Western media A month ago: Avdiivka is a highly strategic city Now: Avdiivka doesn't have any significance. Which is it?

Due to intrinsic military complexities, the Ukrainians are advancing backwards whereas the Russians are retreating forward.

Why does the media all tell us how many Russian have die but never tell us how many Ukrainians have die

NATO 2022: For as long as it takes!!! NATO 2023: For as long as we can… NATO 2024: Ukraine is not strategic.

8 years of preparing fortifications, the most heavily defended town in Europe. Yet you say it really isn’t that important,

"The loss of Stalingrad is of no strategic importance". The German high command in 1943.

Mariupol was a highly important staging ground for Ukrainian defense until it was lost and then they claimed it was a near irrelevant victory for Russia, then Bakhmut was a big deal that would be disastrous to fall to Russia until it did and then was painted as unimportant, and now the most heavily militarized and defended city in Europe is apparently strategically irrelevant. All with a Russian military supposedly running out of everything at all points in time and suffering enormous loses that somehow continuing to secure victories. all with numbers and analysis provided by the Ukrainian government. what and absolute circus of reporting

Ukraine is always busy reporting Russian deaths and not their own deaths.

Russians ran out of missiles in 2022. They've turned the tide with their washing machine chips and assault shovels. Amazing.

The idea that 50k Russians died taking the city is the most comically nonsensical thing I've ever heard

The Ukrainian military said that Russia does not use meat wave tactics. They bombard positions with gliding bombs and attack them with artillery and drones. And only after this there is an assault on the destroyed positions.

the biggest fortified area on the Globe build for 8 years, manned with 20k-30k soldiers...impossible to be taken...now when it did fall....doesn't have any significance....AMAZING

“Russia suffered heavy loss” “Where did ya get the info” “From Ukraine” “……..”

"Ukraine believes Russia lost 50,000 people trying to take Avdiivka" Are they high? Russian losses are indeed large, but it doesn't take a military education to find that number absurd.

So Avvidivka is no longer important 😂😂😂😂

It means Ukrainians are continuing their advance towards Kiev.

50,000 Russians lost? What a joke.

Unstoppable shovels are to blame. And washing machines...

Judging from the comments, people are tired of Western media bullsh*t.

I just watched a video from Forces News ("Vital lessons from two years of all-out war in Ukraine for British Army") that said that the average age of a frontline Ukrainian soldier is 43. That's not what a winning army fields. That's what Germany fielded in 1945.

last weeks strategic fortress is this weeks insignificant loss

What a dumb war

Nobody want to ask why Kiev is "critically short of soldier" when Zelensky had claimed to have 1mil soldier 1year ago. A feat as not many countries can raised 1mil men. Yet no one want to ask where the 1mil men and 100bil USD worth of arms has gone too.

"We were always at war with Oceania". The loss of the most fortified city in Ukraine that has been used to shell Donetsk for 10 years is now insignificant apparently.

The town has been fortifying since 2014 - it was probably the most fortified city and yet western media/analysts say it was not of strategic importance...insane... probably if Kyiev falls it will be declared as not "of strategic importance"..but when village with 3 houses, Rabotnoe (will be now lost again) was retaken, it was a decisive turning point in the war...this irresponsible approach cost many thousands of lives - Ukraine needs a new revolution or it will not exist.

Its crazy how the life of a young man is one of the most worthless thing in the world. These leaders are just throwing their young men to go die on these frontlines instead of actually negotiating and coming to a compromise. Then after the war is over those young men are told they are toxic and will inevitabely makeup the bulk of the homeless and suicides.

Zelensky should donate some money from his swiss bank accounts 😂

47,000 Russian losses for avdiicka, with artillery, infantry, tank, drone, electric warfare etc superiority. Yea, believable...

A simple recipe for how to justify yourself when retreating: "Well, but the enemy lost 7 times more soldiers than we did, so it's more like a victory than a defeat." These figures of 50 thousand dead are calculated for complete idiots. By the way, they don't talk about this in the Western media, but the order to retreat was actually given after part of the Avdiivka garrison began to flee the city, realizing the threat of complete encirclement. Ukrainian troops abandoned hundreds of their wounded and tried to escape under artillery fire, during which more than 800 Ukrainian soldiers died across the fields. Some of the troops in Avdiivka did not know about the encirclement and the order to retreat at all and were captured, by the way, the cleansing of the city is still ongoing, hidden Ukrainian soldiers are being smoked out of the basements of houses. In the Ukrainian media, this flight was presented as an "organized retreat to pre-prepared positions," which is really just a ridiculous lie.

Bakhmut holds, Bakhmut is not strategic. Avdiivka holds, Avdiivka is not strategic... Kiev holds, Kiev is not strategic... Lviv holds, Lviv is not strategic.

Oh wait time 0:39 this strange mark on the howitzer. What i see? Oh wait it is not wehrmacht sign "Balkenkreuz" ? No, i think so it is youtube mark of "end fullscreen mode". All right. Evereithing is OK now :-)

if we let them have Ukraine, when will it stop? Tough times ahead for Europe.

How did Ukranians managed to count Russian losses while they were running away? I mean did they have time to do that or they were occupied with survival

They always seem to say the place is insignificant after they lose thousands of lives fighting over it. It was an eight-year built up fortress that couldn't be bypassed. Any money sent into the game right now would go to manufactures and be slated for delivery years down the line. Al the while the US still calls for Ukarine to fight to the last man. The whole plan of the West was to try and collapse the Russin economy and it looks to have failed.

Innocent people are just dying. This has to end.

If only Ukraine could copy the design of those amazing Russian assault shovels.

So you are telling me that Russia lost 50k in Adiivka and also 50k in bhakmut yet they still gave large enough forces to keep advancing.... if people believe this they really REALLY need to do independent research

How could this be? All the experts on reddit keep telling me that Ukraine is dominating 😅

3:20 Win of Avdiivka by Russia is not a symbolic victory. It is a major victory. The chances that Ukraine will ever take over Donbass have gotten slimmer with the loss of Avdiivka, and Russia has become more emboldened because it now has the momentum

Good to see Zelensky took a shower and changed his outfit

How much men did you lose? Ukraine be like " 🤫 "

If somebody fights with money and weapons provided by somebody else,then he is a mercenary of this somebody...

Poroshenko's operation ATO was a big mistake. And later, it would've been cheaper for Kiev to abide by the Minsk agreements. Which France and Germany admitted was just to by time to arm Kiev.

Avdiivka was a main stronghold of Ukraine. They have been building defenses and made it into a fortress back in 2016 and haven’t stop building around it. Ukraine has lost their making stronghold in the Donetsk area and must fall back a great distance in order to keep getting hammered from Russian artillery on their weak positions. The Donetsk only needs 4 more miles to be made whole; is also to mention that Ukraine lost many elite troops during the defense and during the retreat they lost many on the open ground; also somehow officers whom were apparently killed in 2022 have reappeared from the Russian side, which leads to bogus claims from Ukraine. All in all this gave a huge morale boost for the Donetsk volunteers, crippled any offensive capabilities of Ukraine in the area, lost, lost many of its elite troops and an astronomical number of them have surrendered. The war keeps going but Ukraine is already the dying man of Europe.

Since Russia took Bakmut they defeated the ukr summer counter offensive (it didn't fail as western pundits always claim) and they also took Marinka in Jan so this is Russia's 3rd victory since Bakmut. Of course wsj as a propaganda outlet for the west has to downplay all Russian battlefield gains.

Love how the reporter blames Trump - who isn't even in power - for Republicans in Congress not passing another billion-dollars giveaway of American treasure. FWSJ

Replace "Ukraine" with "Southern Border" and all of Biden's comments would apply perfectly.

03:15 lier , it’s a major train hub in different directions with 71 freight train platforms

The most fortified Ukrainian city became not so important after this. Lol😂

He didn't pull them back he gave the order to save face after the 'elite' Azov 3rd ran away just after they arrived.

Wasnt russia supposed to run out missles 2 years ago around the same time Putin was supposed to die of parkinsons/cancer?

0:40 That self-propelled howitzer is sporting a Balkenkreuz, but it's not an ex-German vehicle. It's a SpGH DANA, made in Czechoslovakia/Czech Republic and used by Ukraine.

You guys really should put subtitles when biden is speaking 😅

Send Joe Biden and Blinken to Ukraine pls....

NO! actually they lost 5million soldiers! have you seen russia on the map bro? PROVE ME WRONG!

What about securing our boarders, bring schools tuition down and help our veterans instead of wasting money in Ukraine.

Avdeevka and not Avdiivka now.

*Funny THE SAME PEOPLE who say that Russia taking Avdiivka (which has been used since 2014 to shell Donetsk for nearly a DECADE) is of no significance. were also claiming back in June that the "counter-offensive" capturing Robtyne ( which is SMALLER ) was a "strategic victory"*

It can mean only one thing of course: Ukraine is winning hard!

How WSJ not checking the real data and provide information just what Ukrainian side say. Wow , amazing journalism.

Show us the rebuilt Mariupol and other cities. Oh yes, this is propagand...

at 0:40 there is an artillery with a very interesting sign on the tank tower.

In order to understand any of this, one must understand the history of the territory, the people, and why this is happening now.

Who was counting? And how?

First, you say capturing Avdiivka will allow Russia to develop a major logistical hub on high ground. And then you say it has no strategic value and that capturing it is merely a symbolic victory. We are getting seriously mixed messages here, WSJ.

"Its easier to fool someone than to convince someone that they've been fooled."

You know things are bad when its been weeks since Blinken was last in a photo op.

And Russia did all this thanks to chips from washing machines. Can you imagine what it will do if it learns how to make these chips on its own? )))))

This happens when you have an actor as a president

This is honestly a needless war.

Out numbered is now the norm cause Russia are now increasing their military numbers out gunned Russia suffered the same in the days of Intial war now never the case even if Ukraine have all the weapons they will run out of man power

Someone said: In a war young men who don't know kill each other on behalf of older men who know each other.

what's absurd is that we already sent them any ammo at all

There we go again with the usual ''it`s only a symbolic victory'', ''it has no strategic importance whatsoever'' sophistry. I bet will be hearing the same drivel when Russia reaches Chernihiv, Kharkiv and Kyiv.

Blinken…😂😂and NATO ..defenceless..😂😂.. hahahaha..

Well it means that Zelenskyy can no longer shell ethnic Russian civilians living in Donetsk.

This is terrible in so many ways. Why are we pouring all this money in thus war. Ukraine shuld cut her loses and make a deal.

The recompense of corruption is no other except this happening

Ukrainian people may thank the US+UK for that war.

I wonder if even these reporters believe these numbers at this point 😂"they killed a billion Russians while collapsing on a confused route within a week!" 😂

What is the chapter of the comic book you are reading now.

It's another forward position that Ukraine was using against rear positions. Taking it makes things easier logistically which allows for an attacking posture.

Rich and powerful people in London and Washington are sorry about this while sipping wine and eating salmon

How can Russia loses so many soldiers and still winning the war?

How can a million troops beat a country with 100 million troops?

"Ukraine believes Russia lost 50,000 people trying to take Avdiivka" ok so that must be true right?

Гаубица с немецким крестом на башне, на украинской земле, опять стреляет в русских. Когда-то это уже было. Закончится так же.

Ironic that none of the "analysts" want to say that taking back Avdeevka was one step to removing Ukrainian presence from the Donbass region, it would prevent them from trying to shell Donbass. However, even taking Avdeevka wouldn't be enough to prevent Ukraine from shelling Donbass.

Stop this senseless lost war

And now that we run out of ammunition, just walk away, how absurd (self aware af)

We all knew where this was going... 😒🙄

The city can’t hold the people lost taking it. Mind boggling, the lack of value for a human life.

Not bad for an army armed with nothing more than shovels.

It's normal - when you are losing you need to make up excuses to cover it up.....

The city was a logistics hub it was the center of operations in the region to say it was not important is a pure lie

Oh my God how much these politicians lie and lie and lie the entire world is in a mess because of these people

News when Ukraine defends a city: That's right, the city is important and the soldiers are fighting bravely to defend it! 😤☝ News when the city falls into Russian hands: Yes, hehe... It wasn't that strategically important anyway. 😓👉👈

Why do evey town or village Ukraine occupies is of strategic importance and when they lose it, it becomes an insignificant place suddenly?

Как вы любите перевернуть всё с ног на голову чтобы ваши неудачи не казались такими уж страшными....Очень много боеприпасов бросила украинская армия спасаясь бегством из Авдеевки и приказ об отступлении им поступил после того как они начали бежать ))) И на Украине нет российских солдат срочной службы,только контрактники ...Сколько же здесь вранья...

Russia didn't stop in Avdeevka. Ukranians are running further West on several important fronts😎