how to R U N." "....Dear gods, we are doomed"
@hyperion3145
@hyperion3145 3 роки тому
Back when running wasn't invented
@DonMeaker
@DonMeaker 3 роки тому
The Zulus, with shields and assegai defeated the British at Isandlwana (with Martini Henry rifles 7 pounder field guns, and bayonets) with their ability to run (to the flanks and rear of the British).
@pavel9652
@pavel9652 2 роки тому
Usually it is mobility versus fire power in the military. Spearmen and chariots are different class of unit, but I believe when armoured, trained spearmen in decent formation could beat the chariots.
@gavind351
@gavind351 2 роки тому
@@pavel9652 I mean, you don't hear much about chariots going against a phalanx. So it's safe to say that.
@ryhol5417
@ryhol5417 Рік тому
Such a great video!
@brixcosmo6849
@brixcosmo6849 11 місяців тому
Great InfoVideo! Best Regards from Portugal! ❤🇵🇹
@larrybrennan1463
@larrybrennan1463 3 роки тому
Just as a note: The Cyprus was so closely identified with copper that the metal derived its name from it. The Latin for copper is cuprum, shortened from an older word cyprium, meaning of Cyprus.
@omegacardboard5834
@omegacardboard5834 2 роки тому
Yes, I believe also that the y to Greeks and Romans was more like an u sound at the time
@pintorpi333
@pintorpi333 2 роки тому
@@omegacardboard5834; Don't know about Greek, but Latin (Roman) 'V' was the original 'U' before the 'U' letter was introduced in the 16th century. A dead giveaway is that the letter 'W', to this day, is still pronounced "double-u", and not "double-v".
@omegacardboard5834
@omegacardboard5834 2 роки тому
@@pintorpi333 yes that it correct. But the Romans also adopted the Greek y for Greek names/ words they borrowed from Greek. It’s not quite the same V/u sound in Latin, it’s like a u but with tighter lips and you sort of lift them up a bit and it’s a bit more aspirated I believe
@aaronleverton4221
@aaronleverton4221 Рік тому
@@pintorpi333 Depends on language. In French it's "doobla-veh". Double V. I think the more obvious pointer would be that in Greek Cyprus is Kypros. A hard K sound and not a soft S sound. Although some prominent etymologists say that's just some popular, lazy bs.
@QuiteWellAdjusted
@QuiteWellAdjusted Рік тому
@@aaronleverton4221 well you can always look it up. There is no letter C in greek. There is kappa K and there is sigma S Cyprus is spelled Κύπρος and is pronounced Kupros or Kipros.
@u.s.navy_pete4111
@u.s.navy_pete4111 2 роки тому
A severe drought in the Mediterranean may also explain why Egypt was less affected and survived the Bronze Age Collapse as the only major power in the region. Egypt's agriculture is totally dependent on the yearly flooding of the Nile which is caused by heavy rainfalls in distant Ethiopia and therefore unaffected by changes in local climate systems.
@BenState
@BenState Рік тому
climate is not local
@fenrirrising131
@fenrirrising131 Рік тому
@@BenState "its raining outside my house so it must be raining in tehran and beijing too" U wot m8?
@DR-54
@DR-54 Рік тому
@@BenState typically when one area is extremely hot and dry, another area is extremely wet and temperate. We see this especially with just our yearly climate patterns, like with the el niño/la niña events. Most especially significant, is that most the world is unaffected.
@dwightehowell8179
@dwightehowell8179 Рік тому
@@BenState This planet is divided up into many climatic zones. You have heard of Artic, tundra, boral, temperate and tropical, right?
@mrbaab5932
@mrbaab5932 Рік тому
He is correct. Nile water comes from Ethiopia and the Rift Valley of Africa, thousands of miles from Mediterranean sea.
@cycy2425
@cycy2425 Рік тому
Fabulous presentation! Good pace, good narrator, good visuals andinformative. Rate it 5,☆!
@JamesTobiasStewart
@JamesTobiasStewart 2 роки тому
This is fascinating stuff to see.
@112048112048
@112048112048 3 роки тому
Greece. Hittites. Egypt. Cyprus. Long ago, the four empires lived together in harmony. Then, everything changed when the Sea Peoples attacked.
@12coudak000
@12coudak000 3 роки тому
Hardly in harmony.
@s.b6615
@s.b6615 3 роки тому
@@12coudak000 I don't think you got the reference pal
@simonrobillard
@simonrobillard 3 роки тому
Only tin, the metal essential to all of our crafts, could stop them. But when the world needed it most, it vanished. A generation has passed and my brother and I have discovered the new Pharao, a bronzebender named Ramesses. And altough his chariots are great, he has a lot to learn before he's ready to defeat anyone. But I believe Ramesses can save the world... Pharao, the last bronzebender
@simonrobillard
@simonrobillard 3 роки тому
@Lovecraft Nope... It's from the only western animation cartoon that is worth watching: Avatar, the last airbender
@breaden4381
@breaden4381 3 роки тому
Lovecraft Is spongebob anime then?
@samiamrg7
@samiamrg7 3 роки тому
With regard to environmental changes, that could again explain why Egypt survived. Agricultrue in Egypt is driven by the waters of the Nile, and the Nile is fed by far-flung lakes and tributaries in regions that may not have been as effected by an environmental change. Thus, Egypt could maintain enough agricultural output to survive even as it’s neighbors dried up.
@billheineman472
@billheineman472 2 роки тому
yep, exactly Egypt Everything that led to the bronze age demise can be tied to there being a Grand Solar Minimum ... as well as a concurent 2000+/- conjunction of the gas giant planets. The climate changes and seismic up-ticks were relentless the "sea people" were. forced to migrate due to major drought that began in western Europe first ~ desperate people exasperated desperate events
@Warmaker01
@Warmaker01 2 роки тому
Egypt suffered heavy droughts also during this period. The drought was believed to have been caused by the "Hekla 3 volcanic eruption" causing a "volcanic winter" in Ramesses III's reign. The disruption of sunlight was so bad that worldwide tree growth was stymied for 20 years. On top of all this, Ramesses III had to deal with lots of wars. Constant war; Dealing with the Sea Peoples. Draining of the treasury. Drought -> Famine -> Instability It left Egypt terribly weakened and divided. From what I understand, of the various Bronze Age major powers, 2 survived: Egypt and Assyria. The Assyrians had it real bad and they basically withdrew into only their home territory. However, Assyria recovered and carved a powerful empire in the wake of the Bronze Age collapse while Egypt never really did. It got to the point that the Assyrian Empire subjugated Egypt.
@vitriolicAmaranth
@vitriolicAmaranth 2 роки тому
@@billheineman472 There are a lot of things I could correct here but I'll settle for saying you mean "exacerbated." "Exasperated" would only make sense the other way around (desperate events exasperated desperate people).
@Iannnus
@Iannnus Рік тому
The aftermath of a volcano that blocks the sun is terifing such as in 536, or that time in 70k bc that humans almost went extinct due to one.
@failtolawl
@failtolawl Рік тому
@@Warmaker01 of the various Bronze Age major powers in western asia* fixed that for you
@handroids1981
@handroids1981 Рік тому
Amazing. Subbed.
@Actinuon
@Actinuon 2 роки тому
Some of the fires could even be caused by city fires out of control. I have to imagine the damage from something like that would make everyone give up and walk away.
@usersays8599
@usersays8599 3 роки тому
History Channel in the 90s and 2000s: The Collapse of the Bronze Age and their ancient civilizations remains one of human civilizations' greatest mysteries History Channel today: "Aliens"
@dontchastop
@dontchastop 3 роки тому
Ancient astronaut theorists say, yes.
@Alexanderrayman
@Alexanderrayman 3 роки тому
Aliens ate my homework.
@KrolKaz
@KrolKaz 3 роки тому
the aliens invaded northern Europe causing the mass migration and the heat was because the aliens needed a warmer Temperature to survive but then they ehree finally beat back but then time traveling scientists from the year 3031ish used thier time traveling machine to go back and clean up any trace of alien life.
@kevinshort3943
@kevinshort3943 3 роки тому
What you meant to say was " I'm not saying it was aliens, but........". :)
@PierroCh5
@PierroCh5 3 роки тому
I'm an Alien and I agree, we really outdid ourselves on this one 💫👽
@meteormedia7021
@meteormedia7021 3 роки тому
"On the whole, the picture is fuzzy, but its fair to say that there was chaos in Greece." When has there ever not been chaos in Greece?
@chestersnapdragonmcphistic579
@chestersnapdragonmcphistic579 3 роки тому
When they weren't Greek but Roman
@adamcoyne1315
@adamcoyne1315 3 роки тому
@@chestersnapdragonmcphistic579 even them there was many minor rebellions
@Sleepless4Life
@Sleepless4Life 3 роки тому
They invented chaos.
@jabloko992
@jabloko992 3 роки тому
@@adamcoyne1315 as everywhere else
@coolthefool1
@coolthefool1 3 роки тому
Blame philosophers
@DomaScholes
@DomaScholes Рік тому
What a great video, the bronze age collapse and the sea peoples were always a bit of a mystery for me.. Egyptian here :)
@lackss7120
@lackss7120 Рік тому
You have now entered the classical era
@rotciv1492
@rotciv1492 3 роки тому
How was the Bronze Age warfare: -Chariots. -Chariots. -Chariots. -People protecting chariots. Accurate as hell.
@Brahmdagh
@Brahmdagh 3 роки тому
Even vedic traditions are always talking about chariots.
@DrRevane
@DrRevane 3 роки тому
"Chariots Chariots! Cave here...Prime. Look in this next test I need you to go to Cyprus in the bronze age for a chariot...For Science!"
@JR-White
@JR-White 3 роки тому
8:35
@lordulberthellblaze6509
@lordulberthellblaze6509 3 роки тому
Even the Art of War by sun tzu mentions chariots
@Arashmickey
@Arashmickey 3 роки тому
And composite bows. Not as clumsy or random as a regular bow, but an elegant weapon for a more civilized age... before the dark times, before the Sea Peoples.
@qnteban
@qnteban 3 роки тому
me: alright Ceasar is dead, now we're moving on to the Roman Empire. HC: this is my time machine
@rodneylagrone7180
@rodneylagrone7180 3 роки тому
I think he likes variety. It took him several years to complete the Ceaser playlist. He might get burned out if those are the only videos he worked on.
@qnteban
@qnteban 3 роки тому
@@rodneylagrone7180 I mean I'm not complaining. All his videos are great
@rodneylagrone7180
@rodneylagrone7180 3 роки тому
@@qnteban True. I was avoiding the "Can animals commit crimes", video. But after I went through all of his other videos I finally watched it and throughly enjoyed it aswell.
@Macbrother
@Macbrother 3 роки тому
@@rodneylagrone7180 me too. The dude is tip top.
@a.h.s.3006
@a.h.s.3006 3 роки тому
@@rodneylagrone7180 He had also been working on Macedon, Philip and Alexander series, I thought that now all the players he talked about in Ceasar are dead (Cicero, Kato, Ceasar), that his next video would be about Alexander. My best guess is that he is taking a time out from serial videos and making one offs until he finishes a better script for Alexander or Augustus. I think he is even thinking about moving a bit into the English Civil war. But I can see his style, he loves to build up the culture and system of the civilizations before moving on to the main series, if my hopes aren't too high, he could be preparing a post bronze age collapse series in the next two years or so.
@NorthernXY
@NorthernXY Рік тому
I always thought, for the last decade or so, that the Sea Peoples were mercenaries hired by Greeks to attack Troy. Once they sacked the city the mercs wanted to go after another. I thought this explained why so many Sea Peoples were from all over the Mediterranean. Once they sacked Cyprus, which had the purest copper, trade died.
@hugh081
@hugh081 Місяць тому
Ironically, the only time the Dreadnought sank an enemy ship, it rammed it
@networknomad5600
@networknomad5600 2 роки тому
It's wild to think that the amount of human history we know is a drop in the bucket compared to the entirety of the unknown, lost history of human civilization.
@masseg6713
@masseg6713 Рік тому
And the history we have is still mostly written as "great man" history instead of looking at systemic and socioeconomic dynamics. I feel like we are in a very exciting age of scholarly debate over how we view our history and I hope especially now with climate change and the coming collapse of old power dynamics we also focus and learn more about our own history with the environment and how it affected civilizations in the past.
@RandomVidsforthought
@RandomVidsforthought Рік тому
@Akhand Bharat The bronze age collapse didn't affect human civilizations apparently to this ultranationalist
@RandomVidsforthought
@RandomVidsforthought Рік тому
@Akhand Bharat You misunderstood his comment which meant a part of history was lost in these places Zindabad
@jonbongjovi1869
@jonbongjovi1869 Рік тому
I disagree. we know EVERYTHING humans have done thruout history, because the HUman Being is a very consistent ROBOT. Violence? CHECK! War? CHECK! RACISM or Corruption? CHECK! plus environmental crises? CHECK!
@philipsalama8083
@philipsalama8083 Рік тому
It reminds me of Xenephon's Anabasis, where the Ten Thousand Greeks find ancient ruined Mesopotamian cities that were older to them than Xenephon is to modern people.
@angelomerte7006
@angelomerte7006 2 роки тому
There's an important bit left unsaid: Rulers of the time relied on the favor of the gods. Famine, no rain, earthquakes, even sending an enemy are typical actions of an angry god. People turn against rulers that apparently make the gods angry and thus have lost legitimacy.
@goranpersson7726
@goranpersson7726 2 роки тому
ye kinda feel like that aspect of it all would have been quite an important factor tbh, what I found funny though was him showin western and central europe as " northern europe"
@kingt0295
@kingt0295 2 роки тому
@@goranpersson7726 well it’s northern in relation to the greeks and the other civilisations that were destroyed lol
@Koupip
@Koupip Рік тому
well to be fair their countries got hit by famin, no rain, instability and invasion and the earth itself going "nah bruh" and shaking their building until they colapsed all at once, maybe they really did anger the gods lmao
@dreamer2260
@dreamer2260 Рік тому
Yes. Like the Mandate of Heaven in China.
@arzhvr9259
@arzhvr9259 Рік тому
That sort of Mandate of Heaven philosophy is not native to the near east or Europe.
@angelicaalmeida604
@angelicaalmeida604 Рік тому
Great video!!
@mysteriousDSF
@mysteriousDSF Рік тому
Thank you for explaining! I never understood the "...far lands of tin land. I don't know, my dealer won't tell me where he gets it" part from Bill Wurtz but now I do.
@Taskandpurpose
@Taskandpurpose 3 роки тому
I could watch history civilis all day every day and not get enough. this is the most addictive content love it.
@christiannorris3992
@christiannorris3992 3 роки тому
Hey man! As a fellow vet I love your content
@Maazitung
@Maazitung 3 роки тому
I personally prefer Invicta slightly over this channel but this is solid as well :)
@Alexanderrayman
@Alexanderrayman 3 роки тому
That's more or less what I did when stumbled upon the channel 18 months ago. 😅
@sambarrett871
@sambarrett871 3 роки тому
Have you heard of the younger dryus??
@injectilio
@injectilio 3 роки тому
@@Maazitung Luckily there is room enough to LOVE both and yet still not have enough content.
@Melker63
@Melker63 2 роки тому
I just watched a 2+ hour documentary on this subject, but I think this 20+ minute clip explains it better and more to the point. The lengthy documentary was obsessed with "who dun it?", while this clip was more focused on system-level causes. Good job!
@mageovoid9145
@mageovoid9145 2 роки тому
was it a BBC documentary?
@aaronleverton4221
@aaronleverton4221 Рік тому
@@mageovoid9145 It was likely the channel History Time and the reason for focusing on whodunit is that we don't actually know and therefore exploring the possibilities of who, exactly, the Sea Peoples were and where they came from is useful for expanding our knowledge of history. That would be "knowing our own story".
@ahwabanmukherjee5065
@ahwabanmukherjee5065 Рік тому
But I'm still very interested in the whodunnit because that would shed a lot of light on the expanse, nature and scale, and thereby, a verification of the environmental and socio-political disasters. Are there any genetic evidences of the sea people?
@hollylucianta6711
@hollylucianta6711 Рік тому
@@ahwabanmukherjee5065 There's a little bit. Testing shows that in the very early Iron Age there was a large but brief influx of European blood in the heritage of the people of Ashkelon, which belonged to Egypt at the time. This would suggest a migration event in between the Bronze Age and Iron Age. But it's hard to be very certain.
@Xanctus
@Xanctus Рік тому
ikr
@user-cx2bk6pm2f
@user-cx2bk6pm2f Рік тому
Very good summary
@ginnyhogan6386
@ginnyhogan6386 Рік тому
Wonderful!
@zanzabaarr
@zanzabaarr 3 роки тому
"the chariots were handcrafted..." well they should have ordered up some cheep manufactured chariots from Asia or something
@avatarkeano
@avatarkeano 3 роки тому
Lol
@jabloko992
@jabloko992 3 роки тому
*cheap
@josephnarvaez9507
@josephnarvaez9507 3 роки тому
I thought it's sheep manufactured chariots.
@Waffles9255
@Waffles9255 3 роки тому
Buying isn’t “CHEAP”
@spicymilk7311
@spicymilk7311 3 роки тому
Why are people so terrible at spelling words like “cheap” and “tough” now? I see people writing “cheep” and “tuff” now more than I did a few years ago.
@awesome24712
@awesome24712 3 роки тому
When the king of Ugarit said that the invaders had 'seven ships' I think it was understood at the time that he meant more than seven. 'Seven and seven' is an idiom (meaning many) seen in the Epic of Gilgamesh, and it's possible that its meaning was persisted through time. Just as 'one' to us can mean 'a united people', seven probably isn't literal. Not to mention that I couldn't see seven ships as all that threatening, what with the navies these civilizations had.
@johnnysasakithethird1209
@johnnysasakithethird1209 3 роки тому
I feel like 7 ships would've been a lot in 1200bc.
@celdur4635
@celdur4635 3 роки тому
@@johnnysasakithethird1209 Actually 7 warships has been "a lot" since the XIX century forwards, because it can carry so many cannons.
@johnnysasakithethird1209
@johnnysasakithethird1209 3 роки тому
I don't think they had cannons in 1200bc
@celdur4635
@celdur4635 3 роки тому
@@johnnysasakithethird1209 Use your brain to analyze things that you are told. *Because they didn't have cannons, 7 ships was very little, you needed a lot of ships because fighting was done man to man
@Eric-ng2ed
@Eric-ng2ed 3 роки тому
@@johnnysasakithethird1209 the ships were much smaller, 7 ships couldn't carry anything worth batting an eye at.
@sofiajacobsson1861
@sofiajacobsson1861 Рік тому
great video!
@jeefbeezoos7603
@jeefbeezoos7603 Рік тому
Historia Civilis always got the bangers in the outros
@johnvilyer4340
@johnvilyer4340 3 роки тому
Chariots: I'm the result of hundreds of years of technological and military research, I terrify battlefields. Sea peoples: I'm fast as f*ck boi
@satriaputrapratama4703
@satriaputrapratama4703 3 роки тому
Bruh you could switch them with Battleship and plane respectively, and it would still make sense haha
@Momusinterra
@Momusinterra 3 роки тому
You: I'm not amusing.
@Nefylym
@Nefylym 3 роки тому
LOL well put, thanks fer the laff
@HolyKhaaaaan
@HolyKhaaaaan 3 роки тому
3000 years later: Germans: we have state of the art tank warfare Finland: *stuffs rag in a bottle of gas and lights it on fire* LIGHT EM UP!
@foxymetroid
@foxymetroid 3 роки тому
@@HolyKhaaaaan Makes sense to replace Germans with Soviets, seeing as Finland allied with the former and fought the latter.
@dragonmouse3985
@dragonmouse3985 3 роки тому
They always ask, "where did the sea peoples come from?" I always ask, "Where did the sea peoples go?"
@Ilikeavocados123
@Ilikeavocados123 3 роки тому
Prob were assimilated like vikings were or the greeks did later on ?
@GTAandApplechannel
@GTAandApplechannel 2 роки тому
@@Ilikeavocados123 the Greek is still exist
@jewsco
@jewsco 2 роки тому
Most scholars think they became the phoecians of the Bible who went on to found Carthage
@happyslapsgiving5421
@happyslapsgiving5421 2 роки тому
If it hadn't been for the Sea Peoples, I'd have been married long time ago.
@krel7160
@krel7160 2 роки тому
@@happyslapsgiving5421 where did you come from, where did you go? where did you come from sea foam jones?
@elijahbachrach6579
@elijahbachrach6579 Рік тому
Describing the Stone Age as “oppressive” raises more questions than it answers, annoyingly. In what ways was it more oppressive than other ages?
@SuperCatacata
@SuperCatacata 11 місяців тому
This isn't a vid about the stone age.
@vorynrosethorn903
@vorynrosethorn903 16 днів тому
It didn't have cities so modern intellectuals are not big on it. Additionally it disproves the noble savage myth which is important to certain utopian ideologies. Beyond that most of these societies were fundamentally patriarchal, and tended to be led by priest-kings, based on the ancestor cults of the tribes (clan might be more accurate) they came from. However much of this was just as true of the bronze age, and much later. The old clan system was broken but the Church in western Europe in the middle ages, and patriarchal based government and civil structures as well as a divine hierarchy continued well into the enlightenment. They are effectively gone now, but will likely come back with a vengeance as they are disproportionate in communities who reproduce.
@sigurd154
@sigurd154 11 місяців тому
Watching this after the Total War Pharaoh announcement
@vreschen939
@vreschen939 3 роки тому
Did Tribune Aquila's ancestor approve of this collapse?
@merrittanimation7721
@merrittanimation7721 3 роки тому
He may have even been a part of it.
@sjsbviufvibwvuspi
@sjsbviufvibwvuspi 3 роки тому
He probably just sat down when the sea peoples came by
@ajideroock2177
@ajideroock2177 3 роки тому
best comment i've ever read
@Julianna.Domina
@Julianna.Domina 3 роки тому
He didn't give his approval to sack Egypt, which is why they survived.
@Retotion
@Retotion 3 роки тому
Honestly makes me curious to know what the direct ancestors of the Roman aristocracy were up to at this point. I imagine most of them would have been lowly backwater farmer or shepherds completely oblivious to how, while their farmer neighbor’s descendents would go on being peasant farmers for thousands of years, theirs would reach unimaginable heights of power
@GabrielEddy
@GabrielEddy 3 роки тому
“The peoples made a conspiracy in their islands. All at once, the lands were removed and scattered in the fray. No land could stand before their arms: from Hatti, Qode, Carchemish, Arzawa and Alashiya onward, being cut off at once. A camp was set up in Amurru. They desolated its people, and its land was like that which has never come into being. They were coming forward toward Egypt, the flame going before them. Their confederation was the Peleset, Tjeker, Shekelesh, Denyen and Weshesh, lands united. They laid their hands upon the land as far as the circuit of the earth, their hearts confident and trusting, ‘Our plans will succeed!’” -Pharaoh Ramesses III, 12th c. BCE
@legion999
@legion999 3 роки тому
you watched the video too?
@leopruessner
@leopruessner 3 роки тому
@@legion999 he actually just ripped off the full quote from the Sea Peoples wikipedia article, I can tell because he included "their confederation was the peleset, tejeker" etc, which is not included in the video. but if you look up "Peleset, Tjeker, Shekelesh, Denyen and Weshesh" on google the first result is the Sea Peoples wikipedia page.
@dylan__dog
@dylan__dog 3 роки тому
"Shekelesh" OK so the sea peoples were Jewish
@dohnjoe4100
@dohnjoe4100 3 роки тому
you can just feel the anger radiating from the full inscription.
@rasterbate87
@rasterbate87 3 роки тому
We should remember that this inscription is hagiographic propaganda meant to aggrandize Ramesses III after his death. The more fearsome the enemy, the more glorious his victory.
@abitoftheuniverse2
@abitoftheuniverse2 8 місяців тому
You're an epic teacher. Thanks. ❤
@terrywestmorland3069
@terrywestmorland3069 Рік тому
...yes, when "The Bank" arrived from nowhere and here we are..Debt,Debt,Debt...? Who? What?...Why????
@nairamy8181
@nairamy8181 3 роки тому
Glorious Egyptian bow, sinewed over a thousand times, pierce through three inches of bronze, filthy sea people go home - Original guy who wrote the source for that claim, probably
@WozWozEre
@WozWozEre 3 роки тому
Three inches of bronze is total bullshit.
@FrikInCasualMode
@FrikInCasualMode 3 роки тому
@@WozWozEre Yeah. It's a tank level armor. Totally useless for a human that needs to actually move.
@Praiokles
@Praiokles 3 роки тому
There must be a mistake, no bow can punch through 3 inches of metal (I guess he means bronze)
@Ratchet4647
@Ratchet4647 3 роки тому
Clearly untrue, unless it means that it penetrates 3 inches of flesh upon piercing through Bronze or Copper armor?
@Zmok
@Zmok 3 роки тому
Egyptian bow can cut through tank armor. Egyptian officers used their herediary bows in Yom Kippur War with great effect.
@dominicnero9256
@dominicnero9256 3 роки тому
Imagine being alive during this time. Their world literally ended and I'm sure it must have been terrifying. No way to explain any of it beyond the gods are angry.
@JohnWayne-dh8gl
@JohnWayne-dh8gl 3 роки тому
Man, barely anything happens nowadays and you still got morons insisting this is the "end times" and that Jesus is about to return. Meanwhile the Bronze Age people underwent catastrophic earthquakes, an excruciating drought, large foreign invasions from barbarian peoples and many other calamities.
@insertcognomen
@insertcognomen 3 роки тому
at least we don't have the earthquakes and droughts...at least not yet
@SantomPh
@SantomPh 3 роки тому
The normal way of fighting is outdone by a new thing called mobile infantry. No one adapts, everyone is still stubbornly holding on to outdated things.
@shaunpatrick8345
@shaunpatrick8345 3 роки тому
A lot of people are working on bringing about civilisational collapse today. Just give it time and remember the sea peoples wanted only to migrate for a better life, but faced nativist aggression.
@queenrayne1338
@queenrayne1338 3 роки тому
I mean, we are living through a version of it right now. The famine and drought migrations, waterwars and climate catastrophes have already started. Next comes waves of refugees and when they have nowhere to go and no other choice (because humans are greedy and don't plan for catastrophes) they will pick up arms to take what they need.
@sandwhich1172
@sandwhich1172 11 місяців тому
Who’s here after Total War: Pharaoh was announced?
@billetheridge6612
@billetheridge6612 Рік тому
Thanks!
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