This should be illegal… - Manufacturers are swapping SSD components
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Bait & switch is a common deception technique that's as old as time itself, but usually it's only seen being done by bad actors. What if I told you that this is happening today, right now, on sites like Amazon and Newegg, with some of the best selling SSDs?
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro
1:50 The SX8200 Pro's claims
2:32 Reddit
3:16 What actually determines SSD performance?
4:52 Our drive variants
5:57 Benchmarks
7:06 Why is ADATA doing this?
8:42 The core issue
9:25 This has happened before
10:27 Should SSDs have a performance standard?
11:58 Outro
@marcinwolcendorf3821 2 роки тому
"Who cares for the 10% difference" - well, the producers, apparently, since they're not lowering the price by 10%.
@thegreatfomo 2 роки тому
Capitalist sympathizers should be forced to pay the difference.
@sophiacristina 2 роки тому
@@thegreatfomo What it have to do with capitalism? The free-market makes competition and the better companies will beat those bad companies (like said in the video, Samsung is doing the best, this kind of propaganda and costumer trust is what beats those bad apples, not leftist politics). I can bet your leftist politics wouldn't make things better, since it never did and never will... And the biggest problem of those things aren't capitalism, it is because there is always a "hand of the government" over it. And why you leftist always needs to push up your political propaganda everywhere? Everybody is tired of you guys, you guys are the memes of the internet... I never saw a leftist that truly understand economics.
@thegreatfomo 2 роки тому
@@sophiacristina Free market? Lol. I don't think so. In a free market non essentials don't get to sit at home with their thumbs up their butts living off the essential workers who just happened to make the correct life choices and now were forced to support those who were "working" from home or didn't have a job altogether. What we need is a political party to get rid of those non essentials, they are a drain on society.
@sophiacristina 2 роки тому
@@thegreatfomo How does they have to support those who were working from home? Are they obligated to pay those who work from home? Aren't they better paid than those? Aren't they free to choose another job? Do you think government regulating it would make it better? If they were a drain to society, in the free-market, nobody would pay them and they would get bankrupt, what makes them survive is that government pay for big companies to not get bankrupt, that is the opposite of free-market. Such a naive... Nobody is forced to nothing, people pay what they like and what they want, are you going to control the consumers choice? Are you jealous that some people receive more interest than you? What is your job? Let me see if i think it is essential or if i would pay you by my FREEDOM OF CHOICE!
@starstudio8402 2 роки тому
@@thegreatfomo that “capitalism sympathizer” line sounds like something you would hear in a propaganda poster
@GregDickinson75 2 роки тому
A good rule of thumb when reading any advertising is to replace "up to" with "less than".
@PSYCHOV3N0M 2 роки тому
Like HDMI 2.1 consoles. "UP TO" 4K 120fps.
@RRR3000gaming 2 роки тому
@@PSYCHOV3N0M imo that's different in that it's not up to the console manufacturer. Here, the SSDs are "up to", depending on the components they themselves use to make the SSD. The consoles are advertised as "up to" 4k120hz, and are build by the manufacturer to support that. It's third party developers that then determine the actual output depending on how optimized their game is, which results in different games implementing different solutions (some even offering a lower res/fps but better graphics, higher res/fps but lower graphics toggle).
@asedian9708 2 роки тому
@@PSYCHOV3N0M Most games can not run at the highest resolution AND highest frame rate simultaneously. Also, you won't be able to if you don't have a 4K 120Hz display. So the "UP TO" makes sense, it's supported but not a requirement for game developers.
@kibe2134 2 роки тому
That's actually a good tip.
@carlosascanio7143 2 роки тому
amen brother
@xerowolf4242 Рік тому
I've always hated when spec numbers say "*up to". I feel that companies should state minimum performance expectations for products like this and be held accountable for lying if they fail to meet those expectations.
@donnelwaddledee965 Рік тому
They love lying by ommission if it means getting away with price markups
@capnobvious2718 Рік тому
And people should be forced to buy quality components if they want those specs in real world. Quit buying cheap PSUs and MBs. Use a UPS. You want the manufacturers to play ball while you sit on the bench or not even show up to the game! See it ALL THE TIME. CHEAP P.O.S. PSUs especially.
@propheteyebert7063 Рік тому
"We guarantee that our product will not perform better than this" ---- proper interpretation of "up to"
@mwbgaming28 Рік тому
@@capnobvious2718 not everyone can afford it, I use nearly 10yo hardware because it's cheaper and still does what I need it to do, I haven't got thousands of dollars to buy brand new top of the line parts
@Tenchigumi Рік тому
This is where I give Sony's Memory Stick format some props. While contemporary SD Cards often advertised higher maximum transfer speeds than Memory Stick on paper, Sony actually listed their Memory Stick _minimum_ transfer speeds, while SD Cards generally do not (and also rarely, if ever, even approach their theoretical maximum speeds). This means that despite their lower max speeds, Memory Sticks were far more likely to perform at their adverised level of performance, and also outperformed comparable SD Cards in real-world usage. It's too bad the format is proprietary and costs so damn much.
@gund2281 2 роки тому
First of all, "bait-and-switch" sales tactics ARE indeed illegal. Believe me, I'm in the sewing machine industry and this industry was one of the biggest abusers of bait-and-switch back in the day. The problem is...PROVING it is quite difficult. Especially in this area where the data and specifications are so subjective. You mentioned the "up to 3500 MB/s" thing. It really is the sleazy way around some of that. Thankfully, channels like this one exist in order to at least try and hold these manufacturers accountable.
@rendomstranger8698 2 роки тому
I'm pretty sure "up to" is only legal when the advertised speeds can be reached. If they can't be reached, it's still false advertising.
@Treddian 2 роки тому
@@rendomstranger8698 I think you're right, if it can be proven. I think the obvious hardware changes which LTT has pointed out go a long way in establishing that some drives cannot, under even ideal circumstances, reach their advertised speeds.
@MamaMOB Рік тому
According to his title he’s accusing these corporations of swapping components. That’s easy to prove. Just open two of them up. If they don’t have the same components it’s bait and switch!
@mikec2745 Рік тому
Hey man if I bought a rain suit for my motorcycle riding. I only have a motorcycle not a car so I have to worry about the crazy storms that pop up out of nowhere here in florida. Can I shorten that rain suit because I think it was meant for tall people and I'm not tall at all.
@RobotronSage Рік тому
Misleading advertising is also illegal
@ratuldeoun7228 2 роки тому
Manufacturers: *"We're going to pretend we didn't see this"*
@l33tify_86 2 роки тому
@be good why?
@callistoarmy5576 2 роки тому
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@MixedVictor 2 роки тому
@be good haram arab funny better (he deleted and said a link that send to stupid tranquility videos)
@thomb.9013 2 роки тому
yep, profit margin got im the way of thier vision
@nothuman5335 2 роки тому
@@callistoarmy5576 no
@gregbillhill 2 роки тому
This is real investigative journalism. Keep calling them out, the world needs to hear it!
@OtherDalfite 2 роки тому
Linus was brave and did something.
@dertythegrower 2 роки тому
Big respect for calling out the cheating corporations who use false advertising money to create a false image for themselves online, especially big tech lately
@Pratik53101 2 роки тому
Hi
@Wylie288 2 роки тому
@@dertythegrower You know what. Most of the time. Its just bullshit and consumers are wrong. but this time im surprised to see. This isn't a consumer ignorance problem but its actually false advertising. The world really is ending holy shit
@timsanders7632 2 роки тому
i really enjoyed this also! we need more videos like this from LTT
@blipoop1 2 роки тому
This video posted in June - It's like Samsung watched and it went "Wow, you guys were swapping parts without telling us we could do that too?" Samsung got discovered swapping out parts in August.
@smilemore1997 Рік тому
You're joking? What are they doing this with? All of their devices?
@fortsmith1603 Рік тому
Swapping out parts is not the issue here, if you watch the video to the end you'll notice Linus states that specifically. There is no issue with swapping out parts for other brands and not advertising it, the problem is when parts are swapped and they no longer meet the specification of the original. Its perfectly fine to swap parts, and its an industry standard practice dating back to the beginning of the computer industry, as long as the swapped part is as good as the part its replacing.
@justrosy5 Рік тому
Thanks for bringing that up! I was going to buy a Samsung SSD, now I won't bother!
@bingokemski4473 Рік тому
@@fortsmith1603 They did have a performance decline, I'm not sure where you got your information from, but it's definitely not from here.
@fortsmith1603 Рік тому
@@bingokemski4473 Your not reading what I posted accurately, or what linus himself has said in this video even. im not saying that there was no performance decrease, what I said was normally meaning in most circumstances it is perfectly okay and legal to substitute parts for equivalent alternatives, and is done regularly without issue, and is nothing to worry about. Obviously in this case they are cheating the end user, but the point im trying to make is NORMALLY there is nothing wrong with parts substitutions, so long as the substituted part meets or exceeds advertised specs. NORMALLY!!!
@Klokopf52 Рік тому
So i bought a SP A55 Sata SSD earlier this week, specifically because it was advertised as having a certain Phison controller, which for my use case is literally the best DRAM less Controller out there. The drive i got uses a 2 year older Silicon Motion Controller that misses some key features of the phison. Given that the Controller was explicitly named on the sales page i am thinking of returning it, simply because i feel lied to.
@10chipmunk Рік тому
Do it, you paid for something other than what you received.
@applefanXXX Рік тому
Idk where you live but in the UK at least returning things is so easy and you'd without a doubt be able to get your money back from the seller/retailer, or your bank would step in and refund it anyways!
@maxiiscoots7631 Рік тому
Id even be reporting it to the correct governing bodies for where you come from
@charleshines7282 Рік тому
Just be sure to tell them exactly how you feel. I strongly urge ALL people who have had these bait and switches happen to complain and sue for false advertisement. Make it a similar class action lawsuit similar to the one Western Digital and their competitors found themselves in when they sold SMR drives without disclosing that they are SMR. I wonder how many people lost time and money because they had those slow SMR drives and did not know. Imagine not having a lot of time to get work done and having that happen. Or worse imagine rebuilding a RAID array and having those in it. Oh the horror of it all!! It would not only take an inexcusably long length of time but that is just more chances for things to go wrong causing data loss. The irony there is that a RAID array was supposed to prevent that loss!! SMR drives are not inferior, they are just good for backups mostly. If you made one your system drive it might make the swap file agonizingly slow all while slowly killing the drive!! What is the difference in manufacturing cost between the two controllers anyhow? It most likely was not enough of a difference to justify that absolute blatant false advertising!! It really does irk me when they downgrade things over a nickel in price and try to make these switches. It is bad enough at times trying to get a fair price on some electronic items with scalpers buying whatever they can to control the supply and force anyone who wants them to pay a huge markup. Who wants to pay $1500 or more for an RTX 3060? Imagine paying the same 500% markup to find that the SSD you bought for one reason and that being performance for the price turned out to be something in reality different. Now suddenly that 500% markup feels more like 1000% and was in no way the part you thought you were getting. Every time we get a bait and switch we must show them how we feel about it. Maybe we need to create an organization that deals with these things and exposes ALL manufacturers who do these things. They would peel the label off and look at the part the chips. You know why they don't want you do take the label off? They just don't want you to see what you really got.
@charleshines7282 Рік тому
@N why? It is time we start doing that and hold them accountable for selling things that are not what was expected. If it is in reality a differently performing drive it should be advertised as such or at least not made slower without lowering the price and changing the model number. If they are out of stock on a particular item it is OK to be honest and tell us rather than quietly substituting slower or inferior parts.
@CPLBSS88 2 роки тому
This is why technical, detailed and INDEPENDENT reviews are important.
@henrik.norberg 2 роки тому
That don't help if they change the product AFTER the review! We can't expect the reviewers to test every product once a month. This should be prosecuted as fraud with a fine 10x the revenue for the product!
@ZeldagigafanMatthew 2 роки тому
@@henrik.norberg Unfortunately, those with the means make the politicians pass laws that limit fines like this. I would love to put these companies into significant debt for stepping this far out of line, but the penny pinching lobbying they do means it's more economical to do this scummy activity and pay whatever piddly fine if and when they do get caught. But, the question I have, is this ACTUALLY illegal? Not should it be (after all, it's a different product with different core parts being sold as the same thing, this isn't like we're selling two cars under the same name when they only have a different paintjob). And my guess is no.
@tobyli52 2 роки тому
Independent? Really?
@Ammarx1 2 роки тому
@@henrik.norberg tomshardware re-reviews the products if they changed something significant.
@qinlian8134 2 роки тому
I know its hard to tell
@LonelySandwich 2 роки тому
My god if it wasn’t for social media imagine all the bs companies would be unknowingly getting away with today.
@realbento 2 роки тому
It aways happened. Its the rule not exception
@Qtechbh 2 роки тому
Imagine that - no cancel culture, no censorship, no propaganda, no social division, no depressions and phone addictions for the millenials... I'd trade all the social media there is for the 90s and early 2000s to come back and undo the damage it has done...
@Bremend 2 роки тому
White collar crime (this isn't an example of it, just something else companies would get away with)
@NDKfrl 2 роки тому
@@Qtechbh You think there was no propaganda, social division or censorship before social media? Oh you sweet summer child.
@Bremend 2 роки тому
@@Qtechbh you're comment was going somewhat well unless you said "phone addictions for millennials" and that really showed a deeper insight into your thought process
@YnIanIo 2 роки тому
Finally! Someone with a lot of influence using it for good! Telling people to stop buying their products will force these companies to stop these practices.
@vashstampede8523 2 роки тому
Fuck that. We need to punish them hard. Don't buy at all. Get ssd from another company.
@quadcarnage8462 Рік тому
Class action lawsuit (along with all the bad press that comes with it) is the only thing that would make a real impact IMO.
@adamgarlow5347 Рік тому
Nearly a year later and when buying a new nvme ssd yesterday, I specifically excluded these brands because of this video. Hopefully brands realize that when they are caught engaging in scummy practices, potential consumers will remember.
@carsonwilliams Рік тому
Same 😂 just got a new SSD and these the companies were just not options in my head
@CommanderJPS Рік тому
im hunting around now for an ssd... =) another lost consumer for these companies
@willitivity Рік тому
I'm about buying an XPG GAMMIX S11 PRO, but seeing this video, I'm double minded now. What brand did you get please?
@carsonwilliams Рік тому
@@willitivity brands like Samsung and crucial have been solid for me personally
@willitivity Рік тому
@@carsonwilliams Do you advise I get the Samsung Evo 970 plus? But it doesn't come with a heatsink like the xpg gammix s11 pro.
@harrisonjr98 2 роки тому
Some deja vu here. This has been happening for years, and it’s a shame. Glad to see the LTT signal boost calling out this behavior!
@PLxFTW 2 роки тому
Signal Boost is a great name for a tech oriented whistleblower supporting organization
@Knebebelmeyer 2 роки тому
its not only with ssd! i brought Corsair Platinum DDR4 few years ago on amazon...then, 2 years later i want to brought exactly the same ones.Same part nr. even same amazon link! What i get, was a Corsair Platinum that changed from dual ranked to single! i my point of view its scam!
@mangshu21 2 роки тому
Why would u trust anyone who doesnt make their own nand?? Get scammed.
@siripfreely 2 роки тому
@@Knebebelmeyer well with ram most brands don't make their own dram modules. Crucial does (Micron owns them) but the other major manufacturers (Samsung, Hynix, Nanya) don't sell enthusiast RAM themselves. For RAM of certain specific specs you are guaranteed the same IC (for example 3200CL14 is always Samsung B die) but if you are buying lower spec RAM like 3200CL16 then it just uses whatever was cheapest/available at the time.
@siripfreely 2 роки тому
@@mangshu21 SSD brands that make their own NAND: Samsung, Hynix, Crucial (Micron), Toshiba, WD (Sandisk).
@TiagoTiagoT 2 роки тому
"Who cares about a 10% difference?" Well, if they think that difference doesn't matter, then they should be advertising the lower value to avoid the hassle of dealing with "nitpickers"...
@achtsekundenfurz7876 2 роки тому
them: "Who cares about a 10% difference?" me: _pays 10% less_ them: "Wait that's illegal!"
@vladimirseven777 2 роки тому
Difference between intel's CPU per generation was near 3% for many years. So 10% is huge number.
@soylentgreenb 2 роки тому
If they don't care about a 10% difference, they'd be fine with me paying 10% less right?
@Vysair 2 роки тому
10% will be big when you are moving huge data
@n.d.3779 2 роки тому
Let's raise Corporate Tax 10% any see if they care...
@althor9997 Рік тому
I remember moving into my first apartment and having Comcast. I was paying for 75Mb/s, but never got more than 20. I hounded them for months before they finally replaced the cables coming into the building and got me up to speed. I can't believe the fcc still let's these companies use such a loose standard
@briantimms6528 Рік тому
a few years ago, Austalian NBN Co and "resellers" where caught out with their sale speeds, 25/50/100Mbit speeds, and the copper capacity and infrastructure for some of the lines couldnt handle it, yet the providers still charged for it. there was huge outcry when word got out, massive fines for resellers, and then they where forced to disclose the "expected throughput" of the data. Even the CVC ratios meaning that if you paid for 100Mbit, you only ever got an average of 87Mbit between peak-times. (all has to be disclosed now). Sad we got to this point, no more honest companies out there
@raistlarn Рік тому
You want bad. I had to get the FCC involved when it came to AT&T. Well my internet would shut off every day from 9am to 6pm due to the phone lines being 40-60+ years old and AT&T refused (until the government got involved) to replace them. Now my internet works at the crappy 10Mb/s...which ironically is faster than what I was getting before my internet issues happened.
@zycklacon9588 11 місяців тому
@@raistlarn AT&T has to be the most shittiest company ever, Jesus, they won't ever change
@kenfarrell9531 Рік тому
This has been going on for years. I remember buying a mother board for its ability to overclock as reported in all the reviews. Once I had it, and it didn’t overclock at all, I went onto the forums, turns out the boards sent for reviewers were using special pre production chips and the production boards were inferior. Company response: 🤷🏼♀️
@mrbuttocks6772 9 місяців тому
That's bait-and-switch marketing. Which is ILLEGAL!
@AnwarHaikalRuslan 2 роки тому
Can confirm in Southeast Asia. When I went to a PC store 3 months ago, the owner was selling three variants of ADATA XPG SSDs (same box, same model) at different price points because he said there are performance differences. I didn't understood it then until Linus explained it now.
@ikjadoon 2 роки тому
That's an honest seller.
@siripfreely 2 роки тому
Sounds like a store worth supporting.
@endonyxoneaudio8644 2 роки тому
but how the hell did he figure that out then ? a bit much to test and compare them all in store right :D
@MrWakatuts 2 роки тому
Can you share the store name? That's a trustworthy one
@Xamy- 2 роки тому
What a good seller
@Bf--em4ky 2 роки тому
Man, this kind of things are why I'm glad channels like LTT exist, a normal customer like me who doesn't have 8 ssd to test would have just gotten screwed at full retail price.
@BF-109 2 роки тому
My Man
@ashkebora7262 2 роки тому
Vote for people that want to strengthen the CFPB. Then you won't have to know anything for these ploys to get found out and punished properly.
@shaun6828 2 роки тому
This issue wouldn't really be important to most normal customers. It is however, important to call out the manufacturers and help prevent more serious abuse.
@Bf--em4ky 2 роки тому
@@shaun6828 How tf is it not an issue for normal customers, they're selling you something that has less performance and longevity than what you're paying for and obviously if you're buying an nvme ssd you care about the read and write speeds if you didn't mind the extra loading times, slow boot up, slow file managing, etc then you would just buy a HDD that has twice the storage capacity for less than half the price.
@VanquishedAgain 2 роки тому
@@Bf--em4ky no they aren't nowhere do they mention any performance in the specs. Reviewers do.
@anthonyswadling8146 2 роки тому
Just sending a huge genuine THANK YOU to you and your team for making these kinds of videos. Your all legends for speaking up on these topics!
@Fortzon 6 місяців тому
11:45 Well that didn't age well. Samsung has also been caught switching components of their SSDs. Quite funnily enough only 2 months after this video was released Samsung got caught making a revision to 970 Evo Plus without announcing it or creating a 970 Evo Ultra SKU or something like that. And what's even more funny is that I also got duped by this and only recently noticed the change. I bought my original 1TB 970 Evo Plus with the original controller in 2020 and I bought another, supposedly identical, 1TB 970 Evo Plus in October 2021 and only later through Samsung Magician I noticed that the firmware version of the new 970 Evo Plus was different, 2B2QEXM7 vs 4B2QEXM7. Because of that firmware version difference I started googling and what I gathered from the reddit thread that was made at the time of the "scandal" was that 970 EVO Plus with the new controller was slower than the old one but could sustain its top speed in big file transfers for longer than the old one. So Samsung's switch wasn't as bad as AData's, it was more like a sidegrade, but it was still scummy to not notify us with a product name/code change.
@WoodWorkLIFE 2 роки тому
lol, the Amethysts from Luke's build
@runwitscissors00 2 роки тому
He will never live that down 😂
@TheStevieP 2 роки тому
RIP Geodude :'(
@kareemelsadek 2 роки тому
Theyre MINERALS MARIE
@IvanOoze1990 2 роки тому
Luke doesn't dust his computer.
@fu1644 2 роки тому
Loled so hard at trusted brands PNY
@aminorityofone 2 роки тому
this smells like a class action. quick find some lawyers that want to get rich while the rest of us get 5 bucks
@Garrettdx1988 2 роки тому
Hold up I gotta go buy one quick so I can get 5 bucks back
@darealdunkey3698 2 роки тому
Fuck yeah I love 5 bucks
@suntzu1409 2 роки тому
Yall will get 5 bucks But i will get only 5 cents
@DrakonIL 2 роки тому
I got my settlement check from the AMD multicore class action. I wish it was 5 bucks. It was $1.75
@mrskwrl 2 роки тому
@@DrakonIL Wow look at you, flaunting your riches. Gosh.
@vashstampede8523 2 роки тому
This is why we should have reviews "3 month later" where channels like LTT and others buy the products, test it and return. Something like secret buyer. Cause companies are gonna give them the best of their stock to test and later ship crap to actual customers.
@MiisterShane 2 роки тому
Imagine being a reviewer and spending a trillion hours benchmarking a product then finding out a year later that your recommendation is almost meaningless and that you've been stabbed in the back
@batuhancokmar7330 2 роки тому
Actually every "up to" performance specification should be illegal for any product priced accordingly with their performance.. I mean no one buys SSDs for sexy looks, people don't buy (solely) for the brand-name too.. Only criterion is performance and relability for the price. For such products, norm for techical specifications should be "At least X amount of performance at Y condition" sentences.. Like "Up to 3500MB/s and at least 3000MB/s sequential when drive is empty, up to 390K IOPS and and at least 220K IOPS when drive is 60% full and doing combined read/write operations" Manufacturer should have legal obligation to meet that "at least" criteria.. SSD is not the worst part of this "up to" BS.. Pay for "up to "50Mbps internet", get 28Mbps max.. Can't sue, can't get out of a year-long contract.. If I knew I'd be getting 28Mbps, I would have opted for the cheaper 24Mbps package.. This is technically legal but ethically, its fraud.
@MooseMoto7 2 роки тому
Amen. I'd say they should allow testing but then again my old house i had 1gig service from Spectrum (980 tested by them) then 2 days later never more than 280. They replaced lines after I told them what's up, router, modem and nothing. They would just test to 98Mbps then leave and it would get no more than. 240 after. Once Ziply finishes their fiber lines in my area I'm swapping ASAP
@jkahgdkjhafgsd 2 роки тому
"Only criterion is performance and relability for the price" another important stat is TBW (how many terabites of writes it's rated for), not that relevant for gaming SSDs, but very important for an OS drive
@flandrble 2 роки тому
Thats why SD card labels are so good, they have a minimum sequential write and IOPS requirement to have the corresponding labels.
@kez99 2 роки тому
Petition to stop using up to and start using at least.
@Inkedup128 2 роки тому
i am prob the only person who buys based off brand solely. lol
@jnicoulakos 2 роки тому
In College, I was working for the school part time in the computer department. We had Gateway's, their solution to everything was reinstall the OS before anything else. They also said we needed to use the disc that came with the computer because the part may vary from system to system. this was Twenty years ago, so this is not the fist time I hear of this and I am not shocked. But good job in calling them out on this! :)
@aDifferentJT 2 роки тому
Once you launch the lab maybe you can launch a certification programme for things like this, I’d love to see you branch out into things like that.
@n16htw1ng4 2 роки тому
People don't like being deceived, regardless of how little the consequence.
@mangshu21 2 роки тому
This is kind of why i swore off buying from non oem ssd brands. Just buy wd/crucial/samsung because they make their own nand. WD even has their own controller these days.
@BAH041095 2 роки тому
You don’t play with people’s money.
@epeli0035 2 роки тому
I just fucking bought an A data sx8200 512gb, I just started the video but I hope it’s not super bad news for me. Edit: Did I understand correctly that the only bad thing that happened was -10% performance?
@mehere6865 2 роки тому
I would think that people don't like being charged the same as the original product if they came clean people would buy with faith knowing what they were getting.
@lifell5034 2 роки тому
@@kalvenzander4710 Huge difference between doing research on the internet and buying 5-12 times the same product for that same research just to see if you should've bought some other product. A lot of this stuff isn't known and therefore research won't do you much good. Secondly, if a person on the internet claims something in regards to these kind of things, it doesn't have to be true. Thirdly, not everyone will go and spend a huge amount of hours just to research. "Do I like the product?", "Do I need it?", "What's the difference in features?", "What am I really paying for?" and then also "Does the product I have in mind swap components after it's initial release and then sells it like it's the exact same product?" I usually ask way more questions to be honest. I hate buying things. Way too much research needed to not spend way too much money or just to get what you want.
@BryanEnsign 2 роки тому
The PR fallout from this video is going to be fun to watch. The backpedaling and popcorn are being prepped.
@DeViL1987G 2 роки тому
I was thinking the same thing. I can bet Linus is going to make a video on that too.
@apocalypseap 2 роки тому
If they're smart they won't say anything at all and people will forget about it probably.
@BryanEnsign 2 роки тому
@@apocalypseap If sites are already reporting on it like the one he showed in the video I think they will be in some hot water for a while. It takes years to win back customer trust.
@abanoubshahid9829 2 роки тому
Yeah but it will be engrained in conscious consumers minds that Adata and others can sell you lower end components on high end drives so on the high end just go for vendors like Samsung. Those will be the SSD's recommended by tech heads to their families and friends.... And they trust their tech heads. It will just engrain that these companies are best for low end components. That is how providing lower tier components works. They will be the AMD tier cpus before their 180 turn they made with ryzen; Even non tech heads avoided it when on the high end. So I hope these companies likewise change.
@anomalousresult 2 роки тому
Just like 7 years ago when we kicked off at Kingston doing this with the v300, oh wait.
@XionSteel Рік тому
interestingly enough im noticing this with the headphones i recently bought too, i have the og hyperx sond cloud IIs. its not audiophile levels of sound but its the first pair i had that didnt sound like i was listening to muffled base traps. The one plastic piece on it started to crack, which is what holds the headband on so i sought out to buy another pair since it's still listed after 8 years of having this pair. Bought it off amazon and noticed right away that the quality is much worse, the cable that connects the cups sound together is much thinner, the feel of it is much more plain, the sound is honestly close, but still more muffled. i ended up sending it back to buy it locally and it ended up being the same so i just harvested it for parts to fix my old pair (the part that broke ended up being close enough that it was usable). Honestly it makes me sad that we can't have nice things due to companies trying to sell us cheaply made items for exorbant prices, just got to go small company i guess. 😑
@vancedaccacc9860 2 роки тому
This has been my concern due to the supply chain disruptions, that manufacturers were cutting corners and you've proven that I wasn't being overly skeptical.
@DunderHead.5000 11 місяців тому
Has been going ob forever but I remember them doing the same thing with SSDs shortly after they first became available to the public and I remember NVIDIA doing it with the 1080 (and are still doing it). And have you seen how hard it is to RMA an SSD or HDD? Until there's massive lawsuits nothing will change.
@enricodemeo 2 роки тому
Shoutout to the top notch application of chapter markers on the video. EVERY video essay, regardless of topic, should have this.
@enricodemeo 2 роки тому
'LTT really DOES care' to quote one of your newer employees
@elissitdesign 2 роки тому
LTT has access to more staff help on videos than most in this space. I agree it’s helpful!
@leonguyen896 2 роки тому
Ah yes, "up to" the get out of jail free card for advertisers.
@eric.is.online 2 роки тому
As soon as I see an 'up to' number I immediately discard it as bullshit
@mandowarrior123 2 роки тому
It isn't. It has to be able to get up to those speeds in optimal conditions. Its only acceptable in legal documents like terms & conditions.
@jakubpazera5590 2 роки тому
Dude, You came along way since I used to geek out with you at NCIX when buying my gear back in the day. Congrats on your success!
@EgoJinpachi_ 2 роки тому
this looks like some meme copypasta, "hey its me from highschool"
@b8nnytez Рік тому
Vast majority of this was over my head, but well done on keeping tabs on their shady practises! 👍 Keep it up! As you said, it should be illegal!
@black_platypus 2 роки тому
It's always so good to see people with large audiences sticking up for end users and accountability. It would probably be really easy to collect some palm grease money from manufacturers instead, but LTT keeps doing a good job of pointing these things out. Kudos!
@AtPrEd 2 роки тому
Give it some time
@black_platypus 2 роки тому
@@AtPrEd Yeah, with time, that possibility/probability approaches 1 for anybody. We should all be critical in our reception anyways :)
@eric.is.online 2 роки тому
@@black_platypus I dunno, the fact is I'm betting the tech industry is too cheap to throw the sorta money at LMG to make them consider it. There's always a tipping point between reputational damage and financial gain but is that tipping point within the acceptable range of the company trying to buy them especially *when* it inevitably leaks. For smaller channels that tipping point is a lot smaller and the fallout less widespread but once you get past a certain size it would only end badly for all involved. Hence why companies try to buy and bully the smaller channels but can't really use the same dirty tricks with bigger outlets.
@dboy2258 2 роки тому
Who is too say Linus and the gang did not go all mafia style on Adata? And Adata thought they were bluffing? "you are going to pay me and the boy's really well son, really well indeed, and if you don't, then everyone and their grandma's will know about it on youtube. You never know.
@OperationDarkside 2 роки тому
One day, when Linus announces the sponsor by saying "HONEY", the camera should just turn to Yvonne
@IyeViking 2 роки тому
I want this
@littlejackalo5326 2 роки тому
Gross
@revrndcast3918 2 роки тому
hahaha, yep, then Yvonne can do the sponsor segment. I thought that's where he was going until I saw the app come up.
@RusticRonnie 2 роки тому
Or Luke his real honey
@revrndcast3918 2 роки тому
@@RusticRonnie lol, I'm sure this could be turned into a running joke.
@elBusDriverKC 2 роки тому
Vendor specs are basically useless these days. Big problem in the power tool industry too. Glad there are channels like yours calling this crap out!
@Request_2_PANic 2 роки тому
One way to resolve it would be for the vendors to test their supply to ensure it meets the requirements before they're sent out, essentially quality control, and sort them based on their performance for the corresponding, and properly labeled, product.
@leonardusl5141 2 роки тому
This happens with RAM too! I bought two different kits of Corsair Vengeance RGB, both of the same model number, at two different points in time... They were using two different manufacturers of memory chips on them.
@Everth97 2 роки тому
Yes please just tell me if it's b-die or e-die. Or single rank or dual rank.
@dhruvupreti5120 2 роки тому
Guys like this comment so it can be seen!
@jeremymoyal5478 2 роки тому
@@Busy_Child even crucial does it , it happend with the ddr2 ballistix that were awesome with micron chips and 2 years later they swapped for cheap modules that didnt even handle specifications
@walkinmn 2 роки тому
I mean, I've seen that before, and it's annoying but if the performance is similar enough, I don't have a problem with that, the problem is when the performance gets a significant hit or the performance of some samples are too irregular. But that's hard to prove without reviewers so, we need more of this type of analysis.
@justinstewart950 2 роки тому
That’s normal. The problem is when the performance varies too much. If the performance is more or less the same it’s not really notable.
@itst1998 2 роки тому
"No one's gonna know" -"They're gonna know" "No one's gonna know"
@id104335409 2 роки тому
How would they know?
@JoseAlfonsoChavez 2 роки тому
Okay, I just can't... OMG
@Zaprozhan 2 роки тому
We're dealing with fucking nerds, okay? The same guys who make this stuff, sometimes BUY it.
@SVW1976 2 роки тому
We already knew this was happening. Thanks for keeping the pressure👍
@beechcraft12 2 роки тому
That Thanos filter made me shit myself; it was a little creepy. That filter should be illegal
@suntzu1409 2 роки тому
@Christopher Byrd no
@markae0 2 роки тому
4:49 no you are not hallucinating , not psychotic, no you do not need more medication
@Hyydrotoo 2 роки тому
"wait people actually expect our drives to be as fast as advertised?" probably manufacturers right now when games finally take advantage of speeds.
@Dany1239 2 роки тому
just like we expect storage spaces to be as advertised. my "2TB" HDD is actually 1.81TB...
@Flashbang_Photo 2 роки тому
@@Dany1239 Your 2TB is actually 2TB. It's just Windows that can't make its mind, as far as i know, if you boot Linux (or set Windows to report sizes accurately if that's possilbe) you'll see your .19TB back, which was never gone, but your files will also appear bigger. You have 2TB, clear cut.
@kenlarge5154 2 роки тому
@@Flashbang_Photo lol "as far as you know"
@kaisercreb 2 роки тому
@@Flashbang_Photo only if you use the new retarded manufacturer sizing. Where gigabytes became gibibyte so they could sell you less for more.
@fansteboy7349 2 роки тому
@@Dany1239 I think that the reason why it's reported like that is because 1TB is not 1000GB in Windows' eyes, it's 1024gb. Or maybe I might be totally wrong.
@daeroc Рік тому
For me, this is the exact reason why channels like this exist. Not to just promote products I'm interested in, but to also expose the shady side of the industry as well. This kind of reporting builds trust.
@Doomsdaymanx 2 роки тому
Thanks for continuing to help inform LTT! On one hand I understand replacing components, but on the other if you're going to sell a product you better at least be clear on what exactly you are selling. If you tell me you are selling a "SX8200" card as a product then every one of those cards better be technically identical, even if practically you use multiple suppliers for a part. If I wanted to buy a product without knowing exactly what I'm getting then I'm be buying a pack of Pokemon cards.
@huma3968 2 роки тому
I am thankful that the people like you are out there expose the these intricate frauds.
@snakeish8667 2 роки тому
Linus 9 years ago: Firetruck haha look at it Linus now: *Production fraud exposure*
@realtechhacks 2 роки тому
Friendly reminder to watch the firetruck video. It must be the top viewed video on yt.
@vladdx 2 роки тому
Joke's on Linus, my ADATA SX8200 Pro came with superior NAND chips to the original Micron 64L one.
@vladdx 2 роки тому
And it's also one of the variants that Linus couldn't get hold of and doesn't appear in this video ;)
@vladdx 2 роки тому
@Enchanted Goose I already have the biggest size that can fit my laptop, besides I'm from Europe so shipping it would've been an issue.
@xiro6 2 роки тому
@@vladdx Maybe were sold in Europe, afraid of laws and consumer associations. Not my country, but in Germany they care, a lot, TV programs just for products quality, consumer rights, etc. Maybe. I don't know. They even fucked electric companies with the data acquisition from smart meters.
@patrick5688 2 роки тому
#1 - Thank you for doing this kind of research and making companies liable for this sort of thing. #2 - I have to give Linus the award for the best handling of advertising merchandise/sponsors, as it is not intrusive or smacking you in the face in the very begging of the video. Plus, the way he brings up the store merchandise/sponsors is hilarious to me.
@SuperPhunThyme9 2 роки тому
10/10 for class and respect 7/10 for wit and style though. Not bad but theres room for improvement.
@lamipalma 2 роки тому
@@SuperPhunThyme9 If it were perfect, it wouldn't be as endearing ;) 10/10 nerdcharm
@rushank2112 2 роки тому
Silicon Power P34A80 was initially launched with Phison E12 Controller, later it was replaced by Silicon Motion SM2262EN and now the newer batches are coming with Realtek RTS5762.
@platterjockey 2 роки тому
You have the only YT channel that has addressed this. The other channels either ignore it or don't want to upset sponsors.
@PeteTheGeek196 2 роки тому
Western Digital's reputation took hit when they silently switched some of their NAS hard drives to slow and inferior SMR technology. It is hard to trust them after that.
@talos86 2 роки тому
Seagate done it too with the Barracuda and the Exo drive, but all the blame was on WD, so they didnt got too much spotlight like WD did. This is like the Volkswagens emission scandal. They got the blame, but all of the car manufacturers done the same exact thing.
@TrancemasterOnyx 2 роки тому
Yep, my next HDDs in my NAS will probably be Seagate ones (even thou their track record with failure rates have been quite mixed...)
@j.c.82 2 роки тому
Still better than Seagate lol
@paulelderson934 2 роки тому
@@TrancemasterOnyx from 12TB and upwards there's a pretty slim chance of getting shingled drives. Especially the external 12TB & 14TB drives can be pretty solid HDDs. Almost all of them can be shucked as well.
@ikjadoon 2 роки тому
@@talos86 Nah. Western Digital literally lied about it, "None of our NAS drives use SHR!" www.smartmontools.org/ticket/1313#comment:16 WD is far, far, far worse than Seagate & Toshiba. Anybody claiming "lmao, they're all the same" seems to have only skimmed the headlines!
@seththebeatmxchine Рік тому
I love as soon as I hear the word sponsor I just double tap fast forward & voila the intro music starts.
@gabberfe 2 роки тому
This video is exactly what I needed... I'm currently looking for a 1TB SSD right now and Kingston's NV1 was one of my options .. Guess not anymore... Thx!
@viridionwaves 2 роки тому
Why is "up to" even accepted as a legitimate metric? A minimum speed would make sense because we want things fast, not speed "up to" whatever. No doubt this was the very reason this wording is used.
@MaveRick01 2 роки тому
I think it's because drives have drastically different minimum speeds depending on the situation. For example, a very long stresstest can make performance drop and having a filled drive also makes it suffer. Putting "minimum speed of 100MB/s" on the box isn't as attractive as "up to 3500MB/s". I agree it is a stupid metric, so I stick to IOPS, since that metric is way more reliable
@Kenpachi1985 2 роки тому
Exactly my thought. Everytime something has a variable performance, it should be required to give a "minimum" number. No more "depends on the rest of the stuff you use" BS.
@kartoffelbrei8090 2 роки тому
Have you ever tried transfering thousands of 1kb textfiles. During that performance IS close to 0 MB/s. (If you dont compress them in a zip file)
@roku_nine 2 роки тому
No matter what kind of drive, if u test them under absolute worst case scenario, minimum speed will be close to 0 mb/s. No point advertising minimum speed.
@PanDiaxik 2 роки тому
They could use minimum speed in given conditions (e.g. sequential read/write with at least 50% free space)
@wimvanderschelden1369 2 роки тому
Kingston has been doing this for a decade, you know... They replaced the controller on their old V300 SSDs after the initial wave of positive reviews went out.
@HDConcussionz 2 роки тому
Yes exactly! I have an old V300 that was the slow model from this. Awful.
@nickmurray7703 2 роки тому
Ya and they do it on their RAM which I think is even more of an issues. Awesome when you buy the exact same model and can't OC them together because they use different chips.
@kkkeksi 2 роки тому
Yeah.. I really wish they would've mentioned this... 9:25 This has happened before
@nikolayivanov7705 2 роки тому
They replaced the flash memory too. I still have one of those downgraded Kingston v300 drives. Lower performance than advertised, but surprisingly it's been working almost non stop for 7-8 years as a boot drive and hasn't failed yet.
@Richkill 2 роки тому
I did a Kingston RAM upgrade 1 year apart (same part numbers) and the DRAM manufacturers are different. Nanya Tech and SK Hynix.
@Sk0lzky 2 роки тому
The lootbox approach got me :D Next step: performance as a service
@kellyhiggins5703 Рік тому
After watching this video I immediately purchased the Swacket (from lttstore) that I've been considering. I'm more than happy to support an organization like LTT whose impartial and not afraid to call this sort of behavior out. Thank you LTT!!
@prawny12009 2 роки тому
So just like shingled drives being sold interchangeably
@coffeemaddan 2 роки тому
Will never trust WD after their 'RED' drive debacle. That was shameful.
@kevin42 2 роки тому
@@coffeemaddan ditto
@PINKBOY1006 2 роки тому
@@coffeemaddan I already didn't trust them unfortunately. My WD drives I had in my systems pretty much ALL died a sudden unexpected death with maybe a week notice of unreadable sectors then they just quit showing up on the SATA bus. And they were all in regular desktop use cases with 20min SMART shutoff times to reduce heat and wear. But on the other hand, all of my spinning rust drives I have left are Seagate and I have had only 1 fail in the last 20 years of using them in home servers and computers of all types. I still have some Barracuda drives from the mid 90's that work perfectly in my Pentium iii 700mhz machine.
@YungEagle3k 2 роки тому
@@PINKBOY1006 I've had the complete opposite experience 😂
@legominimovieproductions 2 роки тому
@@PINKBOY1006 I agree with @Jacob, I have mostly WD drives from 7 year old blue's to 1 year old red's (cmr), the only wd drive that every failed on me was a refurbished one and that failed after 24 hours so not that much of a problem cause there wasnt much on it and it was still possible to get data from it. On the other hand, I have a 2tb seagate drive with now 51k hours as it is idk 8 or 9 years old and this one as well still works
@vancemah8407 2 роки тому
It’s like when a store says “hey we’re on sale, up to 90% off” but 90% of the stuff is on sale for just 10% off.
@sanbeats8099 2 роки тому
(Just to clarify for anyone taking you literally) up to 90% off sales at stores usually means a few of the store's items are at 90% off, And many other items are available cheap just at less of a discount. not that 90% of the store is on sale for a certain discounted rate (usually). Just putting that out there in case someone reading this ignores a good sale thinking its something else.
@potater6163 2 роки тому
@@sanbeats8099 bro, your the type of person to correct someone for using the wrong *your* oops i just did
@FutureNaught 2 роки тому
It would be like if next year's Mustang GT was advertised to have an 800hp V8 but actually shipped with a 500hp V6 and Ford didn't say anything to warn customers.
@Rusty_Gold85 2 роки тому
Its like Power companies will give you 17 % off a much higher Kw/h rating than other companies " % off " with a lower kw/h rating
@martinkuliza 2 роки тому
@@potater6163 You're saying that like it's a small thing. Wow dude, Seriously that's your point ? FACT - People who use the wrong YOU'RE vs YOUR are idiots it's not like that's a minor detail. Doing so shows you don't give a shit, which then in turn promotes laziness whicn in turn promotes a lower level of education and intelligence and.... YOU LITERALLY JUST PROVED THAT if it's a typo, that's one thing , but you see, in the 70s WE PAID MORE ATTENTION TO WHAT WE WROTE (Now.. granted,.... that was because we didn't have a keyboard or a backspace button and we were writing A LETTER and if you made a mistake you had to stop and either start again or .. Get a rubber and rub it out , which always made the paper look like shit anyway ) so.. Since we knew the consequence WE PAID MORE ATTENTION THE BACKSPACE BUTTON HAS MADE YOU LAZY SOCIAL MEDIA HAS MADE YOU EVEN MORE LAZY the fact that you can sit behind a keyboard and tell someone to get fucked WITHOUT THE CONSEQUENCE OF GETTING PUNCHED IN THE HEAD Makes you more lazy Now you amplify that by like 2 Decades and you have a bunch of lazy idiots that don't give a fuck and the end result of it all is................. WE GET A COMMENT LIKE YOUR ONE i understand your point mate, but YOU REALLY CHOSE THE WRONG EXAMPLE and the fact you chose this example SHOWS YOUR MENTALITY and ... You can't debate , argue or ignore that point YOU SAID WHAT YOU SAID AND YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOU BELIEVE and it's all as a result of historical conditioning DOES THAT MAKE SENSE Your and You're are important for very good reasons it's the same as people can't be bothered to type I'm so they type im ONCE UPON A TIME RULES FOR LANGUAGE WERE INVENTED AND IT WAS FOR GOOD REASON PEOPLE ARE NOW IGNORING THOSE RULES AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS LANGUAGE HAS TO EVOLVE but the word EVOLVE implies TO MOVE TO SOMETHING BETTER Now.. if language is not efficient then it should evolve BUT IN THIS CASE, IT IS AND PEOPLE ARE IGNORING THE RULES MEANING..... language will De-Evolve and we'll have to try to this dance again in a few generations so where you think it doesn't matter IT ACTUALLY REALLY REALLY DOES MATTER
@LouisFrayser Рік тому
Thanks for the great work, Linus! Keep those manufacturers honest!
@ShombayChase Рік тому
Why did your channel take so long to show up in my feed? Instant follow! 👍🏾
@aahilabdulnazeer9182 2 роки тому
Therapist: Thinus isn't real, he can't hurt you. Thinus: Reality is often disappointing.
@cynicseason 2 роки тому
i saw this comment before i saw 'Thinus' in the video and was confused about what it meant. then i saw it... oh god it is creepy...
@Willem500 2 роки тому
Lanos
@heitoroliveiracarneiro 2 роки тому
Oh god i looks horrible as thanos.
@goedragonu8986 2 роки тому
when ever y see therapist written my mind just separates them: the rapist and that is why u have an upvote
@juulnuel5054 2 роки тому
Most cursed Thanos face i have ever seen
@LG1ikLx 2 роки тому
Credit to linus. He doesn't care about calling out companies when they are doing something shady
@crazysanta6641 2 роки тому
what
@eveningmelody3902 2 роки тому
@Pitu Guli no one does for free 😂
@michaelhanson5773 2 роки тому
But they arent... the specs say UPTO not minimum. There is a reason they use these terms so they can do this and it not be illegal. So technically not illegal, but definitely shady
@sedness9801 2 роки тому
@Pitu Guli what did you send?
@Daniel-dj7fh 2 роки тому
@@michaelhanson5773 It's like if I want to buy anything in stores here in Germany they always promote the price with "ab xy€" which blankly means starting from xy€. So if they say starting from 2€ for a tshirt, there is no reason why a tshirt in the shop can't cost 30€. It's all technically correct, but just a big scam
@M.C.Turnt69 2 роки тому
I bought my AF for about $80.....NEW!! Still rockin' it today!
@tolic14ever Рік тому
I actually work in supply chain for companies like this.. and he is right we do encourage customers to switch to competition/replacement part of desired once are missing. They should more straitfarward with the minimum specs
@Rose.Of.Hizaki 2 роки тому
TBH, Kingston has been doing this for a loooooooooong time. Theyve been caught with their pants down before sending cherry picked SSDs with MLC NAND to reviewers but when the drive hit retailers they came with TLC NAND instead.
@viedralavinova8266 2 роки тому
And people still bought them because they didn't give a shit, so nothing really happened. No one is being responsible for their actions anymore. So the same shit keeps happening again and again.
@FalconWindblader 2 роки тому
@@viedralavinova8266 That's the sad reality. most people don't really need peak performance out of their hardware or hell, even performance living up to marketed specs after all. what most people need are products that perform decently to their use cases, which ain't much most of the time, that they don't need to fork shit tons of cash for... & for better or worse, the corporations out there are well aware of that & counting on such mentalities to do business...
@iwontliveinfear 2 роки тому
Newegg hasn't been reputable since they started allowing 3rd party sellers.
@batt3ryac1d 2 роки тому
This is something manufacturers are doing though. Nevermind I re read what you said you were just going off on a tangent after Linus mentioned Newegg being reputable.
@kaziwill 2 роки тому
@@batt3ryac1d her comment still stands. They've gone trash monster on us
@batt3ryac1d 2 роки тому
@@kaziwill yeah I re read it just now :p
@iwontliveinfear 2 роки тому
Not to mention Newegg is currently selling Video cards at scalper prices.
@djhal7961 Рік тому
Excellent topic. Often, I wonder how MoBos, which were discontinued 5 yrs ago could still be considered best in class, when the CPUs required to run them were also discontinued and are currently available...for "decent" prices. Unfortunately, supply vs demand would dictate that the top Mobos, which are still going for top dollar (utilizing a discontinued mount, btw) would create a similar price INCREASE in the dwindling supply of specific CPUs required to run them. I wonder if many consumer issues with "top" Mobos could be coming from the coupling of much higher performing peripherals with "as advertised" core components, which are purposely mislabeled and are underperformers as delivered!! As far as the Organizations keeping tabs on the industry, they're only as good as they're independent R&D of Quality testing devices and measures. What starts with good intentions is only as good as there's money to support the effort. And unless a Wikipedia model, which required the annual begging for dollars model is instituted, I'm afraid that even the "independence" of some of those Organizations will come into question; as manufacturers start contributing to the effort.
@Hypno-SystemsUK 2 роки тому
Ahhh...if only I were still in the same country as my old stomping grounds for builds...Micro Center!
@digicraze 2 роки тому
That Thanos-Linus hybrid is terrifying. Thanus.
@CatsMeow_ 2 роки тому
Nightmare fuel
@SeleniumGlow 2 роки тому
Thanus sounds better than Linos
@madezra64 2 роки тому
@@SeleniumGlow Thanus? More like anus
@fuguthefish 2 роки тому
Linos
@shade20x64 2 роки тому
Linos Snap Tips
@reaktorleak89 2 роки тому
Reminds me of when Sabrent released really fast NVMe drives to get positive reviews, and the price of $250 for 2TB was insane at the time. Then they silently swapped in half speed drives under the same serial number, taking advantage of the positive reviews for the "same product."
@MrPir84free 2 роки тому
Sounds like another company to avoid..
@drudrumauro 2 роки тому
dang that's terrible to read i hope the rocket 4 plus i recently purchased is normal when it arrives smh i got it to replace my crappy xpg s50 lite
@NebulonRanger Рік тому
I must have got one of the original batch then, since my 2TB Rocket 4 is really fast haha
@warpigs9069 Рік тому
Well damn it, I have Samsung and sabrent. I only bought sabrent's 500gb and 1k gb. And they were the older variants.
@zelexen 2 роки тому
forgot about this, glad i remembered and came back to it
@ExtremeModeration 2 роки тому
Same goes for Amazon with everything from electronics to household stuff. I now use their site for research and then buy direct whenever I can...even if I have to pay more. Scammers have been around forever but they used to stay small and under the radar. Now large orgs do it out in the open. One more symptom of a Republic past its peak. Where in (more) trouble if we don't make (major) changes.
@fmalone03 2 роки тому
"trusted brands kingston, pny, adata" well I guess they aren't trusted brands anymore. My current nvme ssd is an adata drive I got in summer 2019, its the last thing ill ever buy from them even though the drive has performed fine for me.
@GameIT. 2 роки тому
@@XA-AI Samsung
@Kantuva 2 роки тому
Yep, I a actually just looking for new drives, and heaven knows that I cant be trusting my data to UNRELIABLE makers
@GameIT. 2 роки тому
@@Kantuva Samsung is a trusted brand
@kingofthenerds4708 2 роки тому
@@XA-AI samsung and crucial
@klarahfenderson1374 2 роки тому
PNY . . . trusted brand . . . I lol'd. Although they are better than anything from China with Sparkle in the name.
@clintonelliott340 2 роки тому
Won’t be buying any of their products after seeing this on my new pc build this fall.
@daishi5571 2 роки тому
I was involved with PC building from the 80's, and I have probably seen every component manufacturer pull off something like this. I did QC and built systems for review using golden samples and setups that just weren't practical in production. My walls were covers in magazine awards for for something you really couldn't buy.
@Firepulser 11 місяців тому
I ran into a similar issue with Corsair Vengeance RAM back in like 2014. I had a board which could only do 16gb with low-density 4gb RAM sticks. Well the original 8gb 2x4gb set I got back when I got the board worked fine. A few years later when I tried to get a new second set of the exact same model tag to max out my system, suddenly it contains high-density ram instead. And I had to scour ebay to find a set old enough to have low-density ram like I wanted. Had to go through at least 5 sets. All because Corsair changed the components without changing the model number.
@DjadamGee 2 роки тому
Beginning = "the same thing is happening at reputable websites like New Egg and Microcenter." Ending = "just like we tell everybody to stick to buying technology and computer hardware at microcenter." 🤣🤣🤣
@PAPO1990 2 роки тому
to be fair, it's not REALLY the retailers fault, how were they to know the manufacturer was pulling a bait-and-switch
@DjadamGee 2 роки тому
@@PAPO1990 No I totally agree! I just found it funny that the end sponsor happened to be the same store that he mentioned in a semi negative way, in the beginning of the video. Regardless I still love LTT and Microcenter.
@Bethorien 2 роки тому
@@DjadamGee to me it felt less like "mentioned in a semi negative way" and more like "hey these reputable retailers are getting scammed too"
@DjadamGee 2 роки тому
@@Bethorien Possibly that too 😊
@djluminol 2 роки тому
@@PAPO1990 It becomes the retailers problem when they repeat the claims and it makes me think LTT is about as trustworthy as ADATA. Because in effect what LTT has done is say hey there's a problem going on with these guys. Then they go and depend on that organization for their income. It's the journalism equivalent of regulatory capture. IMO that makes everything LTT says suspect. Because while it may not directly be on Microcenter for these problems LTT's job is to look out for us not Microcenter. LTT should be steering us away from potential problems. Maybe say something like, stick to Samsung via Microcenter until this is dealt with or buy direct from Samsung to penalize all the players letting this happen. Yet they are still accepting income from an organization involved in the problem and steering us right in to it. It exposes the problem with market based regulation. The idea that consumer power alone can regulate industry. Because Microcenter and LTT have competing financial interests to concern themselves with. Do they care more about their viewers/customers and the income raised through that revenue stream or their sponsors/supplier discounts and that revenue stream/profit potential.
@dandan6683 2 роки тому
Bring back "shit manufacturers say" videos
@BoycottYouTube289 Рік тому
This is why I sort reviews by most recent when I shop for anything on Amazon.
@tguess7414 2 роки тому
This is insane. I just installed a SX8200 Pro today, and am only getting around 1500 Read MB/s. Wasn't sure if it was my MOBO, but now I realize its a cheaper variant.
@aqueilas7391 2 роки тому
This is illegal - Its called fraud and the companies would be liable if customers sued.
@georgeedward1691 2 роки тому
😂😂😂😂😂
@wannabegamer9902 2 роки тому
no they wont, hardware meets advertised specs of "up to speeds of ####" they never made a promise of "speeds greater than ####"
@DarkReturns1 2 роки тому
@@wannabegamer9902 the great loop hole...
@aqueilas7391 2 роки тому
@@wannabegamer9902 Yes they would. The hardware is labeled as being built with X components, but suddenly its built with Y components. Advertised product is not the same as the end product, nomatter if the function of the product is the same. Kind of like if a company advertise a bycicle and the picture shows one that is made out of metal, but then you recieve one thats made out of wood. Its and extreme example, but its the same case.
@firstutopia5553 2 роки тому
Class Action
@TheoHiggins 2 роки тому
"Reputable" is not what I'd call the modern incarnation of Newegg
@realtechhacks 2 роки тому
Exactly
@jkacvbhijfn 2 роки тому
Really? Why are they not reputable anymore? Since when are they not reputable anymore?
@realtechhacks 2 роки тому
@@jkacvbhijfn since they were bought by a Chinese company and had their market flooded with fake hardware and sketchy brands.
@realtechhacks 2 роки тому
@Matthew Robert plus basically becoming scalpers themselves in this market.
@realtechhacks 2 роки тому
@Matthew Robert I'm actually really sad because I missed the golden age of Newegg.
@connorevans104 10 місяців тому
I love these videos, you guys should keep doing this genuine investigative journalism.
@OplokGaming 2 роки тому
God, the whole time I was watching this I was sweating buckets because I thought my 970 evo plus that I just freakin ordered would be like this. Thank you LTT for reassuring me for that at the end. EDIT: Forgot to thank you for this vid as well, since you practically narrowed my choice of brands to go through when I want to pick up a new nvme in the coming future.
@NarekAvetisyan 2 роки тому
This sounds like a class action lawsuit.
@mr.mysteriousyt6118 2 роки тому
don't do that
@chrisakaschulbus4903 2 роки тому
i don't think so... the marketing/pr people of those companies have worded everything with exactly stuff like this in mind. and i get why... even if you don't want to scam people you still don't wanna get sued for a batch of not ideal chips or whatever
@zoom1125 2 роки тому
It's fraud though
@beaumontlivingston8084 2 роки тому
@@zoom1125 no it isn’t fraud and no lawsuits will happen.
@sunny-sq6ci 2 роки тому
unless theres clear evidence that these companies are doing this with the intention of committing fraud, a class action suit will b fruitless. atm, these companies have just enough plausible denialbility that they can claim that this was by 'accident'
@danagoyette7932 2 роки тому
I can swim at "up to" 50 miles per hour*. * when in freefall at high altitude
@pferreiro95 2 роки тому
Or your could just be swimming at 2 miles per hour... you said "up to" not "reach". *is it under water? because freefalling in the air is not really swimming
@Bjorick 2 роки тому
@@pferreiro95 he's swimming DOWN a waterfall, duh.
@allesson2 2 роки тому
@@pferreiro95 it's just a joke
@kamo7293 2 роки тому
im always traveling at 29.8 km/s* *as a result of earth's spin
@ForViewingOnly Рік тому
EXCELLENT video. It's getting more and more difficult to trust anything that you buy nowadays. Videos like this will increase consumer awareness and make a difference. Thanks LTT.
@KassiusFineArt Рік тому
When I grew up we had consumer protection 1/2 hour TV shows. It was awesome.
@ehudgavron9086 Рік тому
Thanks for the in-depth explanation and review! Micro-center is not in my state and "in store pickup only" is not in my wheelhouse. I'm happy they sponsored you. They'll be gone like Donkey Kong (and Radio Shack and Fry's Electronics) so get your Amazon shopping in early. They don't assemble, but with the 30-50% lower prices you have plenty of room to have the 15 year old next door put it all together.
@DainzSancion 2 роки тому
I've been folowing LTT for a long time now and for a good reason this is just one of the many reasons why i follow him and his crew thanks for informing the people i hope more people follow you 🙏👍👏👏
@Nman120 2 роки тому
I remember when Tek Syndicate talked about Kingston's shenanigans back when budget boot SSDs were becoming a thing
@jmoore4477 2 роки тому
Crazy, I'm still on my 256GB V300 7 years later, but the Seagate 1TB HDD was replaced once already.
@orion10x10 2 роки тому
I do miss Tek Syndicate sometimes. LevelOneTechs is pretty good though
@blahorgaslisk7763 2 роки тому
AFAIK Kinston has been doing things like this since forever with their SSD's. I'd never use one of their drives if I needed performance simply because you don't know what you get. PNY and A-Data is in the same boat. I've used very few Seagate or WD SSDs, but you would hope they wouldn't stoop to things like this, but then there was that shingle disaster with the WD HDD's so now I can't say I really trust WD not to pull a fast one. And Seagate has a very checkered past with how they handle product problems... Samsung and Intel seems reliable so far. They've had some problem products but have AFAIK fixed those within reasonable time. Corsair I can't really say much about. I've used some and never had a problem, but less than ten means nothing and less than a hundred almost nothing, so... Never once used a Crucial SSD but I've never heard anything bad about them so I guess they probably are safe. Maxtor? Seagate bought Maxtor back in 2006 and basically put the brand to sleep. Now they've revived the brand and are selling SATA SSD's and external USB hard drives. Currently it seems they have one model of SSD that's available in three sizes. Are they any good? Who knows. What I wonder is why Seagate feel it's a good idea to bring out a zombie brand when they are already well known in the drive business. Gigabyte? Who knows? Patriot and Silicon Power are two more companies whos products I haven't worked with. If I really wanted or needed guaranteed performance and reliability I wouldn't go with them. As for price/performance, heck yea, but then Corsair, Crucial, Kingston, PNY and A-Data would also be in the run.
@jmoore4477 2 роки тому
@asdrubale bisanzio go away, your false information is unwanted here. It's well known nearly all Seagate drive models have around a 2.5% failure rate in bulk at most.
@gannert_o0571 2 роки тому
Linus: This is illegal! Meanwhile Manufacturers: *We'll just market this Lie-nus guy...*
@MixedVictor 2 роки тому
@be good get out and watch arab funny (he deleted and said a link that send to stupid tranquility videos)
@nit-Inundate 2 роки тому
@@MixedVictor It's probably moved to spam not deleted. That account is a bot lol
@cybergnetwork588 2 роки тому
I also noticed the exact same behavior with Western Digital Black SN750 1TB. I am running 4 x servers with identical hardware including 2 x Western Digital Black SN750 1TB per server. When trying to enable the vSAN feature in vmware vCenter 7.0, I've had a warning saying that 1 of those 8 drives was not identical.
@ledkaktus1179 2 роки тому
Also crucial with the mx-500 series
@jackhughman282 2 роки тому
This is why I always spend time watching reviews/tests before purchasing anything pricey. This was actually the ssd I was gonna get, not anymore.
@itsmezed 2 роки тому
Kinda sucks for those of us who bought an SX8200 _before_ this story broke.
@jackhughman282 2 роки тому
@@itsmezed yeah, dude, that sucks, did you at least get lucky with one that performs well? It's shitty like the video says because you're paying a premium for that tiny bit of extra performance you get on something that is already not inexpensive only to get the same performance as something substantially less expensive.
@itsmezed 2 роки тому
@@jackhughman282 The 2 TB SX8200 Pro performs better than the pair of 500gb m.2 SATA 850 EVOs in RAID 0 in my last rig, although I don't have absolute numbers. I wish I could pull up what controllet/NAND/RAM version is on my drive without having to take it out of the system and pull of the mobo's heat sink for it. There was no reason to look when I built it in late Sep/early Oct.
@jackhughman282 2 роки тому
@@itsmezed fair enough.
@Svenstie 2 роки тому
I as well already had it in my shopping cart. It was somehow satisfying pressing the delete button.
@NorroTaku 2 роки тому
this is why spec sheets are a scam we need a "minimum spec guarantee" that has to be verified by a 3rd party
@Anxiou5Panda 2 роки тому
Proud that I take my time scouring the internet for reviews (especially reputable ones) before buying any product. My friends who ask me for advice sometimes get annoyed because I often nudge them to buy products that we consider as "bang for the buck", and I get frustrated sometimes but I always assure them that it is worth it to wait and choose the right product rather than suffer the consequences.
@danieljensen2626 2 роки тому
If they list the details of their tests for the spec and are forced to give you your money back if yours is below spec then you wouldn't even need 3rd party verification, you could just do it yourself.
@billy5688 2 роки тому
@@danieljensen2626 the point of independent test is to avoid all possible bias. You really have to trust them to give the correct information.
@wannabegamer9902 2 роки тому
welcome to capitalism buddy
@penncentral8885 Рік тому
That's an old carpet sales trick! They sell you "Mohawk" or and other top brand on the store, then when the installer shows up with a roll of carpet and padding, neither one are actually what you bought!!! And not one home owner catches it!!!!
@charliegreen5781 Рік тому
Awesome video. I have a "respectable" SSD and it continually scores low on "Benchmark". I think I now know why.
@kar351 2 роки тому
I imagine how many brands send emails to LTT to not "review" some product or change their editorial practices like they did to Hardware Unboxed. Still, it is fair to assume they do not even dare to do that since Linus do not take any shit. Go Linus!👍
@prw56 2 роки тому
That's the reason we need well known reviewers, companies will bully small scale ones into good reviews. Same is true for literally every product or service you can buy.
@CentreMetre 2 роки тому
Tbh if a company did that linus would then review the product on purpose. that's why I like him
@shalow2 2 роки тому
@@prw56 They might bully the small company, but they'd buy off or infiltrate the large company. :/
@Magisktification 2 роки тому
Not at all true. He is one of the biggest commercial sellouts on the tube man! He just dont work in everones favor. Probably only the highest bidders. Youre beeing quite gullable 🤦🏼♂️😂
@trinkhiratekh8334 2 роки тому
@@Magisktification found the loser here! Lmaooo
@jaewonchang3448 2 роки тому
Linus: There's one more question. Me: ah shit, here we go again
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