A fantastic dialogue. H.R. isn’t wrong about the global community hedging, and Hanson is right about Americans being sick of endless war and deflection from domestic issues. The American taxpayer is sick and tired of being squeezed both ways.

When I saw that Hanson and McMaster were on and that they were going to include Ukraine as an issue, I knew immediately that sparks were going to fly - and I wasn't disappointed! A Neocon Vs a Magacon! It was still cordial (after all, their paychecks are written by the same institution). Since their offices are next to each other at the Hoover Institution, I can only imagine how their conversations go (about Ukraine) in private!

I'll Always give a Thumbs Up for Any Podcast that has Victor David Hanson speaking 👍

Professor Hanson is one of the greatest minds of his generation. I greatly enjoy his well informed commentary here and look forward to listening to his podcasts. Keep up the great work!

Outstanding. !!! A civilized discussion....... taking a look at the facts. Disagreements without the vomiting of emotions and hysteria. Hallelujah Jesus!!! 😇 Maybe there is hope for our country. First time visiting the Hoover Institution. Love Victor Davis Hanson....watch him on various on-line videos and podcasts. Have his book "The Dying Citizen." Gave copies to a couple of co-workers also. Going to get the next one. Looking forward to it.

I don't think Trump will give the Ukane more aid. I also find China more of a threat than Russia.

The quality of this conversation is leagues above anything I’ve watched/heard/read, in years. Victor Davis Hanson is brilliant and he’s in good company at the Hoover Institution. Bravo!

Victor Davis Hanson is a national treasure!

What a great history lesson. I used to think history was boring. Must of been my teachers, huh.

We should’ve voted for Ross Perot over 20 years ago. People should quit voting for career politicians. These are the people that are the problem. They are out of touch.

every word from Victor Davis Hanson's lips are rubys and pearls to me.......I am impressed!

I have loved Mr. Hanson for years! Classics and History are my bread and butter. Also really like the Brando intro. "I could've been somebody!"😂👏

I love you VDH may God continue to fill your head with His Wisdom

More Victor Davis Hanson !

Excellent work. But, "people are not dumb"? It's time we address the elephant. Our public schools are performing as designed.

Great debate…you will not find this quality of discussion anywhere on the internet. Thank you.

Also, on the Ukraine, I do not believe Putin wants to be under China’s thumb. They are not two countries that have anything in common if left just to each other. If we pull Putin in our orbit he would be much more agreeable to negotiate. We also need to be PAID, in someway for our military support. We cannot do this for free anymore

Really enjoyed VDH on this episode.

Without a doubt, this is my favorite show, regardless of the media. I always learn something worth learning.

Very nice to see friendly debate between Victor and H.R. I can see they are on different sides of the issue, but both sides put their case forward very well - lots of food for thought. Hoover and GoodFellows should have more guests over who disagree for quality debate like this.

It´s refreshing seeing the Hoover Inst having FINALLY a debate on the Ukrainian question.

Nice to see someone effectively pushback on the optimistic position on Ukraine.

Thank-you Victor you have so much common sence and I follow your opinions and will by your new book---again thank-you guys.

What a wonderful experience it has been to listen to these intelligent gentlemen. When they disagree they can explain their positions with civility. Thank you, Hoover Institution.

"...feign sober and judicious conduct..." LOL!!!! Great One, Dr. Hanson! 45 will definitely smile when he hears that...

Great discussion.👏

Yay! Another Goodfellas, and VDH to boot. It’s a good night.

Thank you VDH! You made much more sense to me than all of the others.

Victor Davis Hanson has such a mild mannered force of both personality and knowledge. He is measured and balanced with historical and current application to present an unbiased opinion. Congratulations to the panel you are all enlightened minds and gentlemen... Good Fellows says it All.

I think we have an excellent opportunity as advisors to fast and pray that God would provide direction for all parties involved Amen (May it be so)

The best show, important to listen, very refreshing and informative and kind of optimistic!! Thanks a lot!!

Victor, please...Your statement that the Russian limited operation [which it was in the beginning] was an act of aggression [when the Minsk agreements to end the war in the Donbas were ignored] the invasion of Ukraine was really an act of survival and mercy for the Russian citizens of the Donbas. And then to hear how we have to keep arming Ukraine with more weapons to "win" when we are not capable of that mission or we would have already accomplished that.

No wonder the US loses every war the past 3 decades, we have generals like McMaster.

My fav podcast is back. Will definitely watch. Big fan from South Africa.

I have listened to McMasters for over a year now and I can't get out of my head that he must be blindly committed to the American Military Industrial Complex. Never once does he condemn or criticize the use of the military. And, Oh boy, is it Sacred to him. I believe he worships at the alter of the AMIC.

The rematch is not between those two individuals. Is between the people , the intellectuality and the youth against the class in power.

Thanks for allowing Dr Hansen to push back against these “therapeutic” thinkers with his “Tragic” thought. I almost gave up on this show because it never had its most distinguished Military Historian on to balance the panel. Good job!

Please bring on Stephen Kotkin to talk about Navalny and the upcoming Russian election!

A nicely contentious episode! This one was fun, gentlemen. Thank you!

On The Waterfront!! One of the best films ever made.

Awesome show!!!! Loved every minute!!! Loved the back and forth of these distinguished people!!!

Could you imagine what it would be like if either side of the aisle politely said “ I have to disagree with you on that and here is why.”. And then politely and civilly talked it out until Both sides came to a sensible conclusion .Wouldn’t that be something? Would a world it would be .

"I never understood the logic of a country that has 30 million people vs 144million trying to do a Guderian or Patton breakthrough of that Maginot line of minefields..." The look on HR's and Cochrans face when Hanson said this is absolutely priceless. Finally someone on the show to challenge them on the mere *facts* of the reality of this war. Great respect for all of these gentlemen, but I have always found the optimism surrounding Ukraine's chances in this war baseless and counterproductive for Ukraine's cause. They wasted a lot of equipment and men on that Summer offensive that could be used for defense today.

Here are my examples, 1980s Spain, 1960s France, 1910s Canada, 1990s South Africa, 1950s Japan. And 1980s Brazil. Of divided lands that sustained stable democracies. Plus 1950s , west Germany, Luxembourg, and Belgium. And maybe 1970s Italy.

It's great to hear an excellent debate. I wish we had more of this. Thanks!

McMasters needs to slow down on filling out TDY vouchers and spends some time in the US looking at the American decline in recruiting and capabilities - the fact is we have none. Moreover, the saki has gotten to him if he actually thinks Ukraine can be capable of fighting as a modern combined force within the next ten years, even with free equipment.

Thank you guys, Information = knowledge

Excellent discussion. Thank you.

I wish VDH was on all the time. I really like how he isn't afraid to push back on the ideas of others. It makes the conversation much more dynamic and keeps things from being just head nods between everyone. I'm oversimplifying of course, there are minor disagreements, but the questions that VDH asks as far as Ukraine are really important to consider, especially if you support the military aid to the Ukrainians.

Fantastic show. Thanks.

Well at least they didn't hold back.

"Hope is a charlatan that never ceases to deceive. For me, I was never happier than after I had lost it." Nicolas Chamfort: The Great Fellows do not revive my own lost hopes, but it is comforting to know that such people endure: Many, many thanks men. 🥰Mick the Hick.

Good one! Thank you!

What was the point of having John Cochrane on this program, if you weren't going to allow him to get a word in edgeways?

Always good to hear a polite debate among gentlemen. Thank you all.

VDH won this discussion in a bloodbath.

The last comments about the self-loathing of our professors is true. I hope their students can see their way clear.

VDH and McMasters need their own show.

What an awesome discussion. Thank you gentlemen! God Bless.

One of the best!

I love watching VDH. Such a knowledgeable person.

Ultimately without convincing THE VOTERS arguing among the experts is irrelevant.

Great Show!

Excellent

Thank you!!!!

Alas, inflation is more than monetary stimulus. It is also wage / price spirals and if you dont think we are currently caught in an inflationary loop you probably argued inflation was transitory depsite year 3+ of core inflation being twice the target rate. Keep telling yourself it is solved by a target rate and real rates that are barely positive

I absolutely love reading VDH. However, listening to him speak extemporaneously can be downright painful. We seem to have lost the ability to disagree vehemently while remaining civil. I applaud the panelists and their respectful debate.

Yeah VDH is the wisdom this country needs.

Top flight job by reasonable, knowledgeable, thoughtful individuals all. Always highly impressed by the vast knowledge, wisdom, and articulate capabilities by VDH. A true American treasure. Should be Trump's Chief of Staff, or some other highly impactful position in the leadership. Thanks to each of you for an excellent discussion and expression of different views in a discussion rather than an attack on one expressing a different view.

I can't survive...and the country is lost. It's too late. I am hopeless

Ended on a mother beautiful note.

Great show

Great stuff

Love listening to VDH, but his predilection for Patton as a great general is a concern...

thx guys!

With all due respect, at 24:25, it is purported that Putin broke the Minsk Agreement. Merkel admitted, as was confirmed by Neftali Bennet, that this agreement was but a means to allow Ukraine more time to prepare for what was on the part of Nuland and her cohort, an anticipated and sought after military conflict. .

How about this for more descriptive accuracy, American First and the DEMOCIDE Party!!!

Incredible discussion, I just wish the main stream media had the intellectual bandwidth to understand the content of this discussion and convey it to our general population. Unfortunately, the mean intellects charged with being the third leg of democracy aren’t up to the task, and worse in many cases saboteurs. God help this country.

Russia can sustain this effort. This is a war of attrition and NATO is losing. VDH is terrific.

Not another cent for Ukraine. In fact, not another cent for NATO.

The first mistake is getting involved in first place!! Stay the hell out of other peoples business until your own house is clean!!

I appreciated the debate, but I simply can't agree that any and all future positive geopolitical outcomes in the ME are dependent on the US having an open-ended blank-check policy on Ukraine. Exactly how much money would it cost us to "win" this war? Is it even winnable in the conventional sense?

This was great

Growing Almonds in AUS ; I remember them, I looked into them, then went away quickly !

It's the Ukes that have suffered the mass casualties: as many as 500,000 dead. T'here are no Ukrainians left to fight. The average age of the Uke on the front line is over 40 years old.

Now I know why VDH isn't invited on the program more often......🙄 He makes EVERYBODY look bad.

Come to Europe THOUSANDS OF UKRAIAN MEN LUVING HERE!! Seriously thousands of them Europe has taken in tooo many and the amazing loss of life? Is the rest of the world missing smthg Kiev on tv last week place is hoping the program was showing a beautiful new book shop opening? I can’t believe what I’m listening to hear

Idiocy: "The MURDER of Navalny!"

*The best perforance ever was by Charles Laughton in the film 'Hunchback of Notre Dame'*

These people are still living in the early 90’s 😒

Good show!!!

Where is devil's advocate? Whole hour of preaching to the choir ..

I am a fan of Mr. Hansen but was disappointed with his performance in this forum. He was overly defensive and wasn't listening to McMaster's comments and was more interested in being "right" then in solving the problem. I still like Hanson Maybe he was just having a bad day.

After trying to listen each time VDH appears on the program, ive concluded he is in fact intolerable.

Although I realize that many people may disagree, I believe that the error that NATO has made with Russia in regard to Ukraine, has been in not being anywhere near aggressive enough. I believe that deterrence is very important. I think that great efforts should be made to either stop bad things from happening or to stop them from getting worse. I think that a major motivator for Putin's actions in regard to Ukraine starting with the 2014 invasion and annexation of Crimea, has been his belief that the West is indecisive and scared and that he could get away with doing pretty much anything that he wanted to. I believe that the primary reason for the inadequate reaction of NATO has been fear of a nuclear conflict. Basically, I believe that through nonsensical bluffs and the West's own independent fear, Putin and his cronies have succeeded in cowing the NATO alliance into allowing Russia to seize Crimea in 2014 and begin a new invasion in 2022 that could result in Ukraine's eventual defeat. I believe that the chances of Russia's using nuclear weapons in Ukraine is miniscule at best. If Putin/Russia used nuclear weapons, I am sure they realize that they could easily be "signing their own death warrant" which I very much doubt they have much interest in doing. I strongly believe that corrupt government officials and oligarchs who spend billions of dollars of stolen money on colossal yachts and mansions have very little interest in committing suicide in attempts to keep stolen lands in Ukraine. People who are very interested in worldly goods of great luxury, are expressing a strong desire to go on living. When Russia seized Crimea in 2014, I believe that the U.S. and the rest of NATO should have told Putin in "no uncertain terms", that if Russian forces did not immediately leave Crimea, they would send their military into Crimea and destroy the Russian forces that were present there. If Russia had not complied with that demand, then NATO should have made that threat a reality. These actions almost surely would have prevented the 2022 Ukraine war from happening and could have saved hundreds of thousands of Ukranian lives. In 2022 when U.S. intelligence predicted that Russia was about to invade Ukraine, the U.S. and the rest of NATO should have warned Putin/Russia, that if they go ahead with their invasion, then the combined NATO forces would enter Ukraine and destroy the Russian military that was present. Again, I think that that this action could have very possibly stopped the Russian invasion before it happened. I still believe that the U.S. and the rest of NATO should take direct and aggressive action now in the war in Ukraine. I believe that the combined NATO forces should send into Ukraine a very large military force and destroy the Russian military that is present there. Russia is no longer a super-power and has not been one since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Russia has demonstrated in Ukraine for all to see, that it does not have a great military. The Russians are well aware that they cannot possibly successfully stand up to the U.S. alone or to the combined forces of NATO. The only real danger that Russia has is a large nuclear arsenal that I would strongly suggest that they dare not use. Confronting Russia on a Ukrainian battlefield would in fact not create "World War III". - This is a myth. The 32 countries that make up NATO versus Russian forces that are present in Ukraine, is not a World War. It is the total destruction of those Russian forces that have invaded Ukraine. NATO needs to "grow a backbone". China, North Korea and Iran are not sending armies to Ukraine to fight "shoulder to shoulder" with Russia. - This is not going to happen. This threat of World War III is little more than nonsense that Russian would dearly love for the West to believe. Russia should be forced to give back to Ukraine, every inch of land that they have illegally seized including Crimea. After all Ukrainian lands have been returned, Russia should be compelled to pay backbreaking reparations to rebuild all of Ukraine that they have destroyed. A stern message needs to be sent to all aggressor nations that all they will receive for their actions is military defeat, isolation and economic collapse.

@26:10...so more, better weapons will lead to...........LESS death?

America first nobody second .

It is really, really hard to listen to McMaster. His view of reality is so unhinged. And ... the Minsk agreement? He is using that as an example of an agreement Russia would not honor? No idea what timeline he is in.

Telling Zelensky to be proportionate in his military response against russia is like telling me to be proportionate with my punches against Mike Tyson. The obtusity is stunning.

I'm hearing so many military and ex military pundits totally in disagreement with McMaster across the board starting with who rejected the Mintz accord. Why is it so difficult to get basic facts as to what the present situation is. That Nuland just resigned to me suggests that the McMaster- administration position has less and less support. I think I dead and listen to a lot more news and information than mist average Americans on this subject and find this conflicting info so frustrating. For my money I think Victor is raising important issues. And I don't necessarily agree that Ukraine is the avenue for projecting US deterrence power.