@ChristianRebel there’s a link under the video, it takes you to the notes on the Bible thinker website

@ChristianRebel click on the video link on the front page of the website! Underneath it has a link for the notes

Thank you so much

How do we get the study notes?

Ah! I found them. 😊

And, he's telling you right there, that he's a false prophet. And, you people cannot even see it.

@@perfectstandardkjv6849 when did he prophesy?

So true. i appreciate Mike's sincere humility.:) "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26

Self prophesy

@@perfectstandardkjv6849 no, he’s just telling you that you should use discernment and not follow anyone blindly including him.

Why would you all be shedding tears? 🤔

I have often been in circles that told me I shouldn’t be working with my large family. My in-laws included. I’m a public school teacher and my children are enrolled in the schools around me. I feel no compromise as a Christian mother to serve my community and help my husband provide financially in this capacity. I feel like it has allowed me to be more active in my children’s lives, but it hurts when brothers and sisters you love tell you they think you’re wrong for working. I’ve never noticed that God used plural pronouns when man was told to subdue the earth. I did shed a few tears when Pastor Mike pointed this out. It was nice to hear someone point out in scripture that women can work to help their families.

@@Unknown2Yoo my guess would be confirmation of assumed truths, as well as perhaps seeing a beauty to the roles God has given. Just a guess.

Right here with you

@@amandacolson3791 Most (yes, most) conservative churches like to emphasize the verse as follows: “women should be workers AT HOME”, when, before the Industrial Revolution, basically everybody “worked at home”; almost nobody left their house and went off to work in a factory or office building - like they frequently do today. It’s a total misread of the intent. The correct way to read and understand that verse is: “women are to be WORKERS at home”. As in: don’t be slothful. It doesn’t prohibit or preclude a woman from engaging in commerce outside their abode. This is a huge misread of a woman’s role and the false limitation placed on her function within the family. I cringe every time this verse is misapplied.

I'm right there with ya. Been Christian all my life but have always felt called to do more. It's such a controversial topic for us girls, but I want to serve as best as I can. I found Mike fairly recently as my boyfriend, who I am considering moving states with, has been raised mormon and I'm only willing to go with him if our views align. Mike has been such a blessing for me and I'm so grateful for this channel. All the best to you! 💛

​@@vacuumpower2595your not equally yolk God is not trinity of persons. Mormon are not in faith of Lord Jesus Christ. Get off UKposts read your king James bible God will teach you.

@nathanmccumber8965 the KJV will teach you the same trinity that we believe in. The Bible gives sufficient evidence for this. Joseph Smith changed doctrine which directly contradicts the Bible. I always use your website for doing my research in what LDS teaches, I don't just use the internet to learn. I urge you to look into it with an open mind and an open heart. Do not blindly believe in the teachings of man, rather in the teachings of the Gospel. The Bible tells us that even if an angel were to descend and speak to you revelation that went against the Bible we are to disregard the message as blasphemous. I say all of this will care for you and your faith. 💛

@@vacuumpower2595 you and 3 gods going hell. There no God the son bibles doesn't teach that john 20:17kjv Jesus the son of God had God the Almighty father. LDS going hell too all denomination and non denominational.

@@vacuumpower2595man teach trinity or oneness. God is spirit john 4:24kjv. God is not man. number 23:19kjv Samuel 15:29kjv Hosea 11:9kjv 3 in one of devil confusion. Read James 2:19kjv. Count out your gods that's aren't same person. God authors of confusion 3 in one doesn't add up.

Keep learning more about the depth of the male-female-relationship design. It is VERY profound as it gives us a deeper understanding of who God is and why Christ had to die. The more you meditate on this, the easier it will be to submit and respect God's design for each of your roles. 💜

This comment is so sweet. Kudos to you for this attitude. It’s not easy 😅.

God bless you, it's helped me in similar ways and I share similar struggles with rebellion. Having a godly husband makes a WORLD of a difference!!! Suddenly I understand the respect of voluntary submission. My husband is the only man I've ever known who is worthy of that kind of trust and submission. It's hard but I'm getting there, and our relationship is so much healthier when I submit and he faithfully uses his authority for God and to help me grow.❤️💕💖 He never abuses that power!

Submission is not the bad word we have made it out to be in recent times. Jesus, for example, was totally submitted to the Father and only said and did what the Father showed him. The apostles were submitted to Jesus and the whole church must be submitted also. Submission actually is the basis for humility, which is the basis for wisdom. As Scripture says, "When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom" (Prov. 11:2). This is where the most humble and submitted can have much more wisdom than the proud leader! I know this runs contrary to "freedom" the "spirit of independence" and all of that, but it is God's way and the best way. Walk in it and you will be blessed.

Me too girl!!! I joke that my first 2 years of marriage were the worst haha mainly because of how much undoing of my bad habits and thinking took. To have trust, not asume my own husband is out to get me or control me. He is the most patient human I’ve ever met. Thank God. I used to be an outright man hater 🤣☠️ thought all men were nasty manipulators. Wrong! Letting that go helped me love deeper and get real with my husband - now 9 years married! Woot! God is so good!

I believe GOD is expresses a broken heart when HE says, “where are you?” Adam had broken the close union. If anyone has ever had a broken heart, I imagine this to be 100 times worse.

@@SaenzSword.ofTHE.SPIRIT I never thought of it that way wow

Yea, notice that they were removed from Eden only after blaming each other/the serpent. Wonder what would have happened had they just confessed and asked for forgiveness.

@@HarrisonTheGrey Could Adam and Eve had known Confession and forgiveness since they were just coming out of a state of perfection ?

@@TheBradleyd1146 good question

Listen to Allison and Nick Quients response to Mike winger

​@@katiehonnery9059no need, complimentarians are correct.

This is a brilliant insight

Even in application with Cain and in Song of Solomon, it makes sense. LONGING, wanting to possession of. Sin YEARNING to have its expression and way. It all brings a much clearer picture of what is trying to be expressed in the language.

Exactly. I am not sure if Marriage is really worth it.

@@TPranara It’s worth it when you’re with the right partner for the right reasons and you two hold the same belief that the marriage itself is like a third person in the equation (meaning even when I don’t like you I still have a strong desire to work through the problems because I value the marriage and want what’s best for it). Most of my couples in the worst shape just saw marriage as something you’re just supposed to do because you dated long enough that it was just the next step in acting like an adult, or a way to stop being asked when you’re going to get married, or some other throwaway idea… so when there’s tough times it easier to want to just throw away the marriage to make life easier… especially when the partner or struggle is hitting a nerve that means you’re going to have to grow in maturity or face childhood traumas or learn how to be less selfish and you’d rather grow apart than do the hard work of growing psychologically. The other all to common common problem in marriages on the rocks is one partner saw red flags while dating but didn’t take them seriously and eventually those red flags became active crises. It’s usually the female or more romantic partner who thought the feeling of being in love was enough to ignore or survive any red flags, or who were settling because they didn’t think they were worth waiting to find a better partner, or they already had kids and because they thought this person was good with the kids it was worth the gamble so they rushed in. And the last big point to remember is when the marriage starts to have problems get help. Research shows is that on average a couple has been struggling with big relationship problems for seven years before they seek marriage counseling. That’s a lot of years of damage, resentment, bad habits, distrust, and depression to try to fix. It’s like waiting until the patient is dead and the funeral home is on the phone to make arrangements before calling 911 for medical help. Marriage counselors are not magicians. We should not be seen as the last stop where you go to get permission to bury the relationship you’ve tortured and neglected for years so you can absolve yourself of “having tried everything but it just didn’t work out”. Know your own baggage, so your own therapy. Know why you’re picking that partner. Be able to see their strengths and weaknesses. Know their skeletons in the closet and accept them as part of reality not things you think you can fix or that will just vanish in marriage. Don’t ignore red flags. Don’t be afraid of premarital counseling. Don’t fall in love with the person you think they may become in the future but with who they are now even if they never improve. Be on the same page for what is the roll of marriage, what’s the point/value/purpose, and be clear on where your faith falls into that because it’s like deciding to have a child together… God intended it to become something you two create and nurture and keep alive… it’s not just a permission slip to live together and use new prefixes like a new job title. When it’s right you’ll grow in ways you never expected and you’ll heal old wounds in ways that being more peace and strength into your character. When you’re a good team you both feel more capable to take on the world and handle the stress of life. And you’ll even see that the times you do fight are opportunities to grow and to love each other in new ways and depths. A good analogy is marriage is a rock tumbler and we are the raw rocks, and the stress in life throws us around in the rock tumbler. And if we’re careful about how we bump into each other (how hard, how often, how sharp our deepest edges cut into each other) we can begin to take on a whole new beautiful and smooth appearance like a polished gemstone. But how we fight, and how we show grace and love to each other, and how we build good shared values and habits, and how we choose to stay and grow together instead of choosing anger, resentment, and replacement, are what makes the difference between polishing or breaking one or both of us in the tumbling.

Yes, finally. Thank you for your insight. My experience is similar. Women look to their husbands for their value and fulfillment and this desire rules over them, creating expectations that no man can meet, rather than focusing on God to meet their needs. Men look to their accomplishments toiling through their own efforts for value and fulfillment as men due to unrealistic expectations which lead to shame, rather than trusting in God, his maker and sustainer for all things. Her desire for him rules over her. His neglect of her because of his work creates a cycle that has been at work ever since.

Don't let it influence your views unless you check it against the Bible. Which might take a few years. Keep reading it over and over. God bless you!

@@strykerdawn1 I get what you are saying and agree for the most part, but they said let it influence their views not change their mind. Everything you listen to about the Bible should influence your views in some way. But how much you let it influence you is key. And if someone already knows the Bible really well you can immediately discern if something lines up with the rest of scripture. It’s not as hard to spot false doctrines once you have been around the block a few times.

@@jdj2022 So true!

Absolutely! You may be a stay at home mom for a bit. But I think there is still lots of time in your life for other things. I think if God gives us gifts we need to use them.

I posted this comment up above but it seems appropriate to say it here again. I don't think the purpose of proverbs 31 is to describe all of the chores a woman is supposed to complete. I think it is an ideal of the time for the work the woman should be doing to be helpful to the good of the household and family. Those ideals may vary depending on the family situation and I think it is completely reasonable for it to mean the woman working hard at a job and doing the best for the family while she's home. I think the important takeaway is if the husband is working then the proverbs 31 wife is not sitting home idly enjoying her time and freedom all day but rather working and being productive for the good of her husband and her family. That often means things like dishes and laundry which feels like a patriarchal thing but if it's the biggest thing the family needs and you are the one who is at home and able to perform it, whether you are the man or woman in the family, then it needs to be done and there is a great honor in maintaining it. So in conclusion yes you should not feel a pressure to fulfill all of the tasks of the Proverbs 31 Woman in a certain period Of time. Rather just strive to be honorable and hardworking and do things self sacrificially for your family which by the way is also the man's responsibility both at home and at work.

Throughout Proverbs we encounter wisdom personified as a woman (e.g. 1:20 ,3:13, etc). It is possible that "Proverbs 31 woman" serves as the culminating vision of Lady Wisdom. In this way, Proverbs 31 isn't trying to lay a lofty burden on women but rather is presenting a beautiful vision of what life can look like if we (women and men) strive after wisdom and apply it to our lives. In other words, Proverbs 31 shows us what wisdom (i.e. Lady Wisdom) looks like in it's fullness. If this is the case, then Proverbs 31 shouldn't serve as an unattainable weight laid on the backs of women but rather as an inspirational vision, for all people, concerning the benefit and beautiful of a wisdom-filled life--a life of living with the fear of God within a broken world. So, this vision should lead us to "marry" this woman--Wisdom.

@@hisandhersips5301 Incredible reach. In other proverbs where wisdom is personified as a woman it’s very obvious. This is clearly describing what good woman/wife would be.

@@kamarwashington Not a reach but rather a contextual reading. It is the culminating vision of what wisdom looks like in action--and it is applicable to all.. Nevertheless, this personified wisdom is not something we perfectly reflect. Ultimately these verses should move us to look forward to Jesus--the ultimate embodiment of Wisdom of which Paul declares "in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge (Colossians 2:3).

I agree. I think often both men and women approach it the wrong way-who can get more power with respect to the other. The biblical way is to take responsibility for what we’re responsible for, both men and women.

fearful responsibility ...that is how Ihave thought of it but couldn't exactly think of how to say it !

Oh beautiful...fearful responsibility

The 'authority' that a man has in leading is that it is 'sacrificial' not 'authorative'. This is the significant point that a Godly man needs to realise and he will have to answer to God with the responsibility he is given. God bless

@@sweetyjones1756 Amen. With much given, much is required. (Luke 12:48)

That happens when intellectual after intellectual is cited. These intellectuals often out think their knowledge. In many realms "stupid smart people" best fits as a description. Many he is citing from cross the line of meditating on and deep diving text to just trying to look smart, ending in nonsensical gobbeldy goo.

@@joeewert6800 Mike is using Scholar’s opposing arguments and refuting them with Scripture. He is not using Tribble’s “sexless earth creature” to look smart 😆

@@Marlaina doesnt change my point.

If you couldn't get anything more than that in the 2 hour sermon, you aren't listening you were disagreeing.

True. I also agree with what you said.

Too many women got rebellion in their mind or money or the jezebel spirit of promiscuity manipulation rebellion and control.. especially with these feminists. And look at society today!

All denomination and non denominational are HELL BOUND. God is not trinity u worship roman catholic rebrand Triune gods.

A follow-up thought to my comment: My wife fully recognizes and accepts my role as the head of our family, and that being the role and authority given to me by God to make decisions for my family. If it makes me happy for her to travel, or work outside of the home, or if I say, “I don’t need, or expect you to cook for me”, then there is nothing biblically wrong with her doing those things. Don’t try to diminish the authority granted to a husband by God to make these decisions. I find the most conflict occurs in this area when a man feels threatened by the success of his spouse's endeavors, or somehow feels they (the man) will "lose face."

I believe couples need to do what works best for them. I learned of some families where the wife is able to have a good paying job with necessary benefits and likes working. While the husband stays home and takes care of the children and everything needed to be done at home.

You're a great husband

@@800052222 Maybe she should just respond "shouldn't you be talking to my husband about this?"

This is a dynamic and lovely marriage

AGREED! So hard to wait! 😁

Great point!

Yes, good point. Those are the rules of primogeniture and patriarchy. Note how so many of the typologies of Christ in the blood line are so messy. Starting with Cain and Abel. The firstborn's offering is rejected, leading him to kill his brother. Thus the bloodline passes to a third, Seth. Next we have Abraham's son by the slave woman Hagar. Ishmael is rejected in favor of Isaac, through whom the promise will come. Then Isaac's sons are reversed at his blessing--Jacob supplants Esau, who goes down in history ignominiously, having sold his birthright for a bowl of soup. Some of these typologies are very significant in terms of the loss of Israel's blessing in favor of the Gentiles with regard to the Gospel. Here things are reversed again--Israel becomes not Israel, but Israel is like Esau. Ishmael and Hagar are likened to Israel under the law. None of this is evident in the Old Testament text itself, but in hindsight the apostles discover these patterns.

Hey pal! I’m watching it tonight, excited for round 2!

@@elijahsimerson7839 Awesome. I really liked Mikes's thoroughness in this. While it's a lot to go through, I found it was really helpful.

I have to agree. I don’t know if I’m going to wind up having a position on this issue once the series is over, but to be honest, I have a lot more respect for “soft complementarianism” than I used to.

Capital G for God, please. All proper nouns should start with a capital letter. It seems dishonouring not to, especially when referring to God 😢 Btw, no woman is expected to submit to a man she isn't married to. That's not what the scriptures teach 😄

Corrected 🙂. I understand submission to men outside of marriage is not necessarily where The Lord has called us, as this would cause trouble in our own marriage I’m sure overtime, but it is not as clear cut where role placements are. Yet based on scripture, most leaders in the Bible are male. So there does become some concern of who is proper to be head of churches. Regardless, we are in submission to our elders (as long as not going against The Lord & scripture). There is certain areas that call for submission outside of marriage that can be a bit of a murky water for me. I have studying to do and appreciate these teachings that take deep dives into these topics.

@@judylloyd7901except you submit to your bosses will at work if he’s male

It would be very helpful to understand or know your husband's view and thoughts on both of your relationships to each other and Christ. Do both of you love Christ more than each other, loving God with all heart, mind, soul and strength? Both sides versions are always revealing and important for each other and any counselor to know. I have seen spouses.. (husband's and wives) that are difficult to satisfy and or do not accept loving gestures or gifts or actions, based on their mistrust or selfishness brought on by other life experiences that are not the spouses fault or involve.ent in. i.e... not all gifts or actions are false attempts to buy love, or make up for mistakes. Our own faults or shortcomings in our walk can result in lack of trust or even love. If we seek God first, and love Him with all heart, mind, soul and strength.. we just might lose desires for divorce and other worldly temptations.

Sex is physical intimacy, that's why it's called that.

As a man, I agree with you 100%. That is exactly the case. Many men do not connect love and relationship with sex. Some of us could have sex with any number of random women and not give two craps about them, or not even find them attractive. We can also have a very close relationship with a women and never have sex with her. This is why polygamy has been a thing for so long in human history, including in the Bible. It’s women’s not understanding of this with the progression of feminism that has pushed monogamy to the forefront of culture and making porn/masterbation taboo. Some men are simply not in touch with their emotional side and they show love by providing for you, and that is what we are contractually bound to. You may want to start seeing a counselor on your own and as a couple to try to find out how he can provide what you want or how you can find those things from another source. One thing to understand though, is that we as humans have a desire to “be in love”; that feeling of a new relationship, but that feeling doesn’t last forever, and you likely aren’t going to find it without starting a new relationship. But to love is not the same as to be in love. To love is to take care of another’s needs and to care about their well-being whether you want to or not, whether they reciprocate or not. If it wasn’t for my Christian belief in fulfilling my marriage contract, I would have divorced my wife a long time ago. The worse in “for better or for worse,” isn’t financial trouble, it’s when you have no desire to be in the relationship and have no new relationship type feelings toward your spouse, but you choose to continue to love them and fulfill your role in the relationship regardless. That’s what helped me push forward, recognizing that I have a duty, a responsibility and a promise to keep regardless of my feelings or desires. That is dying to self, that is bearing all things, enduring all things, not insisting on its own way or being resentful. We cannot make others love us, but we can choose to love others.

@@northstar2621 no, that is incorrect. Sex can too often have absolutely nothing to do with true intimacy. Are you saying that men seeking pornography, serial one-night stands, friends with benefits, engaging in pedophilia or hebephilia, or hiring prostitutes are being "intimate" with their receptacles? Worse yet, how about those into snuff, like serial sex offender murderers? Sorry, but they are simply using people, not engaging in anything aside from temporarily slaking lusts.

@@marahdolores8930 ~physical~ intimacy. The fact that a man an a woman are so close to each other physically and create/renew a spiritual bond is the intimacy part.

My input… Paul’s comment to Timothy about not permitting women to “have authority over men” is not predicated on men “allowing” women to do/not do ANYTHING. Men do not have such authority. Rather, if a woman takes pastoral leadership in the church, she is “usurping” God’s authority. God is the one who ordained such roles-and He alone has authority. For men to “give a woman permission” to function as pastors … is to ALSO usurp (God’s) authority. Blessings…

@@sonlover62 yeah, whenever I hear a woman say something like "It's okay that I'm doing X ministry (i.e. a ministry which seems (at least, to me) to be infringing upon the injunction for women not to teach or exercise authority over men in the church) because my husband and/or the church elders affirm me doing so, and I'm just following their authority," that's my thought as well. How it is a valid or legitimate use of a man's authority to permit a woman under his authority to do something in church that Paul forbids all women from doing in church? That would be like delegating to her the authority to sin, which I don't think any man can do to/for any woman, regardless of the kind of relationship or hierarchy between them. When people have authority, that authority has specific "content," as it were. Limited authority (the only kind a human being can ever have, except Jesus who is also God) has specific intent and purpose. Authority is not merely a blanket statement to command/impute/endow all actions ever. Only God has "all authority" and likewise Jesus has this authority (c.f. Matthew 28:18), but men don't have "all authority" over everything a woman can or can't do. Husbands and fathers (and, really, any other role a man can have) have limited authority over their wives and children. But they can't impute nor delegate the authority to do something that is unnatural to their subordinates, nor can they give their subordinates the authority to do something that such men don't already possess the authority to do. Ergo, a husband can not give his wife the authority to do something that God does not give her the authority to do, merely by virtue of the husband's role of authority over the wife. Doing so would be stretching the hierarchy of the relationship to include powers it doesn't possess. Simply having a role of authority over a person does not automatically confer all possible powers over what you (as the one in the role of authority) can enable or prohibit your subordinate to do.

In other words you are changing churches because "how the teaching make some women feel". Feelings dont dictate biblical truth, nor should it dictate where one gets fed and worship. Nor is it good practice to seek a church that suits what you believe and want to hear rather than one that teaches hard truths and makes you squirm in the seat every so often.

Come on guys; he literally read Genesis 3:16 and completely ignored that the curse is that women want to control men but men will rule over women! The CURSE God explains is this broken power dynamic! And Mike’s only reason to NOT accept the plain reading that the curse was a curse of men ruling over women chafing under that rule is unstated “implications” of primogeniture that Paul then decides to use in two highly charged and highly contextual passages? Weak sauce!!!

​@@PeterPyo Actually, Mike gave a few more reasons than that. He also said that Adam names Eve but that Eve isn't listed as naming anything. Likewise, he pointed out that the consequences of Adam's curse are general, seeming to be more widely applied to the world, whereas the curse on Eve only seems to be applicable to women in particular.

This is a great question! I'd be interested to hear an answer, too!

We tend to read into passages things that simply aren't there... on both sides of this topic. I can't see that Genesis 1 and 2 say ANYTHING about Adam having authority over Eve. Nor about Eve submitting to his authority. But we all know the Fall changed everything. Before the Fall, I imagine Adam and Eve had a completely "one" relationship that mirrored the plural Godhead in every way. There was never any difference in will. Each loved to please the other. Much like couples falling in love.

I'm biased...I'm a male. If I were the first male and God took from me...to give me a helper/mate. I would look at my responsibility for my "rib". Ribs are helpful for sure...helps protect the lungs from outside influences etc. Painful when they break... I do see the hierarchy of the order of creation... I also see that when God called out (after the fall) it was only Adam that was called... I also wonder if Adam was the one that told Eve to not even touch the fruit... it could not have come from God (NOT the Author of confusion)... So...while this conversation was going on with Eve and the serpent....Scripture implies that Adam was close by....and he didn't correct his "fence law" about not just prohibited eating...but this even touching the fruit seemed to have caused doubt in this fruit to be bad when touched (at least by the serpent).... When the punishment was laid out...there was a point where God was pointing out the fact that Eve was the one in charge of Adam ( as God was not the One being adhered to in regards to the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. ) From that point on (or maybe the curse of painful child birth?) The woman tends to not trust that man has her best interest at heart. Bible states she was deceived...and Adam sinned. He had a different relationship with Eve than he did with God. Very first form of idolatry..

@@maryellen6153 I’ve felt the same way. I don’t really see much evidence of authority in Genesis. However Paul in the New Testament seems quite clear. I’m planning on digging into that more.

@@mrupholsteryman The order of creation is different in Genesis 2 and compared to chapter 1... so we can agree that perhaps not everything was said... It doesn't say whether Eve was present when God gave the command. It doesn't say whether Adam added "dont' even touch it" or if it was Eve. So, since the Bible doesn't say it... then we probably ought not make a big deal out of it. I find it highly significant that God specified to both Adam and Eve that they together held dominion over all of Creation... and yet NEVER specified to Adam that he held hierarchy over Eve. You rely on inferences... which can lead to damnable heresies in all kinds of directions. I mean, if you want the Bible to infer something, there's a verse SOMEWHERE that you can make it sound like God inferred it! No. I go by what the Word SAYS. Not by what you can read into it.

Same. Started right away, almost through. A day later. 🤣

Absolutely, so blessed by God to. have found you Pastor Mike. Before watching your UKposts channel I stumbled in ignorance on so many topics in Scripture. PTL!!❤️

@mugglescakesniffer3943::most often at root of differences on scripture is really about what we LIKE and what we don't.

Trinity doctrine of devils. God had a son Jesus even said worship God I'm spirit and truth john 4:23-24kjv. Jesus had a God john 20:17 kjv. John 17:3. Jesus even called Holy Ghost Father..

Agreed!!

I commented above, but àlso want to add my testimony to others who have been helped by all your teaching. I went to college at the start of the feminist movement and in the 60's and 70's went way off track into doctrines of demons which suited my own rebellious nature ruining my marriage, hurting many people. The egalitarian viewpoints seems at its conclusion to eventually lead away from submission to God. I know submission to authority was the issue for me in other areas of my life also. Thank you Pastor Mike for your loving biblical exposition of these arguments