US Army Corps of Engineers Baltimore's Salvage Plan | MV Dali & Francis Scott Key Bridge

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What is Going on With Shipping?

What is Going on With Shipping?

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Salvage Operations Plan Priorities
What's Going on With Shipping?
April 11, 2024
In this episode, Sal Mercogliano - a maritime historian at Campbell University (@campbelledu) and former merchant mariner - examines the Salvage Plan published by the US Army Corps of Engineers in Baltimore.
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@bradley-eblesisor
@bradley-eblesisor Місяць тому
" This is not Watergate!" I needed that laugh today. Thanks!
@merediths2cents
@merediths2cents Місяць тому
Imagine if on the off chance a Trump company owned this ship, all hell would be breaking loose.
@Ibew649lineman
@Ibew649lineman Місяць тому
Thank you for the “missing 2 minutes “ The crash did look peculiar when playback was sped up . I do suspect it would be as hard to hack as my old mustang.
@coachwendy5618
@coachwendy5618 Місяць тому
​@@merediths2cents It's owned by a Singapore company. Not likely tied to Trump who mainly deals in real estate development.
@ericfielding2540
@ericfielding2540 Місяць тому
It is a water gate to the port of Baltimore, but not a Watergate.
@guyintenn
@guyintenn 29 днів тому
@@coachwendy5618 I believe they were just saying "what if" not that Trump actually owned it.
@brianward2250
@brianward2250 Місяць тому
Just a regular joe here. I appreciate your work. Thank you!
@wgowshipping
@wgowshipping Місяць тому
I appreciate that!
@WIP532
@WIP532 27 днів тому
I'm just a regular Joe, says Brian 🤔
@psmith4491
@psmith4491 Місяць тому
Thank you for dispelling rumor, gossip and chatter with your expereince and knowledge.
@laurenglass4514
@laurenglass4514 Місяць тому
Well said!
@JasonDumke
@JasonDumke Місяць тому
@@laurenglass4514 Ever heard of the Stutnex virus. Guess not, because this would be childs play to a intelligence agency by comparison.
@nutsackmania
@nutsackmania Місяць тому
what are you usually on infowars all day
@JasonDumke
@JasonDumke Місяць тому
@@nutsackmania nope, just work in IT and also have owned several boats and am slightly familiar with the systems onboard. The fact that they are air gapped mean very little if an intelligence agency "state actor" were to try to cause an engine to abruptly shut down. Not saying that is what happened, but its also 10000% possible. Again Stutnex infected some insane portion of all the windows machines on the planet, the centrifuges that were targeted in Iran were also air gapped and significantly more secure as they were trying to make nukes in Iran. This assertion that we know 100% this isn't/wasn't a cyber incident is premature. In fact I am 100% certain that is currently being investigated by relevant authorities.
@elkabong6429
@elkabong6429 Місяць тому
@@JasonDumke I'm curious; how can a cyber attack affect devices that are "air gapped?" I could see how an errant thumb drive or similar device that was physically placed into an air-gapped machine, but doesn't air-gapped imply separation from the web? What part aren't I getting? Thanks.
@brucelytle1144
@brucelytle1144 Місяць тому
Everyone that has sailed for any period of time, knows that Murphy was an optimist!
@wgowshipping
@wgowshipping Місяць тому
Damn Murphy!
@davidmurphy8190
@davidmurphy8190 Місяць тому
Hey, it took me a long time to formulate those rules and promulgate them.
@frankteunissen6118
@frankteunissen6118 29 днів тому
@@wgowshippingcareful! This phrase was coined by Mrs Murphy. You don’t want her on your case.
@johnatyoutube
@johnatyoutube Місяць тому
Thank you for this fantastic summary! I live in a residential waterway community on the Patapsco just downstream from the bridge. Many people don't realize that much of the outer part of the river is residential waterway communities that fully use our waterways for swimming, fishing, crabbing, boating, watersports, and more. Our communities continue to be concerned about timelines, relaxed environmental oversight and regulation to speed up the recovery, and potential pollution from the ship. We've been battling the state on planned dumping of contaminated harbor dredge off our shores for almost the last year. We even got a bill into the MD legislature. But it was killed immediately after the disaster. The shipwreck and bridge collapse ensured that little will stop the state from doing whatever it wants now. We're part of the ecologically precious Chesapeake Bay, but you'd never know it from the way they treat our river. It's all about the money from the shipping industry. I'll be sharing this with our communities.
@The_10th_Man
@The_10th_Man Місяць тому
Call the green Democrats. Just kidding they don’t care.
@madmeh2929
@madmeh2929 29 днів тому
This gives the current Democrat governor the “green” light to dump whatever he wants wherever he wants, and the media will cover it up for him even if they have to shovel it themselves.
@kelturner5452
@kelturner5452 29 днів тому
​@@The_10th_ManYou called it,they do care only about the green they're going to glean!!!!
@redevil7081
@redevil7081 29 днів тому
@@The_10th_ManCall Herr Trump, he’ll build you a wall…
@redevil7081
@redevil7081 29 днів тому
@@kelturner5452Call your local MAGA Nazi headquarters; they’ll sell you some Trump shoes and bibles, then you’ll have to pay attorney fees for harassment…
@stevejette2329
@stevejette2329 Місяць тому
10 years ago I did a simple river cleanup project. It is at the top of a tidal estuary so one could throw a stone across. The water and fish was Cal Fish and Wildlife. The river is Federal. The banks are state and the flats along the banks are city. The county would actually send me a dozen prisoners when there was a big job. But the hassles !!!
@sachadee.6104
@sachadee.6104 27 днів тому
😳
@PrenticeBoy1688
@PrenticeBoy1688 Місяць тому
We live in strange times. Rationality is extremely unpopular. You're fighting the good fight, Dr. M!
@jaysnively2472
@jaysnively2472 Місяць тому
"Rationality is extremely unpopular." Perfect - I'm stealing that one...
@PrenticeBoy1688
@PrenticeBoy1688 Місяць тому
@@jaysnively2472 Please do!
@letsburn00
@letsburn00 Місяць тому
People who scream about how much they hate elites never say if it's rich people or people who know what they're talking about. I tend to find it's usually that they hate people who know what they're talking about.
@PrenticeBoy1688
@PrenticeBoy1688 Місяць тому
@@letsburn00 You might be right, but I'm inclined to think that people confuse thoughts with feelings, especially in very emotional situations when there's been accidental loss of life. Making important decisions in the heat of the moment is a terrible idea. I hope the media and noisome but poorly informed politicians don't champion some new legislation that makes shipping much more expensive without actually making anybody safer. I think the public, in the absence of good information, tend to support things that make them feel better regardless of the efficiency of such things.
@letsburn00
@letsburn00 Місяць тому
@@PrenticeBoy1688 That's absolutely true. "The event" in 2020 had loads of people who got up in arms about medical experts. I was very confused by much of it, since I read the full reports and explanation of why recommended policy was what it was and even when the recommendation changed, it usually was due to reasons explained in the old policy "we do X because of Y, if X changes, Y may need to change." I eventually realised everyone who was confused or angry by the changes and recommendations never bothered to read the full report, they just watched a 30 seconds news segment. I also found that very often, people will have their feelings, then Adjust their world to match that. Even when almost all the information points one way, they will find the 1% that matches their feelings. It makes it extremely difficult to have a reasonable debate, because there is often a point where one side really is arguing and they have absolutely no reason to believe what they believe.
@jeffree9015
@jeffree9015 Місяць тому
Peter Zeihan, the man who seems super smart until he starts talking about a topic you have knowlege about yourself.
@Nobody-st7xh
@Nobody-st7xh 29 днів тому
He sells copium to American Boomers so they don't have reckon with the fact that they have completely destroyed the future of this country.
@SSK1977FEB
@SSK1977FEB 26 днів тому
Like newspapers (and other MSM). Look up "Gell-Mann Amnesia effect".
@jf7243
@jf7243 Місяць тому
Fascinating to see the protection around the power line poles and the complete lack of protection around the bridge piers.
@davisoneill7937
@davisoneill7937 27 днів тому
They just added that not too long ago
@brb__bathroom
@brb__bathroom Місяць тому
I was about to abandon the interwebs for today, then you posted something.
@jaymacpherson8167
@jaymacpherson8167 Місяць тому
Thank the GameMasters for not having us drink when “Dali” is said. I’m still hung over from the BobEl-youknowwho.
@rshawiii
@rshawiii Місяць тому
ISO Containers are amazing inventions. I bought some for storage. An empty 40 high cube comes in at about 9500lbs. Can gross out at nearly 70000lbs. Can have over 400000lbs of containers stacked on it. Above the capability of most helos.
@k53847
@k53847 Місяць тому
The Navy CH-53 or the newer MC CH-53Ks can move empties by weight (doesn't mean they are safe loads) or even partially loaded. But fully loaded you need an actual crane.
@meskes4059
@meskes4059 Місяць тому
Was gonna say, the only helo I could seen lift a can would be a shithook. Glad to have been confirmed on this
@brucegabel8518
@brucegabel8518 29 днів тому
A CH-53K has a lift capacity of 36,000 lbs. A CH-47D has a lift capacity of 26,000 lbs. A S-64 Sky Crane has a lift capacity of 20,000 lbs. All can easily lift an empty container. You can find photos of shipping containers being moved by the US Army in Afghanistan.
@k53847
@k53847 29 днів тому
@@brucegabel8518 Weight isn't always the problem, there is also some sort stability analysis that is needed. If that has already been done then it's just power and lift point rating. But all things considered, I'm not sure there is any reason to not just use cranes. Any weather that causes issues for cranes probably isn't good for helos.
@georgefoster6380
@georgefoster6380 Місяць тому
We live in the Baltimore-Washington corridor and have a 22' dual console boat that we operate out of the Magothy River. We boated to the Inner Harbor last August and went under the Key Bridge. Thankfully, we took some video while cruising under the bridge, so we have lasting video of the bridge that is no more. Sal seems to be the most trusted source right now for accurate and detailed information as to what is being done to clear the channel. Thank you, Sal. You're a great instructor. Hopefully we can cruise to the Inner Harbor again this summer but who knows.... other priorities obviously must come first.
@WickedIntentSemi
@WickedIntentSemi Місяць тому
I tell ya what since this accident and a trucker that took the key bridge frequently I discovered and been watching this channel since this accident happened and boy am I glad I did ! 😊 now when i think shipping I think Sal! This man is hands-down the very best knowledgeable professional talking youtuber I have ever heard break down technical information in a easy to understand format!!!! I also seen Sal on the news meaning even those stations know to call the best!!! Keep shining brother again us truckers thank you for the relentless updates 🤝
@AllNighterHeider
@AllNighterHeider Місяць тому
Welcome to the addiction, it gets worse, but it's productive. Sal really was made for this work.
@billblank5182
@billblank5182 Місяць тому
Great presentation of how the channel is being cleared. Just a minor correction… in engineering terms the Key Bridge structure is a truss, not a trestle. A trestle normally refers to the commonly seen matrix of splayed legs and bracing built under older railroad bridges.
@Luxnutz1
@Luxnutz1 Місяць тому
Sal being here and challenging what is being presented is so vital. As long as there are eyes on this and it's not off to the next story where mediocre practices will go on as usual unnoticed, this channel is irreplaceable. The issues just make themselves known effortlessly. Thank You
@HiwasseeRiver
@HiwasseeRiver Місяць тому
Look forward to the Ziehan reply video. That man is an free ranging yarn teller. He'll issue authoritative commentary on anything and when he speaks about my industry his facts are always about 99% wrong. This should be fun.
@paulrath7764
@paulrath7764 28 днів тому
Zeihan's 15 minutes of fame are over.
@SSK1977FEB
@SSK1977FEB 26 днів тому
Like MSM - look up "Gell-Mann Amnesia effect" ...
@jkbrown5496
@jkbrown5496 Місяць тому
The thing to remember about channel depths and soundings on a chart is that they are for navigation so they are more accurately where the bottom is not rather than a precision depth of the sea bottom. Accuracy has improves over the last 50 years, but for shipping it is far more important to know where the bottom is "not" rather than where it is below that depth. They seem to have determined that they can open a narrow limited access channel with reasonable certainty that nothing will be sticking up above 35 feet.
@MiniMausTruckerKee
@MiniMausTruckerKee Місяць тому
Thanks Sal for keeping us updated on the progress. I’m trucker & longshoremen in Delaware. I know how devastating this collapse has been on the community, longshoremen & truckers in Baltimore. I hope the channel can be clear soon, so the longshoremen & truckers can return to work.
@yhfsywfit
@yhfsywfit Місяць тому
Great video Sal, as a mariner myself I appreciate the compassion you show for seafarers and dock workers. Most people just don't know anything about this facet of the world.
@bradharoldson5034
@bradharoldson5034 29 днів тому
I’d never have thought that I would find such a podcast so compelling.
@jimw1615
@jimw1615 Місяць тому
MV Dali is aground ONLY because it has bridge structure and part of a steel reinforced concrete post sitting on her deck. With only two small compartments in the bow flooded, a lightened bow load, and the Key Bridge structure removed, the challenge will be in keeping her in place as she begins to refloat and to monitor the hull for further damage as the stresses change on it during this refloat operation.
@JustinNelsonsProjects
@JustinNelsonsProjects Місяць тому
I ran across your channel, no pun intended, right after the ever given situation. I have been subscribed and following you ever since, and I just want to express my appreciation for the factual content you put out. I see so many videos from other so-called news sources pointing to things like cyber attacks and all that unconfirmed nonsense. Your videos are simply 100% fact coming from someone who knows what he's talking about. And the fact that you bring on guests who may know more about a certain aspect like engineering and all that just adds to your credibility. Keep up the good work, Sal!
@davidhormby5928
@davidhormby5928 Місяць тому
Sal: You need to stop saying “Trestle”. The Key Bridge is a tied arch truss; not a trestle. It consists of a back span which transitions smoothly into the main arch and back to the second back span (also refered to as a three span cantilevered truss). Some engineers might refer to the simply supported approach spans as a trestle. “Tied” means the roadway deck is suspended by cables below the arch. Most news analysts have not considered the tangled mess of the deck and suspenders mixed in with the truss debris. Most analysts also overlook the stored load in the bridge debris. When you cut a tree in the back yard, you can get surprised by a branch jumping up or down or back because it is under load. Welders cutting truss members with oxy-acetylene torches will carefully analyze each member for pre-load. Thanks for your work on the channel. As an engineer, I cringe every time I listen to a local newman switch from "Cat caught in a tree" stories to "structure colapse" stories. Dave, PE (Ret.'d)
@williamspidel9349
@williamspidel9349 Місяць тому
Chief Makoi’s videos are great.
@sergeysmirnov1062
@sergeysmirnov1062 Місяць тому
Thanks for always doing such great work in keeping us up to date
@4commonsense747
@4commonsense747 Місяць тому
Previous reports indicated that when it was docked there were problems with overloads tripping the power off, refrigeration and something about maintenance looking into and resolving issues, maybe not quite? Thanks Sal, you do the community an informative service, some of us just like to have the knowledge passed our way from a dedicated man as you.
@pecan11
@pecan11 Місяць тому
This isn’t terribly unusual
@vipermad358
@vipermad358 Місяць тому
Than for turning me on to Chief Makoi!
@PapaTanGh0stNI9htM4R3S0nMaInSt
@PapaTanGh0stNI9htM4R3S0nMaInSt Місяць тому
The chiefs knowledge is awesome.
@billgraney
@billgraney Місяць тому
Thanks so much for sharing your expertise and experience on such an important topic.
@OutlierConcepts
@OutlierConcepts 29 днів тому
I think its a similar issue to the trail derailments. Issues like this happen way more frequently than the public is aware of, it's just when the big ones happen, they suddenly start looking for alternate causes. Like you said its very precarious, and people don't understand/don't want to acknowledge that.
@williamlloyd3769
@williamlloyd3769 Місяць тому
Appreciate your briefing / clarification of the salvage operation. Impressive operation to clear the waterway! PS - interesting how Tradepoint Atlantic has already expanded its ability to receive / export trucks and automobile plus is the staging site for disassembling bridge segments for further recycling.
@samuelcollins1331
@samuelcollins1331 Місяць тому
I made an informal tour of Trade Point Atlantic yesterday. They are geared up, with traffic signage galore , checkpoints in place, etc. I watched a Ro/Ro ship off loading imported automobiles not far from large, tangled bridge structural elements being readied for salvage. Very impressive highly energetic endeavor for sure.
@peterlv68
@peterlv68 Місяць тому
Great visuals, thanks for the explanation I initially was wondering what a pillar was, those are called piers.
@somethingelsehere8089
@somethingelsehere8089 Місяць тому
Along with sections of truss, as opposed to trestle?
@peterlv68
@peterlv68 29 днів тому
@@somethingelsehere8089 Yeah, if someone else hadn't already mentioned it in a comment, I would've.
@Ed-ip2sg
@Ed-ip2sg Місяць тому
Thanks again. Great to hear from someone who actually knows what he’s talking about
@george2113
@george2113 Місяць тому
Thanks Sal for keeping us in the loop
@josephconstante1222
@josephconstante1222 Місяць тому
The same type of thing happened in New Orleans in 1996 when the MV Bright Field lost power and slammed into the Riverwalk Mall. Luckily, no one was killed and only 140 people were injured. I was a police officer at the time and was going off duty when I heard the ships horns and the call coming over the radio about a vessel slamming into the mall. From what I remember the cause of this was a faulty sensor on the engine caused it to shut down.
@OneWildTurkey
@OneWildTurkey Місяць тому
Has there been any word about someone doing an internal inspection of the gas line under the bow? There have been cases where a line is ruptured but not leaking until after the item crushing into it is removed. That could make a real mess. Especially if they don't have the Dali fully disengaged when she's moved.
@Ana_Mystik
@Ana_Mystik Місяць тому
Thank you. I only just found your channel and you are my new favourite channel. Thank you sooo much. I love your shirts too, you rock dude. Love out to you and everyone from Glastonbury UK 🇬🇧 ❤️
@W.F.Fischer
@W.F.Fischer Місяць тому
Thanks for the update. Greetings from old Germany 🇩🇪
@Seahawk72s
@Seahawk72s Місяць тому
Thank you for a very detailed and clearly explained report. You took the time and covered all the bases, certainly one of your best shows.
@dewiz9596
@dewiz9596 Місяць тому
Dude! You’re just such a great source of information. . . and more trustworthy day by day, as I see the consistency of your videos
@13699111
@13699111 Місяць тому
Thank you for posting all the informative updates
@doggonedone2479
@doggonedone2479 Місяць тому
Sal - Thanks for keeping us current in the informative and succinct way only you could. BTW I think you mean "Truss" when you are describing the bridge steel superstructure supporting the horizontal roadway. You could say the Trestle is what got knocked over by Dali and the Piers are what the Trestles were sitting on.
@danmenes3143
@danmenes3143 Місяць тому
What I heard was "trustle," which I don't think is a word, but it should be.
@doggonedone2479
@doggonedone2479 Місяць тому
@@danmenes3143 HaHa! Trestle, Trustle hey who's counting.🤣
@guardrailbiter
@guardrailbiter 29 днів тому
I have great respect for Sal Mercogliano and I love this channel. That being said, it is worth pointing out that every instance in which he said _trestle,_ he should have said _truss._ A minor quibble, sure. It didn't stop me from giving a thumbs up and I'll remain a loyal subscriber.
@wgowshipping
@wgowshipping 29 днів тому
Sorry about that.
@timothymattson3680
@timothymattson3680 Місяць тому
Thanx for update and debunk . The cartoon video by Navy just needed a Highway/ Bridge Sandwich to show the layered mess . It was a hanging bridge with Steel Arch above , and below the Concrete highway that will also have those cables to mesh it in a bad way . My family bid on some rigging work for the Floating I/90 bridge that sunk on Lake Washington in 80s . We got deep water videos showing the Concrete Blocks each cable had going to it , Trouble was , there were 2 bridges with 300’ deep water in middle and cables went under the other remaining bridge and many were wiped out as older bridge went down . They used Tugs idling to counter wind and waves while rigging was restored. I remember seeing big fresh water lingcod or Burbot on each block in the black white video. I think the shallow of this river will keep cleanup to about a year, but lightening the ship bow to get it dockside for final container offload with that idle port involved . Sorry to the families going to have to await lots of debris removal.
@natopeacekeeper97
@natopeacekeeper97 Місяць тому
Thanks Sal for another great update! I look forward to each and every episode you post!!!
@celiawaddell4526
@celiawaddell4526 Місяць тому
Thank you for reviewing that video with us. If only the bridge deck could go away by editing. lol.
@lescoombes4850
@lescoombes4850 Місяць тому
I find you explain what is going on so clear and easy to understand. Thank you
@charlesrussell7472
@charlesrussell7472 29 днів тому
Trained with MEBA as a third, in the early eighties, assistant but didn’t stay in the trade. Three of the sips I sailed on were WWII vintage steam ships. Newest was an eight year old steam container ship. Lost power at least three times. Lost steam pressure twice. Luckily they both happened dockside. Almost had a head on collision in the channel entering New York in the fog. No engineers alarm on that ship and I slept through the boiler safeties lifting on full astern emergency bell. Steam safety substituted as an engineering alarm bell. Only had a stateroom alarm on one ship. Always wondered what life would have been like if I could have stuck with it.
@strykenine7902
@strykenine7902 Місяць тому
Can't wait for your take on whatever Peter is saying. He's always good for a yuk.
@kapekodbob
@kapekodbob Місяць тому
Another thing to consider is dock workers that are not going to sit aroind waiting. Some will seek employment elsewhere unless they are kept working repairing/maintaining equipment . If they are sent home you may not get them back.
@Joanzak52
@Joanzak52 Місяць тому
I love your channel. It actually tells me what is happening with this bridge. Thank you!
@krispypriest5116
@krispypriest5116 Місяць тому
Thanks Sal!!! Just a comment to help the algorithm!!! Peace.
@williambarry8015
@williambarry8015 Місяць тому
Sal, Thanks for being trustworthy.
@DerekTheAntony
@DerekTheAntony Місяць тому
Thanks yet again Sal! We appreciate your style, at home you're part of the Big 3 as we call them. Yourself, Ward Carroll, and Canadian Prepper. Ps saw ya on PBS yesterday for the Evergiven story, lookin good! My wife was like it's Sal!! 😆
@sthomas6369
@sthomas6369 Місяць тому
Truss, not "trestle". I have driven through Baltimore several times since the collision/collapse, if you're used to seeing the bridge out there, it's shocking and truly remarkable to see in person. From what I could see, the large truss in the channel on the North pier was removed in the last week.
@martincraven3835
@martincraven3835 29 днів тому
Good morning Sal from the UK, Absolutely spot on analysis. Your open minded constructive comments are very informative and refreshing. I understand that some folks out there are concerned about the who is commanding the clear up and salvaging exercise, I think that what has been achieved in the last few weeks demonstrates the fantastic efforts made by all who are currently working around the clock to get Baltimore back on its feet, they are definitely doing the correct thing. Great leadership and superb work ethic! You made some great comments regarding how Baltimore and the port infrastructure should focus there attention on what needs to be addressed in the future. I fully support what you say, although the investigation is not conclusive at this time I believe that the Dali unfortunately lost power at the wrong time, and given the position that she was heading and the available time that she had, IMHO for what it is worth, that the collision was unavoidable. Lastly I would just like to add that like me, you are very mindful of the fact that someones love ones are still to be recovered from the channel that they still have to clear. My thoughts and prayers are with the relatives. I believe that Baltimore port operations will be resumed fairly quickly, once the debris is removed the channel and ship, the Dali can have its mass reduced from the removal of its containers, then it may be possible to re-float her, which could be expedited through the use of Airbags and Tugs.
@michaelmeehan9083
@michaelmeehan9083 29 днів тому
Sal, thanks for your honest and realistic assessments of the situation in Baltimore, and your advocacy for overall port security and risk assessment.
@sdavrider
@sdavrider Місяць тому
2:50. Truss, not trestle.
@wgowshipping
@wgowshipping Місяць тому
My slip. Thanks!
@margarethorrall8621
@margarethorrall8621 Місяць тому
The internet has been hilarious and exasperating on this. I've been called names for saying that there's no evidence that the wreck was intentional. I've been scoffed at for pointing out that even though the bridge is in Baltimore, it's not Baltimore's bridge. I've been derided for saying this isn't an example of crumbling infrastructure. Something about the internet encourages people to get stupid about conspiracy theories.
@SSK1977FEB
@SSK1977FEB 26 днів тому
How did the poweroutage make the ship change course ? Was the bow trusters running to keep it on course ?
@margarethorrall8621
@margarethorrall8621 26 днів тому
@@SSK1977FEB When a ship or boat loses headway, it is said to "drift". "Drifting" means moving with the current and a container ship has a whole lot of resistance to provide to a current. The ship didn't "change course" it was pushed off course by the current. That's been widely reported though perhaps not on facebook.
@bobwallace6812
@bobwallace6812 Місяць тому
Great video. Thanks for the interesting info. What a long long time we will have ahead of us all.
@tomdewey9690
@tomdewey9690 Місяць тому
I can't wait to see the video with you and Peter. 2 of my favorite UKpostsrs. I've learned so much from you both.
@shawnkennedy855
@shawnkennedy855 Місяць тому
Wow,so somebody actually takes Peter seriously?
@jamesalles139
@jamesalles139 Місяць тому
Duplicated from from the USS Iowa channel Please to clarify the loaded cargo 1. Stated capacity is 10,000 TEUs, TEU being Twenty-foot Equivalent units. A forty-foot container would be 2 TEUs 2. published and repeated statement that the ship had 4,679 units on board. Some think that means the ship was less than 50% loaded. I believe that there was a 4,679 container count of various dimensions and an undefined quantity of TEUs I did a reality check on the words, and looked at the pictures. I make 2 assumptions 1. The holds are NOT nearly empty, but are mostly full, otherwise the center of gravity shift would make things dangerously unstable. 2. The containers can't be stacked higher than the ship's bridge So from my perspective, the ship was loaded to about 90% capacity. can this be clarified, please? thanks for the video
@wgowshipping
@wgowshipping Місяць тому
There are 4,679 containers on board - a mix of TEU and FEUs. So she is nearly full above and below deck with a mix of boxes. Assume that about 1/3 of them are empty.
@jamesalles139
@jamesalles139 Місяць тому
@@wgowshipping Thanks! Yup, guessing at the tonnage is above my pay grade! Thanks for the rule of thumb. Also, I was quite surprised to learn that an empty 40' container might weigh 2 tons. Thanks for addressing that in the video.
@SteamCrane
@SteamCrane Місяць тому
Yup, 10,000 TEUs is 5,000 FEUs. Looks like there is a fair number of 20s, mostly 40s.
@sec808
@sec808 Місяць тому
Every time you say to remove the bridge from the ship I think "why remove the deckhouse?" then remember which type of "bridge" you are talking about 🤣🤣🤣
@wgowshipping
@wgowshipping Місяць тому
😂
@ImieNazwiskoOK
@ImieNazwiskoOK 29 днів тому
Since power is on and crew is still on board, their bridge still remains operational
@Kyzyl_Tuva
@Kyzyl_Tuva Місяць тому
Your updates are great Sal. Thank you.
@chris8612
@chris8612 Місяць тому
Can't wait for the Zhan reply. Btw thanks for your deep exploration of this issue.
@lisashiela9137
@lisashiela9137 Місяць тому
US Army Corps of Engineers, the same folks who re-plumbed the everglades and then designed the disastrous New Orleans levee, I can't wait to see what's in store for Baltimore.
@mikethelakesidelogger8757
@mikethelakesidelogger8757 Місяць тому
Helicopter could used for removing containers. Quick but expensive. Less restrictive in the wind than cranes. Both the heavy lift Chinook and the Sikorsky S64 easily lift over twenty thousand pounds so empty ones would be no problem. Used them for heli logging is my experience. I appreciate your time and learn a bunch from every show. Well done.
@mattywho8485
@mattywho8485 Місяць тому
Yeah, empty 40' containers only weigh 8,000 ish pounds, so a sky crane can easily pick one up, even two for that matter.
@andrewsnow7386
@andrewsnow7386 Місяць тому
But what is the advantage? Multiple cranes (at least 2) could be used simultaneously at the front of the ship. I don't think you could safely do this with helicopters. Rigging the containers has to be easier under a crane than under the downwash of a helicopter. You say the the helicopter would be less restrictive in winds? This seems counter intuitive. Anyway, with the huge overcapacity of the crane they are using, I suspect any wind restrictions have more to do with the safety of the rigging crew than that of the crane and this concern would be the same with a helicopter. And a big crane like that has some real advantages over ta helicopter. For example, if there are any concerns about the integrity of a damaged container, the crane can lift inch by inch and see if anything goes wrong. In contrast, a helicopter would be increasing the force until something moves. If, say, the bottom fell out of a container, the crane would barely move. A helicopter on the other had would shoot upwards at the loss of weight. In short, to me the crane seems safer and faster.
@WALTERBROADDUS
@WALTERBROADDUS Місяць тому
Too dangerous, too expensive.
@user-df8zj2ov2s
@user-df8zj2ov2s Місяць тому
Doctor Sal, you are the best! Another great video! Thank you Sir!
@JBSC4
@JBSC4 Місяць тому
Good assessment. On another video when you said the ship was aground and had flooding forward I thought the bow thruster room as well. Didn’t really think of the forepeak, but when you point it out it makes sense.
@Harry_Gurvich
@Harry_Gurvich Місяць тому
This is the presentation graphics by our Army Corps of Engineers? In year 2024? Seriously?
@wgowshipping
@wgowshipping Місяць тому
That is what I thought too.
@jamieo8653
@jamieo8653 Місяць тому
Don’t sugar coat Sal! Is there a problem Houston? My God, my heart goes out to the 6 victims of this incident but we know evolution could have been much worse. Similar issues exist throughout the USA’s transportation network whether ship, rail, auto and air but who is the decision makers? Thank you Sal!🇺🇸
@jamescole1786
@jamescole1786 Місяць тому
4/11/24..thx Sal for another enthusiastic & uplifting report on Key Bridge/MV DALI wreckage removal. Appreciate how you gather up latest info from USCG, NAVY & US Corps of Engineers...+ other related issues. Good job Sal! Much enjoy your videos!👍💪✅️😊🍺
@johnland5042
@johnland5042 Місяць тому
Thanks again Sal for this important update. Top notch job as usual.
@wgowshipping
@wgowshipping Місяць тому
Much appreciated
@robertbeck4748
@robertbeck4748 Місяць тому
Sikorsky CH-53E Super Stallion lifts 36000 lbs Erickson s-64 air crane lifts 25000 lbs Russian mil mi 26 lifting capacity 44,000 lb The maximum weight for a standard loaded 40-ft container is 67,200 lb.
@alanstevens1296
@alanstevens1296 Місяць тому
Each bridge beam weighs many times that. Forget helicopters.
@kenosabi
@kenosabi Місяць тому
No one with a brain is debating it was the loss of power. The debate is in why power was lost and why the 2 most vital minutes of collision weren't recorded.
@wgowshipping
@wgowshipping Місяць тому
Again, there is nothing to record when the ship losses power. They will recover the data from the engine computers.
@danfarris135
@danfarris135 Місяць тому
Pay attention. He explained it in the video if you watched it. But to help you out, the recorder has its own battery powered system and Was working. But with the rest of the ships power system down there isn’t any data to record from all the outputs.
@ypaulbrown
@ypaulbrown Місяць тому
Thank You Sal, cheers from Florida ...Paul
@fcbrants
@fcbrants 29 днів тому
Very informative update, thank you!! Chief MAKOi's analysis of a ship's engine room is another excellent resource.
@mikefochtman7164
@mikefochtman7164 Місяць тому
Yes, worked in a different industry but we also collected data from around the plant. Computer/ recording system had UPS for power, but almost all the transmitters, signal conditioners, and other inputs were not. Lose a power board somewhere in the plant and all the inputs from that line is lost. Not some nasty conspiracy or such, just how the equipment is laid out and works. (and yeah, you COULD put all those instruments on several more UPS installed all over the place, but $$$ versus a rare event and $$$ often wins)
@micheldaubigne7629
@micheldaubigne7629 Місяць тому
Thank you so much for another very detailed and informative production Dr. Mercogliano. I Assumed the ship was down by the head considering the way her starboard side sheered the Pile but you cleared that issue up quite nicely noting her sterns downward pitch / draft is almost entirely to the bottom . Thank you again for all your hard work. ~M
@johnnield2389
@johnnield2389 29 днів тому
After this incident took place, I was immediately in search of reputable information concerning the cleaning up of the channel and the rebuilding of the bridge. Knowing nothing about maritime activities, I went to my favorite source of reporting. That is the Blanco Lirio channel with Jaun Brown. he immediately put forth your name, and UKposts channel. thank the Lord, for truthful and factual, reporting!
@Riverguide33
@Riverguide33 Місяць тому
“Better call Sal”….great update….Thanks. 👍
@IanMaschal
@IanMaschal Місяць тому
Thanks for the full screen presentation sir.
@raitchison
@raitchison 29 днів тому
Yesterday I listened to part 1 of the USS Iowa podcast. Great content, can't wait for part 2.
@stephanieparker1250
@stephanieparker1250 Місяць тому
Thanks, Sal! An eye opening video for sure.. 🤔👍
@FrederickRH1
@FrederickRH1 Місяць тому
Great reporting. Thanks for sharing all of this with us landlubbers.
@RVail623
@RVail623 Місяць тому
There are some rail tunnels along the NE corridor in the Baltimore area that are being height upgraded to allow for double-decker intermodal train cars to operate. So that potentially the rail segment between Baltimore & Philadelphia would also be able to handle those double-decker train cars. Possibly influencing shipper's choice of which east coast port to use, in the future.
@alivdee9946
@alivdee9946 Місяць тому
That one comment "This isn't watergate" did it for me ;)
@danapeck5382
@danapeck5382 26 днів тому
Thanks. From SpaceX to maritime, always comes down to crane operators. Amazing we can't seem to bring ourselves to acknowledge we need foreign cranes. All the best
@SaxyPlayer96
@SaxyPlayer96 Місяць тому
I know plenty have said it, but, thank you Sal!
@parkerholden7140
@parkerholden7140 Місяць тому
Nice to see the NSTB focusing on the electrical system. Unstable load sharing on parallel generators appears to be the root cause of the episode. Rent a Crew is common in Europe. Crew skills are all over the map.
@Mehranwahid
@Mehranwahid 29 днів тому
Great job as usual Sal - thank you so much!
@TheMan-yj6es
@TheMan-yj6es Місяць тому
This guy knows his stuff
@serversurfer6169
@serversurfer6169 28 днів тому
7:00 I agree, it seems like the animator got confused. It looks like there's 15' of rubble on the bottom of a 50' channel, and they're going to make a 280' gap in the trusses for small ships to pass over the rubble. Then after the Dali is cleared, they can clear out the rubble and make the channel 50' deep again. 👍
@Richbund
@Richbund Місяць тому
Hi Sal, Thank you for the pertinent and interesting information, particularly your insights for best practices of harbor/port management. And from your previous youtube post about work arounds using military vessels to get cargo and cars to Baltimore while the Army Core of engineers work on the main channel. Cheers!
@jjhowey
@jjhowey Місяць тому
@Sal - Thanks for the channel/episodes! Future episode idea -- If you've heard about any planning on replacing the bridge - it would be nice to hear in a future WGOWS episode. Including how this will impact the Channel when they get around to it.
@jeffroepke4052
@jeffroepke4052 29 днів тому
Great shout-out to the port workers! Thanks…
@EvolvingwithEtta
@EvolvingwithEtta 29 днів тому
Very thorough update. Thank you for showing true and detailed factual information.
@THEFORBIDDENMAN-lk7of
@THEFORBIDDENMAN-lk7of Місяць тому
THANKS FOR THE UPDATE , GLAD THAT EVERYTHING IS GOING TO PLAN WITH THE REMOVAL YES IS GOING TO TAKE TIME BUT THAT CANT BE HELPED MAY EVERYONE STAY SAFE ON THIS PROJECT.
@alsheremeta
@alsheremeta Місяць тому
If this happened in a Chinese port, the channel would have been open to shipping in a week... Can't say all the workers would have gone home, but it would be open.
@THEFORBIDDENMAN-lk7of
@THEFORBIDDENMAN-lk7of Місяць тому
WHAT YOU WANT THE CHANNEL OPEN NO MATTER WHAT IT TAKES TO DO, EVEN IF PEOPLE GET INJURED OR THE SHIP SINKS OR EVEN SOME OF THE HAZARD CARGO BROKE OPEN CAUSING MORE RISK AND DAMAGE TO THE PORT, THINK NOT IT WILL BE SAFELY OPEN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
@signorpippistrello
@signorpippistrello 29 днів тому
Thank you Sal! I thought ”Cmon Baltimore again?“ and of course it was again a great breakdown of the situation and highly informative!
@petegarcia6408
@petegarcia6408 29 днів тому
Thank you for the detailed update!
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