facts.

Clemson, Texas, and Oklahoma was a power house as well. They ain't no more.

Texas? Aren’t they on the cusp of the playoffs?

Larry Coker had Miami operating at a high level.

@@Patrick-sg7cm From the 30 for 30, that was Butch Davis's team, who practiced without needing coaches to facilitate. Larry Coker was just a figurehead on those two early teams of his. Notice the further into his coaching tenure at Miami, how fewer the successes Miami had since he took the job. He couldn't replicate Butch Davis's coaching or recruiting.

Not necessarily! Because the acc schools only make 17 million per team from the tv deal , and that’s less than half of the sec and some other conferences. If I was a betting man I would bet since they make less in the acc tv deal, the big out is probably a lot cheaper . I could be wrong tho , I’m sure all the numbers can be found online

You are right. Although on a yearly basis, the buy-out isn't as bad as OU and Texas, the fact that they are leaving 10 years early (not 12) would make overall buy-out a lot larger than OU and Texas.

@@trevorhoneycutt8718 again, they have *12 years* left on the contract. Then they would have to buy back their media rights on top of the exit fees.

@@volbound1700 they’re contract is up after the 2035-2036 school year. If they want to be in another league in 2024, that means they’re leaving twelve seasons early (2024-2035 seasons)

@@lazyakers You obviously understand math. 😂

You have NO IDEA what you are talking about Thankfully ESPN is not that DUMB Try thinking about what you are saying. If ESPN moves schools out of the SEC and into the ACC that OPENS UP the ACC to be raided by the BIG... so CLEARLY that move means ESPN LOSES some portion of the ACC... that is SOMETHING to lose not NOTHING. ESPN makes MORE MONEY off of the ACC than they do off of the SEC because they are PARTNERS in the ACC Network which they have invested a combined $3.84 BILLION in building... money that would be LOST... that is SOMETHING not NOTHING Not to mention that the SCHOOLS in the ACC that would leave will StILL OWE the schools they leave behind 13 years of payments for EVERY PENNY they earn from TV in that time. It is NOT money that ESPN would owe ITSELF as some people think. These schools would earn NOTHING from TV Games for 13 years. Having the ACC broken up is a LOSE LOSE scenario for ESPN All ESPN has to do to keep BOTH the ACC and SEC INTACT is INCREASE ACC Revenue and after this year ESPN will free up AND USE $16 Million per ACC school to do just that. ESPN will also get everything they have been spending on the PAC and BIG available to FIX the ACC permanently. They will EXPAND the ACC with the best available Brands and Markets to FIX IT and PAY the ACC its NEW VALUE. 10 years from now ESPN could move some ACC schools to the SEC if it wanted to. But not now. And even then it will be smarter to RAID the best of the XII again to add more content under the ESPN Banner

Yes, but football is where the money is. North Carolina and Duke's football teams make more money than their basketball teams.

@@richardstephens5570 I would suggest those are still basketball schools. Without knowledge of the facts, I presume the larger football stadiums with more seats is the reason for higher revenue.

​@richardstephens5570 I think of the two as basketball schools and not a big 10 type , farmers' college

I agree. Clemson and Georgia should play every year again like they use to.

​@@chandler2miami is not on the south???? Dude shut up lol they are the most souther city in the US. Stop it. Miami gets the eyes to watch stop the hate on miami. The best brands to come out of the ACC are clemson, fsu, Miami, and either VT or UNC. Those are the programs that have actually won or shared a natty. Unc came very close at one point. And have put out some nfl talent in the league.

Nobody wants GT 😂

Miami hates the sec. Paul finebaum said some terrible stuff about them. Big 10 is where it's at.

@@battles423 My problem with the current realignment is that the fortunes of college football programs rise and fall regularly. Clemson, recently invincible, is now having a tough year. GT has won a natty in my lifetime. Kirby Smart lost to Vanderbilt in his first season at UGA. Things change. Who knew that Missouri would have such a good year? What will happen to Michigan if Harbaugh goes to the pros? Just trying to grab the best teams at a particular point in time without regard to historic rivalries and regional passions seems short sighted.

In Mike Bianchi's world. FYI, he is an A-hole columnist for the Orlando Sentinel that wrote a column in 2014 saying the SEC replace Ole Miss and Miss State with UCF and USF. That season, Miss State went to the Orange Bowl, and Ole Miss to the Peach Bowl.

They aren't going to say it, but Nil is hurting the Sec, the Acc did well against them this year and Nil is helping teams like Miami and VT come back. There was nothing special about the Sec this year and that includes Alabama and Georgia. It looks to me the Sec has maybe seen their hayday. TX and OU coming in will help, but the traditional Sec teams are hurting. The Acc is recruiting really well inspite of what they say. They are landing portal players. Teams like Bama will not be able to stock pile as many as other schools pull players from them. Their talent level is already diminished. They would have had more losses in the Acc this year. Fsu is making a really bad decision, because they are hurting financially because they are paying HC they fired plus the present regime. That's my opinion.

@@garlandalmarode6396 I agree, and have said that I feel like it is helping the non blue bloods entice highly rated 2nd stringers to make the move, and start elsewhere. In fact I have seen it happen quite a bit last year and this year.

ACC now = ALL Coast Conference

I agree. Especially with the possibility of Disney selling off ESPN. Makes it all more complicated should that happen.

The Sec and Big 10 are made for TV production. Neither as good as portrayed while the Acc isn't as bad as portrayed. It's smoke and mirrors for the espn clowns. Bama and Georgia dominate the Sec then they want to tell us how good the teams are they beat every year. They are very mediocre is what they are.

Both sound like good ideas, and good for the sport on the first one. However, neither is probably realistic. the first idea requires teams to break GORs that as we know carry huge buyouts, and no B1G school is leaving, it’s the best academic fellowship and it makes the most money that won’t change, just to many eyeballs on the existing teams in the B1G. The second idea seems logical, but it’s probably not realistic legally. The choice teams that Disney would want to move would all have to agree simultaneously to go to together while voiding the GOR with a majority, some teams wouldn’t go for it fearing a worse outcome like what is happening to Wazzu, Oregon state, and Cal Berkeley. and some would choose to go to the B1G almost certainly anyway. Just because Disney owns the rights to both conferences doesn’t give them legal grounds to forcibly move teams from one to another, the moment they allow anyone to move legal grounds are established for any team to choose where they go. It’s basically a catch 22 for Disney and The ACC as a conference in general. Do nothing and watch your programs fall behind financially. Allow renegotiation (unlikely even hypothetically because Disney likes the price , it’s bargain bin) and once again legal grounds to leave are established. FSU, Clemson and UNC might pony up the Exit fee know if they could recoup the loss as sure fire additions two either big revenue conference. or wait it out and be able to survive as legitimate programs because of the overall prestige and backing independent of TV revenue, but basically everyone else will die a slow death and as this becomes apparent after so many years. eventually the necessary votes will be there to abolish the GOR, sure BC and Wake might not ever do it because they are basically G5 level programs, but even Louisville and Syracuse and Pitt eventually will, as they know the B12 would likely take them. We will see how it all shakes out.

I doubt Notre Dame would join the ACC though that would definitely be the best move forward. There is no feasible way the ACC gets ANY of those schools to leave their conference. The Big 12 has a lot of hype and better competition and the Big 10 is making WAY more money than ACC so there's no way they consider moving to the ACC. It would be great for ACC, but impossible.

Amazon now.

I suspect that the ACC's deal requires linear exposure, and Amazon/Apple can't provide that.

Why would Penn State and Maryland leave the B1G and their $100 million dollar a year deal to join a pitiful conference that's falling apart? Maryland left for a reason and Clemson and FSU should have done the same.

FSU would be even better. That brand sells itself and will only get stronger with more resources. Look how good they are doing in recruiting right now without a championship in 10 seasons.

​@@tnole99naw clemson would he better and half of the recruits on your fsu is from the transfer portal. Stop it clemson performs better and will do better. We already getting the better recruits out of Florida for a decade now. And I would almost wager and say miami will he a major player in the SEC too

Clemson sadly would be a mid tier team in the SEC

Clemson wouldn't do shi in the sec but I woudlnt mind them coming 😭

@@samsnyder4433 That's what a lot of Alabama fans said in 2018. How'd that season turn out? That's right, Alabama got throttled by Clemson in the Natty.

Very unlikely MIAMI goes SEC, and it voted for the dilutive +3 apparently to sate ND.

Most of those games are already happening regardless. Clemson plays unc and USC every year already. FSU plays Florida every year. FSU plays Miami most years. USC plays UNC once every few or couple of years. Miami and the UF is the one that you don’t see much of but the rest of that we literally already see

@@jcsandstorm919FSU plays Miami and UF every year. In the past twenty years, I’ve only seen Miami v UF play twice..

@@21bluefins 4 times actually, 5 if you include 2003 since the year just turned. With two games scheduled in 24 and 25. But okie doke bud

@@21bluefins also I said miami and UF was the one we don’t see much of so I truly don’t understand your argument. And it was wrong lol if you’re gonna argue at least be correct

That used to be the case, but you see how the SEC added another TX school. Don't be surprised if the SEC adds Clemson, FSU, UNC/NC St, and UVA/VA Tech

@BB-uu9oo that's a true point, however it was the grand prize - Texas. FSU and Clemson don't have nearly that size and gravitas. SEC took Texas A&M so they could one day make the case to take Texas.

​@@pfpvilanohell naw you bugging out. They took ou and Texas because it was easier and OU is a football on the field winner and bug brand. Texas right now is just a huge brand. Clemson has both as you can see. We are recruiting and getting great players from the state of Texas. And Texas recruiting classes have been behind clemson too for a while. Plus clemson has played the SEC more times than any other school outside of the conference. UGA and clemson used to play every year. Oof conference games set up with Florida in the coming years. Played auburn several times last decade or so. And SC every year. So cut it out.

They would go to the b10 because of academics but on point they don’t need fsu or Clemson

I think the SEC will be at a disadvantage with both UNC & Virginia when it comes to competing with the Big Ten in terms of expansion. Both of those schools are in the AAU (Association of American Universities) and are highly ranked academically like all the BigTen schools (including the 4 new PAC12 programs joining) that are also in the AAU. UNC is ranked #29 & Virginia is ranked #25 in academics nationally. Their leadership will see themselves as a much better fit with Big Ten as academics is a big thing for both and the university Presidents there will lean that way. It's going to have to be a lot more than a few million dollars to get them to lean in the SEC direction if the Big Ten opens its door.

Good. FSU to the BIG10 anyway! And BTW... that will be a HUGE mistake... letting the BIG10 into the state of Florida, it would truly be a national conference... as opposed to the Hillbilly league lol

@@rlhaff3560 Adler's family dynamics: The more children you have, the more diluted down the intellectual environment of the family unit becomes.....enjoy your diluted environment.

that's what she said?

Nobody saw a conference DISAPPEARING OVERNIGHT like the PAC-12 did, rather than fade out of relevance like the old Big East/AAC. That could speed your vision forward a year or two, along with a 12 team playoff (which I think is wholly immoral).

We gotta stop killing off these conferences. First the pac 12, now possibly the ACC...this is getting out of hand.

The +3 is a GOR breach unless the objectors are kept whole over 10+ years and through several "look ins". See TX/OK.

@tarheel7406 Don't understand a word you said but the ACC GOR ain't gonna be broken anytime soon or later.

You're correct. Plus it would almost zero value to the conference as that footprint has been plowed. Now, if the B10 were to land anyone on the southern east coast that would make sense It's all about $$$

All 133 FBS college football teams should just go into the SEC in my opinion

They are both in the west. Florida State and Clemson could join the East and have 9 schools per East/West areas.

@@LifewithLucy.2019 HELLO. Divisions are GONE. They don't EXIST anymore

No way the SEC can't counter the B10 move with Oregon and Washington and Clemson and FSU bring the most eyeballs and TV viewership. They also have the most SEC like fan bases and stadiums along with they have been very competitive against SEC competition.

MD bailed because its Athletic Dept was broke.

Big12 will have a spot for Miami. Could also be the B1G’s plan B if they don’t get FSU. Mentioning the latter 3 before Clemson is odd

@@GuthboxFSU will never go Big 12

​@@Guthboxmiami isn't going to the big 12 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@@aclayhosuton I know. I’m saying Miami would be the B1G’s fallback if the SEC were to make a move and acquire FSU. They wouldn’t spend the money to break the GOR for a lateral move

@@pnut3844able You’re in for a rude awakening buddy… Miami isn’t even a top 3 add for ACC properties. SEC/B1G would rather acquire FSU/Clemson/UNC than you. Big dogs move first and you get the scraps.

Apparently Notre Dame still likes being independent. As long as they've got a contract with NBC, they'll be fine.

Big ten in my opinion. The B1G have their usc rival already locked up, and michigan is a huge rivalry when they play their on and off again years. Joining the conference would make it yearly. Also michigan state and Purdue are also big ones for the Irish. If the big can get Stanford, then it's almost a wrap that notre dame would come.

No that is the BUYOUT from the ACC. The GOR is $700 Million with the Buyout on top of that. But you are right. It's not happening.

I wonder if all the teams at once just decided to leave. The acc wouldn't be able to collect anything lol. You probably have all the athletic directors behind the scenes working up a plan to bail on the acc at once lol.

@@jcelldogs There is nowhere to go for more than half of them

Sure it can. No rivalry is safe in realignment.

An ACC/BIG12 would lower the average media value of the ACC members.

They are likely top 3 on SEC's list. If SEC doesn't get UNC, I can see NC State getting the nod.

Wrong it’s not all about sports it’s also about academics unc fits with the b10

@@williambush4060% true it’s about cultural fits North Carolina is a Southerner state culturally and identity wise amongst the fans and kids there and the SEC will get into North Carolina regardless and destroy NorthCarolina by putting their money into NC State and all those kids in NC would go there as it’s a Southern State. North Carolina would be committing the death penalty to their athletics recruiting just like any other schools that would join the B10 that’s in the south that’s what happened to Georgia Tech after it left the SEC and same thing would happen to Virginia as the SEC would then take Virginia Tech to take out Virginia

@@williambush406That’s why the SEC is more worried about FSU and Clemson they know they’re getting into NC and Virginia regardless and will destroy the NorthCarolina and Virginia if they don’t fall in line by getting their rivals in the same State the only way the SEC losses anything is FSU and Clemson go to the B10

@@williambush406Then again if FSU does that they would be committing athletic’s death too cuz the SEC would then go after Miami and they already have Florida so most of those ACC teams are forced to walk the line and join or have to deal with SEC schools 10minutes across town recruiting southern kids to play in the south or play in the North for no reason other then the University making money for it’s self not them.

ESPN is silly posting this, they can’t allow teams to move from the ACC to the SEC just because they own both contracts, allowing anyone to leave means they can go where they choose. This is fairly obvious legally.

@@hummushero9428not if contracts are involved they can make them go to the SEC

@@AaronCaldwell. they definitely can’t. Unless there was a clause in the original contract that states Disney can move teams as they choose between the two conferences. Which is virtually impossible. They also can’t just let some move and not others. All teams would have to agree individually to A) dissolve or B) switch conferences, also C) the SEC teams would need a majority vote to allow it. A contract is binding both ways, they can’t force anything that wasn’t agreed upon in the original signed document. You don’t need to be a Lawyer to understand this.

Grantofrights belongs to the ACC not ESPN@@hummushero9428

Duke doesn’t bring the football revenue. Basketball doesn’t mean anything in this discussion

No Duke in the Big 10. Football doesn't make it.

Vandy needs to be in academic conference with Duke, Rice, and Northwestern. If Stanford and Cal were closer that would be better.

⁠@@Butler_BuckDuke football probably has a better shot than Miami in the B1G nowadays😂 Mike Elko owns Coral Gables

Why would the B1G want Vandy and why would Vandy leave the SEC. The academics at FSU want the B1G. The FSU fans want the SEC. What does FSU really do for the SEC? Invitation will be a defensive move to block B1G.

A super conference that rarely wins anything, but they shouldn't let the truth get in the way of a good story. We know they never do at Espn.

@@garlandalmarode6396 And yet, four historically great academic Universities decided to leave the Pac 12 to join the Big Ten, which is the highest ranked academic conference in college football! Only one member of the newly expanded Big Ten is not a member of the AAU, Nebraska. So, the difference is the Big Ten starts with Academics while the SEC starts with players that couldn't sniff a college campus, or graduate from high school, if it wasn't for football. Now there are more SEC schools who have raised standards for academics, Florida for one. Which shows the trade-off of being a University that plays football, and other sports, or a football team that plays on a College campus. Priority's will always have a price! For the four Pac 12 schools the price is they will make more money while not lowering their standards! Win-Win.

TWO mega-conferences. The B1G and SEC will end up with ALL the major brands.

A peer P3 is no longer feasible.

a) UCONN and GONA will only join the BIG12 in full, and the B12 has used it pro rata slots and has to self-finance G5s. b) If the BIG12 separated from the rest, the rest would say good luck. c) No feasible chain of events ends with UNC in the BIG12.

More and more reporters are confirming that UNC is the top ACC target for both the SEC and B1G. Hope you're right though, as I prefer UNC go to the SEC if it must move.

@@tarheel7406 I don't care about the SEC as a Miami fan who lives here in Florida! The B10 makes more money than the SEC. The B10 is now national! They come into the South aka Florida with Miami and FSU, they will be truly national from coast to coast in every region. That is something the tv partners are going to want because of the matchups. Contray to SEC fans, without USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, Miami and FSU in the conference currently, they have more fans and alums that the current SEC teams. That is why they make more money than the SEC. Also, the matchup of Miami and FSU playing Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Nebraska, Wisconsin, USC and UCLA will be national rating gold that the B10 tv partners will love and want for their tv slots on a weekly basis. Another thing, here in Florida, there are a ton of B10 fans and alums living here in this state. They moved here the last 20 plus years. I'm from the Chicagoland aka MidWest. Also, recruiting. The B10 would be closer to Florida with Miami and FSU than California with USC and UCLA. The base B10 schools recruit Florida already, they will be able to recruit more because they can tell Florida kids, we will play Miami and FSU in Florida or at home in their 3 to 5 year CFB career!

@@arronfrazier7873 a) The B1G will wane to #2 in money and power if it just adds MIAMI/FSu. b) National is not an asset Won't bother with the rest, as you never learn and haven't adjusted for recent actual events.

@@tarheel7406 No, it will not! The B10 is in every region except the South! They have the 1#, 4#, 5#, 6# and 7# most populated states. They footprint is in the cities of LA, NYC, Chicago, Washington, Philly, SF/Oakland! The 3# largest state is Florida with multiple top 20 tv markets!

@@arronfrazier7873 The B1G wants and must expand south for the long-term, but actual evidences indicates it won't be with CLEMSON and/or FSU. Your failure to account for actual events illustrates your bias. You are predicting what you want to happen regardless of the evidence. In contrast, I am predicting what I don't want to happen because of the evidence.

How does Virginia Tech bring no value? The population of Virginia is 8.6 million. That would be a huge new market for the SEC.

My prediction? Boston College to the SEC!!!

100% agree.

@@beaujac311Virginia Tech and North Carolina State will get in 100% if North Carolina and Virginia go to the B10 their done for athletics wise cuz VT and NC State will just tell the Southern Kids they recruit in their state to play in the South where they’re from or play up north for no reason. The SEC is not worried regardless they will get in to the NC and Virginia market those schools better be smart enough to see what’s going to happen if they don’t fall in line.

And Miami will get in the SEC is not going to add just 2 teams next expansion Greg already said if the SEC moves again it’s going to be because the B10 did and they will do something big to counter that being 6-8 teams next time guaranteed. FSU, Clemson, UNC, Miami, Louisville, GT, Virginia, & VT(orDuke). If Virginia and UNC don’t fall in line it would be VT, and NC State/Duke

B1G don't want FSU and Clemson. If they take 4 teams it will be UVA, UNC, GT and Miami (all AAU schools). FSU and Clemson will go to the SEC.

@nerinamak3298 I think FSU is now AAU. To me they would take FSU, Unc, Uva, and GT. SEC would take Clemson, Ncst, VT, and Miami if Acc folds.

@@paulmkzno skin sack. The SEC will have first dibs of the top tier ACC teams. The fans, boosters and some administrators would prefer SEC due to southern proximity. The academic aspect is way overblown. If it wasn’t, Stanford ans Cal would be BIG members instead of ACC partials.

I'm thinking it has to be unanimous....

Clemson replaces South Carolina they are garbage

Mizzou & Vanderbilt not going anywhere

Yes, BIG has everything but football teams that can defeat teams from the SEC. When the South ended segregation, and the black athletes stayed in the South, the Big was done.

no they're not

@@rreagan007 explain

@@williambush406 It's not going to happen this week because of the grant of rights and exit fee. It could happen in 10 years or so.

@@rreagan007 they can leave it just cost a lot

Didn't age well.

In 2036?

Tell yourself that

Keep lying to yourself

The recent expansion practically assures losing the 3 objectors.

Yep. Athletic scandal actually.

LMAO stupid AF

Dude, I don't even watch BBall and you have no clue as UNC is NOT the UNC of old. Very beatable these days. That said - UNC will always stay where Duke is. Neither leaving.

Duke. UVA. Wake. Syracuse. The ACC would be fine.

@@ld4974uva would leave with unc

And uva would follow unc together so your not wrong

UVA would follow unc to the big10 because of the academic level

A peer P3 is no longer feasible.

Big10 won't offer Virginia Tech

Can you speak English?

I think Clemson has beaten Alabama a couple times Lately, and has owned South Carolina until the gift this year !! Clemson has fared very well against Auburn and Georgia and LSU in the past.