As a Rome: Total War fan, I will heartily recommend that you check a mod for the game called The Fourth Age: Dominion of Men. It is the final release of a modification that is fully based in The New Shadow. In it, with lore always in mind and trying to keep as true as possible to Tolkien´s vision, the creators personify Herumor, develop the cult as both a political and religious entity, and try to forecast what would have happened from Aragorn´s death until the the year 350 of the Fourth Age. It is at that moment that the player finally is allowed to participate in the game.

I'm all for it! Any new Tolkien content is exciting. There are so many open ends and potential for more content in the Tolkien universe. Still I would prefer more detailed stories from the First or Second ages if I had to choose

It’s hard to say no to more Tolkien content.

if someone writes the dagor dagorath writes anywhere close to tolkien then why not because tolkien didn't write it i wish he had

As much as I long to hear more, at the same time, his having left this unfinished allows there to be a "more" to long for. I think, in the whole, I"m glad he didn't complete it. He had good, sound, reasons and we ourselves can well imagine potential outcomes and continuations with the threads he did begin.

Exactly

Yeah he says things like he discovered or he ponders about what happened to the Ent Wives, he speaks about it like he's an observer, which makes me able to imagine that it really exists somewhere

Tolkien's writing isn't artifical history, it's artifical mythology.

@@Apfelmelonenmann conceptually they are the same thing

Some use magic to tell a good story and some tell good stories about a magical world

I think not. As everyone knows,Tolkien was a true Catholic and the doctrine of this religion is intimately embedded in all of his work. And this doctrine says that evil needs to be fought and defeated. And not just supported or tolerated for mere convenience.

Absolutely not.

That would be smarter than mere religious doctrine, but you can’t have everything I guess.

The original commenter is correct. Look into the “circle of light” that was a large inspiration for Tolkien’s perspective on fighting evil

What is so bad with evil anyway. Typically its more epic and badass. Because of what Morgoth did. He made the middle-earth more intresting place as whole, when without Melkor influence on arda. The world would be booring place with no conflict, when its just booring peace forever.

Hollywood is profit orientated, that’s why it doesn’t practice restraint, as long as there is money for a sequel, then a sequel it is

Yass!! Everything doesn’t need a sequence or reboot!

Tolkien wrote as a hobby as he had a job as a professor. Hollywood is a business.

I think Hollywood is restrained at the same time. They’re restrained to sequels remakes and super hero movies. Lol

@@dacronic1646 They exist to make money. So anything that made money in the past is a selling point.

I was thinking of this exact same thing after watching this video

What bad with sad ending. It makes it more engaging realzing through the story why this person ended up like that. Happy stories with nice ending with peace are just focking booring, when there are thousands of them, so I dont really mind sad or devastating ending, when it can also tell through the story why this person ended up like this.

@@jout738 True - but Gaiman wasn't presenting Bette's philosophy as right. She's a naive character who doesn't want to deal with pain, but Gaiman makes it very clear that pain and death are natural parts of life. Tolkien felt the same. I only quoted the line about Bette because I think "Well, I'm back" at the end of The Return of the King was the perfect place to end LotR. I think he was right to stop work on The Return of the Shadow.

@@jout738 It's not about why sad endings are bad. It's that all things end, and the final end is death, destruction, decay, losing what was once there. To have a happy ending means cutting the story off at the right moment, not the last moment when the story runs out and leaves only rot.

Just like movie franchises that lose their touch, drifting far away from their roots of form if more movies kept being made by abusing it as a trend. Sequels tend to forget what made the concepts special in the first place. For example, Star Wars, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, MCU, and Jurassic Park.

After death.

🤝

@@weirdgilly8727it wasn’t a trilogy it was one book

@@harlengreen8981 huh? it has been punlished in one book, but lotr is a trilogy. unless u mean the sequel?

@@roblox_bedwars_content it was never intended to be a trilogy that was what the publishers decided

ye, and the authorwrote it as a trilogy, and decided it should be a trilogy. without the author, there is no lotr, so ima just call it a trilogy@@harlengreen8981

The sequel isn't canon, period! ;)

The canon star wars after ROTJ is Heir to the empire. No discussion.

Not to mention how Palpatine returning makes Anakin's sacrifice basically meaningless.

I didnt like how they handled the original characters. Luke a coward? Han a deadbeat dad?

The story described here seems more akin to the thrawn novels from the star wars legends, the empire and Republic have swapped roles and its the "empire" as a small insurgent force vs the larger, un organised new Republic, great way to flip the story. Shame the new star wars films didn't at least follow that part of the thrawn books, or understand luke skywalker but thats a whole other conversation.

Funny enough, I'm not English and after I finished reading his books, especially The Silmarillion, I felt like what he wrote was part of my heritage too. I hope he knew what he wrote was more than a mythical history of England.

@@saelind73 it is everywhere in the West. He predicted the future and it depressed him, hence no sequel.

Not only what we are doing to earth but much more. Like men losing their testosterone, more men becoming sterile etc. Big signs of comfort and degeneracy

@@FragbiteOeXistenz damn youre right tho

Amen you're so right.

Was the 1st or 2nd age forgotten? No. This would have great

Well on the other hand imagine a thriller featuring the lost kings of the Avari elves Morwe and Nurwe having lived on into the third age and with the addition king Thranduil not being a companion of Cirdan on the last ship. Awesome villains + good real fear (without jumpscares) + massive plot twists + awesome surrogates + unparalleled endings.

PLUS THE BLUE WIZARDS

Lotr is already a sequel to the Silmarillion.

Yeah a "sequel" would be great if it were solely about human concerns, "magic" moving forward doesn't fit well to the overarching narrative. Sauron was really just the last vestige of Valar interference, and it's clear that a sequel would have to be a sorta dry human story.

A short movie? This could be a trilogy with the last movie split into 2 parts a la Hunger Games style. Milk the money.

Or a Novella

If it should end on the high note, then I feel like Tolkien's rejection to write it was not because it would make the ending depressing, but because he felt that he would not have time to create an uplifting sequel that would take place after the depressing sequel.

I, unlike most Middle Earth fans, completely disagree with the idea that the story and history of evil in Middle Earth would not have made for a very interesting continuation (I am saying this after having heard what the video said so please pay attention). Christopher or any other Tolkien would have done well had they wanted to keep writing more on Middle Earth and we would have loved it if, they had visions and ideas of how amazing it could have been done. I know how it could have been done, but it's obvious Tolkien didn't want to think deeper on the possibilities and the wonderful dynamics and paths that were open to more Middle Earth life, color, adventure and horror. I do hate seeing how everyone MUST follow along and never think outside that narrow tunnel. You all give up so easily. The Silmarillion, TLOTR, The Hobbit and the rest of Tolkien's fantasy writings are my favorite readings, btw.

I would have liked to have read the new shadow. It would have been akin to the Scourging of the Shire on steroids with a little bit of game of thrones mixed in. The reason Tolkien created the Lord of the Rings was to create a new mythology for England. This story would effectively serve as a bridge between middle earth and real earth. It is the part where high fantasy turns into low fantasy and then merges with known history. I could see tie ins with the Mabinogion tales and Arthurian legend. Narsil could be Excalibur. Maybe there would be a great cataclysm that would rend apart middle earth and reshape the land to look like Europe similar to what happened to Berriland at the end of the first age. Gondor would be drowned under the English channel and north sea.

Not the greatest author really but he created his own language and used some linguistic gimmiks which may be appreciated by some but all in all a decent fantasy author.

No doubt a great story could have been written in this setting. However, the point as I understand it is that having this story set in Middle Earth would not have added additional value.

@@paulgoogol2652 "Decent fantasy author" Okay, mate.

It would have been easy to write such a book poorly, but that doesn't mean the attempt shouldn't be made. Perhaps it wasn't time to tell that particular story just yet. Perhaps the time will come.

@@crowonthepowerlines , My point wasn't that the book would have been poorly done in itself, but that it would have been a different kind of book, even if done well. The shift would have detracted from what had already been written even if the newer book was well-written for what it was.

@Sergei Boyakhchyan yes, refreshing!!

I, unlike most Middle Earth fans, completely disagree with the idea that the story and history of evil in Middle Earth would not have made for a very interesting continuation (I am saying this after having heard what the video said so please pay attention). Christopher or any other Tolkien would have done well had they wanted to keep writing more on Middle Earth and we would have loved it if, they had visions and ideas of how amazing it could have been done. I know how it could have been done, but it's obvious Tolkien didn't want to think deeper on the possibilities and the wonderful dynamics and paths that were open to more Middle Earth life, color, adventure and horror. I do hate seeing how everyone MUST follow along and never think outside that narrow tunnel. You all give up so easily. The Silmarillion, TLOTR, The Hobbit and the rest of Tolkien's fantasy writings are my favorite readings, btw.

You have just described exactly what the "Alien" franchise ruined. For decades there were countless message boards and fans who came together to theorize on the unexplained lore: the jockeys, where the aliens came from, etc. etc. But the making of Prometheus and the sequels butchered the mystique. Suddenly and forever more, the conversation was dead. There was no room left for speculation and theory crafting. Be glad some things were left open to your imagination. It's a blessing

That would have been interesting, and would have continued Tolkien's pattern of greater things being replaced by somewhat lesser (Morgoth > Sauron > Blue Wizards). The danger is that those who can stand on par with the Blue Wizards have left Middle Earth. I can see a couple of paths involving the Blue Wizards: 1) Fallen as best friends, they function as one. "Herumor" is perceived as one Black Lord, but is actually two, and can therefore appear in distant places when expected in another. 2) A tragedy of separation: One is fallen, twisted of Sauron. The other remains true to the Valar, and must lead the fight against his best friend.

My problem is that with LOTR you practically removed all magic, and it was essential to that point, so yes, Blue Wizards could be used. However I do not feel it would be enough. There are no golems, no dragons, no orcs, ents, or elves, plus some small number of dwarfs... Goblins?! You still have vast infrastructure built by dwarfs and elves, maybe that could be used. So it would be most logical to start evil with human greed, but also in same time roll over whole reality of those passed 100 years since Aragorn died. Maybe human finding some elves literature and gaining advantage over others... That would actually be really corny way of extending legacy.

​@@GranDaddo Many of the things you listed there are still present in this time period. All of these races and creatures didn't vanish and many of them went on to flourish in some way.

@@Jnaathra I thought Smaug was the last one, that fleed after defeat, but did not survive long after, that all of Elves left to Valinor, and ones that remained slowly decline. Not many dwarfs left after battle of five armies... So I thought thats it.

@@GranDaddo Smaug was the last of the great dragons, lesser kin survived after the war of the ring. The Dwarven race has all sorts of cool things that happen after the War of the Ring. They help rebuild cities in Gondor and the fortress of Hornburg. The Glittering Caves become a newly established realm for them. The Lonely Mountain kingdom prospers. Durin VII (the Last), retakes Moria and brought Khazad-dûm back to its original splendor, and the Longbeards lived there till the "world grew old and the days of Durin's race ended." You also mention Ents, but I don't know of any writings that state they departed or ceased to be. I know they are gifted Nan Curunír by King Elessar in gratitude for their aid and that they established a new forest there called Watchwood. The list goes on!

I've convinced myself that writing was therapy for Tolkien, years before such therapy become common in self-help groups.

@@TheDanEdwards Hence *The Inklings* ?

I would be careful to link Tolkien's writing to his war experiences. Tolkien hated allegories like that, because he deemed them to be pretentious and (above all) condescending. In his foreword to LOTR he vehemently denies that war guided his writing hand.

@@MightyJabroni I've always questioned that a little. I respect what he said of himself but none of us can truly say 100% with certainty that we are never guided by past experiences.

@@MightyJabroni He may have said he hated allegories, and others have also said LoTR is not allegorical, but it is clearly loaded with allegory.

"most authors and writers are more concerned with making bank and catering to whatever the current fad is, than even telling a good story." You can't blame writers for wanting to make a decent living.

@@admiralfrancis8424 you can blame them for being hacks

@@Jonathan-gj1rlI would place a higher emphasis on blaming the market for encouraging hacks.

Nice way to say it ❤

​@admiralfrancis8424 they don't want a decent living. They want money. It's different. Do you believe that Tolkien or any other old writer, were poor poor or rich? Probably the most of the money was earner by his family after him.

but there is nothing epic,no great evil just men doing plots... it would be a game of thrones...and i think that is no place for that in tolken's world.

@@ArlindoBuriti not everything has to be over-the-top epic. tolkien's world can contain all kinds of plots that would fit very well.

​​@@ArlindoBuritiThere would still be room for epicness... Apart from Gondor and King Aragorn's newly-revitalised Arnor - which would be fascinating to explore in itself - there were many distinct cultures of Men in Middle-Earth which would be fascinating to explore like the Dúnedain Rangers up north in Eriador and Rhôvanion, the Haradrim from the deserts and jungles of Harad, the reclusive Druedain, the men of Dol Amroth, the men of Khand, the men of Umbar (now liberated from the corsairs who had ruled since shortly after the fall of Númenor IIRC), Easterlings from Rhûn and further East, and the men of Breeland. So there would be a lot of room for riveting intrigues, alliances and undoubtedly further conflicts as new borders are delineated, new realms established and long-forsaken regions repopulated. Though unfortunately it seems that Tolkien wasn't too fond of political intriguesm I believe he specifically mentioned them as a reason to abandon the inchoate sequel 😅 Plus several Elven kingdoms remained in Middle-Earth for quite some time into the Fourth Age, such as Lothlórien, Dorwinion, the Grey Havens, and Kirkwood/Greenwood. Plus there's the Dwarves at the Iron Hills, the Grey Mountains, Erebor and the reborn Khazad-Dûm, among others. Then there's still the Ents (who I believe _did_ find the Entwives after all💙), the Eagles, the Beornings, the Hobbits of the Shire and Breeland, and of course the perennial perplexing enigma that is Tom Bombadil and his wife. There were/are still many potential candidates for a new antagonist(s), Tolkien never explicitly elaborated on the fate of Morgoth's myriad abominations, and the fact that a Balrog was still alive in Moria and Shelob even existed at all suggests to me that many Balrogs, Spiders and other "demons" reside in the vestigial halls and corridors of Morgoth's dungeons. I like to think that there's also still other Balrogs, Cave Trolls, and other malevolent disciples of Morgoth lurking amongst the buried and overgrown ruins of his cavernous, labyrinthine fortresses at Utumno and Angband, doubtlessly followed by a frenzied throng of goblins or orcs, who IMO still linger in substantial numbers in the "deep places or the world". So the primary antagonist needn't be restricted to a Man, there were lots of potential candidates - but I can see how defeating a "mere servant" of Morgoth might seem anti-climactic, as opposed to essentially his right-hand man in Sauron, but I dunno, I reckon there _would_ be other corrupted Maiar equal to or even more powerful than Sauron hiding in the deepest dungeons of Utumno and elsewhere, there could even potentially be more dragons out there (that's my headcanon anyway 😅). Oh, and there's the Blue wizards, they could have been an interesting foundation for a sequel. We NEED to know what happened to them! My headcanon is that they split up, with one going north east to the shores of the inland sea of Rhûn, while the other went south east towards the realms east of Mordor; they each protected an individual realm from Sauron's influence, as Gandalf did, but similarly to Gandalf they lacked the time and manpower to "cast their net" any wider, thus they decided to knuckle down and aid the defense of these realms were besieged by Sauron's armies. I like to think they remained in Middle-Earth for many generations (along with Radagast the Brown), but ultimately returned to the Undying Lands. It's a shame Tolkien never went ahead with it, but I can appreciate his rationale for discarding it. He wasn't really interested in creating a "franchise" per se, at least not in the modern sense of the term. And I suppose that with the Elves' continual departures to Aman, the prospect of writing more stories in this universe seemed saddening or unfulfilling to him, since it's clear from his letters and from the texts themselves that the Elves held a very special place in his heart, alongside Tom and Goldberry and Beren and Luthien who both represent Tolkien and his wife Edith (in fact I believe their gravestones are engraved with "Beren" and "Luthien", which is just beautiful, just absolutely beautiful). May they rest in eternal peace 🙏🏻💙 May💙

It was still during the era where other races roamed middle earth, but with increased scarcity. Although almost all the elves were gone, the dwarves actually recovered several of their old holdings and returned to a level of prominence they had not enjoyed in living memory (Gimli even founded a dwarven colony in the Glittering Caves behind the Hornburg and his people rebuilt the walls of Helm's Deep far stronger than ever). Tolkien also notes in some of these writings that the surviving orcs had gathered into their own societies and were relatively peaceful without the influence of sauron, but they faced discrimination and fear from the other races for many generations after.

@@jamesm1 Didn't he write that the Dwarves have difficulties to find wives and slowly die out?

@@ignatzmeyer1978 I think that was part of it yeah lol

Not all of the elves would have left. Numbers of them had been sailing West for millenia, which is why their numbers in Middle Earth were so diminished but there's no indication that they all suddenly left after the fall of Sauron.

@@Codex7777 IIRC Tolkien mentioned in a few places that the remaining elven communities, even Rivendale dwindled rapidly, and within century was basically empty.

I actually just released a vid on the Dagor Dagorath if you’re interested: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/hqGkdqStnKCXxas.html

Yep, good point.

Eru Amazonitar is already recreating the world

Cause you’re a goofy

​@@ChadSmith-nq8ty lol😂 true

Yea they need movie prequels that lead up to the hobbit or lord of the rings where its set in the 1st and 2nd ages and when Morgoth was tryna take over middle earth, it would probably take like 15 long movies to tell all those stories written by Tolkien.

There are prequels.

@@thewzy9225 YESS! amazon is going to give us a prequel, in sept, 2nd age of sun tv show!? wow.. I will be curious !!

@@TrueMithrandir It's not gonna be anything like LotR. It's gonna be a complete deconstruction of Tolkien. You're going to regret watching it.

@@Arcessitor It’ll be ok, Lotr can live outside of Tolkien. After all, it’s for us and our imaginations. Keep the stories living on and on.

the sad thing is its not impossible to continue on satisfyingly from a completed work (just look at the eu) disney just mostly did a really bad job

I agree, but as a world-view type of thing: I always like to remember that bad news always travel farther than the good ones. I love escapism, but there is no reason to lose hope in the real world. Sam's famous speech in Osgiliath applies to the real world as well and we don't even have immortal beings of pure evil. It's telling that Tolkien saw that coming as well - after evil was defeated in the great war, a long time of prosperity and peace came about, but everything good just seems normal when there is nothing bad to compare it to.

@@totaleNonale Good was defeated in the war and evil won, hence the world we live in now in the aftermath where evil can run amok unopposed.

@@folksurvival i dont know where you got that from. It's not what happened in Tolkien's world and it's certainly not what happened in the real one either

@@totaleNonale " i dont know where you got that from." It's just a tragic reality of history and the way historical events played out.

@@folksurvival hey melancholy can be just as beautiful as euphoria so I don't want to step on your journey there, but last time I checked the fascists lost the war and I might be stepping into a hornets nest here but the US got the bloody nose they were bound to get from meddling in other nations affairs. Everything since then can scarcely be called a war, since it is little more than international bullying. I would agree that the current state of society looks a bit grim, but of course your own problems always look bigger than those of others or the past.

Seriously man. No elves no party, I'm glad the Dwarves and Hobbits are still with Men otherwise Middle Earth would be 100% Earth.

@@yosafatvalentinus3440 It's not just dwarves and hobbits. I am sure, I ran into some Orcs in my day. And we all know that the internet is full of trolls.

@@MightyJabroni If you wanna see orcs, visit any pride day parade. They're called Drag Queens these days.

me too

Most people think as you do because they fail to grasp possibilities, vision and dynamics that still existed in Middle Earth. You don't disconnect Tolkien from the world of Middle Earth. A write creates the world it wrote about, but everything in it still lives on. There are far, far too many things Middle Earth can still provide in an amazing fantasy setting.

yep perhaps middle earth is out past and the sequel is us today

@@Green-cactus. it's not just a perhaps, Tolkien treated LotR as a translation of an ancient tome called the Red Book of Westmarch. It's meant to be a historical myth / legend

@@OtepRalloma The "Red Book of Westmarch" was written by Tolkien. It was Bilbo's journal or the one he was working on and then later Frodo writes in it too. Becca Tarnas talks about the red book of both Tolkien and Carl Jung in a video. This is the video ukposts.info/have/v-deo/pGagnGdrrZyZzX0.html

@@AwakeningWings I know Tolkien wrote it, because the Red Book IS the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings. He was pretending it's a real historical book that he translated, which I think is hella neat

@@OtepRalloma Oh okay, I had a feeling you already knew about it. But not everyone knows about this stuff. That is true, he did use it in that way. In a way it's like Tolkien's journal; a lot like Carl Jung's Red Book.

My exact thoughts!

I swear, if you're talking about vaccines that save lives... stop saying no sense

​@@francescomercanti7500 no I refer to Brexit and similar situations when nations that had it good for a long time decide to ruin their country because they grew bored and complacent to new dangerous politics because they took prosperity and peace for granted! these are usually people born into prosperity, wealth, and peace who never had to fight for any of it... they are usually the ones that will destroy everything that their fathers gave their life for

@@Berndr My bad, I was referring to the first comment though. Also didn't the youth vote help the Remain campaign? I'm pretty sure that young people votes overwhemingly to Remain. It's actually older who voted to leave. The reason I give is that young people have a more open mind to diversity and globalism whereas older generations are nostalgic of times of isolationism and soft(not Fascist) nationalism and patriotism

That reminds me of reading the Witcher series. The books are more 'realistic' than LOTR in the sense of politics and war but they really make you feel crappy reading them sometimes. Especially after reading actual accounts of Easter Europe during WWII.

"young people praising the Nazi or Communism in the modern day" They do, just under the new names of neo-liberalism and neo-conservatism.

@@tominiowa2513 I don’t think Neo Liberalism or “New Liberalism” praises communism since they strongly support free markets. People supporting communism nowadays are mostly part of the Democratic Socialist of America or simply a bunch of delusional tankies blind to the atrocities caused by communism

@@darthxandrum2986 Neo-Liberalism is letting banks and corporations run roughshod over everything in cooperation with government - similar to fascism. The founders of Neo-Conservatism were followers of Trotsky in their younger days, and have carried over much of the Bolshevik philosophy (the so-called communist countries practiced Bolshevism and not communism).

@@tominiowa2513 Tom in Iowa. I grew up in a communist country and left it over 13 years ago. Communism is real and it’s horrible. Trying to deny it and using the term “‘neoliberalism” deliberately to name things you don’t like is pretty much the point of Tolkien saying how the young generation forgets about the horrors of the past. Neo-liberalism is not the one letting banks and coorporations do whatever they want, it’s “coorporatism”. Fascism and Neo-Liberalism have nothing in common. But yeah. Nowadays left leaning kids just name anything they don’t like “fascism” or “neoliberalism”, which truly is an insult to those who really suffered from fascism or communism.

@@darthxandrum2986 You may have grown up in a country that labeled itself "communist", but its real political philosophy was that of the Bolshevism of Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Mao, etc., and not the workers controlling the means of production as Marx suggested. Similarly, neo-liberalism has nothing to do with traditional liberal values. The three great destructive "ism's" of the 20th Century were all funded in their infancy by the same set of City of London/Wall Street bankers. Ever hear of "divide and conquer"?

I'm suprised that so many people think it would be a bad idea for Tolkien to write the sequel. I'd love to read it and I'm sorry it was never written.

@@cq7t agreed! I understand totally that Lord of the Rings is a beautiful end to our knowing of Middle Earth, but I feel we are left with the impression that darkness can arise at anytime if evil is left unchecked and I always assumed that many more great wars occured after the War of the Ring anyway

Same I would so like to read it too.

I agree. In a way it would have made Middle Earth feel like perhaps it actually existed a few thousand years ago. That's silly, obviously, but to tell a post-fantasy story where it's mostly humans (no longer other fantastical creatures) dealing with the rise of evil mischief whenever things get too easy, well we can very much relate to that. It almost connects the fantasy to reality.

@@cecilcharlesofficial 100 percent agree! Oh well, I guess we'll have to stay wondering what could have been 💓

I have SO MANY thoughts on Star Wars. They had some great, compelling characters in Force Awakens that they totally squandered (esp Finn). They totally botched integrating the OT characters. Their integration served little purpose but to give their characters some of the most depressing ends possible. They would’ve been far better off having the OT characters be primary characters or setting the whole thing centuries later.

@@NerdoftheRings Imagine after all Aragorn went through, he abandons his kingdom to live in exile as a depressed hermit because of a mistake he made that contradicts his established character. This is what Luke is like in TLJ, and it's the most depressing outcome for this hopeful and optimistic character. He should never have considered trying to kill Ben Solo in his sleep, considering his arc in the OT is trying to bring Anakin back, no matter the cost. Let alone trying to kill Ben he should never have just abandoned the galaxy and his friends to suffer another Sith controlled fascist regime. Even though the sequel would be set years after Aragorn's death, it still runs the issue of making the ending of the LOTR meaningless almost, like what happened with the Star Wars OT, so it seems wise for Tolkien to stop after that realisation. Although I would have liked (good) Star Wars sequels.

@@NerdoftheRings Cobra Kai is a good example of how to continue the story of the original main characters decades later, and how to introduce new characters without ruining the original characters. It can be done, you just have to have respect for the original story and the original characters. You must continue their story forward from where it was left, not push it all back to the original starting point.

Yeah that was some subtle but powerful shade he threw at Disney... From my point of view the main problem wasn't Luke as a hermit, or even him trying to kill his own nephew for the stupidest reasons. No, they simply went for the quick buck and the only thing they do : a bloody reboot with almost no continuity. Written with their feet... 🤬

The worst crime was to declare the whole extended universe culture non-canon. Star Wars was apparently unquie in that way that it was the fans who drove the story outside the movie triolgy, and what was considered canon was mostly by popular vote.

Exactly or you end up no longer having the passion for the world or story because you focus in trying to make something as impressive yet fail to capture what you once did. This is the reason George RR Martin wrote himself into a corner and can't finish his work it's the same reason jk Rowling's newer stories make no sense in the timeline or lore of her own world. If you make a world so magical and intriguing that people love then make a lore for it whether that be in your story or a separate piece, you need to know when to end it. Once the passion goes, you've run out of ideas. If you can't read your own work and get excited at ideas and possibilities you have pushed it too far. It's far better to end it even with more ideas than to run out of ideas and be left reaching for something.

True artists know when to end their painting, their symphony, their story, or any other creation. They know when "less is more". Most of the "more" in creative pursuits today are driven purely by the prospect of making more money from them.

Yes, I agree. It does feel very relevant to today.

this especially nowadays

Go write it! I'd definitely be a reader

It is the most expensive TV show ever so I hope they are careful with it or else it will be the biggest disaster in the history of TV (I think they are also in a 5 season contract with the Tolkien estate so that is another reason for them not to mess it up).

The Amazon series is high-budget fan fiction, and therefore will not affect Tolkien's true legacy.

@@tominiowa2513 It also is a prequel and will not hurt the films as much

I think it was a wise choide to have the show take place in the Second Age, where there is a whole lot more room to make, shall we say, "smaller" stories. We're talking about a span of time almost 3500 years long, with good guys, bad guys, sorcerers, Elves, Dwarves, Men, Numenoreans, Orcs, etc. all existing and interacting in the same realm, and Tolkien himself only ever explored very little of it. I'm up for a well told tale. It may just be elevated fan fiction, but I'm up for exploring places that Tolkien only briefly described, like Lindon or Harad.

We all know there is going to be some useless ‘representation’ that won’t add anything to the overarching story. Before I get slaughtered for this, what I mean is when they add that stuff in for the sake of having it. Not to help drive the story or plot. Like Cowboy Bebop Netflix mode, Faye Valentine having a full on lesbian sex experience. For one I don’t remember her being lesbian in the original, and it literally didn’t add to the story.

No, that's still far, far off in the future.

Tolkien thought to middle earth as *our* earth and to his legendarium as a new mytology enriching English literature. He even mentioned in a letter that we currently live in the 7th age and that the fall of Sauron happened somewhere around 6000 BC. So no, the return of Melkor (i.e. the Apocalypse) is supposed to be in an indefinitly far future.

@@Sletty73 Which letter was that exactly in which Tolkien stated that? I'm curious.

Isn’t melkor already in everything? I feel like without the big bad to unite them all, humans and others would just turn on each other. He doesn’t need to be physically there for the world to be fucked up

@@indio4-215 it is mentioned in the recent book "nature of middle earth", which reports some previously unpublished comments by JRRT, including one comment mentioning that "we are now at approximately year 1970 of the seventh age". This topic has been also discussed in a recent video by a UKposts creator (check "the tolkien lore" channel).

then Men could've been the ones to defeat him this time, as Morgoth comes back to a world bereft of darkness, but also stuck in it's lack of conflict. Thus he'd initially find man easy to corrupt and turn against himself. But once good people rose up to face him, the fight would begin and soon, without Elves or maybe even the Valar, Men, and probably Dwarves too, would triumph over Morgoth and whatever nasties he summoned from the deep places of the world (perhaps another Balrog that had been slumbering like Durin's Bane but was never discovered?)

@@enderman_of_d00m24 You mean repeat the same thing again. Morgoth was taken out from arda in the end of first age, so im not sure can he even be able to return back.

@@jout738 in the canonically uncertain Dagor Dagorath, at the end of ages, the now separated from Arda - Valinor, the Valars and all the inhabitants of Valinor begins to decay with Ea after holding it back for so long, so much so that it made the guards of the gates to the timeless void "sleepeth" while Morgoth slowly regained his power from his essence in Arda and the decay of Ea. That's how he escaped the timeless void according to Dagor Dagorath.

@@enderman_of_d00m24 so, basically Dagor Dagorath? because Morgoth resurrecting evil entities, the final war, battles against the valars, and Morgoth's death by Turin Turambar (a man), fits your description, and it also mentions the return of the Elves and Dwarves to Arda

Morgoth was very much doomed to return one final time thanks in part that he became nigh inseparable from Arda, while the decay of the world will eventually bite the Valars sooner or later, but whether it'll be like Tolkien's uncertain Dagor Dagorath or different is uncertain

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Oh God no if what he did to star wars is anything to go by

The name of the world is Arda, middle earth is middle earth because it is on the middle. Kinda like south america and north america in the continental scale.

Also a hundred years could have changed a lot maybe the Kingdom of Man is now an Early Modern society, with their Late Medieval Period being the War of the Ring to make it different from the rest of the series and act as its own thing with plots, intregue and a Human Civil War. A Kingdom with Pike and Shot but still hints of the Medieval days like Orders would be interesting, as well as the dying Fantastical elements like Dwarves and even Orcs maybe even twist it a bit where some Orcs are grey or even good helping the heroes against the rebellion. (Basically like Warhammers Empire but its England in the Early Modern Period and not the Holy Roman Empire) But like Tolkine said its just not LOTR.

People, men especially feel the need to be constantly fighting something or someone. It gives those kinds of people a measure of purpose in an existence that would otherwise be quite leisurely. Perhaps it’s evolution, perhaps it’s by design or perhaps it’s by corruption. However I noticed the same thing Tolkien noticed. Men without demons of their own to slay will summon new ones over enjoying the fruits of their father’s victories. My theory is that it comes from a kind of shame or guilt. Questions like “why should I get to enjoy my life when my father’s, father’s bled and died for their’s?” or “what kind of man am I if I cannot be greater than those who came before me?” flood the mind. Soon enough the shame of peace becomes too much to bear.

@@My10thAccount It is very much possible. Funnily enough I never had any such thoughts or needs. I do not suffer from existencial crisis or need for adventure and I am a man. I think it has alot to do with the way my parents brought me up. They always explained to me the reality so I do not fall victim to temptations of bad things. I love my life where I do not have to fight anybody.

Thanks so much! ☺️

A Pike and Shot version of the Reunited Kingdom (with Pikemen, firearms and Gendarme like Gondorian Horsemen and Footment with Rohan updating their look to more of a Turco-Mongolo-Anglo-Saxon look and Arnor having the older Middle Earth look to contrast Godor and Rohan would be a sight.) set in an English Civil War Senario with some intervention of the dying Mythical elements being added in (maybe there is tension between the Dwarves, Arnor and the more developed Eastern Realms one thinking its far too industrial and losing its way by trying to become Isenguard and the other far too backwards clinging to the older ways of the long gone Elves, maybe tne Easterlings can intervine on the side of both the Kingdom and the Rebels doing some political manuvering, Orcs might be more grey in this world as Tolkien did want to make them less Evil) would be awesome but I can see why Tolkien canned it by page 13.

Stories enhanced or even equalled by sequels are exceedingly rare in print or film. I'm glad Tolkien opted not to pursue one.

@@Manakuuchiha and it has always been around, possibly more so today than ever. The elite families of the earth surely serve a dark lord.

@@springpondnc They serve three dark lords; greed, lack of empathy and hunger for power. And these have sub-cults, the best known recent one being the Cult of Trump.

@@adamdavis1648 *Antifa/BLM

@@Manakuuchiha People were showing interest in teachings of the hermetic order of the golden dawn, and Aleister Crowley.

Thanks so much! So glad you found the channel and are enjoying it!

I wish Tolkein introduced the concept of MultiVerse to Middle Earth.

@@gunner4ever924 i am sorry to say this, but multiverse concept will take the essence of Tolkien's world away. It belongs to superhero universes.

@@blobloblob1627 not really, the reason why he canned the sequel was less about the Universe was expanding but because the story was becoming way too dark for LOTR, imagine if LOTR got a sequel in the same vain as Warhammer or Game of Thrones where the High Fantasy element is dying out, people would at best just like it but its not what LOTR as a series is suppose to be.

None remember the evil that was done during the fights and struggle for freedom and prefer to push it under the rug.

@@yzfool6639 Instead you prefer the all the sacrifice to be forgotten and the graves of those who died to give you peace spit on.

Depends which country your elders are from and which side they fought on. Many people's grandparents or great grandparents fought hard on the side of evil to defeat the good, and their contribution helped their side to win. Unfortunately most were heavily brainwashed and pressured and so they didn't really know it at the time. Now we have all had to live in the wreckage for all these decades since.

I would say the prequels were needed. Even though they never captured the original feeling , they still answered lots of the questions from the original trilogy. Also had it not been for the prequels we would never have had the Clone wars.

@@valentinkambushev4968 Good point! The Clone wars were awesome.

I’ve certainly come to appreciate the prequels more over the years. While the first two are still pretty rough, Revenge of the Sith is really solid overall. The biggest thing the prequels have over the sequels is a cohesive story that makes sense. Character motivations and arcs are clear and the events connect well to the OT. Meanwhile, the sequels are a jumbled mess, where from movie to movie it’s blatantly obvious there wasn’t even the slightest plan. Characters change drastically between films, and the story is incredibly weak. To me, they are the definition of sequels that were not worth the trade off.

@@NerdoftheRings in my opinion prequels can never ruin the original trilogies. People can spit on the Hobbit all they want , but the truth is that even though it isn't a LOTR level it didn't ruin the original trilogy , if anything it made the people love it even more .

@@valentinkambushev4968 I play a Dwarf. I'm still mad at Peter Jackson for what he did with them 😉

Because everyone after generation is reminded of previous ones glory so they seek it as well to prove themselves and then you have those who hate it as well, that's how everything starts like today as well.

Because live IS conflict

I wonder if Haramor was a black Numenorian.