Wahoo ELEMNT Summit Freeride: First Look // Details // Road Tested
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День томуWahoo have today announced their upcoming SUMMIT FREERIDE feature which will detect upcoming climbs and give you a preview of the road ahead without having to load a route. I've been part of the best testing pool for this feature for the last few weeks, so in this video I'll cover all the details of this update and take it both on-road and off-road to see it in action!
Links:
Wahoo Official: bit.ly/2LtFLfl
Wahoo ELEMNT ROAM 2 & BOLT 2: bit.ly/3yYUjrl
Wahoo 1/4 Turn Adapter: bit.ly/2V7rzgg
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Video Index:
0:00 Intro
1:04 What's New with Summit Freeride
2:09 Road Test - Five Climbs Route
6:44 Road Test - Climb Stitching
7:56 Gravel Test - Summit Configuration Options
9:22 MTB Test
10:38 Summit Freeride Data Fields
12:04 Why Just BOLT2 and ROAM2?
12:34 Smart Climb Detection Discussion
12:56 Wrap Up
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@peterlukan Рік тому
I'm returning my one week old 840 ... and goint to RoamV2 from Boltv1. Wahoo is just too easy for me ... and Garmin on the other side is just too complicated with lots and lots of "features" which I figured - that I don't need - even I thought they would be nice to have. Thank you Shane for updating and explaining us what is comming out
@timsinclair3024 Рік тому
Superb review Shane (as ever) ;-) What amazes me about the ELEMNT devices is just how much more has been added to them since the first release! Wahoo just keep innovating and improving the experience all the time! I'm sure there's a LOT more to come from them too :-)
@fabianmolyneux2308 Рік тому
Great report. Wahoo certainly look to be taking the "edge" off Garmin. It's Climbpro feature seems to be more advanced and being rolled out to existing units unlike Garmin. For the first time ever it really gives me pause to seriously consider changing my ride long allegiance from Garmin to Wahoo, - the equivalence of changing religions . Again, thanks
@mlegrand Рік тому
How dare they use those Chevrons. Looks like a gorgeous day there Shane! Cool that you can move this Summit details to whichever page you'd like. That MTB climb looks like a wall not a climb 😆
@lastpme 25 днів тому
Just switched from the Roam v1 to the v2, so far I am loving the new computer 🖥️
@chrishophoto Рік тому
This looks great! I'm looking forward to using this on my Bolt V2!
@MrLuigi-oi7gm Рік тому
GREAT REVIEW!!! 👏👏👏 And kudos to Wahoo!!! 👏👏👏 The Garmin 1030+ has 32 GB of internal memory and impressive chipset. Despite this more than capable hardware, you'll never see Garmin giving this cycling computer its new Free Ride Climb Pro functionality because of its desire to entice users to upgrade to their 1040 computers. Considering the extravagant prices of these computers, how many people can really afford to do that? SMH. 🤦♂️
@andrelloyd4010 8 місяців тому
Great content as always Shane !
@markalison2073 Рік тому
Perfect review Shane. Clear and succinct. Much better than others reviewing this new feature. Thanks so much.
@anthonymian1242 Рік тому
Mate I bought a roam 2! Thanks for the heads up in your Garmin video!!!🎉🎉
@DeLFeTube 6 годин тому
Which Garmin video ?
@smccarthy1975 Рік тому
This new update is gonna be class , thanks Shane , great info as always & props to Wahoo also
@bluesthemoose Рік тому
That look ahead elevation profile is a great feature… especially on roads you don’t know, it allows you to see what’s coming and prepare yourself. Super useful when descending on an MTB too, for example to let you know that after the next blind corner, there’s a massive climb and you should downshift in preparation.
@RetroracerDB1 Рік тому
Sometimes you just don’t want to know how bad it’s gonna be.
@Tommy31416 Рік тому
Wahoo are still light years ahead of Garmin. Since I made the switch a year ago, my enjoyment of cycling has returned after years of frustration with Garmin units that have “features” that are basically all broken and have remained broken in perpetuity
@Cheg78 Рік тому
Lets hope that Wahoo survives (being in deep financial trouble).
@dvdsaiz Рік тому
Garmin climb pro feature works fine as well.
@abelblanco_visuals Рік тому
@@Cheg78 I really hope so! I trying to hold on and wait for a new bolt to upgrade my solid element bolt v1.
@Tommy31416 Рік тому
@@dvdsaiz not any time I’ve used it. It lags by up to 20 seconds, just like the power (9 second lag) and grade (12 to 14 seconds) data fields. If all you ride are steady gradient climbs it wouldn’t be as noticeable. But on climbs going 5, then 15, then false flat and back into 12% it’s clear as day that having climb pro active is worse than just riding on feel. In fact riding on feel far outweighs having an Edge feeding you nonsensical and utterly inaccurate data. I hope the equipment Garmin supply the US military is a bit more on point than their consumer level trash.
@dvdsaiz Рік тому
@@Tommy31416 you can see the last videos comparing this feature on Shane Miller or dcrainmaker and works fine on Garmin, wahoo and HH.
@n22pdf Рік тому
Awesome.. but shame its only the Roam2 and I have the V1
@DanonOP Рік тому
Great video and showcase of the new functionality! Can’t wait to test it out on and off the road 😂
@vprasad007 Рік тому
Looking forward to testing this out in the Dandenong ranges in May on my Bolt v2..Cheers Shane!
@gplama Рік тому
Let me know how it goes. It's been a while since I've been out that way cranking up the 1in20 and Devils Elbow.
@ruandol Рік тому
Great review as ever Shane, really looking forward to the update in May. Another question; how did you get the colour shading to appear in your 3 second weighted power?
@ajmeyer66 Рік тому
Great video, it will be a few years yet before I am going to upgrade my head unit but it is interesting to see what is out there. I have had my Edge 530 since June of 2021 and it does pretty much all I need it to do, so a few more years before I will really feel the need to upgrade.
@radekmlcoch4402 8 місяців тому
Fantastic video. I have Bolt v2 but didnt see Summit Segment setup page in my menu. Where is a problem?
@kay_jay_em Рік тому
Bolt V1 still kicking…will never upgrade 😂
@ndizl Рік тому
I'm looking forward to getting this feature on my bolt 2. It might be nice to see the path it's showing the elevation profile for on the map when not on a climb. Or does it just presume no turn offs?
@rafv14 Рік тому
Looks like a great implementation of freeride climb detection. What I would love to see is data fields which provide averages for the length of the detected climb, ie average power, average heartrate etc. Of course I can press the lap button at the bottom of the climb but it would be great to have this automated so to speak.
@funk44 Рік тому
Hallelujah!!
@stevenscott7738 Рік тому
Really good review - i take it the elevation profile for planned routes works exactly the same as within freeride.?
@paulinblack9036 Рік тому
Awesome video as always! Would love to have access to this on the Roam V1 - If only there was someway to attach external storage. My original Elemnt battery only started to die last summer, so bought a Roam V1 months before the V2 became available - Doh! Can't justify the change just yet...or can I ?
@jeron1847 Рік тому
Nice video again Shane. Not have very many climbs nearby but this update puts the devices back up there again with the rest. I have a small question though. I noticed that the chevrons map page were colored according to the average grade of the climb I reckon. Did they also change the legibility of the chevrons while navigating (like colored with an outline instead of just solid black)?
@bridgets1116 Рік тому
Well the Elemnt Roam just moved up my priority list! Not sure if it's that or a set of RS100 pedals for the road bike
@collins735 Рік тому
I wouldn’t know about half of these upcoming features and products if it wasn’t for Shane. I hope the companies reward you well lol. A shame my original bolt can’t get the update though 😢
@jeskli11 Рік тому
Pro tip for riding up super steep climbs on a MTB 😅: sit right on the tip of the saddle, unlock the rear shock (or put it in the middle position if you have a 3-pos lockout) and drop the saddle down a little (maybe quarter to third of the dropper post travel). It may feel wierd at first, you will feel as if no power gets transfered to the rear wheel with the saddle low and suspension moving, but it allows you to get that extra traction to climb up just about any wall.
@gplama Рік тому
The tip of the saddle was almost inserted! 🤣
@-P-Z- Рік тому
😂
@jeskli11 Рік тому
@@gplama That's a good starting point 🤣.
@tony5269 Рік тому
@@gplama watching this video I may get the roam v2 because of the new feature. Last year I lost my roam v1
@NathanLipkeEvilN8 Рік тому
Can’t wait
@Millicente Рік тому
I’m looking forward to the head to head comparison. Maybe then I’ll finally know the answer to my question from a week or so back in terms of what unit I can buy as my first head unit without feeling like I need to upgrade shortly after
@gplama Рік тому
All three work very similarly, as expected. The Hammerhead is now lagging a little with no base map overlay until you're on a climb and no 'look ahead'.
@Millicente Рік тому
@@gplama that look ahead really is amazing
@Antonio-cj8hi Рік тому
good evening I wanted to know how to set the display of the map or the route as it appears in the presentation of the video. many times it is difficult to follow a route not having the map displayed. Thank you
@steweymacaroon7815 Рік тому
I wish the Garmin climb on 840 could be adjusted to be more sensitive to climbs. Where I live there are climbs that feel significant but they do not count on climb pro anywhere so no climb screen is shown..
@donschloth5785 Рік тому
I had this feature pop up on my Wahoo during my last race a week and a half ago.
@gplama Рік тому
If you preloaded a route, it will show Summit information at the moment. It won't do it for free riding unless you have the beta firmware.
@donschloth5785 Рік тому
@@gplama yes I did have the route preloaded.
@macktheinterloper Рік тому
This looks awesome, so much better than the Garmin. While I won't be dumping my 1040 just yet (still hoping on bug fixes, though, tbh, my patience is wearing very thin), I am becoming more and more convinced this will end up being the last Garmin unit I will have bought.
@BarryJHoffman Рік тому
Amen, prob ditching my 1040 solar (someone is going to get a great deal) for the Roam 2. There is just 1 thing the Roam needs that Garmin has that is keeping me from switching- and Wahoo won't add it
@user-vn9js9yn1j Рік тому
So does it now work like garmin? Climb screen pops up without a need to “load the course” before you start riding?
@Anteunio Рік тому
Thanks for yet another great video! Is it necessary that your phone is connected to the device for this feature to work? Thanks
@gplama Рік тому
Cheers! No need for a phone/data link for this to work. It's all happening on the device itself.
@charlesstorey8425 Рік тому
Oh no chevrons! Don't Wahoo know what happens when you use those? 😂 As always a really informative review keeping us up to date on new functionality. Keep up the great work.
@muddy250 Рік тому
Would love this to be rolled out for the Roam V1
@pjsatc Місяць тому
Have they rolled it out for the Roam V1yet?
@muddy250 Місяць тому
@@pjsatc Nope, not gonna happen. The Roam V1 doesn't have enough memory capacity. V2 is the only way.
@marcus_velo_9970 Рік тому
great shane and 'about farkin time wahoo', I have both HH and Wahoo, climbs on the fly is a standout feature of HH. Question, have you tested it with no internet? Does it work independently climb detection wise without phone? re; summit; talk about taking the anxiety out of any climb, this is very valuable ride tech imho.
@gplama Рік тому
It works without any data connection. It's all done on the device. 👌🏼
@epizzoli6104 Рік тому
Very unfortunate it's not coming to the roam v1. It doesn't have much space but by just adding one map with elevation data it could be done
@shanelee007 Рік тому
Nice review as always. Does this look similar to the strava live segment page when doing a climb for example?
@gplama Рік тому
To be honest, I switch off Strava Live Segments pretty quickly on any device I have. Unless I'm aiming for the KOM on.a windy day. 🤣
@shanelee007 Рік тому
@@gplama ha! I have it for a few climbs like mt buffalo. It helps to know if I'm behind or ahead and distance left etc. I have bolt v1 so this will have to do! Thanks
@BarryJHoffman Рік тому
Shane, I rode my first ride today with Roam 2, Had a route. Starred some Strava Live Segments, BUT had a strange situation that only you could prob answer. I think some of the SLS were also Summit climbs. When it got to those climbs, the Summit screen came up and not the Strava live segment screen. This was bad because I was trying to compete against my PR but the summit screen does not show this of course. So does Summit take precedence over SLS? How would I have this not happen? would I have to shut off Summit in App if want Strava live segments on a ride? Thanks for a reply when can. Barry
@krymic1991 3 місяці тому
Climblist done page is automatically change? I will change manualy is my Bolt V2 every climb....
@scottydonald Рік тому
I am so glad i own a Roam 1.... roll on the 840 vs Karoo 3, if i have the patience to not just buy a 840.
@99cya 9 місяців тому
does the bolt show traffic that overtakes you? how the heck does he know that? are there any special sensors required for that?
@gplama 9 місяців тому
Here’s what you’re after: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/jYR9fZuYiYF_l5c.html
@99cya 9 місяців тому
@@gplama woah awesome! thanks. instantly ordered!!
@j0s342 11 місяців тому
Great review! Thank you. Do you know if there is any way to stop the wahoo "cutting" the climb in little climbs? I recently climbed a very well known mountain in my area which is around 13km at 8,5% and this feature would just show me little climbs sometimes less than 1km long. Basically it would stop every time there was a path joining the main road. Very annoying.
@Miko55z 3 місяці тому
Did you manage to find any fix for this? Or perhaps did updates made this go away by now?
@user-dq6lm3cf1p Рік тому
Wahoo doesn't discriminate by hardware.🤣 Can't wait for the update!
@BarryJHoffman Рік тому
AMAZING vid Shane, just may be the thing that has me leave my Garmin nightmare. Before today's video I was wondering and maybe you answered. On the garmin they have an elevation page that I have that I would keep my eye on to see what is coming up ahead in the route for the up and downhill demands - like the general ups and down of the route- Does Wahoo have something like this and is this what you were explaining at about 1 min 50 sec in? Is this new? like an elevation profile (look ahead). thanks
@gplama Рік тому
Garmin Edge units will show upcoming elevation when following a predefined route.
@BarryJHoffman Рік тому
@@gplama does the roam have a similar screen?
@gplama Рік тому
@@BarryJHoffman The ROAM v1 will show upcoming elevation on a predefined route too.
@BarryJHoffman Рік тому
@@gplama and Roam 2 I presume
@gplama Рік тому
@@BarryJHoffman Yep.
@matthewblue7839 Рік тому
Great, thx, curious, will this read profiles in zwift?
@gplama Рік тому
No.
@Hjulbenet1 10 місяців тому
Does anyone know if it is possible to get a map section pop up when using navigation on Wahoo Elemnt Roam 2 ? My Elemnt shows a small pop up with an arrow pointing left/right but I would like the map to pop up to show where to go. Pleased to hear if anyone knows !
@jamesjordan3382 Рік тому
@gplama Does the summit screen pop up if you are running a workout? This is making me think about updating my V1 especially as the battery is starting to die.
@gplama Рік тому
The configuration shown at 8:15 gives an option to enable/disable this during workouts. 👌🏼
@jamesjordan3382 Рік тому
@@gplama thanks, missed it
@RAG0407 Рік тому
Maybe i like different. But i have jumped off garmin to try the stages dash l200. Climb feature enable us to see more hills, visualisation and graphs r better. All my fitness watch and ride data now goes to apple health.
@gplama Рік тому
I've got both the L200 and M200 and have major issues with GPS accuracy here in AU. Their maps are also extremely limited/outdated here too. I've shelved them for now and will revisit another time.
@RAG0407 Рік тому
@@gplama I will keep riding and testing. I am in aust. It did my gps ride accurately. I also like how the dashboards are smart to the sensors active. Will see if my gps has issues.
@sabamacx Рік тому
"%age to go" on a summit field would be ace. So I know if 500m to go means I know if I just started (e.g. 90% to go) or almost finished (10% to go). ymmv.
@tuckersbowtie Рік тому
@Shane Miller - GPLama what is the impact of the lookahead on battery life?
@gplama Рік тому
Not something I've tested. I've been screen recording most of my rides with the same unit so that doesn't give a good indication of battery drain.
@MrCfredrickson Рік тому
I am running the Wahoo Elemnt Roam 2. Its satellite fix time frankly sucks. This is on a clear day with open skys it takes up to 10 minutes. My Garmin Fenix 7X Sapphire in the same location and the time it takes is so much faster (like 1-3 minutes). This is the most recent firmware installed. Wahoo has a ticket open for the last 2-3 months with this issue. Wish I had not switched to the Roam 2 from the Roam 1. No going back since I sold the Roam 1 after I was gifted the Roam 2 in December. Wondering if you have noticed this and if you could do a video about this.
@gplama Рік тому
That’s not right (Roam 2 GPS lock taking so long), so something is definitely up. I’d try a hardware reset and lever it outside for a while after first boot with a clear view of the sky.
@wvbp2429 Рік тому
Do you know if Garmin will add the “look ahead” elevation feature for free rides?
@gplama Рік тому
I hope they will.
@GNX157 Рік тому
Shane, I’m not upgrading to get this feature. What are people doing if they want to replace the battery in their first version Bolt?
@gplama Рік тому
Not sure on that one. I'm sure people have posted something online about hacking open their Bolt v1 and tinkering with the battery.
@imlouvall Рік тому
Does each Chevron equate to a certain amount of meters in order to get a quick glimpse as to remaining climb?
@gplama Рік тому
Good question. I'm not sure.
@stephencharles6932 Рік тому
@@gplama ...but there is this data field.
@velokicks312 Рік тому
"with chevrons" 😬👀
@pe3117 Рік тому
Does wahoo have different profiles for different bikes??? I have a Garmin Edge 1030 Plus but I want to change to Wahoo
@gplama Рік тому
No. Not yet anyway.
@pe3117 Рік тому
@@gplama thanks! 👍 I will continue with my Garmin 😬
@stephencharles6932 Рік тому
My update has worked! However, I do not get the same screens as you show here i) The map screen: not full page as shown how to get that please? My eyes not great without glasses now! ii) Do I have to have the time expiring clock to summit as the main large icon on climbs? Not the most important to me at all, I want distance to go and bpm first iii) You seem to have changing climb info (length and gradient) - is that possible? iv) And how to get the colours, such as the red on bpm when high level? Is it all down to 'pages' and ordering? But in there I had the 'summit clock' at the top and cannot access it to change
@boxrick1 Рік тому
Can you disable auto page switching and the big notification telling me I have a hill?
@gplama Рік тому
Configuration options shown at about 8:15 in the video.
@wildfox1994 Рік тому
Will there be an option to install this feature on ELEMNT V1 with like only one map pack on it?
@gplama Рік тому
No.
@miodice3 10 місяців тому
First few rides on a roam v2 following routes and the device marks the climbs completed after 2-7 minutes and exits the mode
@gplama 10 місяців тому
One for Wahoo support.
@miodice3 10 місяців тому
@@gplama I did file a ticket with them. I’m on the fence if they acknowledge they’re working on it I’ll keep it otherwise it’ll get returned, climb segments was the top item on my list coming from a basic garmin tracking watch.
@krazyeone Рік тому
Question, if you load an course , but you deviate that route and you chose differnt climb (as you previous tested) does it generate the climb or not ?
@gplama Рік тому
Good question. A test case I’ll need to check out.
@krazyeone Рік тому
@@gplama do you have any info how to install beta on Wahoo ? :)
@gplama Рік тому
@@krazyeone No. Wahoo have a closed beta pool/group.
@NildoScoop Рік тому
I hope Garmin update the 830 with this climbing feature.
@gplama Рік тому
Not going to happen on the x30 series.
@jamesmckenzie3532 Рік тому
Would love it as well, but it's only going on the x40 series only per Garmin.
@NildoScoop Рік тому
@@gplama Pity.
@howtotricks5399 Рік тому
How do you get these bright colours on the gps? Riding with a Garmin 1030+ and somehow never have it this clear, mor greyish… Anyone knows how to get it this clear?
@ericstobin4305 Рік тому
Buy a Wahoo RoamV2!
@richcole3931 Рік тому
Predictions on when Wahoo might release a Bolt 3 with dual band GPS?
@gplama Рік тому
I think it’s a race between Wahoo and Hammerhead to bring out their next model.
@stevefraser7501 Рік тому
As someone who purchased the more expensive Roam only 6 months before the Roam 2 came out but after the Bolt 2 was released, this news is really disappointing / underwhelming (to say the least)?
@timwatkins3828 Рік тому
Have you seen the Wahoo Roam crashing, when trying to reroute you? Seems like a new bug.
@318ishonk Рік тому
yeah, naah, won't buy a roam 2 bc of this one feature (that I never missed before anyway) Thanks for sharing though Shane!
@lexington476 Рік тому
How do you capture the head unit images while riding? I picture on my head some camera or phone suspended over the head units.
@gplama Рік тому
Wahoo: There's a hidden screen recording feature. Saves to MP4. Hammerhead: Sideloaded AZ Screen recorder. Also saves to MP4. Garmin: Secret menu. Beta firmware feature only. Saves a BMP screenshot every 500ms. It's a pain in the arse... but it's better than nothing (or having to capture it with a camera).
@lexington476 Рік тому
@@gplama you have the inside hookup. Was wondering how you did all that.
@Omnis2 Рік тому
Does it work in Florida?
@gplama Рік тому
I'm likely as far away from Florida than anywhere on Earth. 🤷🏻♂️
@freebird61885 Рік тому
@@gplama this is a very good thing, btw
@LouieBaLLz Рік тому
That's a good thing, Shane. A friend son was recently arrested for having an illegal math book. 🤷♂🤦♂
@obidavekenobe Рік тому
Probably works just as well as it does in the Neitherlands. 😂
@roddyeskew3909 4 місяці тому
Do we know how it's guessing where you're going to go? Route popularity that they've collected, I presume?
@gplama 4 місяці тому
It takes a guess based on the road. I’m not sure Wahoo have any popularity data like we see in Garmin (or Strava).
@vanw1554 Рік тому
Hi I am having a really hard time choosing between the Edge540 and RoamV2, this will be my first bike computer. I used to run so I have a Garmin watch, I use the watch to track my ride and my phone for navigation. But as my ride gets longer the phone battery cannot support the full length. So I want to get a bike computer. I am not good at tech so I just want a “set up once and use it forever” device, seems like Wahoo is simpler and easier to use. But my primary function with a bike computer is for navigation, seems like Garmin’s map is better. That's the dilemma…
@obidavekenobe Рік тому
Wahoo or garmin? Consider the ecosystems. Garmin connect is a pretty open platform while wahoo can be like subscription hell when analyzing ride data.
@pmcmpc Рік тому
Are Wahoo still doing any software development in house? Supposedly the majority of their software and firmware division was sacked recently.
@gplama Рік тому
Not something I’m across. The people I interact with are Wahoo employees.
@sabamacx Рік тому
Huh, great to see, given Wahoo financials suggest they're going under soon. (Hey, Wahoo, my "adventure GPS" [ROAM] still doesn't have a time to sunset/sunrise function --- come on)
@tomo2597 Рік тому
I think wahoo should fix bugs first rather than adding new features.(Navigation, smartphone notification...)
@xmarcika Рік тому
Am I the only one who doesn't want to see any suffering ahead? 🤣
@chris_noswe Рік тому
You have to be a payed influencer to be wowed by this.
@gplama Рік тому
Or someone who rides bikes and likes tech. And it’d be “paid” if you want to level up when having a crack.
@m1n1t3 Рік тому
Finally. Wahoo has been far behind lately…
@Vinch22 Рік тому
Interesting! Well, I just bought Edge840 solar to join the Garmin ecosystem with my Varia715 and HRM pro plus. Nevertheless, I have my 2yr old Element Bolt 2 so still be getting this updates anyway! Still a win win for me I guessThanks for the vid Shane👍
@PaulFoye Рік тому
Hopefully they have worked out the lag on climbs.. I used my wahoo the other day and it was terrible. Had practically finished the climb before it showed me on the graph going up, albeit it was short, but I wasn’t going fast, very hard headwind made me pace at snail mode 🫣🙄
@gplama Рік тому
Was this with a planned route?
@PaulFoye Рік тому
@@gplama No it’s my commute route with mini hills, highest being 200m. My Garmin 830 tracks slightly better. I’m guessing that’s where I’m going wrong, expecting better performance on the fly :/
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