There’s NO WAY this works - Debunking bogus network splitters.

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Ethernet splitters are all over the internet, but aren’t they just a scam to steal from the uninformed? Well, mostly. But with a little knowledge of the history of networking, you really CAN run two devices over a single network cable!
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@LinusTechTips
@LinusTechTips 11 місяців тому
Since reading comments from you beautiful people, we want clarify a couple things. First, the fact that ethernet is digital (as opposed to analog) is not the reason that these splitters don't work. In fact, some digital signals can be split, such as I2C, DTV, or ARINC. Second, many other commenters are suggesting using these splitters as passive hubs, but while in the past that could have been a possibility, these splitters aren't wired correctly for that . The transmission pins on the sending device need to connect to the receiving pins on the other end. Simply wiring pin 1 to pin 1, 2 to 2, etc. as we see here does not work. While some of those old/deprecated features of the earlier ethernet standards could have enabled devices similar to these to work with very old network adapters, few, if any modern network adapters support these features and, ultimately, the wiring diagrams presented on the product page for these don't suggest that the seller intends customers to use them in that way. Our apologies for not making all this obvious in the video! Now here's some link to real solutions: Buy a TP-Link 5 Port Gigabit Ethernet Switch: lmg.gg/lp5ev Buy a TP-Link 5 Port Ethernet Switch: lmg.gg/3F5f5 Purchases made through some store links may provide some compensation to Linus Media Group.
@LestifyYT
@LestifyYT 11 місяців тому
Hi i love your content. Your the best
@Dankpodsfan60
@Dankpodsfan60 11 місяців тому
when the h
@TripGamingWolf
@TripGamingWolf 11 місяців тому
the earliest ive been
@ModernVintageFilm
@ModernVintageFilm 11 місяців тому
I'd love to see a Coax TV hooked up to HDMI.
@Haleskinn
@Haleskinn 11 місяців тому
could you please make a video about ethernet wan aggregation, like using qhora 322, or peplink, or asus new 10gbe routers to aggregate 2 or 3 different isps to get more "speed" (essentially getting 1 output with all of the speeds combined)
@joshuatatro4503
@joshuatatro4503 11 місяців тому
It's honestly impressive these companies realized less technically inclined people would search for "ethernet splitter" instead of an actual switch, then made a product that looked exactly like what said people were expecting, albeit somehow worse and more expensive than a 2-port ethernet switch. If only they had used their powers for good...
@divyamthakur
@divyamthakur 11 місяців тому
it should've worked like a hub if they configured it correctly i guess??
@Secret_Takodachi
@Secret_Takodachi 11 місяців тому
"And so one more finger curled up on the monkey's paw"...... 😂❤
@veto_5762
@veto_5762 11 місяців тому
@@divyamthakur that's exactly what a switch does edit: ok nevermind I'm wrong, still if you want to explain me the difference go ahead, i like reading explanations :)
@henry55430
@henry55430 11 місяців тому
When money is involved, rarely are the motivations humanitarian.
@thenoblerot
@thenoblerot 11 місяців тому
@@divyamthakur I guess I'm a noob but I always kinda assumed these things are basically a hub? what is the diff?
@anekroth
@anekroth 10 місяців тому
Hi Linus, random network engineer speaking. That splitter might work if you change all of your network interfaces to half duplex. Half duplex would need to be set on both of the computers connected to the splitter as well as the switch port the splitter plugs into. Half duplex uses a protocol called Cable Sense Multiple Access with Collision Detection (or CSMA/CD for short). Its a protocol that harkens back to the days of yore when network devices communicated over a single wire (like token rings and hubs). On a Windows PC you should be able to change the duplex settings from the network device properties in device manager. As for the switch, you will need a managed switch that allows you to change the port settings.
@ashvinla
@ashvinla 10 місяців тому
Thank God there are other network engineers here!!
@IT10T
@IT10T 10 місяців тому
You mean Carrier Sense
@bassman87
@bassman87 10 місяців тому
yeah I was thinking the same thing. Effectively those splitters are just a shitty hub. CSMA-CD is enabled in half duplex settings, but not sure if the consumer grade switch supports half duplex.
@dschwartz783
@dschwartz783 10 місяців тому
Yeah, thanks. I was on the verge of screaming at my computer screen: “google how Ethernet hubs worked bro”. With that said, I wonder how tested most NICs are these days to work in a collision domain containing more than two devices. That’s all modern NICs usually have to deal with thanks to the advent of the switch.
@remo9229
@remo9229 10 місяців тому
I experimented exactly that in one of my projects, and it doesn't actually work. Reason being standards like 10BASE-T, even when set in half duplex mode, still uses the same two pairs as tx/rx as full duplex, but there is no way to electrically connect those two pairs together so all devices on the bus can share them. I did find there's a 10BASE-T1S standard that does exactly what I needed but the ethernet chip I had didn't support it so I didn't continue that. edit: by "work" I meant all devices connected together this way can talk to each other. I was able to get one device to talk to other two even at full duplex, but not between all three devices I had at the time. edit2: I was actually experimenting with 10BASE-T, not 100.
@chrisspellman5952
@chrisspellman5952 10 місяців тому
I made this back in college. Had 2 machines and I was lazy and didn't want to run multiple cables and we didn't have access to a bunch of consumer grade switches. There was already a jack at my station so I made my own 'splitter' with 6 Rj45 connectors (3 at each end). My networking instructor was both disappointed and impressed when he saw it. He knew I knew it was wrong. But also, he appreciated the ingenuity of it.
@Forke13
@Forke13 10 місяців тому
Awesome
@TheInsomniaddict
@TheInsomniaddict 10 місяців тому
This kind of setup is how telco gets run as well. 4 pair, 4 phones.
@LordSirNelson
@LordSirNelson 8 місяців тому
You also probably didn’t screw yourselves over by slamming into a hub that also requires crossover cabling. 😂
@ivanbrunello6068
@ivanbrunello6068 12 днів тому
Tbh I saw properly cabled (that is 4 wires on one port and 4 on the other) splitters in several industrial installations. Expecially in not big warehouses where fiber was not needed
@rfarevalo
@rfarevalo 8 днів тому
@@TheInsomniaddict Telco is not ethernet. who cares?
@wfkvr6
@wfkvr6 7 місяців тому
I used to make my own splitters in the military when running another cable wasn't possible or feasible. Was back in the Cat5e days, so we only had 100Mbps switch ports at the edge anyway. Thanks for bringing back some good memories! 😂
@jajssblue
@jajssblue 11 місяців тому
Time to daisy chain splitters into a Christmas tree of sadness.
@LestifyYT
@LestifyYT 11 місяців тому
Ok
@Weepsy_
@Weepsy_ 11 місяців тому
😔
@hubertfernandez3734
@hubertfernandez3734 11 місяців тому
How many times do you think that's been said😂
@Nickdeaugustine
@Nickdeaugustine 11 місяців тому
🎄😢
@informitas0117
@informitas0117 11 місяців тому
Aren't they all?
@yiddea0
@yiddea0 11 місяців тому
I did this once a couple decades ago. The building facility manager would not cooperate between our two suites, so I used the telephone panel to split each pair to their own phone jack in the closet and connected the switches via a custom cable feeding all 4 pairs back into an ethernet keystone on each end. Performance was good enough to allow us to complete the move from one suite to the other over a week instead of having to do it overnight. Once done, I removed my handiwork from the closet and kept the two dongles as a trophy for my ingenuity. :)
@Felix-ve9hs
@Felix-ve9hs 10 місяців тому
I did this once to run DSL and Ethernet over a single Cat6 cable, it worked, but was replaced as soon as a second wire way pulled through the wall
@nolan33
@nolan33 10 місяців тому
What would happen if you inverted the cable. 2 cables into a single port on a pc?
@L-Tek
@L-Tek 10 місяців тому
@@nolan33 Depends on how the network card / chip handles it. You will either connect to just one of the networks or to none at all, plus you will be limited to 100Mbit/s as gigabit needs all the 8 wires connected to a single port on both the switch / router and pc.
@proud2bgeeky
@proud2bgeeky 10 місяців тому
We used to split CAT-5 cable into two cable connections when I was in the Air Force all the time. My unit's mission was to setup deployable PC/telephone equipment in the field and the less cable we had to run the better. We would even drop a ethernet link to a PC and then use the extra wire pairs for telephones.
@michael1
@michael1 7 місяців тому
And that's why you lost the Vietnam war! "Hello? Hello? Is that B company? It's no good, Sarge, these PC/Telephones don't work! I think it's this splitter" "Well drop some napalm and fly back home then"
@slincolne
@slincolne 2 місяці тому
I've done that on a site with AT&T 110 patch panels. The Ethernet connection used two pairs, and one of the remaining two pairs were used for a phone. No pairs were shared between the two devices, and the frequency difference between the Ethernet service and the other service were so different that there was no crosstalk, and each service worked as expected. There were no ethernet errors (switch error counters proved this) and no weird audio artifacts on the phone.
@Hanoitami
@Hanoitami 2 місяці тому
Vodafone tech here. Can confirm. Linus is missing this out completely... As usual.
@edwardbanda6018
@edwardbanda6018 2 місяці тому
I agree the video creator doesn't know very much about signal flow and electronics.
@disguiseddv8ant486
@disguiseddv8ant486 2 місяці тому
I've been splitting ethernet wires for phone and high speed internet in small businesses and single family homes since 1999.
@Mymatevince
@Mymatevince 10 місяців тому
Fun video. What you built here was a Data / Data RJ45 Economiser, you can also buy them in Data / Voice and Voice / Voice. They often have different colour strain relief boots to indicate by glance what they are. Basically on the Voice versions they are wired up using the middle 2 pins (Pin 4 and 5 blue pair) and the brown pair (Pin 7 and 8). They have been around for many years, but not many know about them 👍 The Data / Voice version is sometimes useful for pushing good old fashioned dial tone down the 1 Ethernet cable with 100Mbps internet as well.
@TheInsomniaddict
@TheInsomniaddict 10 місяців тому
Voice only requires a single pair, doesn't it? You should be able to to 1gbps data + voice.
@Mymatevince
@Mymatevince 10 місяців тому
@@TheInsomniaddict Yes, voice only needs the 1 pair, there are instances in the UK where you might want to push through the ringer wire on the 3rd wire so it could need 3 wires to work. Unfortunately even with voice using 1 pair that leaves only 3 pairs remaining, so you still wouldn't get 1000Mbps which requires all 4 pairs, you are still limited to only 100Mbps which is still fine for most things 👍
@TheInsomniaddict
@TheInsomniaddict 10 місяців тому
@@Mymatevince Darn, I was thinking it required 3 pair with the 4th for shielding. Ah well.
@karlkaufman2659
@karlkaufman2659 7 місяців тому
> "The Data / Voice version is sometimes useful for pushing good old fashioned dial tone down the 1 Ethernet cable with 100Mbps internet as well." Exactly what we're doing to get our Ooma base station networked, and its phone line interconnected to our central phone block. (Although we made our own phone+FastE splitters. The few I saw offered commercially were ridiculously expensive.)
@PerMejdal
@PerMejdal 3 місяці тому
There also exists a 4 x voice Economiser. Voice uses 1 pair. Ethernet 10/100 uses 2 pairs. Ethernet 1000/2500/5000/10000 uses all 4 pairs.
@Aguyinachair
@Aguyinachair 10 місяців тому
Working at Radioshack I heard this a thousand times. We had an adapter that was exactly like the adapter featured in the video. They would refuse to buy the slightly more expensive ethernet switch regardless of how much I protested. Some of them came back and usually apologized; others I'm sure went to other stores to avoid seeing my face again lmao
@dominiquebeaulieu7476
@dominiquebeaulieu7476 10 місяців тому
Was it the white triangle shape with 3 ethernet port? If yes i had it and was working not so bad.
@Aguyinachair
@Aguyinachair 10 місяців тому
@@dominiquebeaulieu7476 nah it was two ports and two came in a pack
@drippingwax
@drippingwax 10 місяців тому
How bad is your face?
@minty_Joe
@minty_Joe 10 місяців тому
@@Aguyinachair I do remember those. I also was $hackled for a little over 3.5 years. They were definitely a boomerang sale. The customer insisted, I told them otherwise, they wanted it anyway, but I warned them. Surprise, surprise, it was returned time and time again.
@Teh_Random_Canadian
@Teh_Random_Canadian 10 місяців тому
I actually have needed and 😅to use these things. Mostly for partyline comms systems like ethernet controlled light switchs and other things like arduino networking. They do work, but are extremely niche and not for splitting internet like joe blow wants
@AntneeUK
@AntneeUK 10 місяців тому
Surprisingly, this video has helped me diagnose a network issue at home today. I noticed that a wired connection between 2 rooms is running at 100Mbps, which led me to think that one internal wire is broken/disconnected. I never realised that we can run 100Mbps with less than all cables before I watched this. Sure enough, pin 4 is coming back disconnected. All the other wires are good. Not the point of the video, but it helped me diagnose the issue 👍
@edwardbanda6018
@edwardbanda6018 2 місяці тому
Yes that is weird...I got Maxwell's theory out of it double your baud rate.
@kirschjones9982
@kirschjones9982 10 місяців тому
I've been using 100Base Ethernet cable splitter pairs quite successfully for years. Yes, they work the way that your made yours. Thank you for explaining important considerations, limitations, and how they work! Here's why I use them: A good application for a 100Base Ethernet cable splitter is in a managed network that has Mode A PoE clients located in extreme temperature environments away from a local power supply. Although weatherized industrial PoE-powered managed PoE switches are available for use in such applications (e.g. PoE security cameras, especially where you have a cable to one camera and need to add a second camera nearby), the cost of these switches is much higher than the indoor switches in your links. Adding a managed switch can add additional maintenance needs (unless it is an automatically maintained network, which can also drive up the cost of the switch) and it adds another point of failure (including attracting possible theft of an outdoor switch that costs more than a the equipment connected to it). The passive cable splitter pair never requires maintenance, it requires no power, it is compact, it's extremely reliable in harsh environments, it can consolidate network device surge protection to one end, and it's very inexpensive. For 100Base Ethernet Mode A PoE, it just works and keeps on working.
@cazeyexe
@cazeyexe 11 місяців тому
That physical diagram between the garage and living room was perfect and made everything extremely easy to understand. I'd love to see more like that in the future.
@highrider9168
@highrider9168 10 місяців тому
Me breath through mouth too. Me like visual aid.
@TheGalacticVoid
@TheGalacticVoid 10 місяців тому
I was genuinely impressed with how good the example was
@DrewTNaylor
@DrewTNaylor 10 місяців тому
@@highrider9168 How rude.
@948320z
@948320z 10 місяців тому
Reminds me of the old (before the 90s) educational programs that relied on physical props for demonstration, like "The Secret Life of Machines".
@highrider9168
@highrider9168 10 місяців тому
@@DrewTNaylor then read it a different way. 😂
@ScotHarkins
@ScotHarkins 10 місяців тому
Even back in the 90s I was able to buy working 10Base-T splitters that properly split the pairs to yield 2 connections. First supplier in mind was BlackBox, supplier of many amazing doohickeys for various types of serial and network connections. Nothing at all new about this stuff. I even had the occasion to split jacks on a single pull, as you demonstrated. I punched 2 pair into one jack and 2 pair in the other at both ends of a single CAT5 line. Done properly it worked like a charm for 10Base-T and even 100Base-T with enough twists per inch cabling. BlackBox also made wall jacks for this purpose, where all you had to do was punch the wires the same way on both ends as indicated on the jacks' punchdowns. I had a cabler test one of my own such connections with his Fluke, and they both tested okay for 100Mb, but that's not the same as two full connections lighting up all eight wires at once. I'm sure such a contraption wouldn't rate anywhere near good enough for 1Gb, even with great care with the tight pair twists in CAT6e. In the installations I directed I made damn sure to use professional cablers, good cable, good jacks and blocks, and tested-to-spec 568B connections. I always pulled extra, so need 1 but pull 2, 2 pulls 3, 3 pulls 5, etc. I also only terminated 568B, even for phones. Our phones were 4-wire links, and with either 568A or 568B the 2 center pair tracked for 4-wire phone systems. The jacks we used were also shouldered to properly hold either an RJ45 or RJ11 or RJ14 plugs. We used those lines for Ethernet, telco, and even serial with RTS/CTS and even a few times DTR/DSR...I wired my own RJ45 to DB9 and DB15 connectors for such things so I could use even 568B patch cables for serial printers. Those were the days. I'm surprised anyone sells such crap as you found. The plans for proper Ethernet splitters are still out there, and aren't even that arcane. I'd be shocked if there weren't already PCB prints ready to go with minimal case requirements. You could even build a hub or switch into a case of that size, provided it could also pull power from maybe a USB. The trick then would be whether the network switch on the other side permits switches or hubs, which in any business office they SHOULD NOT without an exception process through the networking owner. No secret guest connections.
@TheoLubbe
@TheoLubbe 10 місяців тому
As a teen during my LANning years, the staple LAN was the 'Organised Chaos' one held by two brothers who'd attended the 'Springbok LANs' before that. Starting out with building their hardware etc, as a cost-saving measure they would run a single CAT4 cable from a hub or switch to a given table, intended for only two computers. In this way they were able to utilize only half the cables to support 100+ 'man' LANs pretty quickly, which you can imagine in the early 2000s was still a pretty significant cost-savings for highschoolers.
@James_Knott
@James_Knott 10 місяців тому
I've never heard of CAT4 cable being used for Ethernet (or anything else). The first cable type was CAT3 for 10 Mb, then CAT5 for 100Mb & Gb.
@Killerpixel11
@Killerpixel11 11 місяців тому
As someone still occasionally having to deal with the "proper" splitters, I can tell you they've been around for ages. And they're an absolute nightmare. Because the venn diagramm of people who use these, and people who don't document jack shit in their network, is perfectly aligned. Oh and also, finding replacement ones for situations where the customer absolutely does not want a better solution (because why would you?) has become a giant hassle, because everything is saturated with the "fake ones" as dropshipped e-waste. Thanks for the sponsor by the way, that particular industry absolutely needs to become bigger.......
@fab1604
@fab1604 10 місяців тому
Seriously, I was like "... More dropshipping? REALLY?!"
@yellingintothewind
@yellingintothewind 10 місяців тому
We always made them in-house, as it was the only way to be sure you'd get the same pinout everywhere. This was back in the days where connectors wouldn't auto-negotiate tx vs rx, so you had to deal with x-over cables too.
@thefreephilosopher7398
@thefreephilosopher7398 10 місяців тому
When I worked for an ISP 17 years ago, we also had our in-house splitters... They even made them fool proof to install, by colouring each contact in the respective wire's colour... you pinned the whole cable to one side, and then went from that side to the other side where the pairs would be switched with a small piece of cable... That way, we could lead a single cable from the router or modem to where the TV was located, and people had an extra plug for their laptop, or to the office, where both mr and mrs then had a plug to work or play WoW, all without the need for another thing that needed to be plugged into the power network...
@domhamai
@domhamai 10 місяців тому
Just make it yourself
@solarbirdyz
@solarbirdyz 10 місяців тому
THANK YOU. In anything remotely modern, this is such a WHY GOD WHY hack.
@MrRnprophet
@MrRnprophet 11 місяців тому
This video's sponsor looks like it helps to build many of the experiences I hate about trying to shop online.
@Kyle_G_Sy
@Kyle_G_Sy 11 місяців тому
Elaborate?
@okaydetar821
@okaydetar821 11 місяців тому
@@Kyle_G_Sy Drop shipping is a a method of scamming pretty much, and a get quick rich scheme at best.
@thebestdamager7400
@thebestdamager7400 11 місяців тому
Thats VERY simplified and generalized. Almost all of amazon is dropshipping. 80% of online stores are dropshipping. Nobody cares. The problem is when it's used to scam someone and products are never sent or only after months of waiting.
@DROGOC0P
@DROGOC0P 11 місяців тому
@@theresoluxion you'd think tech savvy viewers of LTT would know reselling chinese crap for insane markups is scamming, but you dont seem to
@empressjessica5020
@empressjessica5020 6 місяців тому
​@@okaydetar821false. Dropshipping is a logistical method of moving product that's been used for 45yrs however once in a while like with anything. Someone runs a scam. And then dodo brains automatically assume everything is a scam as a result. Their problem not logistics problem😂
@jamesriddle1508
@jamesriddle1508 4 місяці тому
As an electrician, I've always used (network) switches for connecting devices, however, the splitters work great for use in lighting control devices wired with Cat5E. Send power to a power pack module then Cat5e to a sensor or wall switch or another power pack. Splitters started coming with ceiling occupancy sensors awhile ago making installation easier.
@GoldenOblivion
@GoldenOblivion 10 місяців тому
bro i love how in every video this man makes a perfectly smooth segway into the sponser
@DrWhoStrange
@DrWhoStrange 10 місяців тому
The splitter you constructed is how the legitimate splitters are wired. They would often have a cabling diagram displayed on the top of the splitter. It was useful when things like switches were more expensive or you needed that one extra port in a location without needing a powered device. It's like the Amazon stores have thought 'oh yes, we can replicate that product' without understanding what it's actually doing.
@andymapp803
@andymapp803 10 місяців тому
Exactly this. I still find these in Businesses to this day! Either 2 sets of 1,2,3,6 for 2 data connections, or 1 x 1,2,3,6 and 1 x 2,5 (for telephony). With vlanning and gigabit passthrough on newer IP phones, they're a lot less common now. Never buy from somewhere that doesn't display the wiring diagram, but as Linus eludes to, if you're looking at one of these, there is probably a better solution...
@nberedim
@nberedim 10 місяців тому
​@@andymapp803 I use a pair in my house. Pass Phone/Data from my CPE to the main living room
@traviswilliams4880
@traviswilliams4880 10 місяців тому
I've also used legitimate splitters in situations where we needed to preserve vlans and the customer couldn't afford additional in wall runs or more expensive managed switches. Those $8 switches linus showed would strip vlan tags.
@jonmusgrov
@jonmusgrov 10 місяців тому
I can remember when working in tech support 20 years ago at schools the legitimate ones were used othen as back then switches and even hubs were alot more expensive, t100 was the standard, the only place i saw gigabit lan was between switches
@mbsoysal87
@mbsoysal87 11 місяців тому
A basic splitter should work as a 10/100 Mbps passive hub. I don't see a reason why connection fails altogether. Maybe there is an option in the network adapter settings that enables 10/100 Mbps mode compatibility.
@Toxicity1987
@Toxicity1987 11 місяців тому
Yup, in the 90s, such splitters were pretty common in many offices.
@carth85
@carth85 11 місяців тому
Mehmed tech tips ftw.
@mbsoysal87
@mbsoysal87 11 місяців тому
​@@carth85 haha 😂
@cyberpass
@cyberpass 11 місяців тому
set to half-duplex and collision detection that's baked into the ethernet spec should take care of the rest. LTT didn't show the whole picture with this video.
@mbsoysal87
@mbsoysal87 11 місяців тому
​@@cyberpass thanks for sharing. I guess they didn't mention it because young tech writers have never worked with pre-Gbps Ethernet standards 😀
@davidvolker4647
@davidvolker4647 10 місяців тому
While working in the business of networks and telecommunications I can confirm he's right. Those fake splitters had a use back in the days for some connection types, like an analogue telephone line or even ISDN lines. But it's really no use in computer networks. You'll need a real splitter like he described in the video. I also want to comment that it's a good sum up of the topic even for people not having a deep insight in networks. 👍🏼
@danielch6662
@danielch6662 7 місяців тому
I did the same in the office I worked at. Boss wanted another computer there, and I was too lazy to pull another cable, and he didn't care, or know anything about cabling ... so two 10cm lengths of CAT5 cut from the roll under my desk, two rj45 plugs, four rj45 sockets, and lots of electrical tape, and I'd made a pair of these in 5 minutes. I was quite proud of thinking up the solution then. Pulling another cable would have taken an hour or half. And this was 20 years ago. Switches and hubs were not that cheap as they are today. And required a trip to the city 20km away. The shopping trip would take me half a day, what with searching for parking, etc. That would cost more than the switch. Plus where were we going to place the switch under the table, and it need another power point, which must never be switched off, or the other computer will go offline. My janky unpowered solution worked problem free the rest of the time I was there, about 10 years. It was light enough, I screwed it to the bottom of the table with just one screw.
@davidgriffin79
@davidgriffin79 10 місяців тому
2:39 It'll also lower the impedance presented to the headphone amplifier quite significantly if multiple low impedance headphones share a single headphone jack (assuming all headphones are connected in parallel); this could cause the amp's protection circuit to kick in or (if there isn't any protection) damage the amp.
@M_Jaggard
@M_Jaggard 7 місяців тому
Also importantly it will not decrease the volume which the video says it will. The amp will work harder but unless it fails due to impedance decrease, it won't be quieter. Most headphone amps can support quite a few in my experience.
@KarthikeyanDuraivel
@KarthikeyanDuraivel 7 місяців тому
what if you connect the headphone in series?
@mylesmmm
@mylesmmm 7 місяців тому
@@KarthikeyanDuraivelthinking of how to achieve this…maybe mono works and that will affect volume I believe
@user-yh7zc9ke4s
@user-yh7zc9ke4s 6 місяців тому
@@M_Jaggard pretty much all headphone amps i've seen use protection resistors, or they would burn if: 1) it's not fully plugged and shorts signal to ground 2) jack is detected 3) some music is playing obviously it will become quieter with resistance in series
@CristianBalas
@CristianBalas 10 місяців тому
Those devices are actually a gold mine for DIY electronics projects (non-ethernet). I recently used a lot of them to split multiple signal wires very cheaply. Ethernet cables are so cheap and they provide 8 wires inside that can be used for anything.. and those devices provide a very nice solution to duplicating the signal
@grants7390
@grants7390 10 місяців тому
yes, yes, yes. I'm using a few for cat5e carrying balanced audio to several studio monitors.
@henrirappperson
@henrirappperson 10 місяців тому
@@grants7390yup, I’ve used them for studio headphone systems from Furmann.
@flowwizardz6695
@flowwizardz6695 10 місяців тому
Like the connections in treadmills
@jackkraken3888
@jackkraken3888 10 місяців тому
I heard they use them to send HDMI signals even further, you can even get HDMI to Ethernet adapters for this very reason!
@lennardfaber
@lennardfaber 10 місяців тому
I've used them for adding terminators to a cat5 cabled CAN-bus system.
@jgal7979
@jgal7979 11 місяців тому
Ridiculous that LTT is accepting sponsorships from dropshipping websites now.
@rowan5075
@rowan5075 10 місяців тому
@Tajl3r they do decline some sponsorships, in fact a lot of them.
@isaackvasager9957
@isaackvasager9957 10 місяців тому
Security installer here...there are versions of this that work. We use them (on each end) to allow 2 IP cameras to be run off '1' wire. (It's obviously two wires from the appropriate ends). As Linus mentioned in the video, you can get 100mbps with splitting. Which is WAY more than you need for a single IP camera. Works great if you need two cameras on a far end of a building, you can run just a single cable for the main trunk.
@connerw7381
@connerw7381 10 місяців тому
This!! Works great haha
@Solarius318
@Solarius318 10 місяців тому
We used to sell these at radioshack when i worked there. had so many returned because people didnt read that you have to hook it up with 2 into it on each end like the one linus made, and it didnt just simply split them like old jacks. they worked great for the purpose they were built.
@henrypugsley7199
@henrypugsley7199 10 місяців тому
Old school telco and network guys did this to run 2 x Cat3 over a single 4-pair cable. Works fine for 100Mbps without PoE, but if you want PoE or 1Gbps then you need more cables.
@markngugi
@markngugi 10 місяців тому
@@isaackvasager9957 Exactly! There are versions that actually work - It just takes a little know-how! I dare say even PoE Splitters - Done it myself for my security cameras: 2 Cat7 Cables split for 4 PoE Cameras.
@macjonte
@macjonte 10 місяців тому
Cameras would be a place you like to use PoE so you can run all cameras from the switch UPS.
@boesesascha
@boesesascha 10 місяців тому
We use this Y-cables to quickly wire up the CANbus in our machines. It works great for this type of network topology. When you reach the last device on the bus, you can use the second half of the Y-cable to plug a RJ45 connector with a 120 Ohm resistor in.
@TomCee53
@TomCee53 7 місяців тому
A new thought occurred to me. I have actually used this successfully. I do remember reading that it technically violates the ethernet spec, primarily in that it may introduce crosstalk in very long lines, reducing the 100 meter maximum. In practice, I’ve used it to about 25m. Ad in most hacks, your mileage may vary.
@brunoschwizer1009
@brunoschwizer1009 11 місяців тому
These are used sometimes in Industrial applications where there are simple analog signals (24v power or maybe a digital IO or a 0-10V analog Signal) running over an RJ-45 connector. Then there are some use cases where these are practical. Like let's say you have an analog pressure signal that needs to be read by 2 different sources simultaneously.
@CamGrayA
@CamGrayA 11 місяців тому
Yup, i used one of the splitters shown 'the more honest one' for splitting analog audio signals being run over structured ethernet cabling. While it was a very special AV use case worked a charm.
@nadie9058
@nadie9058 11 місяців тому
Then it's not an Ethernet splitter, it's just an rj-45 splitter
@global2829
@global2829 11 місяців тому
Yep. Worked on a product that ran a RS-485 serial protocol over Cat 5/RJ-45 cables, and these splitters worked fine as all the devices treated the cable as a bus. Typically you'd daisy-chain devices, they'd have two ports that were simply wired together, but splitters worked too.
@arturszczeparski1351
@arturszczeparski1351 11 місяців тому
Was about to comment, that these RJ-45 splitters are used with device, where serial communication like RS485 is run through RJ45, and you daisy chain all for example VFD in circuit. Pretty handy and usefull.
@quadruple_negative
@quadruple_negative 11 місяців тому
Yep. I see them in pump control panels all the time where the serial coms between VFD units and the HMI use ethernet cables for links.
@Jernaumg
@Jernaumg 11 місяців тому
These used to be very common (the correctly wired ones). A lot of older offices were wired up with far less structured cabling than we would do now. Worse yet some of it was probably CW1308 for phones. As more and more devices needed connecting up this became an issue, particularly when IP (and later VOIP) phones became more common. One solution was to use a pair of splitters like this to double up your infrastructure. Yes it was janky but it was also MUCH cheaper than re-wiring a building and didn't disrupt the people working there. Similar looking devices were also common on digital PBXs which used cat5 cables terminated on RJ45 ends but used entirely proprietary signalling. Some of these would actually have worked with the splitters you bought too because you could set up the live pairs on the PBX and phone so that each phone only used one pair and ignored the rest.
@seandaugherty5372
@seandaugherty5372 7 місяців тому
Actual Ethernet “splitters” do exactly what you did, and split 4 along each line. And I have seen applications where it was the most practical solution, where we had a buried line under asphalt and needed to have two physically separated connections.
@agowa338
@agowa338 10 місяців тому
At 3:10 they forgot to talk about hubs. And about the "The transmission pins on the sending device need to connect to the receiving pins on the other end" part, most network cards allow to switch the RX and TX pins internally automatically (or when did you last use a crossover cable to connect two devices directly together?) 😉
@iaina3251
@iaina3251 11 місяців тому
Back in the olden days (mid 2000s) we had loads of these in the company server room. We didn't have enough ports in our rack and these were everywhere to allow more low speed devices into the patch panels
@Max128ping
@Max128ping 11 місяців тому
If I remember correctly, how they even work properly back then was using something called CSMA/CD Or Carrier-Sense Multiple Access / Collision Detection Where it will send data and listen for its own data, if so, data sent successfully, if not and heard something else. It will pause at random time before trying again.
@Max128ping
@Max128ping 11 місяців тому
Wifi now days uses a similar technology, CSMA/CA Instead of listening to their own data, it first Listen before sending out. It's why more signal causes slower connection because your WiFi is waiting for that slight moment of silent before transmitting
@alanbarber4543
@alanbarber4543 11 місяців тому
I'm glad you're doing more content like this... Useful to send to my less technically smart family when they ask about junk like this.
@TheSwayzeTrain
@TheSwayzeTrain 11 місяців тому
They don't want the technical explanation. They just want you to say 'yes it will work' or 'no it will not'. If not, they want you to tell them exactly what to buy instead. "Make magic box work, me no care how works!"
@DjoXey
@DjoXey 11 місяців тому
​@@TheSwayzeTrainExactly
@Gahlfe123
@Gahlfe123 11 місяців тому
@@TheSwayzeTrain i tell this to everyone who asks me for help but really just wants me to fix the issue and not learn about the issue. its so annoying how little people try to understand the world around them
@CMDRSweeper
@CMDRSweeper 11 місяців тому
@@Gahlfe123 The reason is that you, me and the rest of us here, we are MUTANTS! We are abnormal :D
@manankataria
@manankataria 11 місяців тому
​@@CMDRSweeper 😅 such a sad reality we have reached an age where trying to understand how things work can make us the weird ones 😢.
@MrFrosteyes
@MrFrosteyes 10 місяців тому
The only time we used a network splitter was at school with several computers, where we could translate our written programme and copy it over to the roboter. To make sure that that only one computer could get access to one roboter, they used a splitter with a switch to select the current active connection. Anyways, quite informative eventhough would have guessed so already when I just think about IP's. Honestly didn't think about the DIY method though.
@CathodeRayDude
@CathodeRayDude 10 місяців тому
In the very early 2000s, my family wired up ethernet through the walls in their house, but we didn't put in enough copper for later expansion, so when the day came that we wanted to put two computers in one room, we tried doing this with the single run going to that panel. In theory it should have worked, but when we actually tried it, we found that one machine or the other would link up at 100 full duplex, but the other would consistently connect at only 10 half, and it would flip randomly back and forth if you cycled the connections. I've never been sure whether this was due to the inferior isolation between pairs in CAT5, which I should mention wasn't even the E variant at this time, or if the network cards were using had inferior transceivers, or if we just plain wired it wrong and didn't notice. I had heard at one point that it was a violation of the signal spec, and it makes sense to me that this would produce too much crosstalk between pairs, but that might just be one of those things that doesn't officially work, but in all practical cases does. Certainly, there seem to be plenty of comments from other people suggesting that this used to work reliably for them.
@insu_na
@insu_na 11 місяців тому
I'm surprised it didn't work tbh. Maybe because of the switch, or maybe windows has disabled csma/cd by default now under the assumption that all ethernet connections are switched nowadays, but once upon a time, home networks used ethernet hubs, not Ethernet switches, and these genuinely did exactly what this splitter here does, only with even more ports
@insu_na
@insu_na 11 місяців тому
If the ltt crew would manually set link speed to 100mbit/s half duplex in the network adapter settings, then the splitter *should* work out of the box, if the network cards still have csma/cd implemented that is
@cyberpass
@cyberpass 11 місяців тому
I'd be surprised if they removed collision detection from their drivers. These should work. I'm surprised LTT didn't mention anything about CSMA/CD.
@izimsi
@izimsi 11 місяців тому
hubs split packets into individual transmissions, not just wire up everything together
@burnstick1380
@burnstick1380 11 місяців тому
thought the exact same thing. That's prob why they did do it this way cause theoretically you can go up to the "normal" speed the cables offer (1G maybe even 10G)
@cyberpass
@cyberpass 11 місяців тому
@@izimsi That's not true at all.
@Ykok
@Ykok 10 місяців тому
Worked at a company where we used to use splitters back in the start 2000es. At that time 100mbit was the standard and REALLY fast, so splitters were a very useable method to use a single installed cable for two computers. I think we might even have created them ourselves 🙂.
@MattF340
@MattF340 10 місяців тому
Yup, they were called CAT5 Economisers when 100mbps was top speed and only 2 of the 4 pairs in the cable were used - of course you needed another one on the other end too.
@AlexVonT
@AlexVonT 10 місяців тому
Back when I ran a computer repair business in 2002 I made several of these for my shop. Switches were.... not $8 back in the day....
@JRansom02
@JRansom02 10 місяців тому
Yeah, I've also seen them run to two-port jacks on both sides of the cable run.
@Tigerskunk
@Tigerskunk 10 місяців тому
Years back, we did this for some computers. Sometimes using it for data and phone for a fax/modem on the machine. This was when companies still need to send faxes for legal reasons.
@Ziogref
@Ziogref 10 місяців тому
My office used splitter (rarely) to send a analogue phone and ethernet down 1 cable. The splitters we purchased actually split like the one linus made so we could plug one end into the network and the other into the PABX.
@charliesheehan4577
@charliesheehan4577 10 місяців тому
This is actually was done in older environments. At my work, in some of our older horizontal wiring installations are setup this way. the cat 5 wiring uses a Siamese type of wire where 2 of the 4 pairs are separated in their own sleeve but bonded together in parallel. Then, If a particularly area need two ports, each sleeve gets its own connection to the switch. But again, your limited to 100mb on each port. It also can be setup normally where both sleeves are patch together. you will then get gigabyte speeds in that case. We are slowly trying to phase that type of wiring out of our building(s) the patch panels are too big and bulky
@Mikej1592
@Mikej1592 10 місяців тому
I remember when cat5 first came out and the company i was working for was going around upgrading people's old coax and one I cant remember with like BNC connectors and even some 25 pin cables in short runs to newer cat 5 setups. The key to the cat5 working is the fact each colored pair is twisted at different rates effectively making each colors run a slightly different length and would have very small but detectable lag time differences as well as resistances. This is how we tested runs were done correctly, the tester ran a timed signal along each line and if it didn't get the pulses in the right timed order then the run was a fail and we needed to pull another line or resolve the issue. Which was typically an end terminal was punched down wrong because for some reason the guy related to the boss who was color blind was allowed to install the wall jacks. (If I'm wrong in this please forgive me, this is how it was explained to me by the bosses nephew that was my partner for many jobs. funny how when it came time to reduce head count the only guy not related to the owner was the first to get canned)
@LordSirNelson
@LordSirNelson 8 місяців тому
I love that you recall this so vividly. I always grin a little bit when I am terminating any CAT cable, because I know the very act of doing so innately introduces one more point of failure, complexity and latency. 😈
@Mikej1592
@Mikej1592 7 місяців тому
@@LordSirNelson hehe, I have a weird memory, can't remember where I left my keys, important notes for work, but I remember that time I was in the ceiling at Macy's needing to splice cat5 because the guy I was working with didn't listen to me and pulled too short a run then made me climb up in that hot ceiling because I was the newbie to splice that which shouldn't be spliced. That probably connected the 1 bad register that always had issues with the credit card machine LOL. While you are reminding me of this, and failure points. One failure point using too long a run with cheap routers. cheap router + cheap network card + cheap 1000' cat5 spool = why cant I make a 50' patch cable. lol.
@LordSirNelson
@LordSirNelson 7 місяців тому
@@Mikej1592Let me guess, also too cheap to even consider at least a partial PoE to give it at least the slightest chance of developing sufficient signal strength to be reliable? It always amazes me how people love to fuss about their network performance but when you get into it you find that they did things like...IDK, build their antennas too short to ever reach their intended targets (hat-tip salute to #LTT 😉), never run regular systems checks or at least consider routine preventative cabling checks or maintenance. On the other hand, these same folks also seem to be incapable of keeping their hands off fiber implantations, and are always wondering why their performance is degrading quicker than expected. “It’s call Entropy and it’s accelerating because you can’t keep your damn dirty paws off the cables and terminals. Ya damn dirty apes.”
@baky5372
@baky5372 5 місяців тому
So it's very interesting that this is what was taught to you. The wires do have varying lengths and here is the reason why. When sending electrical signals down a copper wire, it is susceptible to something known as electromagnetic interference. Electromagnetic interference occurs when two electromagnetic fields occupy the same space and then the signals may cross over from one field to the other. Inside of an ethernet wire, there are several wires and there are electrical currents (and subsequently electrical fields) flowing through each one. To minimize the amount they talk to each other, manufacturers of etherent cable use 2 techniques. The first is they twist the cables. The twisting causes the electrical current to shift in polarity on every twist effectively recreating its own signal multiple times over and over again. The second is that they twist them at slightly different rates. This is so the polarity shifts are never perfectly synchronized across the different pairs. The side effect of twisting the wires at different rates is that the wires are then slightly different lengths
@scottnelson1664
@scottnelson1664 5 місяців тому
Correct me if I am wrong here, because I am not an electrical engineer, but the manipulation of the wires via twisting creates resistance in a manner that becomes virtually self-regulating for quite some time. Meaning the intentional asymmetrical twisting makes use of EMI to create resistance throughout the entire cable. No? If not, then I too could benefit from how there is a functional difference between one philosophy and what is proposed as a different school of thought. To my layperson understanding, one is simply the more concise explanation featuring the outcome as the focus, while the other focuses on the methodology-while both produce the same outcome.
@xlipeyt
@xlipeyt 11 місяців тому
Did Linus really advertise for a Dropshipping buisness?
@Thtoastanator
@Thtoastanator 11 місяців тому
I was wondering the same thing. I guess scummy money still pays the bills
@CJMAXiK
@CJMAXiK 11 місяців тому
If you have any genuine concerns, you can always send a post on the forum, they have a separate section to evaluate their sponsors.
@Kyle_G_Sy
@Kyle_G_Sy 11 місяців тому
Yes and no... autods is a tool for those running a dropshipping business
@unia.
@unia. 11 місяців тому
who cares, its not like anyone buys from drop shippers anyway
@Broockle
@Broockle 11 місяців тому
o i muted it, are they the RAID shadow legends of computer hardware?
@Bizzmark11
@Bizzmark11 10 місяців тому
It was actually kind of shocking to me, earlier in my career (10-20 years ago) how common splitting a CAT5 (or even older) cable in half is in retail environments. Tons of connections at front of house cash registers with the POS on 4-conductor data, often with the other 4 being used for POTS phones. They're still out there being used.
@richardjohnston8965
@richardjohnston8965 10 місяців тому
I was thinking the same thing. Used them in supermarkets when I cut my teeth in IT back in the early 2000's. In fact, I still have some of those exact same 20 year old splitters in use in my house today!
@beardymcbeardface69
@beardymcbeardface69 10 місяців тому
I know of a national stock exchange which also used them. There's nothing wrong with their use, if they're use correctly. We often mixed connections, including 2 wire NEC Dterm phones with the use of these splitters and appropriate wiring on our Krone frames.
@tz8785
@tz8785 10 місяців тому
Sure and why not? Those applications don't really need a lot of bandwidth so if you can provide connection to several devices with no additional electronics by physically reassigning the conductors, there is little reason not to. This applies even more for analog signals which you can't simply feed into a network switch. Of course, this assumes they work properly, which the specimens in the video don't.
@TheRogueX
@TheRogueX 10 місяців тому
When I worked for A&T we were allowed to do this because most computers still only had 10/100 cards in them and only used 2 pair of the 4 anyway.
@sweh
@sweh 10 місяців тому
Combined ethernet/phone use is why 10baseT (and then 100baseT) ethernet used 1/2/3/6; it meant two-wire rj11/rj12 needed by phones would naturally fit in the middle of the RJ45 socket and use pins 4/5
@Fan-lq6uv
@Fan-lq6uv 8 місяців тому
I had a Radio Shack splitter. It did work, kind of. When used with 2 devices, if either of them were using network a lot (such as downloading newest Ubuntu), collision will occurs often and the speed will drop a lot. But when there's light traffic, those worked well. I connected 2 networked printer with Radio Shack splitter and didn't have any issue with that splitter.
@BreakIntoProgram
@BreakIntoProgram 10 місяців тому
I used to run a PSTN telephone and an Ethernet connection over a single CAT5 cable between two rooms using a similar splitting technique; 4 wires used for each connection. Worked like a charm.
@rfmerrill
@rfmerrill 10 місяців тому
Ethernet was actually originally designed for this kind of thing to work just fine! If you're as old as I am, you may remember seeing computers wired up with 10BASE-2 or 10BASE-5. These older Ethernet physical layers allowed a group of computers to talk over a shared coaxial cable--each computer just taps off the cable at some point or another and they all use CSMA/CD to avoid talking over each other. With twisted-pair Ethernet (aka every kind of Ethernet we've used since then), however, you need at bare minimum a hub--it's just not electrically designed to be used the same way as the coax flavor. This does come with advantages--it's harder for one fault to bring the whole network down, and each computer can be freely plugged in and unplugged without disturbing the others.
@James_Knott
@James_Knott 10 місяців тому
Yep, my first Ethernet experience was with 10base5, connecting some VAX 11/780 computers. I also hand wired some Ethernet controllers, on prototyping boards for Data General Eclipse computers. However, my first LAN experience was in early 1978, on a proprietary Rockwell Collins network, in the Air Canada reservation system.
@neilsluman8267
@neilsluman8267 2 місяці тому
I have to say, this video confuses me a bit. This is trying to do something that ethernet should be able to do. It's designed to handle collisions. It demonstrably doesn't work with cat-6 but is this because it's full duplex, or because this particular ethernet cable works differently in some way?
@QuicknStraight
@QuicknStraight 10 місяців тому
The most stupid thing about these splitters is that the Chinese factory knocking them out could just as easily separate out 2 twisted pairs to each port, as Linus did. It's bizarre that they don't.
@Richard_AKL
@Richard_AKL 10 місяців тому
It's a design fault with this specific one. We used to buy ones that were like Linus' ones.
@reed-young
@reed-young 10 місяців тому
Bizarre, yes, but also par for the course these days.
@JJFX-
@JJFX- 10 місяців тому
Are you really surprised? TBF the idea is that you get the full connection speed to each device if only one of them is powered on at a time. While that may be useful in some situations it's certainly not how most are being marketed.
@reed-young
@reed-young 10 місяців тому
@@JJFX- Wow! Is that the most generous of all possible summaries, or what? "While that may be useful in some situations it is not how most are being marketed." What it looks like to me is that the design "team" was probably one guy, who struggled to pass CompTIA Networking, if he could at all, or at that approximate level of understanding, anyway. (Does CompTIA even exist still? Never mind, in either case it's beside the point!) If not a literal uncle, somebody fitting the general description of a nepotism arrangement requested the *intended* function, probably in the very terms of a headphone splitter, probably after seeing an attractive couple (or just a noisy couple) using one on an airplane. The nephew did his best, but reported that it can only work for one device at a time, and didn't know what Linus showed: that instead of connecting all 8 wires (which is what prevents two separate connections working as if they came out of a switch or router), 4 wires can be enough *if* you know which 4 wires to connect and how to connect them. So the "design team" reports to the uncle that it only sorta works, but the uncle owes his sibling or in-law (in other words, one if not both of the nephew's parents) a favor, so he says "that's okay, we'll just put an asterisk and some small print on it. Since the lawyers say that's good enough for our pharmaceutical, food processing, and cosmetics businesses..."
@JJFX-
@JJFX- 10 місяців тому
@@reed-young Look, I'm not arguing with you or trying to defend it. I'm beyond tired of all these lazy Chinese resellers trying to cash in on selling crap to people who don't know better. All I'm saying is that splitting the pairs does severely limit bandwidth with the trade-off of allowing two simultaneous connections. Most people would prefer this option but I don't have a problem with the other being marketed correctly. There are cases one might prefer full speed to one device at a time and it's difficult to run power to a switch. However I'd agree most these sellers are just lazy, incompetent or simply didn't even test the product they're buying for pennies on the dollar.
@cap_solo
@cap_solo 7 місяців тому
About 4 years ago I had ( a very uncommon) situation that couldn’t be solved just by adding a switch so I built a couple of splitters like the ones Linus made on the second half of the video. In the laundry room I had the ISP modem > router > 16 ports switch > patch panel . Obviously The latter distributing the connections around the house One of those connections went to the main bedroom where I had an Apple TV AND a TV decoder (rom the same ISP supplier. There was only 1 Ethernet jack below the TV. The problem was that the I really wanted to connect by wire the Apple TV and the tv decoder needed to be connected to a “special” port in the modem independent from the “regular “ Ethernet ports. So then the splitters were used to do two connections: from the special modem port to the tv decoder and from the switch to the Apple TV. As you can see Using a switch was not a solution whereas this bizarre thing solved it.
@TheCatAliasTNT2k
@TheCatAliasTNT2k 7 місяців тому
You got a point here, that is one situation, were you can not use a normal switch. BUT: If both devices use Ethernet, you could use a VLAN aware switch. This kind of switch does a similar thing compared to your wires, but virtually. (You need a second one of this switches on the other end)
@jeffturabaz887
@jeffturabaz887 10 місяців тому
These splitters do make sense if you break it down a certain way. For example, if you deal with gaming and have multiple game consoles, you can theoretically connect 2 devices with the splitter. Since normally you would have one screen and tend to power off the console not being used, the console that is turned on should pick up the internet signal and work. You can buy a switch, a router, or what ever but at the end you have one tv/monitor and only playing with one device at a time.
@justaguycalledjosh
@justaguycalledjosh 9 місяців тому
thing is, a lot of modern devices still run networking when on standby, it'd need a full no-power situation. and if misconfigured to bridge certain connectors, may still fail.
@jeradw7420
@jeradw7420 8 місяців тому
They also make sense as diagrammed. His little test setup may have had a bad product or he bought from a scam company but that doesn't mean there aren't devices out there. There are "splitters" that do split one cable into 2 separate 4 wire connections and both can be active at the same time. You have to have 2 ports on a switch to one splitter and the 2 devices on the other. You will need a pair and they should come as a set if they are legit.
@oleurgast730
@oleurgast730 7 місяців тому
@@jeradw7420 It's neither a scam nor a bad product. It's a splitter for ISDN network, not for ethernet. It's simply the wrong product. What you describe correctly is an ethernet splitter. Sometimes exact wording is important. Neither "network splitter" nor "RJ45 splitter" means anything. You need to know if it's an ethernet or an ISDN/S0-Bus splitter. Obviously the product in the video is the ISDN/S0 splitter.
@grn1
@grn1 6 місяців тому
@@oleurgast730 He addressed the fact that some of the Network Splitters are somewhat legit (you're still better off buying a switch as they are cheaper, safer, and properly share bandwidth) but the way the one he bought (and many, many others) are advertised say nothing about being ISDN/S0-Bus splitters. They simply claim to be Network Splitters and considering the age of Amazon it's not like these are some ancient product entries built before modern networking standards. Even if they've accidentally created a somewhat legitimate product for really old, niche systems the intent of the sellers is obviously to scam people who don't know any better. Even someone who's fairly knowledgeable about computers could make the mistake of buying a splitter thinking it had some actual logic to it.
@todayiroam1374
@todayiroam1374 10 місяців тому
The "DIY" version is also available commercially and has been for years. In times when 100mbit was still pretty much standard I have been using them for Mir than one customer. If you image search for "Delock Rj45 LAN Anschlussverdoppler" you can find a model that shows the wiring on the casing.
@F3nrisTAG
@F3nrisTAG 11 місяців тому
Properly made splitters have existed for a long time. I've used them and had to make them in some cases to repurpose old building wiring. In some cases, because it was CAT5 (not e) cable wired for phones originally, using a RJ45 to RJ11 adapter was........ fun.
@notmyname9062
@notmyname9062 11 місяців тому
Yeah, just don't buy chinese garbage. There have been splitters out there for decades that work, IF you use them as they are supposed to be used. And ONLY in that case. You don't even need premade splitters, you can use patch panels or etthernetcable connectors to do this yourself. I used this method over 10 years to provide two connections over one cable, since internet connections was far below 100mbit/s anyway.
@sebastien79a
@sebastien79a 10 місяців тому
These were useful back in the day in datacentres where cables cost a lot of money for low speed connections, or I think E1s (European T1s). Kind of same idea as using bi-di optics these days. Wouldn't use these though :) - I do love the UniFi Switch Flex Mini for these :)
@Gamer-kn7fi
@Gamer-kn7fi 8 місяців тому
Well i found one from old days laying around, but it really safed me setting up my new 3d printer as i had no cable that was long enough so i just took 2 3m cables and combined them with the old adapter and done 6m lan... Not how they say they should be used but a good use case
@Nik930714
@Nik930714 11 місяців тому
This is actually build pretty robustly. Shame that all the engineering time went into the case design and non went into electrical design.
@cyberpass
@cyberpass 11 місяців тому
Well...They actually do work! Linus is wrong with this video. Collision detection is built into the Ethernet spec. There was a time when you'd buy Hubs instead of Switches.
@majorfallacy5926
@majorfallacy5926 11 місяців тому
@@cyberpass i remember playing lan games over an old hub in the early 2010s. Piece of shit barely worked. Still some of the most fun we've had as kids.
@Nik930714
@Nik930714 11 місяців тому
@@cyberpass Really? This can work? In that case I have a dumb question - why didn't it on the laptops in the video?
@5at5una
@5at5una 11 місяців тому
@@cyberpass did you skipped the video or what.. he did said it work.. but with a huge asterisk of "one at a time not at the same time"
@SAMarcus
@SAMarcus 11 місяців тому
@@Nik930714 For this particular one to work, the best option would be one of the devices being on a crossover cable or cables that are already set up for only 4 wire which they do make. I have one sitting on my desk right now that came with my Phillips Hub. They do make legit splitters that do the same as what Linus showed with their homemade one using 4 wires per connection. The problem is with the very poor QA in many places that can't turn around and rip these bad ones apart and fix them, so they sell them off cheap to unsuspecting techno-noobs.
@JL_421
@JL_421 11 місяців тому
It seems like the documentation for the original splitter is wrong. If they've wired it like described, you'd only want the adapter on one side. A switch like you connected to would likely disable the ports since you effectively connected them directly together. CSMA/CD would effectively mean the client devices are connected to a passive hub like we used to do back in the days of vampire taps. Your link speed would probably negotiate at either 10 or 100 half duplex, and overall performance would drop through the floor depending on how much traffic you were trying to push, but it *should* work. You could even keep branching them out as far as you wanted, but performance would drop for every additional device you added to the tree.
@TheEmpowerment1
@TheEmpowerment1 9 місяців тому
Linus, im so glad you actually made this video. This is something every techie should know as its been around since 2001 and its very handy to know and can solve some very difficult issues for alot of people. For instance, Ive been using this method for many years for an underground cable issue where I have 2 underground cat5e to the garage. My modems are in the garage, which is 300 feet from the house. I have 2 seperate modem connections for 2 seperate networks serving 2 seperate things. That being said I added a pretty large security camera system and I absolutely need all of a gigabit connection and an air gapped network for the nvr in my house. So I have my modem connections to my routers in my house on a single cat5e split to 2 100baset connections. My internet speeds are only 100mb max per anyway so instead of trenching 324 feet for a new cable run I can run everything full speed without trenching.
@joshsmith5351
@joshsmith5351 9 місяців тому
Why would you do this and not just use a switch to get full gigabit or more?
@MrWeddingPhotography
@MrWeddingPhotography 2 місяці тому
Here in the uk we have a splitter product from Haydon that also enables POE. I use them for my cctv installations where I need two IP cameras to work from a single Ethernet cable run and they work a treat.
@mr.onions
@mr.onions 10 місяців тому
For nostalgia and a complete picture: in Europe similiar splitters were common to split a 4x2pair wire into 100Base Ethernet on pins 1236 and ISDN S0-bus on pins 3456. As ISDN was a bus you also could actually run up tp four devices (i.e. telephones) simultaniously on such "split rivers", but only middle pins 3456 were ever used.
@KR4FTW3RK
@KR4FTW3RK 10 місяців тому
Still seeing some customers who have those horrid splitters in their inventory. Since Fax won't die out entirely in germany, there are still people with genuine 90s Fax machines and these splitters.
@kh-ro5su
@kh-ro5su 10 місяців тому
​@@KR4FTW3RK fax is still commonly used in many parts of the world due to its reliability. it's very common in the medical field, for example, because it's possible to fax data over good old copper wires with less risk of failure (power or internet outages, internal networking failures etc). plus, it allows different organizations and technologies to reliably communicate with each other as it's such a long used method. another factor is that it's very cheap. fax machines are very simple, whereas modern hardware and software can get very pricy. i guess another benefit is ease of use: you just need a number, papers and a machine which can allow for anyone to easily use them without needing training. however it's slowly being phased out these days, mostly due to the burden of needing to redigitize records into more modern internal systems and the costs associated with that
@KR4FTW3RK
@KR4FTW3RK 10 місяців тому
@@kh-ro5su ah yes the thought of billions of medical records being transmitted entirely unencrypted. lovely.
@kh-ro5su
@kh-ro5su 10 місяців тому
@@KR4FTW3RK yeah it's a weird thing. on one hand it is secure in the sense that it is using phone lines rather than internet. you would essentially need to hijack an existing number - which isn't hard...open up any telephone junction in your neighbourhood, attach some alligator clips, a device and you can listen/make calls like phone phreakers used to do as well as send and receive faxes (though they often need passwords) using a number that isn't yours. it's also far less susceptible to abuse because very few people are going to bother anymore. for example, someone could hijack a fax line and start receiving prescriptions and attempt to fill them at a pharmacy. but despite how long and how much fax has been used in healthcare, you don't really hear of much abuse - mostly because there's very little point. there's not much reason to want some strangers medical records or to risk charges using someone else's prescriptions. it's why despite its insecurity, you rarely hear about abuse. but yeah it's time to pivot away from the technology at this point, it'll just take time due to the complexity of healthcare related information technology
@KR4FTW3RK
@KR4FTW3RK 10 місяців тому
@@kh-ro5su I think fax as a technology is absolutely fine but the implementation with these fax machines is icky to me. I work in IT services and analog fax machines are impossible to troubleshoot from afar. In the days where all the communication a customer does goes via firewalls and managed switches over RJ45 to every workspace, I don't want some analog fax machine sitting in the corner, doing critical work for the customer. Its nonconformity to everything else is a big part of the problem. I'd get a software based fax... there are tons of them.
@allyouneedtoknow8135
@allyouneedtoknow8135 11 місяців тому
4:32 perfect safety shown by Linus, using a mini circular saw and cutting TOWARDS his hand, and getting about 2cm away from it.
@solarsynapse
@solarsynapse 7 місяців тому
I am an installer and have done this reliably because some customers won't pay for additional cable runs and this allows a managed switch to "see" each device which can't be done using a non managed switch. You can also use the other pairs for digital phones and other equipment if it is needed. Two pair is still better than wireless.
@SodalisUK
@SodalisUK 6 місяців тому
Not all splitters are wired wrong. I bought a pair for exactly this purpose and they worked just great. We even run proper PoE for one of these connections over the splitter (because they use the same wires). Older semi-official PoE uses spare wires and won't work over the splitters.
@ResidentIT_
@ResidentIT_ 11 місяців тому
6:57 "100 Mb is so slow!" as sit here, with 50 mb spread out across 4 family members, 3 of whom are incredibly tech savvy and all need high speed Ethernet
@ghostdross1660
@ghostdross1660 10 місяців тому
4Mb/s in here if you are lucky and no one is using it. Usually between 2-3Mb/s here.
@Ghostshaw
@Ghostshaw 11 місяців тому
To be clear, whether a signal is analog or digital doesn't influence whether a splitter can work. The deciding factor is whether or not its a two-way protocol. To give an example, the DMX-512 protocol, can be split just fine (in fact passthrough is the basis of the whole protocol). It goes a bit further than that, there are two-way protocols that can be split just fine like phone lines, it all depends on the design of the protocol, whether or not its sequential/serial in nature mostly.
@jamesphillips2285
@jamesphillips2285 11 місяців тому
People in the comments pointing out CS/CD is one such protocol.
@chaos.corner
@chaos.corner 11 місяців тому
It's the physical layer that's the issue in this situation which is why you can use a dumb hub and it works fine.
@ElijahCiali
@ElijahCiali 11 місяців тому
The problem here isn’t even that it’s a two-way protocol. DMX is also a two-way protocol. The difference is that those are engineered to have multiple nodes communicating over the same line and thus can functionally time the data for each fixture (using addresses, universes, etc)
@Ghostshaw
@Ghostshaw 11 місяців тому
It is indeed a lot more complex. Putting all of it in a comment would have made it convoluted. The main point being that analog vs digital is not really relevant like stated in the video. In fact digital signals can be more suitable for splitting since they are less affected by signal degredation.
@JRways
@JRways 10 місяців тому
I used this product when we switched from from vdsl to cable internet. The connection point of the cable connection was on the other side of the house so the existing cat E wiring didn't make sense anymore. There was one cable available near the new router that went to the other side of the house so we used the splitter to connect the media PC and a wifi access point both with 100 mbit. We got the two splitters from the local computer shop and they made sure the wiring inside was correct. Wired pc and good wifi coverage for 10$ without using a switch. Last year we switched to gigabit fiber and then the connection point changed again, so we "properly" redid the wiring as the 100mbit really became a bottleneck.
@7razgriz7demon7
@7razgriz7demon7 2 місяці тому
I've used these on Schneider VFDs that use a serial/analogue based comms protocol (modbus) and an RJ45 as the connetor. They work pretty well for that application.
@theAessaya
@theAessaya 11 місяців тому
I'm quite familiar with this kind of splitters (the ones Linus built) -- we often used them in the university dormitories in rooms for three people that were only wired for two ethernet jacks. Split it up, boop-a-dee-doo and you've got three for the price of two. Or even four! And since the ethernet was 100 mbps back then anyways, nobody minded at all.
@jec6613
@jec6613 10 місяців тому
Came to the comments just to post about this. The $50 splitters were also quite a money spinner for the bookstore - and in our case the dorms were wired for single jacks back when it was only expected one person would have a computer. There were even a few switches that were designed for this, 3Com if I recall, where you could configure the odd ports on a switch to carry the signal from the adjacent even port on the switch, so simplify install.
@isaackvasager9957
@isaackvasager9957 10 місяців тому
But now a days...$9 switch works better and is cheaper.
@RandomKSandom
@RandomKSandom 10 місяців тому
I second this. I used splitters like these that actually worked 15-20 years ago. Working ones do exist, although given Amazon's current trajectory, I'm not surprised that scams are so prevalent now.
@Keepone974
@Keepone974 10 місяців тому
@@isaackvasager9957 Back in 2010 I literally just used a switch bought for 10 USD used... So yeah lol
@jec6613
@jec6613 10 місяців тому
@@isaackvasager9957 Not in a university, you have to have port-level logging enabled in the dorms for compliance reasons, at least if the university is following the law, so the only switch allowed would be a university managed one, which are many hundreds of dollars.
@rubymayvalentine
@rubymayvalentine 10 місяців тому
Thank you for the Ethernet switch suggestion I didn’t know I could get away with a real cheap one ($15) like that, I was looking on Best Buy a few months ago and they were all pretty expensive and I thought I was just gonna have to suck it up, I just have little hobby self hosted projects like an IRC and a media server and this will help a lot because I’ve been wanting to get my main pc off of Wi-Fi as I’ve been using my sole Ethernet connection for the raspberry pi I use as my media server
@nebular-nerd
@nebular-nerd 6 місяців тому
Back in the early days of ADSL I had a pair of splitters (and a pile of adapters) to bring both the lan side of the router, and a regular phone line using a single Cat5 from the ground to the third floor of our house. As the ADSL was sub meg speeds back then it all worked a treat. We had a hub but it needed to be on the top floor due to the very old construction of the house and how we had to route the rest of the lan. We only ditched the splitters once the phone line was no longer needed. Those Amazon splitters are super janky, I can see no purpose for them other than simply to generate e-waste.
@animefanrk2k
@animefanrk2k 11 місяців тому
This is something I figured out the hard way 20 years ago when I had to figure out a ethernet-based internet solution with one wire for me and little sister's PCs. My ultimate solution was to connect my little sis's PC to mine and get internet that way her for PC. It was slow, but we did manage to play games online at the same time, especially since we went from dial-up to cable modem. Good times.
@r4z0r84
@r4z0r84 11 місяців тому
Yeah I did the same when I was 12, ended up doing modem to my PC then crossover cable to my sister's PC so we could both share dialup 😂
@Avenga76
@Avenga76 10 місяців тому
You used to be able to buy splitters wired exactly like the one that you made. I used them a lot in the early 2000's when network switches and hubs were too expensive, and most house wiring only had one cable to each room. Back then everything was 100BaseTX anyway so you weren't losing anything. The brand I used to use had the wiring diagram on a label on the side of the splitter so you could make sure you had the right ones.
@masswebdrop2453
@masswebdrop2453 10 місяців тому
i was pretty sure my buddy had a splitter in high school and it worked fine. Glad you commented. This was '04.
@manvydaspletkus3874
@manvydaspletkus3874 10 місяців тому
I used a couple of such splitters a couple years ago. You can still buy those from reputable electronics shops
@VanpyroGaming0
@VanpyroGaming0 10 місяців тому
I'd love a similar video about power-line adapters for ethernet. Currently running one from my router to my bedroom and don't really seem to notice too much improvement than over wifi other than stability.
@benjaminsmith9943
@benjaminsmith9943 29 днів тому
I've known and used this "hack" for years. A fairly recent example is setting up POE security cameras. I had two security cameras going up on the roof, where there wasn't power for well over 100 ft. (30 meters) Installing POE cameras and splitting the network cable just like this worked great!
@Rik.B
@Rik.B 11 місяців тому
I was using the 'correct' splitters back in the 90's, the same type you made, they where available from our local trade supply. the newer style of one computer or the other was available too, but pretty useless in a corporate environment. I must of installed at least 1000 of those splitters in places where we where not given enough time to re-run new cables.
@garmack12
@garmack12 10 місяців тому
There are actually old proper Ethernet hubs from when switches were more expensive. They were used a lot in industrial applications because they were relatively low bandwidth. They did however use electronic repeaters instead of just tying terminals together. The downside is that without switching there was a lot of packets being destroyed by two devices transmitting at the same time.
@shadowpenguin3482
@shadowpenguin3482 10 місяців тому
Yeah I am actually very confused why this did not work. Ethernet spec has the back off when a device notices other devices talking, so it should actually work with multiple devices (although with worse ping if all devices are talking at the same time)
@shadowpenguin3482
@shadowpenguin3482 10 місяців тому
The technique was called CSMA/CD, but apparently it was deprecated in 2011
@codahighland
@codahighland 10 місяців тому
Deprecated. Huh. Who knew?
@TheInsomniaddict
@TheInsomniaddict 10 місяців тому
@@shadowpenguin3482 If you set the NICs to half duplex you think it'd still work? EDIT: ah nevermind, I read the LTT comment. Even if you enforced CSMA/CD the cable is still wired improperly.
@TallinuTV
@TallinuTV 10 місяців тому
Oh yeah, this is exactly what I was thinking, “that’s how the Ethernet spec was supposed to work!!! Y U No Work???” … Deprecated. Seems like that’s something all those sources maybe should’ve mentioned.
@thorbjrnhellehaven5766
@thorbjrnhellehaven5766 7 місяців тому
I used splitters in an office setting. We had a location where we wanted some printers, but we didn't have enough ports at that location. Back then, 100 Mbps was the norm, so using a splitter didn't actually matter that much.
@c1d342
@c1d342 10 місяців тому
As a low voltage installer that works with POE T568 equipment...this was a super fun watch!
@Pyrogman245
@Pyrogman245 11 місяців тому
Auto DS seems sus. Having the word “dropshipping” on your front page is a huge red flag to me
@user-rf47CwB72
@user-rf47CwB72 11 місяців тому
Linus just found out about the passive ethernet hub (layer one of the OSI model). Keep learning, Linus!
@cyberpass
@cyberpass 11 місяців тому
Well...seems like he didn't learn much. Completely ignored the fact that Layer 1 tech was the norm 20 years ago. The ubiquitous WRT54G even used a basic hub.
@maverickbna
@maverickbna 11 місяців тому
@@cyberpass Wait, it wasn't a switch? Are you *really* sure?
@noahluppe
@noahluppe 11 місяців тому
@@maverickbna I am pretty sure it IS a switch. If I remember from my OpenWRT flashing adventures some years ago.
@Umbruspatior
@Umbruspatior 11 місяців тому
I was wondering about that if he had only used one and a cross over cable it should have worked out of the box if half duplex is even still supported on consumer grade switches these days.
@drizitgaming
@drizitgaming 10 місяців тому
​@maverickbna it was definitely a switch. That's not to say some early home routers didn't have a hub I remember selling one model of GVC that used a hub. However that was before any router supported wifi, in fact that old GVC had a serial port so you could share a dial up connection with an external modem. (It wasn't even configured for fail over, you had to pick, ppp, ppoe, dhcp, or static)
@HectorRodriguez-li9vm
@HectorRodriguez-li9vm 7 місяців тому
Interesting Y cable and great call out on POE as thats likely popular with IP Cams. Has anyone tested this out though with 2 machines say streaming 4K video or performing large downloads at the same time? Is there cross over talk that may become apparent via Tx/Rx errors/retransmits? I'd suspect you will need to get a cable that shields each pair of wires.
@jerrygaguru
@jerrygaguru 8 місяців тому
You can get from high end computer vender they do sell splitters that to work, and are normal are send and receive modules. These are extremely popular add-ons in the point of sell computers and they are preferred over switches, especially in areas. They are prone to afternoon thunderstorms. With locations like this with the power flickering off and on if there’s not battery back ups on everything, the network can get split into two networks are some people call an ARP bubble were multiple networks switches cannot see each other. The only way to resolve this is to power down all devices. All networks switches for five minutes then bring them up in the correct order. These are great connect multiple locations or remodels to one centralized networks switch. Again as you said they are 100 Mbps are 10 Mbps, which in this network configuration is perfectly fine enough ❤bandwidth for everything to work with no delays.
@jarzez
@jarzez 10 місяців тому
When I was about 12 or so, and didn't understand these concepts, I searched for ethernet splitters in order to use my Xbox and PC on the same cable. Luckily I got one that was setup in the same way as the one you made! And this was way before anyone worried about any 100mbit connections, so I would never even have noticed the drop in speed. Worked great for my usage!
@astron800
@astron800 10 місяців тому
I know I wouldn’t notice. Speeds here in Jamaica are on average 70mb/s, it’s a good day if we reach 148. So I definitely won’t notice anything wrong with my speeds.
@JamesNeave1978
@JamesNeave1978 11 місяців тому
Um, you know you totally can have passive Ethernet hubs, right? That box should just be a box of correctly wired diodes. See, Ethernet contains carrier sense multiple access / collision detecion (CSMA/CD) All the devices start to notice collisions, discard the data and start using random packet timings to avoid collisions. Only works in half duplex too, but that might be a function of it being a concentrated network instead of a switched or active network. The switch in the router is supposed to drop to half duplex. Probably 100baseT too, i don't know about the ones that use the whole pair set
@JamesNeave1978
@JamesNeave1978 11 місяців тому
I'm guessing this is a case of everybody on this channel being too young to know about these and the early ethernet standards! 😂
@insu_na
@insu_na 11 місяців тому
@@JamesNeave1978 yeah... I feel so ancient 😭 So what if I used to wire up 10Base2 wires and passive 10BaseT hubs!!! Someone in my comment chain (and in other comments too) noticed that they put 2 wires from a switch into the "splitter" (as instructed by the badly written manual), so the switch did its loop detection magic and disabled the ports until the loop was released => no connection. If they had just eschewed one cable on the "router" side, or had plugged that switch directly into that "wall" socket, it would've worked, thanks to the magic of auto-negotiation. While my Mellanox card really does only support 40000baseSR4/Full, 40000baseCR4/Full, 40000baseKX4/Full, 1000baseX/Full, 10000baseCR/Full and 10000baseSR/Full, my intel NIC supports down to 10baseT Half-Duplex through auto-negotiation...
@froggacuda1605
@froggacuda1605 18 днів тому
When we built the addition to our house, the electricians offered to run and wire up all our Cat 5 cables drops (about 28 total drops). Their price was reasonable so I showed them where in the utility room I planned to put the patch panel and needed all the cables to be run to. When they told me they had finished, I discovered they had ignored my instructions and had daisy-chained all of the wiring between each drop as if it was telephone cable. They adamantly refused to fix it insisting that this is how they do it every time and no one had ever complained
@kjamison5951
@kjamison5951 2 місяці тому
The comments I saw most on-line were from people who claimed they didn’t work and had only bought one of them. I never understood why they were not always sold as pairs. Having said that, I work in electronics and I read descriptions. I don’t take anything for granted.
@DoRC
@DoRC 10 місяців тому
It's interesting to see this. We actually had a few of these at a doctor's office I worked at years ago. They added patient portals to each office and there was only one Jack available. Rather than put switches in we just did exactly what you did there and split out the connection. Worked fine
@snapstromegon
@snapstromegon 11 місяців тому
If I remember correctly from my CompSci degree, these things (while still useless) should work if you plug in just one, as they function exactly like a hub and thanks to backwards compatibility of ethernet with CSMA/CD (Carrier Sende Multiple Acces with Collision Detection). Have you tested this? This would've been an awesome inclusion in the video.
@spicybaguette7706
@spicybaguette7706 11 місяців тому
Yeah I was wondering why it didn't work, maybe the router/NICs don't support CSMA/CD anymore? Hubs used to be pretty common from what I've heard
@snapstromegon
@snapstromegon 11 місяців тому
@@spicybaguette7706 I think it's because they used two dongles and that way the two ports where on the same switch - most switches will shut down the connection in that case.
@belgarion514
@belgarion514 11 місяців тому
CSMA/CD is only on half-duplex connections, I had similar "splitters" back in the day and it worked fine for 10Mbit/s half duplex. (but used only a single "splitter")
@snapstromegon
@snapstromegon 10 місяців тому
It's even better: There's a techquickie mentioning Hubs, that tells you that this thing should work like I described: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/jpNianl6eHermIU.html
@kreuner11
@kreuner11 10 місяців тому
It only works if TX goes to RX of the other plug (with diode) as well as to the TX of the output cable, and RX of output cable is connected to both (also with diode to prevent back feeding from the other port) This tells the two devices when one is using the cable already The wiring here is incorrect and doesn't allow this behavior
@dancoulson6579
@dancoulson6579 7 місяців тому
I must admit, at first, I thought it was just a tiny hub. I know you can't have multiple devices sharing one cable. EDIT: 5:26 - That's the exact same switch I have next to me now. It connects the router, downstairs PC, downstairs printer and upstairs switch together. The upstairs large switch connects to downstairs, another wifi access point, server, and upstairs rooms :) It's a good little switch, it's been working flawlessly for years. What's better, it's made of metal and uses basic green LED's. No ugly rounded plastic shells in this house... Everything is metal, and beige, or navy blue.
@skoopdewoop
@skoopdewoop 7 місяців тому
I would assume the main issue is communication. With audio and power, it's mainly a one-way trip. With internet, the connected device is communicating back to the router and the router to the tower. You couldn't just funnel or copy the signal across 2 cables because it goes both ways.
@JeremyCulbreath
@JeremyCulbreath 10 місяців тому
That "splitter" device might actually work if you set your network ports to half-duplex. Since half-duplex would turn on CSMA/CD, it would be a junction hub. I've not used half-duplex in years, so I'm not 100% sure. But if I remember correctly, it should work. Also, split pairs have been used for year in telephony. 4 pairs meant that multiple 2-wire or 4-wire analog phones could go down a single Cat5. Made wiring PBX systems to office pods quicker and cheaper. Of course, VOIP made all that obsolete. And I absolutely would not go back, VOIP is superior in almost every way.
@James_Knott
@James_Knott 10 місяців тому
Half duplex still used 2 pairs.
@jdgmeester
@jdgmeester 10 місяців тому
I think you are missing one important thing there: For half duplex / CSMA/CD to kick in, you need two devices sending at the same time, to another one that is listening. This involves a bunch of diodes to get wring correct, or an (active) ethernet Hub.
@alsmamfkm5182
@alsmamfkm5182 10 місяців тому
@@jdgmeester Not sure if CSMA/CD would work on differential signals. Old shared-medium ethernet standards used coax and single-ended signals, and these were 10BASE-something. For CSMA/CD to work properly, there is minimum packet length (transmission time) requirement for a cable run of given length, which makes it impractical at higher speeds.
@eto6197
@eto6197 10 місяців тому
Back in the early 2000s these adapters (correctly wired ones) were used a lot. Gigabit was no requirement yet and those adapters helped to use one cable for two devices. E.g. digital phones (ISDN) + Ethernet could be sent over the same cable. Even today it can be useful if you (for some reason) need an analogue phone line and wired network but have only a single spare cable. I could use a pair of those adapters (still from the early 2000s) to connect my phone and my computer although there was only a single ethernet cable available.
@zeero4ever
@zeero4ever 10 місяців тому
I also still have 3 or 4 pairs of these (correctly wired) splitters around. In my old rented flat they were ok to dual use a network cable for a tv box and a PS4. Internet speeds above 100Mbit are sadly still on the rarer side in germany, so that's an OK compromise. In my newly built house everything of course has proper CAT7 ethernet, but I'll keep these things around. Printers and phones will never (in the forseeable future ;-) ) need 100+ MBit speeds.
@Abion47
@Abion47 10 місяців тому
Most people who pay for gigabit internet in their homes are leaving a ton of bandwidth on the table the vast majority of the time. Outside of WFH or NAS applications, generally the only real reason to have gigabit speeds in a home device that most people will care about is to be able to brag about how fast their games are downloading. Even 4K streaming doesn't even come close to saturating a gigabit connection. I can see these adapters still being entirely relevant today, especially in older homes and apartments that aren't wired for gigabit anyway.
@Xantiem
@Xantiem 9 місяців тому
My house uses this now XD Although they are RJ45 jacks not ethernet
@maxking3
@maxking3 9 місяців тому
100Base-T only uses 4 of the 8 wires in a Cat-Cable . We regularly use these splitters for Surveillance Cameras and SONOS Speakers in commercial installs You connect the first splitter with 2 cables to your switch. (Remember, it just routes the 4 used wires for each connection to the “left & right” within the 8 wires of the >Cat5 installation cable in the building. On the other end, the 2nd splitter routes the 8-wire “left & right” to the 4 wires used by the 100Base-T connection for each of the 2 device connectors. There you plug-in your left & right Sonos speakers and enjoy having both of them wired through a single cable in the ceiling. It’s shocking that Linus could not figure it out, but that’s what makes him just a clown compared to MKBHD.
@karlkaufman2659
@karlkaufman2659 7 місяців тому
"just a clown" ... I've now watched 2 videos by him (this one and a MoCA & Powerline install at "Colton's") and I'm stunned at the superficial, sketchy coverage. It doesn't give me any confidence that I should use any LTT videos to learn about topics with which I'm *not* actually familiar.
@jensschroder8214
@jensschroder8214 7 місяців тому
Only two pairs of cables are necessary for 100Mbit Ethernet. Each cable has 4 pairs. So you can put two 100mbit lines through one cable. OR For serial RS485 only one pair is used, but sometimes RJ45 cable is used for this.
@mykeride
@mykeride 23 дні тому
Splitters like you made (1,2,3,6 and 4,5,7,8) had been commercially available pretty much as far back as UTP and T568B has been around. It's the same concept as the 2-line POTS phone splitters that you can still get. It used to be quite commonplace to run one CAT3/5 cable to each desk using pins 1,2,3,6 for ethernet, pins 4,5 for POTS line 1, and pins 7,8 for POTS line 2 in office settings. Although you would usually split out the wires behind the scenes (gangbox in wall, panduit, or cubicle kickplate) to separate registered jacks rather than using a "dongle" like your splitter, but the dongles did exist to perform the combining/splitting.
@jamesdlin7
@jamesdlin7 11 місяців тому
It seems to me that such a splitter *would* be useful for PoE cases where the Ethernet cables are used solely for power. Also, I wouldn't say that splitting doesn't work for Ethernet because of analog vs. digital but because all endpoints for Ethernet are *active* (and not passive like headphones). You'd have similar problems with analog signals if you tried to use a headphone splitter in reverse as an attempt to mix two audio signals; ultimately the problem is that one device is trying to set the voltage of a wire to X while another device is trying to set the voltage on the same wire to Y, making nobody happy.
@TheZoraman
@TheZoraman 11 місяців тому
What's a PoE case?
@Cyberguy42
@Cyberguy42 11 місяців тому
Well said
@jipeh
@jipeh 11 місяців тому
@@TheZoraman Path of Exiles build
@jamesdlin7
@jamesdlin7 11 місяців тому
@@TheZoraman I meant "useful for power-over-Ethernet situations", not "cases" as in physical boxes.
@TheZoraman
@TheZoraman 11 місяців тому
@@jipeh As an avid path of exile player that's all I could read it as lol
@svenhoffmann5840
@svenhoffmann5840 10 місяців тому
Hey Linus, nice video. Thou I want to clarify that there are in fact many real spliitters on Amazon that are wired just as you hacked your splitter. I work as a electrican in Germany and can tell you that I see those splitters quite often used. Especially if you have one outlet and want to connect a landline phone as well as a printer for example. If you have a bigger infrastructure and don't want any devices which would need extra power, could lower your network security or are a point of failure and you don't need the transfer speed (e.g. phone and printer) it's for sure a valid option (e.g. kwmobile, they even printed the wiring diagram on the connectors)
@fitybux4664
@fitybux4664 10 місяців тому
Thank you! Not everything plugging into an RJ45 jack is using the Ethernet protocol. RJ11 can plug into RJ45. (As can many hobbyist projects.)
@zachshaver3449
@zachshaver3449 Місяць тому
A potential clandestine purpose for this device is to be used as a V-Line network tap / passive tap. Disable one of the blue or brown pins carefully to force the target device to autonegotiate at 100mbps. Insert the splitter device in-line with the device to be monitored, connect a third machine to the second port of the splitter, force the third device's interface up without an IP address, and manually configure for 100Base-T (no auto-negotiate), set the interface into promiscuous mode, and capture your packets. The goal is to not transmit any packets out the interface on the third machine, but just monitor the network. Although you may only be able to capture one side of the communication..... You could even connect it to a small portable Raspberri Pi and connect back wirelessly to the raspberri Pi to capture packets of a device remotely, but now we're really getting into some Mr. Robot territory here. See, this device may indeed work with three devices connected, and may be quite useful to the right group of people.... so it's perhaps not totally useless.
@GrimdourTheRampager
@GrimdourTheRampager 9 місяців тому
Im so glad I had a friend who called them "ethernet switches" so when I needed one years later, I didn't search for "splitter".
@nathnathn
@nathnathn 10 місяців тому
Brings to mind the old days of using co-ax networking. Just add a double adapter fitting to add another PC. It was much easier “atleast in my experience” to get working at times also much easier for long run’s. Used to have family living next door so we had a co-ax line set up linking both houses into one network.
@jwhite5008
@jwhite5008 8 місяців тому
Oh yes, especially thick coax vampire plugs. Work as it says on the tin - it bites into existing coax cable to connect another PC to it - and all of connected computers can communicate with each other. This was the original intent and meaning behind "Ethernet" name - it's a network connected to "aether" meaning everyone connected to everyone.
@grn1
@grn1 6 місяців тому
@@jwhite5008 I've heard about those vampire plugs before but have never seen one in person. Unfortunately having every system able to talk to and listen in like that also severely limits the potential speed of the network/causes latency issues (presumably the same reason we don't use backplanes anymore). It would also be a security nightmare even within a residential setting (IOT devices are bad enough with the relatively secure standards we use today). That does remind me of a certain infamous story about a message that got sent to almost everyone on the early internet. Unfortunately I can't seem to find the right search terms to bring it up but as I recall someone sent a command in an early computer asking his coworkers to roast him thinking the command would send the message to everyone on his local network but it actually sent the message to everyone on the HOST file which was basically the entire internet at the time. I think they were using Sun Micros but it's been a long time since I've heard the story so I don't really remember the details. Pretty sure I heard the story told on ComputerPhile.
@tomwilson2112
@tomwilson2112 10 місяців тому
You can actually passively split 10Base-T connections, but it requires a set of diodes between each port and the trunk. Basically, the diodes cross connect the transmit of each computer to the receiver of the other. And since this is technically a passive hub, the systems have a built in technique that prevents them from talking over each other. I used to have one that I took all over the country with me as I worked on system installs.
@mtx33
@mtx33 10 місяців тому
Indeed. Absolute barbaric, abusing the voltage drop trough the diodes to prevent feeding back to your own RX, but still high enough voltage to sense the other two end. Back in the time I've built similar contraption, with using two cards in one machine bridged together to get 4-5 machines in a shared 10Mbps half-duplex network. It was used in multiple lan parties playing Quake and UT. Bunch of soldered wires and splices, looked like a bad sci-fi prop.
@mdkhalidhasannahid4148
@mdkhalidhasannahid4148 10 місяців тому
@@mtx33 no it doesn't work like that way unless you don't know what you're talking about.
@mtx33
@mtx33 10 місяців тому
@@mdkhalidhasannahid4148 with all due respect, please read about passive ethernet hub design with anti-parallel diodes. it's working with exactly 3 ports per adapter(obviously not stackable). The signals are not in 10Base-T spec, but still within tolerance. The trick is to create two "rings" with the RX/TX pairs on the positive and the negative side separately with ati-parallel diodes. The schematic follows A,B,C the computers, equal sign represents the diode pairs. Positive ring (pin 1,3) : =TX+(A) =RX+(B) =TX+(C) =RX+(A) =TX+(B) =RX+(C)= and back to TX+(A)= . Negative side (pin 2,6): =TX-(A) = RX-(B) =TX-(C) =RX-(A) =TX-(B) =RX-(C)= and back to TX-(A). There is an excellent video by Clifford Long here in YT ukposts.info/have/v-deo/fpt5qYWpqZWIr58.html
@mdkhalidhasannahid4148
@mdkhalidhasannahid4148 10 місяців тому
@@mtx33 not it won't work either. It could be possible in the past. But these connectors aren't wired correctly. The transistor pins of receiver end and source aren't the same lane connection. It won't work in million.
@mtx33
@mtx33 10 місяців тому
@@mdkhalidhasannahid4148 sure, tell me it didn't worked and i just imagined using it or all the people used the similar adapters. And the linked video is fake too. All 10Base-T compatible card should handle this arrangement. There are no direct transistor connections in twisted pair ethernet, but Ac coupler/isolating transformers between the negative and positive pairs. The whole purpose of this arrangement to prevent your computer to "hear" itself while sending data (by attenuating the voltage levels smaller than the threshold of the comparators inside the PHY), all the other collisions are handled by CSMA/CD in the spec. Honestly I don't know, why are you still arguing.
@vaalrus
@vaalrus Місяць тому
Retrofitting an antique house, I did co-opt the telephone Cat-3 wiring to use one pair for voice, and the other two for RJ-45 for networking… This was well before Gigabit or even 100-T was really a consumer thing. As good as dedicated cat-5? No, but for sharing a single DSL supplied router to the household and peer-to-peer? Just fine, without having to do a few thousand dollars worth of chasing wires through finshed (and ancient lathe-and-plaster) walls in an occupied house.
@jwhite5008
@jwhite5008 8 місяців тому
Oh those were known as "collider" splitter. They could work some time ago, when the devices were much less smart. They worked as a dumb hub (not switch!) by hoping that two devices won't transmit at the same time, and if they did it caused a "collision" so the devices detected it and tried to retransmit later. The difference from an actual hub was that a network collision only meant the packet won't go through - or only one of them will (higher numbered ports got a priority). Whereas this plug sends reverse voltages during such an event relying on built-in protection to save the devices from being fried. Of course if such protection was not built in, some very cheap very early devices could in fact die, although more likely just failed to function. Nowadays devices don't expect dumb hubs and re-transmitting a thousand times to local network at all, and a discrepancy is seen as a network connectivity loss. Sometimes you can configure that behavior in driver configuration and OS configuration, but I don't think Windows is capable of that anymore. disclaimer: I'm a sysadmin but not a networking expert in any capacity so what I wrote may be not very accurate - don't quote me, I never used one of those - resorting to Linus's 100MB splitters in dire need. In fact, in Russia old informal networks were wired in such a way because most of our houses were built in USSR only expecting at most a 1-pair phone cable to each flat, and a single TV and radio cable for entire house, so in most cases there was no space for additional 30-something cables. Switches were also too expensive and prone to being stolen to put them on every floor, especially if there were like 2-5 different internet providers in the same building who couldn't use each other's connection. Pulling a cable often involved a lot of oil and considerable force. So branching.off an existing cable was often the only viable option. Until a decade ago internet speed more than 100Mbit was not even an option most providers would offer.
@johnhmstr
@johnhmstr 10 місяців тому
This is one of those things everyone who did networking and phone systems in the 90's and early 2000's knew of and did. The catch was when you encountered someone who had split out the pairs (or worst of all randomly selected wires) in a custom way and you had to test or trace them out. :-( lesson learned from this pain. Leave notes understandable by the next guy on the inside of the panel or on a label.
@beardymcbeardface69
@beardymcbeardface69 10 місяців тому
Tell me about it! When these were incorrectly wired, split the pairs and then connected to long runs, the error rates reported by the switch were through the roof! But of course the guy who made it insisted that it was correct, because he tested it with one of those super cheap DC based continuity testers, which cannot find split pair problems because it just tests for continuity and not SNR with balanced AC signals etc. LOL
@thebaker8637
@thebaker8637 10 місяців тому
... cause the next guy's gonna be you. :)
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