WD40 Silicone for Waterproofing Electronics--Further Testing

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This is a follow up to the first episode ( • Waterproofing Electron... ) about using WD40 "Specialist" Silicone Lubricant to waterproof electronics. The goal here is to see if the coating will protect after drying for a time. Results are intriguing. More testing to come.

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@samcoyle3345
@samcoyle3345 6 років тому
Helpful as heck my man!
@Trex600ProEFBL
@Trex600ProEFBL 4 місяці тому
The Flashing light earlier you got was indicating your receiver suffered a "Brown out" (momentary loss of connection) sometimes when using DSM/DSM2 receivers with helicopters with carbon frames you need to use one with twin recievers to prevent getting brown outs.
@avgeek_2a445
@avgeek_2a445 6 років тому
Great tip! Thanks
@peopleplace4023
@peopleplace4023 2 роки тому
Thanks!!! That’s helpful
@scootroter4859
@scootroter4859 6 років тому
Is this stuff still working with a single application? How long does one application last?
@hullinstruments
@hullinstruments 3 роки тому
This is a copy and paste including several snippets from articles, blog posts, and instruction Tutorials I’ve written over the years. Sorry for the rambling and I hope this helps someone I’m just an electronics geek with a somewhat respectable lab… Who repairs industrial control and automation equipment… Also restore and recalibrate test gear. And big into the laser Hobby. Anyway… Dealing with industrial equipment… I’ve come to learn a lot of things about waterproofing electronic stuff. Since I see hundreds and hundreds of industrial modules every year for repair… I’ve got a decent understanding of how it works. First of all… it’s a good idea to soak the board down really good with 100% alcohol or denatured alcohol. Then scrub the heck out of it with one of those small 1 inch disposable paintbrushes. Then give it another good soaking of alcohol with the board vertically so that it can drip off and take all the contaminants with it. Or better yet use an air compressor to blow off the contaminants and the alcohol. I buy 100% Iso alcohol by the gallon for about $15. And I keep it in a squeeze bottle on my workbench. (One of those squeeze bottles with a 90° angled tip that can be operated with one hand.) I use over a half a gallon a month at least! It really improves my work and I couldn’t live without it. There are a lot of waxy and oily residues that can come on new circuit boards… So degreasing really does help the adhesion and only takes a few squirts of alcohol and a few seconds. And the alcohol evaporates quickly taking any moisture with it. Second.... and probably most important. Try preheating your circuit boards before coating. They can handle a lot of heat But only need to be good and warm. Somewhere around 100 to 150°F would be plenty. This will help the epoxy flow in and around all of the components, And it will also adhere WAY better to the board. Also the longer cure time epoxy the better because it maintains much more flexibility. Some thing like 30 minutes is good, 60 minutes is better. Don’t get me wrong… I go through gallons at five minute epoxy every year and I love the stuff. But the faster the cure time, then the more brittle it will be. And with any vibration, it may can easily begin to pull away from the board or individual pins if it’s extremely rigid. So flexibility is great. Also when it comes to silicone… Be sure you get NEUTRAL cured silicone instead of acid cured. acid curing silicone will smell like vinegar and release acetic acid when curing. Therefore easily damaging copper and tarnishing other metals. Over time it will devour component legs and traces. Also, check out a product called “never wet“ made by rustoleum. You can spray that shit anywhere. On pcb’s, inside of power tools, on bearings, windings of a motor, Inside a brushless fan or motor, on your clothes, on your phone, hell I’ve even opened up GoPro’s and soaked the insides with this stuff when I was going to be in a precarious environment...... literally anywhere. It’s extremely thin (similar to a regular clearcoat…) But it’s hydrophobic and really is like magic.… Check out some of the videos demonstrating it. It really is amazing stuff if applied correctly. Another wonderful off-the-shelf product which is available to regular folks… Is flexseal. Yes I know it’s gotten A laughing with all of the infomercials on TV… but it really is an incredible product and cheap/readily available. Before flexseal, something similar was only available in large quantities by industrial chemical companies. But for $13 you can purchase a can of spray flexseal… or even the thicker caulk like tube. And its dang near bulletproof. If you’re worried about the epoxy pouring off the sides of the board… Then use tape or to make a dam around the board. In other words, stick the tape to the edge of the board with the sticky side facing in towards the circuitboard. Wrap the tape all the way around the board and leave the excess sticking up to make a damn so that you can fill it with epoxy. it leaves a nice perfect perimeter all around the board. Or if you’re wanting to cover the front and back of the board… the even better… Suspended the circuit board off of the table a little. Like the thickness of a coin or something similar. Then you can build a dam all around the board leaving a few millimeters extra on the sides of the board so the epoxy can flow over the top and down in under the board. That way you don’t have a bunch of open edges of epoxy that water can work its way under. But you’ve encapsulated the entire module in one slab of epoxy. If you use the dam building method… simply use some slices of cardboard like a cereal box… And a hot glue gun to build a little perimeter or wall around the board… Using another piece of cardboard or your work bench/table as a base to glue the dam to. The exact size you want. I would probably use a small plastic box a few millimeters bigger than my circuitboard. That way you can pour a little epoxy in the bottom, set your circuit board down into the box on top of the epoxy and spacer, and continue to pour epoxy on top of the board until it pours over the edges and connects with the epoxy around the sides and bottom. A small Tupperware container or any random little plastic box the same size should work fine. Once it’s cured you can pop it out and you’ve got a completely coated/padded module. But instead of a huge brick of epoxy it’s a thin coating with no seams or edges. That covers the entire front back and sides of the board in one smooth gel like coat. Just be sure to watch some acrylic/resin or mold making videos. And be sure to wax your Tupperware container/mold so that it can be removed and doesn’t stick in there. If it’s going to be some thing that’s really abused, then swap out all of your connector screws and crimp terminals with stainless instead of regular steel. And clearcoat any heat sinks or metal that isn’t coded in epoxy. It Makes a huge difference because the smallest amount of corrosion can easily spread under the coatings... wick will begin to delaminate it from the circuitboard. Any type of corrosion or patina whatsoever… Weather The white powdery oxide that forms on aluminum. Or rusting steel.... copper that’s formed a patina… it all Poses a huge hazard to the water resistance of a board. That’s the most common failure point I’ve seen which breaks down the waterproof barrier. For example… The white powder that forms and oxidizes on aluminum. That stuff somehow creeps up under and conformal coating with ease. Like it’s not even there. And most importantly…Keep in mind that NOTHING is waterproof. It may be water resistant but it’s better to leave it a bit exposed so you can dry it out later. The only exception is if you’re willing to completely pot it in a solid brick of epoxy. but then it’s completely unserviceable and it adds a lot of weight/cost. it’s always best to leave certain things open so they can be dried out after a mishap. Whether you leave it out in the sun on a dry hot day, or bake it at low to mid temperatures in an oven. the best methods for drying I found… Is 100% alcohol or denatured alcohol. Soak the entire board, transformer windings, motor windings, soak everything. It will bond to the water and draw it out as it evaporates quickly. Even then… I still put it in the sun While in front of a box fan.....or bake it in the oven. Just to be safe. This is a large cut and paste from several different articles, blog post, and instructional‘s that I’ve written over the years. Sorry for rambling… Hope this helps someone.
@hullinstruments
@hullinstruments 3 роки тому
@Dev Guy glad to help. I’ve left this comment on over a dozen videos regarding how to weatherproof electronics… Hopefully it will help some people. If you have any questions feel free to drop me a line.
@darshitdarji3217
@darshitdarji3217 2 роки тому
Extremely useful information! Thanks alott!!
@eXe09
@eXe09 2 місяці тому
For real waterproofing you can also use gels, they never harden like epoxy so you can still access the electronic even though it's a messy business.
@mrjorn1
@mrjorn1 4 роки тому
If you spray the usb connector on your flightcontroller can you still connect safely or do you have to clean it from the silicone before use?
@NavneetSharmaa
@NavneetSharmaa 4 роки тому
I have done after your help
@dronexfun8469
@dronexfun8469 6 років тому
I am looking for a quick and easy way to waterproof my toy grade quads so I can fly in heavy rain/bad weather. I don't want to take them apart, I just want to spray the board from the battery bay. I would think the boards are pretty protected but water can find its way in when flying in heavy rain. It looks like the wd40 might not work for what I'm looking for, it would be nice to just spray it once and have it work. Thanks for the rad vid man.
@salmanshafiq786
@salmanshafiq786 3 роки тому
What if circuit need repair ? You know there are many things on a circuit then what to do remove silicon spray?
@dityokurniawan2261
@dityokurniawan2261 3 роки тому
Hii.. it can applied for my motherboard?
@tedjohansen6535
@tedjohansen6535 2 роки тому
Tempting... however I've read (not easy to find btw) that under certain conditions silicone spray can combine with metal(s) to form high resistance films, destroying low energy electronics (e.g. signal lines, transistors, etc. Power lines like battery to speed controller might have a better chance of overcoming that resistance). I believe some electronics potting compounds are made of silicone, so this is certainly confusing! Is the viscosity a critical factor? Are those who succeed simply lucky? Anyone have some additional insight? Thanks for posting the video @RCwithAdam !
@RCwithAdam1
@RCwithAdam1 2 роки тому
Looking back at this experiment, I would now recommend CorrosionX instead. ALSO, I realize this test didn't really prove that the drone would not have worked even without the WD40 since it was freshwater and not salt water (which would make short circuits extremely more likely). This type of "waterproofing" is really more for corrosion protection and possible short term short circuit protection. I think what you are referring to is the side affect of overheating due to the waterproofing material thermally insulating the electronics, which reduces cooling and can cause burnout. This is definitely a real thing, but It really depends on the electronics and amp draw, and the thickness of waterproof coating. I agree, it is confusing and it seems everyone has a different opinion on it (which varies with each context). For full waterproofing, I'm starting to use FPV Worry Free, which is basically a liquid silicone. But further testing is needed to see if it will cause overheating with drone electronics.
@tedjohansen6535
@tedjohansen6535 2 роки тому
@@RCwithAdam1 thanks for the well thought out reply!
@FRIENDSofCAP
@FRIENDSofCAP 4 роки тому
I believe your problem is in the wire connections. You should use like some sort of hot glue or some sort of pliable and Apoxsee coding. Something that’s an insulator that will not short out but also ensure that your connectors a rigid and water proof
@rickjames5998
@rickjames5998 Рік тому
apoxsee = epoxy? lol
@FRIENDSofCAP
@FRIENDSofCAP Рік тому
Anything you could possibly try, and I have not done this myself, but they make a plasty dip spray. It’s a rubberized coating that comes out of an aerosol spray can. You can get and clear which I would recommend or you can put it any other colors it’s available like red or yellow or black but you won’t be able to read your board Screen printing after that. Just a thought… Happy new year.
@kiodiekin
@kiodiekin 5 років тому
Silicon itself will water proof it was one of the first methods used but it will cause a thick coating on it and cause it to over heat. Even corrosion x basic will work fine but the heavy duty corrosion x which is thicker will cause it to over heat cause it has an additional thick film. It’s better used for metals that will rust faster and boats cause salt water is harder on surfaces
@F-rig
@F-rig 2 роки тому
I thought silicone had excellent heat dissipation properties.
@kiodiekin
@kiodiekin 2 роки тому
@@F-rig maybe from the outside but the inside it traps heat in
@F-rig
@F-rig 2 роки тому
@@kiodiekin no good
@kiodiekin
@kiodiekin 2 роки тому
@@F-rig its ok on metals and such but i wouldnt use it on electronics. if u do just expect higher temps
@noeblackberry5209
@noeblackberry5209 4 роки тому
Great test, this product will work on motors for my brushless drone?
@EricsRC
@EricsRC Рік тому
I have an ESS for my rc truck. Do you think I could spray it down with this stuff and be able to take it in water?
@RCwithAdam1
@RCwithAdam1 Рік тому
Possibly it would work for a limited amount of time, but probably not fully submerged
@XxChrisxXBedofRazors
@XxChrisxXBedofRazors 3 роки тому
So I guess it may work with smartphones too? 🤔
@fridayhc
@fridayhc 3 роки тому
hey...just saying.....clear spray also working
@shiftmechanic3218
@shiftmechanic3218 3 роки тому
my question is, why do they not develope a product similar, that works on boats and other outdoor vehicles that actually need waterproofing?
@George-Francis
@George-Francis 2 роки тому
They do...RainX is the same stuff
@brianhop6705
@brianhop6705 2 роки тому
It stops as the signal is stopped by the water. Water is not meant to conduct electricity unless it's salt water.
@brianbahay2001
@brianbahay2001 2 роки тому
How long does this last?
@RCwithAdam1
@RCwithAdam1 2 роки тому
I'm not sure, but it definitely will wear off and not be as durable as conformal coating.
@michaelray2104
@michaelray2104 5 років тому
Does it work on shoes?
@RCwithAdam1
@RCwithAdam1 5 років тому
I haven't tried. I imagine it might soak through too much. I suppose it would depend on the shoe material.
@syedmuhdakram8450
@syedmuhdakram8450 4 роки тому
This method it is safe for the electronic because i cant buy mg chemical products they cant ship to my country
@richardkenworthy9312
@richardkenworthy9312 5 років тому
It says water resistant on the can not waterproof.
@kobie4238
@kobie4238 6 років тому
I think the signal couldnt pass through the water thats why it went off
@kobie4238
@kobie4238 6 років тому
Wait nevermind its still on 😂
@jonathangarzon2798
@jonathangarzon2798 3 роки тому
See you're trying to copy the old bumblefuckery channel, I'm watching you wazowsky
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