Haha I don’t think they’ve visited earth but I guess anything is possible!

😂😂 Government has to get some things right!

You just reversed psychology'd yourself.

The government NEVER said they were real. They said that the videos were genuine. In other words, it is a video, and the images are unidentified. That is ALL that they have EVER said. Others have blown this out of proportion.

No government has ever said aliens are real. Just because wacko people present stuff to congress and its on CSPAN and you saw some clips of it doesn't mean congress agreed with it or say aliens are real. Weirdo people present stuff to congress all the time but when it's about ufo the people who want aliens to be real share it a million times. In reality they are just charlatans the same as a snake oil salesman.

Yes, we have existed for a very short time and occupied a very tiny space.

I will point out that technology leaves behind indicators. Now the tech of bow and arrows leaves traces that are hard to find up close in person after a few thousand years, however in 5 thousand years much of what we've done today will be still visible from quite some distance, the moon at least, for anyone looking for it even if we all perish from a fast pandemic in the next 6 months. So the bad timing answer to the fermi paradox is also a rare civilizations answer and limits how much any two given civilizations could progress relative to their distance in time and space.. We'd have no way to pick out a bronze age civilization 30k light years away. But Alpha Centauri clearly hasn't got a Dyson sphere or city world around it or we'd have spotted it by now. Note if there is a civilization just behind us technologically 200 light years away we'll have no clear evidence for a while yet as light carrying the visual clues hasn't travel here yet.

@@kaseyboles30 fair enough. One of the other arguments I hear is that we haven’t found any verified artificial radio signals. The problem with this as ‘evidence’ is as a civilization, such as ours, moves more and more to digital versus analog, it become ‘quieter’. At a distance evidence will be hard to come by. But so may up close evidence as in your example. If we went extinct tomorrow there will be virtually no evidence that we existed in a short few thousand years. The Giza Pyramids, Mount Rushmore, a few other hardy structures, but almost nothing will be left.

Wouldn't be suprised if our moon was towed in at some point in the past.

@@marko-1987 that seems like a random thought. 😂 Moons aren’t unusual. Ours is because it’s very large compared to the other moons, but we know why that is.

Haha I don’t think that was this particular alien’s intent in the books, but that would be nicer!

I think it might be projection and insecurity in a way. It's not explicitly stated but it could be interpreted that way.

Or - "bugs are our primary dietary element" - "we view bugs are a superior species" - "we can fix bugs"

They are in fact bugs as revealed in later works. The phrase "You are bugs" was a projection on the part of the trisolarians.

Bugs aren't kind to each other. Especially the ones that use others to brood their eggs and feed their young. Nature even more oddly, seems to evolve towards exceptional cruelty.. Keeping victims alive as they are devoured internally or their nervous systems thrown into intense pain while hijacking their brains as the victims helplessly watch.. Like phorid flies and ants, or wasp larvae and arachnids.. Most likely the line of friendly vs hostile aliens will be decided if a species is R or K selected in reproduction. If they're crab like and reproduce in large numbers, it is likely a smart move to just hit the nukes.. Maybe not, but the odds aren't exactly great.

Uh oh. Haha.

IF there is a sufficiently advanced species with Earth as it's home for millions of years, they might have a EM field bubble around the solar system's theorized Oort Cloud, that prevents any signatures of life from being remotely detected on our planet, and EM radio signatures from being broadcast from escaping beyond it. Given it appears one type of Grays showed up after the first nuclear detention in 1945, must have rang the galactic dinner bell. That they are having to be covert, the locals aren't being so tolerant of out of town scum. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. We haven't witnessed overt occupation since the Sumarians and Annunaki showed up around 4500BC, flooded off the planet around 3200BC. The true Egyptians, with Isis and Osiris set up shop and built the pyramids at the end of the Younger Dryas, 9.4k BC. Their reign ended around 6.5k BC after full scale global wars with other little g gods. The weaponry used irradiated Mohanjadaro, sank Dwarka ect. The time of Demigods ended with a deluge at 3200BC. Burckle Crator, with chevrons in Madagascar dating to around 3200, and Kofels' Impact in Austria as recorded on a copied planarium tablet recorded the night sky of 31xxBC, with a new bright star's trajectory drawn out in ambiguous detail. Other additional evidence indicates this was the flood of Noah, a deluge rainout instead of titanic tsunamis during the Younger Dryas. That is when all indications of myth, religions and text describing actual gods living in temples requiring daily offerings of food, wine and anything else they desired ended. Has been a different set of rules of engagement since. Covert contact on a very limited scale since. It is in mainstream records that Earth gets impacted on average each 3k years, for over 200k years now, this last run of 5k years is the exception rather than the rule. Modern humans have existed well over 500k years, but yet only 200 years of any scientific and industrial advancement. That is another anomaly I hope we find out the explanation for in the next few years as well if Disclosure efforts are successful enough by then.

Our signals have potentially already reached 29 habitable exoplanets…whose to say that a fleet is not already en route.

Its not a dark forest. Its more ike living in a sponge. In dark forest, everyone can smell your poop and know where you are , unless you poop in the dark stream....

Since the start of the internet we're more like going more silent, by basically eliminating the use of broadcast radio.

If they can see life from that far away, we might be in trouble.

Depending on what they think life looks like.

There's something in the books that has a solution for that. No spoilers.

@@WordsinTime Biosignatures. We've already seen a few near signatures. Biosignatures are chemicals and compounds (detected via spectroscopy) That only have biological sources. We've spotted things in concentrations that seem highly unlikely without life, however one such spotting couldn't be confirmed at the highest level and the other is waiting for a crosscheck against another combination of compounds that could explain the reading and be non-biological.

We can even do that ourselves to an extent, can't we?

That would have been wise!

i would still respond with "k"

@@WordsinTime based on the assumption that all aliens think alike... like communists. unlikely as everyone has different thought patterns

Who dis

The prisoner's dilemma

That could be true!

Even Kochanski? Even Snake Plisken?

"Everybody! Is! Dead! Dave!"@@Patrick462

That makes 4 words

Not really. They could have left the planet.

Haha thanks, it was something that grabbed me and summarized my reaction to the theory.

Yes, I enjoyed the whole series but The Dark Forest is an all-time favourite!

​@@WordsinTimeAm going to read it now! Also because Lue Elizondo recommended it to me along with the first book in the series.

Haha it’s possible!

Naah. Signal is too weak and overwhelmed by natural signals

Aren't these four words?

​@@ze1977no, contractions count as one word.

Those signals would be very weak.

I’ll have to check it out!

Classic! I’m surprised that many haven’t seen or are aware of the twist at the end.

Well said, I will check this out also I have to mention that youre very aware of story formulas. I was not exposed to this formula but now I am.

That is a chilling episode. Who needs Hannibal Lecter........

I was looking through comments to see if anyone got here first. Can't believe "Words In Time" would "have to check it out"!

That’s definitely a possible explanation.

That would be an interesting explanation!

reminds me a bit of mass effect xD

@@DekkarJr Isaac Asimov's exploration of humanities ability to limit robots to only being good for humans via the three laws (and later the zeroth law) and the unintended consequences that could occur is an influence any story with synthetic intelligences will likely show.

Hahaha FACTS

Why? We are already looking for signatures of life, and aliens have had over 500 million years of a high oxygen world to find us. If they haven't done so by now, there's not much we could do to stop them.

After: oh shit we sent that human artefact spaceship out are we doomed

The cockroaches are watching us closely for their parents.

it was stopped til recently lol

The universe’s largest game of hide and seek haha

Yet a depressed woke women will respond... 😅

Cleanse or hide

Come. I will help you conquer our world.

Thank you.

That’s an interesting way to look at it!

To serve man, yes. 😂

Do we farm every resource? No, we avoid certain resources because we don't want to kill off the last of some salamander or bird or whatever. You're one of those types of people that just see humans as bad. Treason is a crime, dude. You're a bad human.

You made a big assumption that they would have to farm as well which is not true, in fact it is highly unlikely an evolved species would even need sustenance anywhere near the level humans do.

@@Byronic19134 what does need have to do with it? If they are technologically superior, their desires and whims are all that matters.

Interesting! I’ll have to do more research on Lovecraft.

@@WordsinTime Lovecraftian horror is the existential dread of being inconsequential to the universe, to the extent that our continuing existence is at the total mercy of beings that do not care about us.

@@spamfilter32Or even just by not being significant enough for them to take notice… like bugs!

@@spamfilter32 Yea i always thought it was centered in that weird dissonant feeling of dread and foreboding of the idea of beings existing that can drive you insane just by living in a village nearby their location. And that's the least of all lol. I really got into it because of Bloodbourne altho i was aware of Lovecraft before because Metallica reference his work in a number of songs, "The Thing That Should Not Be" in particular as an example has really dissonant minor chord structure that invokes a lot of that type of dreadful anxiety. A strange and unique flavor of fear. Interesting.

Awesome, I’m glad you’re enjoying it! Let me know whether book 3 melts your brain haha

I have read Blood Music, I’ll have to check out those books next!

I once met Greg Bear in the late 80’s and chatted with him for about an hour. He signed all my paperbacks including Eon and Blood Music. He also told me he’d signed over the movie rights to the latter and they weee going to use the same type of morphing CGI that they’d used in The Abyss for it. Man I would have loved to have seen that. He was an incredibly decent guy that was genuinely interested in chatting with a mullet haired apprentice boilermaker in greasy overalls that was also a massive science fiction nerd. RIP Greg. You were one of the greats…

@@planetdisco4821 That’s a great story! Glad to hear that about Greg!

Haha

@@WordsinTime Maybe Lucas was right? Who knows? Maybe Lucas is really an alien historian from such a galaxy? Ha.

I’m glad you found it as fascinating as I did, and that you’re enjoying the Chinese adaptation!

Awesome! I’ll look forward to your reactions to the rest of the series!

​@@WordsinTime ship slicing in this Three Body TV episode in UKposts: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/h5aop6-whal2xmg.html

Yes, it’s a proposed solution.

I appreciate the feedback Jack, I thought I’d try something a little different with this video so I’m glad you liked it!

Interesting point Mason! The series currently has a few adaptations so I think that will introduce the books to a wider audience.

😂 hopefully things will come together and the universe and parallel universes will agree for it to be on Netflix or something hopefully we can hope !! Think together we will !

I believe there is already a series on Netflicks, though I haven't seen it yet.

The little mainstream traction might have been caused by the general cynical, depressive and anti-human atittudes of the protagonists. Maybe it’s the communist China thing. There’s also the obligatory “wokiness” that comes with Netflix adaptations, it’s losing traction with mainstream audiences for a while.

@@JoseFelipedeSa ya there is some wokeness in the show but idk it didnt ruin it for me. The way they visualized the sophon technology was rly cool. What a terrifying technology. And it's all "plausible" based on theories so it feels like the power of it and the way it can be used across space time instantly is rly love hard science.

Thanks Dale! Yes, it’s a mind boggling idea to think about, with plenty of possible solutions. And Cixin Liu’s is one of the scariest!

Watch the Chinese eng subtitled series on youtube that covers the 1st book.

I’m glad it was helpful, I hope you enjoy!

I’m glad it was helpful! Welcome to the channel!

Haha I’ll take your word for it.

Maybe the San-Ti just want To Serve Man?

“There’s food all around you!”

Thanks for the recommendation Ed! I own the first book but haven’t read it yet. I’m glad you enjoyed series. I’m looking forward to it!

I think there’s a good chance that if there are multiple species of aliens there might be some common biological denominators.

Interestingly, feathers have only evolved once.

Nice! I’m glad you enjoyed The Redemption of Time as well Sandra!

I’m glad you liked them Bill, I thought the ideas were crazy!

I look forward to watching the show!

Cheers! It’s a scary theory haha

@@WordsinTime indeed, it really is if you stop to think about it. I recently reviewed James Blish "A case of conscience" that was dealing with alien contact and reconciling with faith. Somewhat less scary 😁😁😁

It’s super interesting/scary to imagine the capabilities of aliens. But these differences are what make for intriguing science fiction!

The physics of liquids and gases in this universe virtually ensures that all life will be solid. There is simply no way to contain energy in the form of a gas or liquid that would ever allow for the formation of even simple life, let alone complex life.

@@p5yc40naut yeah it needs to be able to move around and grasp objects in order to gather resources. Even a bacteria and a virus are solid objects that can move. It would have to have a reason to ahve developed something like that and the physics need to make sense as well. It's not going to have any kind of "super powers" like being able to change into a mist or something unless its an adaptation to an extreme environment. The trisolaran's dehydration ability is found in species on earth like Tardigrades which can survive in extreme heat and cold and even in the vacuum of space for around 5 days in stasis. The thing about science is it has to be justified and has to make sense given the elements and physics involved. Reminds me of the film on Netflix Spectre. It's about a city of people that are turned into an ethereal form later determined to be Bose- Einstein condensate, a fomr of matter that occurs between others extremely briefly.

Haha oh no, that’s not a fun dream!

Those are some interesting thoughts Michael! I believe this could be applicable to distant galaxies, but there are stars/planets in the Milky Way that could theoretically be more accessible. Interesting to think about!

@michaeldooley8744 According to current theory, the Local Group of galaxies is too closely bound to fly apart. In the distant future the Milky Way, Andromeda, the Magellanic Clouds, and all their satellite galaxies will merge while watching the rest of the universe recede into invisibility. Most visitors to Earth from the Local Group will see their homes actually get closer, though over a time scale of billions of years.

There were more stars visible in the past because in the past light pollution was inconsequential. The same number of stars are visible to the naked eye today as there were 10000 years ago as long as you go to a place with no light pollution. For the expansion of the universe to be a hard limit on how far away they could originate and still get back home while traveling at the speed of light, puts a hard limit of about 7 billion light years away. Many many galaxies away from us. If that is the case, Life in the Universe is truly rare indeed. That also means that when they got here, the earth didn't exist yet, and wouldn't for billions of years yet to come.

I’ve read The Forever War, I’ll have to check out Marsbound!

@@WordsinTime I've enjoyed everything I've read by Haldeman!

Reminds me of the show Colony. They literally have ships that come down and form massive walls around cities and in between the districts of them to control humanity. They weren't a "hostile race" either - but were at war with another species that had beaten them across the galaxy until they arrived at earth and decide to imprison it and force labor camps to mine in deadly conditions and also forces the humans to go along with it and help them fight or they both die - interesting premise.

Agreed!

Interesting question! Is it better to stay hidden or spread out? Hopefully we don’t find out the answer haha

We are the bugs. ​@@WordsinTime

We let animals live in nature, or in a zoo, maybe... we already are.

In the Dark Forest books, a colony of a species suddenly views the home world as an alien threat and tries to kill them.

Ants travel farther than any otehr species in relation to their size for food. And are the most successful creature on the planet in terms of biomass >:)

As long as you don’t mind the focus being on the ideas more so than the characters I think it is quite readable. The first book is only 400 pages if you want to give it a try.

@@WordsinTime good to know. Yeah I don't mind that at all 😉

Try listening to them on audible . The performance is really good 👍🏼

Haha true!

🤜 🤛

The ideas in this series were mind blowing. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did!

Because of the risk that we have a technological explosion in the future.

@@WordsinTime That would be reason to be suspicious of their intentions.

They may be uninterested in us as intellectual equals but they may find us amusing to watch. Like a nature documentary about primates or going to the zoo.

Cosmic horror!

Haha fair!

That’s cool, hopefully this helps inspire some ideas for your writing!

One idea might be using something like the Ferengi in your story - an alien race that goes around trading slightly higher technology to every planet the traders come across, to make money. As a result the various worlds get uplifted in technology to roughly the same level, but they have made the Ferengi very wealthy. For these traders, it is less of a 'First Contact' situation but more of a 'First Contract' situation.

Yes, there were some great payoffs! Death’s End is pretty heavy, but I think you’ll enjoy it!

Haha thanks Trudy! And yes, there might be some hope for us bugs!

Great points!

Lots of interesting points here! The Dark Forest theory is rather bleak so I would prefer this to be the case!

We live on a vast planet with plenty of resources to go around and yet we chose war and destruction for millennia. Liu points out the unique combination of distance, advanced technologies being the catalyst for the kill first ask questions later idea. The tri solarans weren’t the extreme case. They were a weak society much like ours. The case he made was for the societies at war that could manipulate the fundamental laws of nature and districted entire universes for their conquests.

What's special about the Trisolarians, is that due to their specific circumstances they had to try an invasion. Otherwise they could have just obliterated earth without any warning. Since human technology progressed faster than their own, they knew humans would finally overcome them. Liu also made a point about the universe being so desolate, because it is the remnant of all the destruction that happened before. So from your perspective the universe may seem big and rich of resources, but an advanced alien might look back and see all the damage that has been done due to threats that were countered too late. In a world where life is so fragile and the environment so hostile, the one that fires first will probably survive longer.

@@mariusg8824 The problem with the Dark Forest hypothesis is that it presupposes that the Universe is dark, and that hiding is possible. Neither of these assumptions are true. The forest is lit up the red-light district in Amsterdam, and hiding is impossible. Our planet has been broadcasting biosignatures for a couple of billion years, and any civilization within 100 light years has already seen our techno signatures. All without ever receiving a radio transmission from us. and the referse is also true. We are at most a decade from being able to see bio signatures from extra solar planets and maybe only that far from being able to find techno signatures as well. No one needs to actively communicate for everyone to see everyone else (or at least the possibility of everyone else). In space, hiding is impossible.

​@@tookie36There is an error in your assumptions. Humans didn't spring into life randomly distributed over the planet, we have spread from a common point of origin, bringing our conflicts with us wherever we went. War was rarely about resources, for most of human history there was more wilderness than cultivated area. Still is if you count the oceans. But humanity never went to war with bears or cats or owls or squids. Or bugs. While humanity has largely managed to isolate itself from the ecosystem that gave birth to it, we still share this space with everything else. The biodiversity in cities is higher than in the countryside. The collective biomass of snails is equal to the collective biomass of humanity. The collective biomass of all insects is higher than the collective biomass of humanity plus human agriculture and pets and farm animals. We are not at war with them and are not trying to colonise their ecological niches.

I love this theory Stephen! Definitely a more optimistic and less bleak interpretation.

We will either advance past capitalism, or it will prove to be a great filter. We better advance fast or we only have a handful of generations left.

I think much of this stems from a complete misunderstanding of what we inherit culturally vs what we inherit biologically. The current power structures are heavily invested in the idea that scarcity, specifically are fear of scarcity, and violent reactions to it, are genetic behavior that can’t be changed or only changed with incredible effort. I whole heartily reject the position that violence and fear of scarcity are genetic. I believe that is true under conditions of extreme stress. Remove that stress and most people very naturally want to work together and make life better for one another, vs kill each other to survive. We do not have anything like that in our world today. Our stress is manufactured (some combination of intentional and unintentional actions) and then justified and explained away by the current power structure in order for that power structure to itself survive. Simple put, we are being kept at a biological stress point that very often will lead to violence, not that that is the only place we can exist from. The violence is not genetic, stress is, and one of the effects of stress is violence. A reason this is not obvious is because even after you release the stress point, it will take time for the stress that has built up to release. If that is a human probably a couple years. For a society though it is probably a couple generations for the already built up stress to fully release in the system.

Yeah, that was super cool! And I think there are some similarities between Cixin and Clarke!

And things got worse from there.

@@TheOneWhoMightBe I'm addicted to ginger myself.

I’ll look it up!

@@WordsinTime worldwar- in the balance is book one

Those are some good points. I think the explanation is that they were afraid of us having a technological explosion. On a cosmic timescale we could potentially advance quickly, which is why they wanted to stop our scientific progression and tried to do so by threatening us.

@@WordsinTime Exactly...we were targeted. So, why have a dialogue at all when a much simpler solution of "block the sun until they all freeze to death" would do.

​@@TyMoore95503I agree- the show kinda makes it seem like the Sofons are only capable of "hacking" us- messing with our science and tricking us with illusions, but I can think of so many ways these interdimensional AI weapons can indirectly wipe us out easily. I think we are not supposed to know at this point, but the San Ti probably have a reason for this. They can already study us with the Sofons, and they don't seem very "emotional" to the point of wanting to keep us at pets- so idk what the reason would be, but I'm banking on there being a reason

Their first attempt was trying to be 'friendly' with us. The Sophons helped form and protect ETO, while stopping advanced science and providing 'miracles'. I'd see the Sophons setting up the ETO to slowly and steadily take over Earth so there would be human allies willing to welcome the San-Ti fleet when it arrived. Then the San-Ti learned about deception, and decided they could not live with liars. The "You are Bugs" occurred after that.

The only paradox is you claiming to have seen the show and yet still ask questions that were thoroughly answered.

I guess you might want to preemptively stop bugs from developing the technology to get into your house.

@@WordsinTime Ants have already had the means, and proven capable. I don't wage battles against all the nests outdoors near the house, only the colonies with interlopers that make it in. And the simplicity is they take the poison bait back to the nest themselves. So on the galactic scale... I could see another intelligent species being communicative at some point, but be wary of any of the "gifts" they offer.

"Bugs tend to be completely ignored.." Tell an entomologist that. People have a wide variety of reactions to bugs from fascination to disgust to apathy. Aliens would likely be the same.

​@@Strideo1An entomologist is someone who doesn't ignore bugs. That we have a word for that supports the point that bugs are usually ignored.

The Earth is the prize, mankind is the infestation. We are bugs...

It’s a possible explanation but it’s a scary one haha

That could be the case! Would be interesting to see if our civilization lives long enough to meet another!

@@WordsinTime I doubt it though. We are a very young species. And we tend to self destruct ourselves 🥲

This is called the great filter hypothesis. Humans are dead set on proving this true as make ourselves extinct with in a handful of generations from now.

@onisury... This is the soundest theory and you put it down in fewer words than I did. 👍

I think these are reasonable assumptions!

1. Not necessarily. Having a degree of rationality is a must, but not everything they do must be governed by strict logic. Take humans for example. Did the moon race happen because of some rational reason? Not really, it was a political competition with no real benefit to the competitors. An alien race would not have been able to comprehend why we tried so hard to stick a flag in our barren satellite, and likely neither would we be able to understand why aliens perform their space related stuff. 2. Also, not necessarily. Working together is a must, of course, but calling it empathy is a stretch. Ants do not empathize with other ants, yet they are capable of amazing feats of cooperation. 3. An engine capable of accelerating a craft to near light speed - an absolute necessity for interstellar travel - would also be able to vaporize the surface of any terrestrial world. So if you have this technology, there is very little you could fear from an inferior civilization. 4. That may be true, unless you consider the Kardashev Scale. Energy is an issue for tier 1 civilizations, but when you get to tier 2 and beyond the amount of energy you get becomes absolutely ludicrous. Accelerating to near light speed at the very least would be feasible and not terrible expensive. And besides, this doesn't explain the Fermi paradox, because the Fermi paradox doesn't question why aliens didn't visit us yet. It questions why we are unable to see them at all. Even if they stay within their star systems, we should still get transmissions and signals. But there is nothing.

@@SilverMontegiu 1-The moon race was entirely rational. It was an intentional pitting of the people of one nation against another to gain technological advantage and, even more importantly, political advantage. It was, quite honestly, the most Rational form of “warfare” human being ever get involved in. 2-And Ants are a poor analogy. Ant’s are Tropic. They do not create technology. Their behaviors are set in instinct and they cannot act creatively. Termites do not ‘plan a termite mound. It’s the emergent result of a handful of tropic behaviors of which the ants have no comprehension. I would argue that even if you wanted to posit a hive mind, you cannot have a self aware hive that does not exhibit empathy. E.g. even without self awareness, Ants cooperate with one another and act to preserve the queen and her eggs. A more self aware version of ants would have the same behaviors, and all the complex insights and rationales to support them philosophically. 3-Not true. Engines capable of accelerating to near light speed would most likely only achieve that speed thru very weak thrust, over LONG durations. Like an Ion engine. But the real problem is the amount of energy it would take to do so… it would exceed all the energy generated by mankind for the past 1,000 years. And what possible rational use could there be to ‘vaporize’ a habitable world’s surface? Rendering it barren? The one thing we can be certain of is that worlds like ours are exceedingly rare. Not just able to sustain life, but to remain habitable for a billion years. The vast majority of planets that might sustain life would be more like mars, perhaps able to support life, but only for a short while before the loss of a magnetic field and the stripping of its atmosphere by its own sun’s radiation. About the only reason an alien race might have to try and reach us that would justify the budget, would be their own survival, i.e. they need the habitable planet. In which case they would be unlikely to vaporize all life on the surface. And if they are capable of their own version of terraforming, then they would be far more likely to take on the far more plentiful uninhabited planets like Mars, rather than take the risk of warfare. 4- The Kardashev scale is make believe nonsense. Entirely untethered from reality by ASSUMING a limitless progression of technological advance. There is no reason whatsoever to believe such a thing is possible. Imagining technologies that may well be impossible is not a basis for sound argument. We may very well be near the limit of what we can accomplish, technologically. I.e. faster than light travel may be impossible. Actually deriving usable power from fusion on the planet may be impossible. Limitless energy is certainly impossible, but even an order of magnitude increase in available energy may be economically untenable for any civilization. The single most likely explanation for what appears to be a dearth of civilizations is that they are all bound to their own solar systems, and their civilizations are so far away, on average, and do not radiate in such levels that we can discern anything from plain noise. For example, Human civilization is NOT detectable from the nearest star. We certainly radiate a lot of radio noise… but our signals are spread across such a wide array of frequencies with so many different styles of encoding that attenuation, and the fact that frequencies become out of phase over long enough distances makes our signals indiscernible from just radio noise made by our sun. You literally have to know an exact frequency and the precise codec of that signal as well as have a very tight approximation of location to detect the signal from Voyager, which is being aimed right at us. It would take an extreme effort for another civilization to send us a signal we might be able to detect. And We, for example, have not sent such a signal to anyone else, so far. They could all be just like us… Listening, but not talking. So, thus far, the evidence does not suggest there are no other civilizations. It does suggest that there is no such thing as interstellar civilizations.

I used to want to meet aliens but I’m not sure it would end well for us haha

Carl Sagan’s book Contact deals with some similar ideas. It’s pretty good!

Interesting, that’s cool!

I don’t think they would need faster than light travel. They would just need generation ships that can travel between stars over thousands of years.

Or they have the technology to overcome linear travel.

Haha Murphy’s Law is universal

I don't think it's guaranteed but I think with millions of years it becomes a possibility.

Good points! I think the reason is the fear that they have a technological explosion and become more dangerous than bugs.

That’s a scary idea haha

Same!

I believe nothing was actually going to happen, but it was a threat in order to stop certain research.

I could see it as the Sophons being willing to kill someone who was developing experimental research. Imagine going through your life and whenever the tech is being worked on there is a floating timer ticking down that only you can see.

That’s a cool theory!

That’s possible!

Interesting! I’ll look it up.

Trippy!

Thats more or less Brian Cox the physicists theory altho his is more based on the fact that physics doesnt allow for fast enough or safe enough space travel for any species to get out of their own solar system tbh. think how long it took voyager 1 and 2 to get to the Oort cloud. The fastest thing weve ever built is the Space Shuttle, 24,000 miles an hour top speed and that's nothing. And 2 of 4 of the total fleet exploded in front of the world on TV. Acceleration isnt the only problem - deceleration... how? If you hit ONE pebble floaitng out there it will rip thru the ship and destroy it. There's already enough space junk surronding our own planet right now to make just getting past the first few hundred miles past our atmosphere difficult. One loose screw from any of the 14,000 sattelites orbitting our planet comes loose and curves around the earth - it hits a space craft it's over it doesn't matter what it's made out of. IMO light speed travel is impossible for biological species to survive even if it was possible. you cant convert matter into it. Now you could eventually perhaps be able to propel a craft close to or at or even past the speed of light by having some method of constantly increasing it's acceleration like the pulse propelsion method of blowing up nukes behind the craft to fire it forward. Still it would take forever. The scale of it all and the theoretical tech it would require are thousands of years in the future - MAYBE.

@@DekkarJr 🤩🤩🤩🤩 wow thanks for the input. Was a treat to read and think about!

@@NoIDontActuallyLiveInSeattle ty

I’m glad you enjoyed!

Haha perhaps but we know a bit more about these particular aliens!

Haha

Haha that would be something.

Interesting! Those aren’t my personal assumptions, they are the assumptions laid out in the book. But I like your different perspective!

I would like to think that would be the case, but there may be hostile aliens. The meaning behind the message gets expanded upon in the sequel books.

Haha

Haha perhaps!

Interesting perspective!

I think it is more likely we encounter machine intelligence first as it will be able to travel farther.

"... More than Meets The Eye 🎶"

Yes, that was great!

These are good points. Perhaps as either our technology develops or alien technology develops we will be in the same place at the same time.

That is a part of the story.

@@WordsinTime Thanks for the reply. I see what you are saying. But my point is that we don't talk to bugs. But the aliens chose to talk to us before trying to eliminate us. This is indicative that they call us bugs the same way racists call hated races cockroaches, termites and parasites and what not. My point is that the Trisolarans see more of themselves in us than they would like to admit and we are like them more than we would like to admit. These words don't only solve the Fermi Paradox in the novel. They establish the humanity of the aliens. The worst part of humanity, but humanity. Good video. Concise and to the point.

Lots of great points!

The aliens in the books have their own reasons for sending that particular message but chose to focus on the concepts rather than specific plot points as I didn’t want to spoil what happens next.

That’s not the only message, we know they are hostile. It’s explained further in the books.

That could be the case!

The transition from prokaryotic to eukaryotic life could be the Great Filter for all we know.

That is possible. Limited resources might force them to be aggressive, but I’d like to think they are not.

Interesting points!

I thought the start of the book was great!

This could be true!

Hahaha got ‘em!

I think it's projection:D

According to the dark forest theory we shouldn’t answer haha

Perhaps so!

The SETI project depends on some species having the capacity to modulate a star, or some signal generator as powerful as a star. And even the radiation of the smallest stars gets lost in the interstellar dust and noise.

@@kirkdarling4120 radio waves travel at the speed of light. It's literally part of the light spectrum. You don't need a freakin star. The radio waves we have sent out, will travel forever. In all directions.

@@josephoday9995 That part where I said: "... even the radiation of the smallest stars gets lost in the interstellar dust and noise."

@@kirkdarling4120 if that's the fuckin case, we would not see a single star in the sky.

I wanted to focus on the concepts rather than the plot as to avoid more spoilers, but yes, scary indeed.