She claimed Google would not hand over to the American government information the company has about its users. She should give Snowden a call.

There's a difference between the USA seeing China as a threat, and Chine threatening the USA. If you own a business, and someone comes along to compete with you, and it turns out they are better at business than you, they are, perforce, a threat. That doesn't mean they are threatening you, it just means they are carrying on their business, and doing it better that you. That is the situation of China and the USA. China has taken over a large part of the world's manufacturing simply because they do it better and cheaper than others, especially the USA. The USA's answer to China's "threat" hasn't been to try lift their economy, it has been to sanction China, threaten other countries that trade with China, restrict trading with China, attempt to restrict other countries trade with China, and continue to use military threats to keep their empire in line. That strategy is bound to fail. When the USA talks about the "world order", what they mean is the USA's pre-eminnet position in a world order they control. That too is bound to fail.

China China China. Why can't US focus on enpower itself.

Historically, China has been a major power in Asia for a few millennia. Despite intermittent setbacks, it has consistently rebounded. The present era is no different. Irrespective of whether it's under the leadership of Xi Jinping, the Communist Party, or another entity, China's drive to regain its prominence is inevitable. It’s short sighted to blame China refusal to submission on a person or its system. For the U.S., it would be more strategic to anticipate peaceful coexistence with China than to opt for confrontation. Engaging in costly wars with China, even with a U.S. victory, could paradoxically wounded its global standing. Believing that China has no aspirations akin to the Monroe Doctrine, or presuming that it could be deterred from such ambitions as its Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) outpaces the U.S., is a misjudgment. The emergence of a multipolar world is a foreseeable reality. Yet, in the current political milieu, such forward or divergent thinking often faces unwarranted brushed aside rejections. You may wonder if there are adults in the Hoover Institution.

The US should abandon its mentality of exceptinesm and live with China with mutual repect and co-existence just as China did in its past glorious era over many centuries before the westerm powers dominated the world for about 200 years. The humanity needs more cooperation instead of confrontation or conflict since there is only one earth to live on and it is big enough for all poeple to live in peace.

It is your interpretation not what xi jinping says

One of the two or three best shows that appears on youtube. Absolutely first class, and should have millions of views.

what a last name

Love this show!

As much as I hate what Academia has become, Hoover Institution does a fantastic job at allowing open and honest conversation to persist. For that, I have much respect and appreciation.

Significant overstatement to call Soviet invasion of Afghanistan an embarrassment for the United States.

Thank you! ❤

Interesting, this is perhaps one of the very few times I've seen a guest on the show with whom I mostly disagree. Her assertion that came across as describing the Chinese as "not really being communist" is, in part, the thinking that got us into the situation we're in today. Her description of what the Biden administration is doing that is helping us tackle these problems and the storm, in my opinion, is hurting us more than helping. I could point out more, but I will refrain from writing an essay in the comments section.

All Empires decline- the US is no different.

Another great conversation. Hat off to Elizabeth Economy for dodging some uncomfortable questions and refocusing her responses accordingly. Thank you

Why ..should only US solely be entitled to set the World international rule based order when it is less than 3 % of the worlds population..?

Great interview. The polarization, so-called, is the locus of great cultural and political energy, and will be our greatest asset if only we can get the different sides of the argument to deeply engage each other. This will happen bottom-up: we can each do this in our own lives. The ideological rival is a resource like no other, relentlessly pointing out the flaws in arguments, the overlooked, the bad assumptions; who wishes to can learn much this way. To renew our liberal democracy, we must practice liberalism and democracy in our own lives: if our culture is imbued with it, our government will be, too. Talk with, befriend, if possible live amongst, those you disagree with. Love them more than you may despise their views. Be humble. You can learn from anyone.

This woman knows nothing about China! 1. China was never the centre of the world and never sought to be. It never attempted to create an overseas empire and China never fought colonialist wars in other continents like the UK, US, France, Germany, etc did. China goes to Africa and builds roads, railways, bridges, ports, and dams, etc. The Europeans went before them and sent millions of the African people into slavery. 2. She talks about Chinese setting up military bases oversea. Just for the record, China has 1 military base and the US has about 800!

So at 5.30 ,interwier says China watches all internet searches but in USA he has not that problem ... 😅

Seems Ms Elizabeth Economy has conveniently forgotten about the US "One China Policy" which states Taiwan is part of China.

But Communism and Marxism is always totalitarian, the idea of Amish style communism does not exist outside small communities.

This interview typifies everything wrong with elite discussion in the United States (and in Europe for that matter). It consists of hearing what wants to hear and regurgitating it in a glorified echo chamber. There is no attempt to consider arguments or outcomes that are different to the wish fulfilling dreams of maintaining American supremacy at all costs. For example, China's economic problems pale into insignficance with America and Europe's. Similarly, on the political plane - a large majority of the public in the Western countries have been suffering declining living standards for decades and have largely lost trust in their 'democratic' institutions. Meanwhile Chinese people have seen rising living standards for decades and according to polls conducted by US companies are overwhelmingly supportive of ther government. On the international side, China's Belt and Road Inititiative now has 150 countries signed up, and the BRICS is rising fast. One extra thought on Taiwan. If the US really supports the Taiwanese people, why are they shifting chip production to America? This can only devastate the Taiwanese economy whch relies on its local chip production for 50% of its exports? Already, Taiwan's economy is stagnant. If it loses its chip industry perhaps integration with the Chinese mainland will look more attractive than it does today...

The President sets the foriegn policy of the United States, not the Taiwan Relations Act.

Very interesting! Thank You

Both brilliant individuals at their roles, fantastic, fantastic

Enjoyed! Thank you.

Absolutely, as Chinese American, I agree with Elizabeth that China is not socialist, although China claims it is a socialist country. Actually, United States is much more socialist than China. Chinese president Xi said that Americans are lazy. It means there are much fewer welfare programs in China. Thus, It is hard to predict which country will prevail in the future, based on Productivity. Democracy can do both bad and good things. China is an authoritarian country.

"We know that Google won't turn that information to government" 🤣🤣

43:40? "Doing the right thing"?... "public-private partnership"? ... that's WEF style stakeholder capitalism and as far away from liassez-faire, freed markets as you can get. Olympus has truly fallen.

Yes, ideology and power always wins over economic growth.

If china’s way of governance is so terrible, then why are we so afraid of how strong they are getting economically and militarily? More precisely, if what they are doing allows them to be so strong economically and militarily, then shouldn’t we try to mimic what they are doing instead of constantly criticizing them?

We WILL decline if we rely on the advice of people like her.

Outstanding. Love the fact-based optimism.

Disappointed to hear the Economy’ view points as she has the strong view against China and therefore lost her objectivity and factual approach in research on the issue, which will lead the misunderstanding and misjudgment from US

Is it a Western culture to create a cartoonish villain out of a situation?

After 10 books, I am not sure she is more informative than UKposts

Neither your guest nor "the Goodfellows" quotes were worth my time.

Min 25:00 She didn't answer the: why can't China democratize?

A great discussion!

As if the internet searches are not tracked in the U.S.

The fact that such a ideology driven person can rise up in academia does not bode well. Good luck USA

Love your interviews, Peter. If youe blood ran cold thinking about the CCP (1) filtering internet search results and (2) keeping track of where you go, it should at least run coolly here and now as Google currently does those same two things-- and much, much more.

@43:22 Q: "What did you make of Washington?" … "polarized?" A: (paraphrasing) - "the business community is patriotic." Nice. This took away some of the value of this interview. An answer like this is not up to academic standards. It rather fits a lowly politician. Those years spent in Washington left a mark.

🎉what does it mean party vs economic solution bilaterally mean?🎉

What a last name! Like Robert Conquest… if the two families joined, you’d have an economic conquest.

You guys should talk to the two guys who were there for many years, serpentZa and Laowhy##

What happened to the video?

I'm sorry, I am firmly confident Google would turnover identifiable personal data in a heartbeat.

V eloquent Gordon Chang-ers…

Those who speak don’t know.

Do not underestimate or downplay chinese population harboring of the CCP. Aiding and abating.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his WORK"

We have legal system,including corruption....LOL

You don't need dictatorship for economic growth. Sensible market policy with human resource development alongwith rule of law will pave way for growth. India without dictatorship since 1990s has seen 6%+ growth. Thus dictatorship is not needed for growth. But high level prosperity is possible only with democracy or else you must be resource endowed.

Anyone wanting to know how to do public interviews should study Peter Robinson

she is a government employee... no wonder

🇺🇸!! What a dose of optimism and hope! Thank you, Ms. Economy. That’s just what this mother of two yearned to hear. I’ll replay and share. 🇺🇸

I think we can do without country's "doing right" in the world. It's not really working out is it?

Her hair is definitely 100 times healthier than the entirety of the Chinese economy.

Supporting the Philippines in their struggle for ownership of their waters against China will determine the future good or bad for the US and the allies world wide.

Thank you. This was thoughtful and balanced.

Please stop the "kind of" and "sort of" fillers. Unbecoming of someone at your level of education and experience (and age).

When I see a kneejerk influx of trolls, I know that a discussion has accurately struck a nerve. It is refreshing to see acknowledgement that the transition from China to Xina was --- from a long-term perspective --- a geoeconomic blunder.

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Really enjoyed this 🇬🇧

Between economy and power, of course they choose power! If they choose economy, they will lose power gradually, if they choose power, though the economy will be damned, but it’s none of their business! Those ppl who are still in power can still live luxuriously that most ppl in the world (even in the west) can’t! Think about the 3 year starvation, the culture revolution, these ppl still thought super highly of Mao! They never thought to kick out CCP! Only by realizing the nature of those CCP who are in power, you will be able to predict their reactions. The true nature of communism is about power. Forget all those equality blah blah blah, those are stuff to fool naive general public. Ppl who are really in this game know these are all BS. Perhaps Xi believes in some bits of it, given he has only finished primary school lol But I think he see acquiring TW is way more important than balancing poor and rich (this problem will be sorted when china’s economy go brust, jolly well everyone will be equally poor lol)

A legal system that protects our rights 😂, have you heard of Derek chauvin?

heck of a last name

Thank you for this important interview. I understood that free will and the rule of law will not survive without a peaceful economic environment because totalitarian governments and our traditional reaction to them will always impose strong central governments. We become what we fight, always. Power should exist to control itself firsthand. In my infinite ignorance, and I apologize for this, I would like to suggest a global alliance centered on the objectives of the UN global pact as non-negotiable drives for all those who negotiate globally. All political systems have failed us and are less important than human reality. The planet doesn't need us, it can start again if necessary. It is dying while we discuss what is actually least important to all of us as a conscious species. Neither China nor the USA are solutions to anything, they are two elephants in the room making us choose a side. We need both and any other super(egocentric)power in the cage of a much stronger global alliance. The time for the dinosaurs has to be ended. We need to jump to the era of more humanized relations no matter how long it would take, this should be the target. It's time to wake up and grow up, otherwise, in a few decades there will be no future to fight for.

You interrupted Ms Economy too often, IMO.

These two are not on the same page. Better prep was needed.

Is there a reason this was pulled down and then reposted? Was something changed to appease the Chinese overlords?

I can even answer the host opening question in very simple way. " If Xi gets his way, What does Xi wish during his governance ?" 1/ Integrate Taiwan with the Mainland. 2/ China progresses economically, technologically, socially, militarily .... etc. 3/ China works with the Global South and helps third world countries and partners to grow together.

she seems very corporate and not particularly capable of outside-the-box thinking. very DC. obviously there are those whose talent is learning the facts, and then there are those who are best at taking decisive and/or innovative action. the effete intellectual class in palo alto/washington don't give the average person much confidence that they can respond effectively to the china behemoth. the answer to the question(s) at/after 41:35 is particularly uninspiring. i don't think this appearance will age well but my god i hope i'm completely wrong about that.

Good to know the LAW which if the Tawanese wanna go back to mainland China, and the US will allow on it;

Please post the Condileza Rice speech that addresses unity with Israel.

这女的，真是什么都不懂，半桶水水平晃来晃去😂

Shouldn't you be asking a Chinese person?

Another great interview

I too bet on America

Very good discussion!! I’m Canadian and I thank god everyday for the US. And to anyone who thinks America is in decline or weak I would say learn your history…just ask Japan. I feel America has almost supernatural regenerative powers…and she does much better when she has an external enemy to focus on.

Not one word about how China is aging very very rapidly. And will be a joke in the future. We will look back and laugh in the 2060s that we worried about China in the 2020s

I live in Hong Kong, my wife is Ukrainian and I’m Taiwanese American. I’ve been seeing the changes in China and HK in real time over the past 20 years. A China/Russia led world order would be a complete disaster for humanity. Xi Jinping will probably end up being the worst thing to happen to China since Mao.

Moved to Shanghai post college in 2011 and fell in love with this great city and the people here at large. However the shadow and now outright malice of Xi has unfortunately made staying here further untenable and now I'm looking to move back to the States in the next 6 months. War is the last thing I'd advocate for but I hope we both maintain our commitment to Taiwan and expand our military aid to them. The 'Domino Theory' in Asia of the Cold War proved to be untrue in my opinion but I feel us fleeing that fight (if it comes to that) would cause irrevocable damage to our position worldwide and to the people of the world who value Democracy.

The US doesn't manipulate searches? And track what you search for? Ha!

Her name is Economy? wow

I stopped watchin after only 6.5 minutes. I don't know how two of you never noticed that 2020 happened

See, this the difference b/w the Neil Fergusons and Steve Kotkins on the one hand and a real expert on China. I hear these 2 guys talking generalities and uttering soundbites that sound intelligent but ultimately rest on shaky grounds. She is, however, measured, precise, analytical and conservative in her judgement on what course events might take. Also in giving credit or critique where they are due. Hoover is lucky to have her.

Google is not going to do what???????????? At least I only wasted about 13 minutes of my time.

What an envy towards great chinese succes in a past socialist era. Everything is wrong with this interwiev,the West is frightened.

I really like, a lot, how you speak so much about the Communist party. Considerably there's so much equality in that Political System in thought. And even mandating (1) child is a desirable step to support overpopulation. Running off Vivek's lead, verbatim, ,, When I become President... '' having a minimum-waged Salary after a certain age, I think, would be incredibly beneficial. As in at age 30 - $35,000.00 40 - $42,000.00 50 - $60,000.00 or something like that, I'd like to think would change so many lives within our most marginalized Communities and negating so many of our Country's current disparages.

And Okinawa is Chinese as well. We Japanese committed terrible war crimes during WW2, so we have to keep apologizing more to Chinese. As one of our humble apology Japan will return Okinawa to Chinese .

Remember when Peter would play devils advocate and really challenge the ideals of the person he was interviewing? In this discussion he appears to just lead Elizabeth on and agree with everything she says. You are delusional if you don't think multinationals in the US don't horde citiens data and tailor search results to fit their self interests. It would have also been nice to have q and a with an audience, but we can't have free thinkers asking troublesome questions now can we.

Interviewer talks too much and interrupts too much

Long live the empire!!

She has a PHd? Big deal.

a politician saying politician things, nothing interesting here

没有追求公平？扶贫不算吗？大姐

😊😊😅😅

I find "Lei's Real Talk" very insightful into China!