I would love to try a keyboard like this, it's just that the price is so ridiculously huge that it's a massive investment for something that's quite subjective.

"80% learning on day 1 while making the move form traditional key layout to orthogonal keys" is a complete overstatement and I would even go on to say its misguiding (sorry). It took me well over a month to get to my normal rhythm with the new layout. The change in the feeling from "Aargh! why I bought this keyboard" to "I can't live without this keyboard" came around the turn of the week 2 to week 3. I have gone through other review videos and they share similar feedback, check other reviews out for yourself before investing. I am a model developer and have been using my Kinesis for more than 2 years now. Apart from that, nice video :)

I recently got into split keyboards and I'm loving it. Could you share how you got your glove80's attached to the chair?

I built my own ortholinear / column staggered keyboard and was practicing with it daily for a month. Also started with colemak (dh-m) at the same time. I fell out of practice after a move and definitely want to get back into it. At the time I was programming less so I could take the productivity hit. I really want to get the glove80 or similar keyboards to try. I'm definitely more of a build vs buy so I'll have to see what options are available. Thanks for the review though! I think I found this video of yours, but after recently getting into rust, I've been watching a lot more of your videos. Excellent info and excellent quality! Keep it up, man! Oh also, yeah I'm a fan of less keys. My current build has 41. I could definitely be happy with 42, but I think with programming, layers don't feel as nice as having a row of keys for easy access. Although, with the brackets on the thumbs, that might do for 90% of what I need the extra keys for. Also, I tried the numbers on the home row layer with colemak, and maybe because I was doing too much at once, but I didn't like that like I thought I would.

Great content! I was originally going to get a Moonlander, but got a Piantor instead after seeing your first video. I'm very pleased with it, and falling down a very deep and expensive rabbit hole!

this is exactly what i need! so glad i found this video

Would be nice to see the video with a deep dive inside your ZMK layout: how you manage it, how your HRM is configured, number or layers, how you switch between them and etc

I got my first split keyboard thanks to you. It arrived yesterday and while I still suck with it (ortholinear layout is weird, I always find myself overreaching). I got the Keebio iris rev 8, but something tells me this is just the beginning of the rabbit hole.

I got the Glove80 from first batch and I'm perfectly used to it now, it is my first ergo / nextgen keyboard, I love it, I don't like using usual keyboards now. Howerer, I had a different experience than you learning to use it. To learn Glove80, you have to switch using the pinky to using the thumb for most of the main modifier and main keys: Ctrl, Shift, Alt, Enter, Backspace, Delete. This was hard to learn and unintuitive for days, ~2-3 weeks. The thumbs now have 4-6 frequent keys to manage instead of 1,5. But it's definitely worth it, I am no longer twisting my wrist all the time to hit Shift+X or Ctrl+X or Ctrl+Shift/Alt+X (it is often usefull even when coding in Vim), this is a MASSIVE game changer in typing comfort, undoubtly worth it !! Yeah the battery lasts way longer (2-3 month for left half) than what is advertised (3weeks for left half), as long as you don't use the lights I guess. I think the right half lasts 4-6 month when the battery is new and you don't use lights xD

I agree with the 58-key version. I built a Ferris Sweep after watching the video that you linked in this video. I then found the ZSA Voyager, bought that and have been using it ever since. I really hope mo ergo makes a smaller, portable version. As for alternate switches, I changed my Kailh browns with the Kailh Sunset switches.

Great video. I think I came across moergo a while ago. Unfortunately they didn’t ship to my country. So decided to go with another ergonomic keyboard. Just wondering, what is the arm that you’re using for the starship captain style?

Thanks so much for the video! Do you have links to the mini tripods and also to the chair mount-pod?

I am a huge keyboard snob - Couldn't live without my Kinesis' (plural) - However you have given me reason to look much closer at the glove80 - Thanks for the thoroughness!

This is a good video, as a rust developer trying to build a corne, which was working for awhile, it is very rewarding. I have also been looking into the other main keyboards voyager, dygma defy, globe and a unicorn lp for the next keyboard. Having short stubby fingers I have found the corne lp with choc keycaps a little bit crowded.

Thanks for the video :) Coincidentally I've ordered this keyboard just a few days ago!

You should try the sunset tactile switches, they feel a lot heavier than the linears but they're so nice.

thank you for the great review, you convinced me. After seeing your video, I bought mine, too. I just got it today. Can you share more details of your layout? I am a programmer too. I like where you put your brackets, but I am wondering where you left the modifiers

I'm considering getting a new columnar keyboard, so this was useful -- thanks. I do find it interesting that the well matters so much to you given that you (like me) prefer to use layers rather than the upper two rows. Three rows and a bunch of thumb keys make more sense to me, but I figured that for that reason the wells are of little importance. But perhaps you are talking mostly about the left/right part of the well? So far I'm leaning toward the Dygma Defy; have you tried it?

Hey, thanks for the video, was quite useful! Seeing the arm chair mount I got really excited as about 15 years ago I came up with a similar design (I am sure I am not the only one), but this is the first time I am seeing it someone actually implemented that! I want to try that! A small note, when you are using the arm rest, this should be in level of your forearm - in the video you see some angles that would result in your wrist bending back, causing some tension. When it is leveled, the hand will be exactly in a position like on a piano - that is for the maximum and most efficient grip on keys. Thanks again man, will check Glove 80 straight away!

Great video! You might want to adjust/increase the camera focus depth (or if it's a software effect) when showing things closer to the camera. In this video they mostly become blurred out and it's hard to make out any detail.

starship captain style is so comfortable. Glove 80 seems to tick all the boxes for me; even small things like thumb key placement matters.

I just got mine today and its amazing!

Give me a glove 36! It's not for everyone to only use 36 keys, but the Choc options for a curved keywell 36 key board is basically custom or nothing.

Can't wait to try

If you wanted to get close to key wells in a Korn or Moon Lander, you can use MT3 profile key caps.

So I got the glove80 thanks to your previous video, I already feel comfortable typing with it, I found the documentation on how to install your own layout was a bit lacking and I agree that the top two rows of the keyboard are a little harder to reach so I only use 58 keys

Great video. Which tripod did you use to setup de chair mount to your Aeron?

Got a Moonlander with Cherry white linear. using Colmak DH setup . Perfect for me , have layers for gaming as left handed, Zbush , Blender , Substance . Love how easy it is to create macros and multi key taps.

What are you using to mount the keyboard to your chair?

try out the Dactyl Manuform. if youre into 3D printing and can navigate a config file for parametric models you can essentially completely customize all aspects of these types of boards from tenting to digit depth and alot more.

ready to go to the moon with the keyboard, love it

I looked for it and I couldn't find any shops or companies that sell split keyboards in my country. Now I'm contemplating custom making my own (3D printing the case and such). I've been wanting one since the moonlander released two years ago.

Numbers on homerow is interesting. Why that instead of numpad on a layer? isn't typing numbers with the hand that also presses the layer key uncomfortable? I use a custo. split Planck layout. I am migrating to a Corn-ish Zen.

hi just got my board today. Was googling different key-layouts and I found this excellent video . Would you mind sharing your key-layouts? I am not intending to use as is but to use an example of what might be useful for me. I use a lot of shortcuts like ctrl+shift+f12 etc and in default layout it would require me to move my hands completely from the home row , which defeats the purpose of the keyboard. I would be interested to see how you have solved this problem. Thank you

Have you tried the DactylManuform? quite similar as well, and open source

i've been dreaming of a pre built wireless split ergo keyboard for a while now so I'm glad this showed up in my recommended

With the layering, and the visible key labeling doesnt change, is it hard to remember the key peogramming when using different layers?

Crap - I'm at that stage of the decision making process where I already put it in the shopping cart 🙈 Soo expensive, but I really like the customizations you did to your layout. Thanks for making this video.

I tried a moonlender but the thumb cluster and the unstable tenting really pushed me away. I tried a glove80 and I think a glove without top row would be perfect.

I have a question, I saw in your other video that you don't really use upper two rows. If so, wouldn't a keyboard like Piantor be a better choice? Do you need curve if you use only three rows anyway? I don't own any keyboards like that right now and want to buy one soon, so I'm really curious about that. I really like the idea of using the layer functionality, wouldn't the top two rows feel kind of wasted?

Thanks for the review, I watched your other video and you said that you bought keychron q1. How would you compare it to glove80? I am torn on my next keyboard purchase. I have been debating between keychron q1 and glove80. I never owned a spilt keyboard before. So what would you recommend? 😅

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:04 🌟 The Glove80 keyboard is highly praised for its ergonomic design and productivity-enhancing features. 01:28 🎮 It's considered a NextGen keyboard due to its departure from traditional typewriter-style layouts. 02:09 ⌨️ The Glove80 features an ortholinear/column stagger design, reducing finger strain and optimizing key placement. 02:38 🔄 The curved key well on the Glove80 reduces finger movement for increased typing efficiency. 03:05 🔊 The Chalk key caps and switches on the Glove80 are shorter and quieter than traditional ones. 03:48 📱 It supports Bluetooth and can connect to up to four devices, making it versatile for various setups. 04:01 ⚙️ The Glove80 offers three key switch options: linear, tactile, and clicky, each with its unique feel and sound. 07:57 🎨 The stock key caps on the Glove80 are made of PAL material, offering a soft yet grippy texture. 09:20 🧩 The Glove80 key caps are uniform, allowing flexible layout customization, including international layouts. 10:56 💪 The build quality of the Glove80 is sturdy and lightweight, dispelling concerns about its construction. 11:38 🔋 The battery life of the Glove80 is impressive, lasting weeks or months, even with RGB lighting disabled. 12:18 📈 The Glove80 supports tenting and tilting for customizable ergonomic preferences. 13:40 ⌨️ The keyboard layout on the Glove80 can be highly customized through either the UI configurator or direct firmware editing. 15:02 🪑 The Glove80 offers a unique chair mount accessory that lets you attach the keyboard to your chair for added convenience. 17:39 🚀 Compared to other NextGen keyboards like the Moonlander, Corn, and Kinesis Advantage 360, the Glove80 offers a distinct combination of features and layout preferences. 19:32 🧩 Keycaps on the Kinesis Advantage 360 aren't uniform and can't be easily interchanged between rows, unlike the Glove80. 20:00 🖐️ The Glove80 is deliberately designed for different hand sizes, accommodating a variety of users. 20:28 📈 Learning to use a NextGen keyboard like the Glove80 has a moderate learning curve, with most users adapting within a day and gradually improving over several weeks. 21:37 🤷 Some users may not use the top two rows of keys on the Glove80 and might prefer a slightly more compact version. 22:05 🔌 The Glove80's switches are soldered onto the PCB, making it challenging to change them, which could be a consideration for those who enjoy experimenting with different switches. Made with HARPA AI

I like the idea of mounting a keyboard to my chair, but I wonder how you deal with the mouse in that case? When you're sitting back in your chair, it seems like you'd need to lean forward to reach the desk and use the mouse when you need to. Any version of the glove80 that has a trackball or something?

Have you any idea on how does it compare to the ZSA Voyager that recently came out? Would be cool to see this kind of comparison

I had a much longer learning curve to get competent with the glove80, coming from a non-split board. I can type ~100 WPM on a traditional board, and I'm currently averaging 70 WPM on the glove80 after about a month of daily use. The first few days I felt like I had holes in my brain trying to find the keys. Once I was comfortable with the layout, I still had to break habits that caused me to make errors. Most of my errors occur on keys near the inside of the board, because these keys are the easiest to reach when "crossing over" the middle line. Another habit to break is "rolling" multiple fingers on keys from the same column, which is essentially impossible in an ortholonear layout.

Spot on with the first con: it has 2 more rows than it needs. Layers are better for ergo, would love a smaller version.

Just bought the glove80 in a black friday clearance sale. Looking forward to playing with it, especially since I am a programmer. My wrist and elbow pain is awful so i am hoping this thing helps.

If there was a glove 60 or around that number I'd buy one now, got so used to having numbers and other things in layers Its a god damn delight

I have two of them and agree that it is the best format for a full size keyboard. The next generation should include the option to include MX style switches because choc switches are fairly unsatisfying and lack character. The switch options are probably my biggest criticism of the glove. If you're looking for a minimalist board the best is the Corne.

I just got the zsa voyager and love finally being able to mount it to my chair, kinda disappointing they decided to not put bluetooth in it.

How are the RGB lights with the dark keycaps? Is the difference between the light and dark one significant?

Thanks 🙏

I went straight from typing on my custom Keychron Q1 Pro to Miryoku QMK for my choc Ferris Sweep with Colmak-DHm. I figured, if I'm going to learn split I might as well jump in the deep end and not confuse my muscle memory when I switch to qwerty on a laptop. Now I want more keys. 34 is just a little restrictive. Even though I do enjoy home row mods.

what I really want to know - the kenesis has deeper keys, how much of a difference does this make? my experience is that low-profile keys increase typing errors.. also, many of us like to use our keyboards for gaming - how does the glove80 handle the traditional WASD configuration?

Nice video! but how about the Dygma Defy?

seeing keyboard attached to a chair is insta like and subscribe!

hey i love the video! i think i might get one of these. i might suggest lowering your prompter a little bit i think it's putting your gaze a little too high 🙂

Kind of in between voyager and glove 80. Like that glove 80 has bluetooth, but really like how voyager looks, not sure if I’m going to be annoyed with cables.

track ball for ergo keyboards are a life saver

My last few keyboards had cherry mx blue mechanical switches. What is the closest match on the glove80?

im also a fan of chair mount but you gotta try lapdesk (wide) with recliner in Windows Mixed Reality or SimulaVR with high resolution vr headset (hp reverb g2 is best pixel for your buck).

Great video!!! I was about to take the Glove80 but I finally purchased the Voyager. I’m still waiting for it. Do you know it? Any feedback on it? Thanks again

Where do you place your mouse when typing at your "Captain's Chair"?

380€, man I hope its good

I'd love to see you try a dactyl keyboard.

What order of homerow mods do you use?

I bought the Glove80 because of your review, have used it for a week, and have decided it is not for me. It's mainly due to (1) the raised pinky finger rows, which I can't get used to, (2) the keycaps are too slippery (I prefer some textured touch), and, as you have pointed out, (3) too many keys (can do without the top 2 rows). Also, the 1-year warranty compared to the 2-year+ warranty from other premium keyboard manufacturers (ZSA & Dygma) shows Moergo's lack of confidence in the longevity of the keyboard. Not to mention plastic vs metal. The good things I find about Glove80 are (1) excellent documentation and (2) the Custom Defined Behaviours in the Layout Editor, which are helpful for power users. In the meantime, I have switched back to my Corne keyboard and put in an order for a ZSA Voyager. If anyone is interested in getting a Glove80, you can find my 1 week old Glove80 v2 and the tripod mounting kit on eBay tomorrow.

I'm curious how you handle using a mouse when you have the board connected to the chair. Is it annoying to reach forward onto the desk constantly in some cases where you are having to switch back and forth?

The number of keys could be reduced even further, the most ideal would probably be just 10 keys, so that the fingers don't have to lift and fumble at all. And that such a thing is not possible? Here are some principles and tricks, some of which I use in my own program (Key³): long press (my method since 1996, Sam Coupé computer, my OS Explosion) double press (my method since 1996, Sam Coupe computer, my OS Explosion) shallow press (analogue magnetic keyboards) deep press (analog magnetic keyboards) combination of the previous extra shift methods (sync, async, ... my idea from 2013) extended shift modes (my idea from 2024 based on order and length, I won't specify) touch layer (my idea from 2022) I believe this keyboard is very comfortable, but I wouldn't tolerate it, I like straight lines, last year I stood in front of a bent monitor for a while and really had to exert myself a lot not to straighten it :)

I have this keyboard basically since the launch, my only issue with it is the sound. Not that it's loud, but it just sounds like cheap hallow plastic when I type on it.

Have you tried the ZSA voyager?

my question is: once you've attached the keyboard to your chair like that.... how do you control the mouse?

Zmk does not support mouse keys, how do you use your mouse when glove 80 is mounted on your chair ?

Thoughts on the Dygma Defy?

I have glove 80 and Zsa voyager and I’m not sure which one I love moore. They are both super comfy to type on but the voyager has significantly less keys and is much more portable

Before you said it, I was thinking, this is great, I just probably won't even touch the top row. I would buy a Glove "50".

Too funny. As soon as they offer a Glove58, I'm in.

After you get used to this keyboard, how easily can you go back to regular keyboards when you need to?

I prefer the Function keys to be on the keyboard as I use them a lot as a programmer.

It's funny how every videos I watch about ergonomic keyboards will at some point refer to Ben Vallack, often right away, here 1min20 and his channel shows up haha I'll be honest I've fallen way down in this rabbit hole because of (thanks to ?) him, and I continue to explore stuff to this day, it's been years probably.

An excellent review! I'm looking to buy either Glove80 or Kinesis Advantage 360. Functionality wise, Glove80 seems to be the winner. But the $400 price tag is hard to swallow for something that is made in China, whereas $460 Advantage 360 is made in the USA. I'm not doubting the quality of Glove80 as China has shown it can make top quality goods. MoErgo did not invest any money in industrial design. Glove80 looks an early prototype with homemade styling. Glove80 has the potential to be a big success if MoErgo passes the manufacturing cost to the consumers and hire an industrial designer.

It’s been days that I’m lurking on this keyboard. I think that my moonlander will soon be unemployed 😂

I can't see the blank keycaps anywhere on their website. Any ideas?

You mention that you can't imagine having keycaps with legends because of your layout. But wouldn't you just put the letters where they go? People use alternate layouts all the time with legends on them. However, I feel you on how it looks.... Definitely looks clean and appealing with no legends

I got excited thinking this might be an under $200 alternative to other expensive high end options like the Advantage Pro. I thought the low key profile was a great feature. Then I saw the price. Sigh.

Seems like it is really the best option for split keyboard. The price, though... Oh well, just need to rest often till I actually can afford it... lol

Can u try the voyager?

I have used blue switches in office environments, no one complained about it, not even with a side eye. The key thing to do is not to do the ancient and archaic art of taking notes in a meeting with a keyboard when you can always record it & take notes with a phone. Obviously, if the manger whines then you show your notes & to avoid the whining you just say you are taking notes in your phone note taking app.

All keypresses are balistic movements(aka when you tell your hand to do it there is no going back, you can only tell if you failed or succeeded after you already told your hard to do the keypress) Then given a keyboard where your fingertips are hovering when in homerow. Given these two things keytravel is actually just useless latency. Making a touchscreen be the keys is actually more optimal. That way latency is reduced. Since your hands wouldnt touch the touchscreen when neutral and since everything is balistic anyways the "feedback" a normal key would give doesnt actually do anything other than help you learn where the keys are. After you learn where the keys are the feedback is useless. Similiar thing applies to keylables. Lables help you learn what the keys do. But after you learn what they do the lables are useless. Same thing that applies to lables applies to all keyboard "feedback".

My friend, think about changing the preview

Can i buy it in Europe shop?

Listening to him explain tenting and it wasn't what i thought

Oh god that really has 5 times all the keys you'd ever need. Must be good for strategy games

That would be my complaint with this keyboard, they should have a 58 or 48 version of it. And of course the price

I think it is a great keyboard, but in my opinion the thumb cluster is overrated. I have a Redox keyboard and I use only 3 of the 5 thumb keys. I also would like to have a smaller keyboard with less than 40 keys. I mainly use the 30 main keys plus the 6 thumb keys. The surrounding keys are only convenience. I would definitely eliminate the F key row

The bluetooth is not great. I had to reset bluetooth everytime and it would still take a longtime to connect

why they ain't do normal blue instead of that weird white switch

When it comes to the non-issue of the build quality concerns, a lot of people love to use the sound of the board as their claim, because it doesn't sound 'premium' to them, mostly due to materials and construction, and lack of additives like sound dampening. The switches probably also have a lot to do with this, Chocs are an entirely different creature compared to what the market has done with MX style switches, considering how good a lot of modern switches sound and feel. A lot of people conflate and confuse actual build quality with sensory aspects of a product. One of my main complaints is the overall design. They're just focusing so much on the keywell aspect that it continues on into the lower casing, they're potentially sacrificing more features for aesthetics that you don't even see other than when you pick it up; unfortunately a lot of these keywell boards are going to fall into the form over function design philosophy. I'd rather see this space filled with extra battery, which LED users will appreciate, or fill this area with a USB hub for additional peripherals, personally I'd rather have my mouse wireless dongle and my audio DAC at the keyboard as it keeps things better bundled together, plus utilizing generic hubs after the BT connection vastly streamlines this kind of setup when changing devices and especially on Android setups where multiple wired devices can still be a hassle to manage. This space can also be better utilized to enhance the feel, such as gasketing and dampening, which will be at the top of complaints this thing will receive, I also feel like a better chassis is also an opportunity to provide a better tenting mechanism as leveling screws can be finicky especially without a locking mechanism; another thing I want to see is at least adjustability within the thumb clusters, if not fully modularize the thumb clusters to allow for other inputs, as the split ergo crowd also likes their trackballs, and more recently trackpads, under their thumbs. Chocs are also hot swappable, there's sockets for them, there's really no reason for these boards to not have swappable switches; and by 2023 standards, lack of such is an absolute sin in the keyboard market, it's not even a premium feature anymore. There's definitely a lot of room for improvements for both the Glove80 and keywell style boards in general.

im just going to wait tell these are much more affordable

The Glove80 is SO close to perfect for me. The Dactyl Manuform (split, curved, ortholinear, ~65-75% layout) is the perfect form of a keyboard for me, but the feel and sound is just as important, and the Glove80 is WAY too thin. I know the memes about keyboard enthusiasts and their obsession with thock, but I love that foamy, thoccy sound, and spending around $400 for a keyboard I don't like the look, feel, or sound of just isn't worth it. If they made an aluminum board and didn't make the switches so proprietary, I'd consider it, but in a world where custom board enthusiasts are growing rapidly, this company is oddly anti-customization.