Wow that’s dark. But fitting

@@DavidLightbringer Yeah, it sucked, but it's been a few years now. Aenar is still going strong, so there's that and the tanks have all been slowly restocked since that time. Also put a generator in.

@@hardybryan Damn, give it a few more years and you'll have a selfproclaimed fish sitting ontop of your Iron sink claiming to be king over the Showerbeds and the Toilet wastelands, riding your cat into battle conquering his foes!

@@MentalBrothers 😆😆😆

Damn sorry to hear about all of your fish... Sucks you weren't able to get some other kind of heated for you and your fish for a few days.

The Iron bank! Mind Blown!

What a bold and yet clever way to launder your blood money.

@@wallybonejengles5595 I mean... it would explain the fact that the guards are watching the money AND EACH OTHER. Seems like the Mafias of the world should take note.

I suspect the Iron Bank gets a huge discount when hiring FM to collect debts.

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You mean the planet

They sorta forgot.

Well Aenor is a high born in the first place though, with the dragon rider gene within him and certainly not rags to richest

@Sean Francis Waters Lancaster the Targaryens was not the weakest of the Dragonlord families they were not one of the most powerful but they were not the weakest either and their were 40 Dragonlord families that ruled Valyria not 43.

Given Littlefinger's grandfather (or great-grandfather, dont remember entirely but pretty sure it was the grandfather) was from Braavos, founded by valyrian slaves, and how in our world there were quite a few mixed-race slave children, they could even share some sort of (very) distant ancestry. Completely irrelevant either way, given most people in Essos, at least, if not Westeros, are probably descended from Valyrians, but the theory popped into my head the second I read "Littlefinger of Valyria"

*Aenar, not Aenor

@Sean Francis Waters Lancaster 40* families. There were just 40 dragonlord families, not 43. Where did you get the 43 from?

Would the top dogs let a small player conquer a continent and keep it to themselves? Really unlikely, that would shift the power dynamic quite a bit. But your other ideas are good, Targaryens may not have been the sly puppet musters but folks who were smart enough to see the opportunity and dumb enough not to see all the consequences. Petty revenge is also quite a believable motive for a dragon lord reduced to living on a rock in the middle of nowhere.

@@michaelkulakov9716 Uncontrollable underlings getting too violent is also a common ASOIAF trope. Everyone from the Goldcloaks to the Sand Snakes gleefully leap into bludgeoning and murder when left unattended.

But if they believed that the Doom would wipe out the whole of Valyria, why would they then bother to waste a ton of gold to hire the Faceless Men to do what they had already expected to be achieved by the cataclysm of the Doom? :)

It would create their best chance at creating a monopoly. It's one of the reasons they practice incest amongst dragon-riders, to monopolize the dragon power. Creating scarcity of Valyrian steel would drive up the prices. It honestly isn't the best business plan, but villains are stupid, and if the Targaryens caused the Doom, then they could very well qualify as villains, especially if it was like a Mafia hit to eliminate rivals instead of ending tyranny, leaving them the Valyrian Godfathers.

Self fulfilling prophecy seems to be George’s thing, the prophecy in itself isn’t really true but the actions it inspires are real and seem to fulfill he prophecy in a way.

that's very Dune too

Shannon0893 check out my comment, I was thinking along the same lines. We know dreams can be influenced. I was thinking the great other or one of his minions but I like your idea too

@@PaiMeiofthelotusclan very very sneaky guys, haha

I mean that's an inside inside job, good lawd. Right inside the skull

I think it more likely that the opposite happened : Daenys' dream inspired Aenar's plan. If the destruction of Valyria was already fortold, it would have been smart of Aenar to get out of the way, and to make sure that it happened in a way that benefited him and his family.

You and lml would get along

If the Targareans gave the faceless men the tools to destroy valeria then perhaps they are cool with targs

Planetos 💀💀💀

We know that the sealord of Bravos once bought three dragons eggs from a Targaryen princess. Which probably means that they are ok with dragons as long as they serve them or their interest. In Danys case ending slavery, weakening the other trade cities of essos and paying back the money they loaned the iron throne.

I think it could have been bloodraven trying to warn Aerys about the White Walkers and Wights

@@Mizelei2012 Yes I think that's a good possibility!

@Chuck Spadina He wasn't always as deranged as a young person though, according to reports

Him being imprisoned for 6 months probably didn't help

"Burn them all," was time travelling Bran. I think he was mad because Bloodraven kept warging into him.

It's the extra stuff that you do so well that brings me back time and time again! Well that and geeking out HARD on ASOIAF.

i commented the same thing on another LML video - this guy really knows what he does

couldn’t agree more i love the genuine intrigue that these vids can capture

I'm back here at 81.3k subs baby!

That’s what I always think of too 😆

@@AshePBlack a volcano

yes, and I'm going to talk about that in P2. I think I found more evidence that that was part of the purpose

as Preston Jacobs often argues, Feudalism and serfdom really is another form of slavery (at least in GRRMartin's perspective, as he draws some parallels between serfs and slaves)

@@DavidLightbringer you don't know lucifer. Meet his son ukposts.info/have/v-deo/oX2ha3h_mJ6KmZc.html watch him when you are bored. He's a dark Sith... And his forehead is blessed with the blood and guts of little baby jesus.

@@whitealliance9540 quiet, nazi

@ sorry I dont think black people can be Nazis... Kinda a conflict of interest ... But you have ZI in your last name so you can be a Nazi for me. Be cute and wear daddys musky thong.

So I thought about, and in part to I am going to address a few loose end arguments like this. I think the Faceless Men probably would have asked Aenar for a ton of gold, yes - and he may well have paid more than what he got from the sale of Brightroar, for sure. We know he was selling swords at that time from Dragonstone. But for the purposes of our mystery, it's that cursed casterly rock gold that we want to follow, even if other gold that may well have been involved in the deal. The other factor is that the Faceless Men would have their own motivations and reasons for wanting to bring Valyria down, so it may be that they quoted Aenar a price he could actually pay when they not have otherwise. Like if somebody came and said they wanted to kill everyone in Yi Ti (perhaps through some sort of disease or virus or something comprable to a Doom event), the FM would be like "that'll be a billion dollars please" but for Valyria, they might have been like "well how much you got"

@@DavidLightbringer ​ I look forward to Part II. I'm definitely interested in seeing if you can tie the theory into the other pieces and prophecies around the Doom. Tin Foil Add On: Is it possible the timeline for that prophecy could apply to the more current story instead? If the Targs are the last of the Valyrian Freehold and the Lannisters play the final role in the Targ's end, is that not destroying the last of the Freehold. I.e. Lannisters backing the rebellion and putting an end to the Targ ruling dynasty, maybe if the gold belt Drogo used could have been made from gold traded from the rock, if Dany meets some end as well relating to the Lannisters? It'd be a shame but could fit. I always thought it was interesting that GRRM writes his prophecies in ways that make it seem disaster was pretty avoidable if the person hearing them just chose not to believe it and act otherwise. E.g. the Freehold then believed the gold is "cursed" so they leave it in Casterly Rock, but by leaving it there is what allowed the Lannisters to use it to buy Brightroar or later have the power/influence to destroy the last of the Targs.

I think the FM perform jobs for things other than capital gain or interest. The riddance of slavery may have been enough for them to act. Perhaps, there organization wasn't as powerful at that time and Aenar threatened to burn them to the ground, or the Aenar knew was forced by the FM. There are a lot ways Martin could elaborate if he wanted too.

@@Nga_Babaye I agree I don't think money alone is enough to motivate them. I can't remember where but I heard a theory that suggested that Danys the Dreamer, didn't have prophetic visions so much as she was visited by someone. Like how Quaithe gives Danaerys prophecy of what's to come.

@@CZ-dg7te Aenar took, nor employed slaves, afterward, so that says something about whatever happened.

Not only would TFM have a personal investment in the job (being descendants of escaped slaves of the Freehold), but if AT met the conditions of acquiring their services (third of his wealth) they’d have absolutely done it. Getting in contact with TFM wouldn’t have been difficult considering proximity between Braavos and Dragonstone. Even if dragons struggle to locate Braavos due to the fog, intermediaries could’ve easily been used to arrange a meeting.

theyr're faceless men, they're no one, you can pay no one to kill someone. its that simple to them

Oh this is a fun one

glad someone feels me on that... I'm from SF but same deal

Lucifer means Lightbringer it used to be said that SF was the only west coast city that would feel like home for a NYer.

@@DavidLightbringer We get a lot of San Franciscans moving to Asheville, NC these days. I read quite a few Californians writing for local papers call it the Little San Francisco of the Mountains, but I think it's mostly a micro brewery thing, along with connections between various types of art that originates from both places.

@@Nga_Babaye that's interesting, because Asheville is on my list of places to retire to (they are also known for having an active lifestyle). I have a few years to go, but it can't hurt to plan! I need to find someplace where geeks/nerds are in reasonable numbers :-)

@Dr. M. H. I have no idea why property skyrocketed over there in 1990s other than Mission Hospital-St. Joseph Merger and everyone wanted to come in and work at it, and the brewery shit. I just believe in living outside and playing inside. Biltmore only upgraded because of Mission's growth.

which one, the fame of George flipping the bird?

@@DavidLightbringer All of it !!! Stoked for part 2

oh wow that's fantastic to hear! Put a smile on my face :)

Rachael , yes LmL has said that in recent streams that the Targs could have sold the Lannisters Brightroar for the funding of the operation (with Lannister gold from the sword purchase) , which certainly is a possibility. But I am sure LmL will clarify further in this vid which I believe premieres tomorrow.

@@alexb3604 you are both correct! And Rachael the stream Alex is talking about is this livestream with Ba'al the Bard where we workshopped the ideas that went into this vid and the Part 2 I will make soon: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/mn6LjJefjIBio5s.html

@@DavidLightbringer didn't you mention in this very video that house Stark got its sword just before the doom of valeria? My first thought was that maybe Aenor got his fortune from selling swords all over westeros. ... or maybe the point is that he just charged more for the lannisters so they were the bulk of the gold that went to faceless men instead of back to valeria? Just made me think that maybe they were plotting how to take over westeros by selling these swords everywhere - family business - which makes it extra cool that Aegon takes all the swords of westeros lords that oppose him and melt them into his thrown - family legacy.

@@WarrenEBB wow,, if that was his plan then what aegon did is the most brutally beautiful thing I've heard off

Oh okay that’s another angle on that prophecy no one has mentioned. But yes you’re right, almost all the golden conns Westeros has ever had came from Casterly mines. Very good

Hey Lily! Great to see you around!

That’s very possible, and if they ever do a Valyria show that would be a good way to spice up the plot

You didn't notice the glowing red eyes of all the Yellowstone "Park Rangers?" Total giveaway

Thanks so much for saying so :)

How? Valyria is a smoking, demon-infested hellscape. You literally cannot traverse it. No one returns from there. If you’re referring to the Valyria we got in the show, that was not book accurate at all.

The last time someone travelled to Valyria, they wound up infested with Firewyrms and died painfully and there was something big enough to hurt Balerion, who was MUCH larger and dangerous than any of Dany's dragons.

No; Asshai! Home of her ancestor, the amethyst empress.

well he is Azor Ahai right?

because its "history" i imagine he told her they should move to invrease wealth, she told him of her prophecy which aligned with his actions, he made the move, told the lords it was for a dream, and got rich, idk if im still convinved he caused the doom,

great points Alex. I think that I generally see the FM, the Ion Bank, and the political powers of Braavos as simpatico; that's why I'm assuming the general motivations of the escaped slaves of Braavos apply to the FM. So we are on the same page there. It's totally possible (as I mentioned in the video) that the FM / Braavos in general had enough motivation to cause the Doom by themselves. But if that was all there was to it, why the passage about the prophecy of casterly Gold causing the Doom? Brightroar in particular is tied to Valyria in so many ways as well. I also agree the maesters are a logical suspect, but don't see any textual clues about their being involved with Brightroar, Casterly Gold, or the Doom. As for Aenar's motives, I will make my full argument in Part 2, but essentially I think there's only 2 ways Aenar willingly participates in the genocide of his entire nation: he's either a complete sociopath the likes of which we've rarely ever seen on earth, or, he saw that Valyria was on track for another 5,000 years of slavery and genocide unless someone with inside knowledge brought them down,. I think it's actually more likely and logical that he was horrified by Valyria (sooner or later some Valyrians WOULD dissent, just as happens everywhere in the real world) than he was a genocidal maniac... because he didn't try to conquer or enslave anyone after he was "the only one left with dragons."

@@DavidLightbringer yeah I mostly agree with your claims / theory tbh , and I am not saying the Targs were not involved , I just happen to think a few factions came together beyond just the Targs and FM. I was not aware you were lumping those Braavosi factions together in this situation but yes the Iron Bank , top of Braavosi power structure and the FM did have a seemingly joint interest against the Valyrians. The FM to me just seem a separate entity to the Braavosi hierarchy being that the FM have their own agenda and M.O. that sometimes intersects with Braavos. The FM it seems of course would be willing to do anything for the right price and being formed under Valyrian slavery in the mines was definitely an added bonus to get one over on the Freehold but I was missing the fact that the Iron Bank and Braavosi power / political structure factored in your T + FM = D . But if they are factored all in together all those Braavosi entities then I am even closer to being fully on board. And I do agree with you GRRM is not going to put "throw away" concepts with Lannister gold linked to The Doom , Brightroar coming into House Lannister just before The Doom. As I am saying I just thought it seemed more a joint venture beyond only the Targs and the FM. The problem I have with Targ morality is a few fold and I just don't think its totally clear. For one , only a generation or so later they not so benevolently put Westeros to the sword or more like to the dragon , conquering the continent with not any sort of claim , giving the lords of the realm the choice of bending the knee or death , of which resulted in a lot of bloodshed and atrocity including Harrenhal , Field of Fire etc. Also , the Targs did have , use and brought over slaves , so I am not so sure they were purely against the practice but they were politically very astute and abandoning the practice to gain favor and acceptance in Westeros could have factored in. Just like adopting a sigil , joining The Faith , occasionally marrying into the Houses of the realm etc. If they continued slavery they would have further emboldened resistance before , during and after the Conquest and limited their political and power opportunities on the continent imo. So the fact they had slaves not that long before they made the trip over to Dragonstone and had political aspirations in Westeros , well done they abandoned slavery but I am not sure it was purely a morality move. Ntm , they were at or near the bottom of the Dragonlord hierarchy in Valyria so there was more upward mobility in Westeros with financial opportunity they seized with the Velaryon's with sea trade and power wise being the only House with Dragons in the immediate area. That being said perhaps not the Targs overall but Aenar himself could have been a woke enlightened guy with wanting to stop Valyrian oppression and atrocity , I just am not sure the behavior of Aegon and subsequent Targs meant that same level of morality continued to near the same degree after Aenar. But it is possible the Targs or as I said more likely just Aenar himself grew horrified with the Freehold overall because over the 5 millennia of their existence they certainly grew into a proper evil empire with destruction , genocide , insane levels of mass slavery , torture , all sorts of twisted experimentation etc. And perhaps the generations after Aenar did not have the exact views he had and when Aegon I saw a power vacuum with no other dragons on Planetos and weak ability to resist them on Westeros somewhat corrupted the once held morality. And of course with the upward mobility and prosperity (financially especially) opportunity for the Targs from leaving Valyria for Westeros has to be factored in also. But with Aenar himself I am definitely open to him being rather woke for his time. And if the Braavosi top brass and the Iron Bank are in together with the FM in your formula then i am very close to being fully on board anyway. With The Citadel though I agree we do not have direct textual evidence with The Doom but I think its not purely coincidental the stories from the main series and companions novels / novellas we have gotten with the maesters likely part instigating the Dance which killed a lot of dragons , and likely poisoned or some form of intervention to wipe out the dragons / line of dragons remaining after the Dance , that its not a massive stretch to think they would have likely tried to take part and contribute towards taking out the biggest , largest most threatening Dragon Empire on Planetos just a couple centuries before the known actions against dragons we know they likely took. Why even throw those asides in there and attribute such actions to the Citadel / maesters for instance , could be to hint they played a part in The Doom. Ntm , the Citadel and Westerosi powers in general had to be wary the Freehold would eventually have western aspirations at some point. And it is fairly clear that most any magical entities like dragons in particular are not in the majority of the Citadel's worldview so I do think its fairly plausible they could have played some part in The Doom. Braavos & the Iron Bank I am nearly certain of their involvement , Citadel I have my suspicions as well and the Targs are def in for a shout they certainly benefited massively from The Doom I am just torn on their exact motivations. Was it purely a power move or was their a morality view at play which with Aenar in particular I can get behind him having a moral impetus. I am just not sure if that collective morality genuinely permeated much beyond Aenar to subsequent Targs , especially with the Conquest not that long after which of course brings in some moral questions along with a lot other questionable immoral behavior from the Targs in the immediate generations after as well.

@@DavidLightbringer I do find the theory of Aenar paying the FM in order to blown up Valyria fascinating. But considering how hated the Valyrians were a lot of people probably wanted their empire to disappear . Perhaps Aenar found out the FM were planning to blow up Valyria by killing their mages.Or the FM contacted him first. The gold he received out of selling valyrian steel coud have been used to convince the FM to spare him and his family. He also could have provided the FM much needed information how to infiltrate Valyria and who exactly to kill. It would explain why the FM never bothered the Targaryens after the Doom. They owed them a lot.

oh hey that's a good thought!

DoVisenya good point, but think about the faceless men, they aren’t an army, their assassins. Would killing a couple top dogs in Meereen, Astapor, Yunkai, etc really stop slavery? Let’s say you took out the top dogs in all those cities. Wouldn’t some one else just take their place? Isn’t this what happens to Dany in Astapor? They might have even tried but realized they can’t change the way their whole world works with assassinations.

But I do agree with you partly, we don’t actually have a lot of evidence that the Faceless Men hate slavery. We know that they hated the Valerians. Slavery itself is more complicated especially in the time period of our story. I Think it was Dario’s explanation that said some slaves want the employment and can have a high quality of live and even some dignity in some cases (some, not all) the Faceless men could of not liked the sacrifices of slaves to the fire more than the concept of slavery in general

I completely agree!!!!! I feel it has more to do with money and power instead of moral reasons. I think Daenerys upbringing being poor and on the run is why she’s so against slavery. Her ancestors had money but were no great power, and if they had a hand in the doom they were the it family.

I agree neither the Faceless Men nor Bravos has done anything to get rid of slavery in Essos, aside from Bravos defeating Pentos but all that did was change the form of slavery Pentos practice and let be real Bravos and the Iron bank without a doubt profits from slavery in Essos.

yeah feel free to drop the link here William! I am interested in the possibility that one of the first FM was a Targ, for sure. Gonna talk about that in P2

@@DavidLightbringer It should be finished soon. I have articles on visions, Jon Snow, Arya and Dany, and lots more. Unfortunately I have to use clip art because I don't have the money to pay an artist. But otherwise its well worth looking at.

@@DavidLightbringer www.speculations-asoiaf.com/ Sorry for the delay. Took longer to finish than I had expected. Feel free to send me any suggestions or corrections you have.