Yeah I myself have a 7950x3d build. Been stable with 6000 ram since day one. Really don’t know what Jay’s issue is but there’s no way in hell you give up the best gaming cpu and go for power hungry intel.

rip

He should have tested that system with other brand ram modules.

@@MustafaGT the issue is that Jay simply loves Intel and that's it. No other excuse or whatever - not sure why not just say it straightforward, same as he builds everything on GeForce cards. It's fine to be brand-fan and stick to it as long as it's good, but just damn admit it...

@@utawamaruI mean its clear that nvidia has better gpus so its okay.

Windows has fixed many of the AMD issues they had on Win11 early on. So I'm not sure how they're having issues.

"experiences will vary" - comes to mind.

You will soon enough 😂😂😂

Agreed, excuses are fine. Or just say hey I prefer Intel. I don't know what these problems reported are...

I’ve built 2 PCs for my friend over these past 4 years. One with a 3700x and 5700x. Never had an issue Intel still better

I've had endless issues since I built my R9 a few weeks ago, very similar to everything Jay is laying out here. I just turned switched off the integrated system, I'll report back here if it ends up helping!

@@daldladladid it?

did it ​@@daldladla

@@huntermckinney5239No. Can't turn on EXPO with stability, Windows 11 current update cannot install, white static led on Asus motherboard occasionally comes on indicating an issue with GPU connection (i've reset it, it's secure.) All of this since I updated the bios - shoulda kept it factory like I always have lol. Considering just returning the board to Microcenter and seeing how another one pans out. As long as I keep HDR off the video is stable. Anyways thanks for checking back in. The joys of PC ownership.

@@daldladlaany updates at this moment

95% of people didn't have issues with ASUS boards. So, it's more like, you need to be extremely unlucky to have that issue.

That makes me feel much better (I'm thinking of getting a 7800X3D).

I’ve got the same cpu and it’s awesome.

same! paired mine with a 4080 from MSI. there's nothing I can throw at it to really make it show it's 'age'.

My plan is to get a 7600x or 7700x and then use the AM5 platform for architectural upgrades when they change how CCD optimisation works for the next Zen products. Switching to LGA and pushing 3D Vcache to higher clocks and cores is just flying too close to the sun right now.

@@heyitsterry The only thing I can think of, other than benchmarks, in gaming maybe cities skylines 2, or the next battlefield.

Same plan! I will get next AMD with 5000 series Nvidia.

The only times I ever had problems like that with RAM was when there were bent CPU pins but obviously the pins aren't bent in every one of these cases so I wonder what the CPU is doing to cause these errors, I wonder if it's the unrefined hardware or lack of software that will behave properly with the hardware it could be because of the goofy ass architecture AMD came up with too it sounds cool but doesn't seem like it's very reliable, might be fixed in future revisions

iv never had ram not work that was not on a qvl. but i dont buy low end ram. and i tune manualy and im good at it. ddr5 has voltage problems if your not in the small window for the voltage it wants it won't run. ddr4 has a bigger window for voltage and easy to get right on an xmp. first gen ram aka this first run of ddr5 will get better as they find a better pcb layout.

So, user incompetence 99% of the time. Never had a problem when actually finding out what parts everyone recommends in their own manuals. Its so fkn hard to read, isnt it.

My new AMD system is kicking ass, really stable and fast, even though my CPU is non x3d its the 7900, I put that in for a power efficient build.

"Fussy" and "finicky" are weird descriptors when users are failing to read their motherboard's QVL RAM compatibility. We know DDR5 is weird with 2< RAM sticks, even on Intel.

This reminds me of when i had issues with my 10980xe pc at home i have 4x32gb sticks of 3600MTs ram which is overclocked to 3800MTs and was running perfectly for a few weeks. Then i started getting random blue screen and initially thought my cpu oc was unstable but that didn't fix it and lowering the memory speed to 3733MTs seemed to fix it then the blue screen started again so i lowered it further and it seemed to help and i ended up loeering my ram speed all the way to 3400MTs and then i finally figured out it was actually corsair icue crashing my pc all along as I'd somply selected the software and hit to delete and i assumed it was deleted but all of the driver Dll files remained without the othrr necessary files causing my pc to randomly crash but it it didn't mention icue or anything in the windows error log and the error code it gave was most commonly because of an unstable overclock anyways once i figured that out and disabled icue in services.msn and deleted the remaining files my pc stopped blue screening and i was able to put my memory speed back to 3800MTs without issue. I knoe you probably don't care about my little story it just shows that sometimes issues cam be what you least expect like in jays case it probably is memory but there's a good chance that it is something else entirely if dropping memory speed doesn't seem to really help.

How did you figure that it was iCue? Did you see it running on task manager or something? ​@oliverboi

@joebourgoin6554 i noticed that the same DLL was running right before it crashed by looking at the windows logs shortly before the fatal crash errors

Did you read the crash dump file to see what could be happening?

I just built a 14900k z790 setup last night and went with 32gb ddr5 (so I can OC to 8000M/T). Debating switching to 64gb @ 7000M/T. Took 3 days to do the custom loop. Epic insane system!

@@halflife82 ive heard that the 14900k draws a lot of power and can get hot has this happen to yours?

@@halflife82 Custom cooling? Sounds like you have a kickass PC there. I got my RAM up to 7200 now, but I bought this Corsair Dominator Titanium. This RAM was not cheap at all. As a matter of fact, I'm sure I over spent. 2 32GB sticks of this Dominator Titanium was $400, but it has no ceiling. I have been able to overclock it at will. It is great RAM.

@@jameysummers1577 does your games crash with that high memory speed? Also thinking of upgrading to 7200 mhz

@@chrisnieto3620 so, I don’t know. I was worried about crashing so I dropped it back down to 7000. So I haven’t found that out at 7200. it is stable at 7000 and I’m happy with that. I figured the extra 200 wouldn’t make much of a difference so I dropped it back to 7000.

7800X3D is the best CPU for gaming.

@@musclecargarage2875 That's been my experience as well. Got a 7800x3d and a 4090 and it crushes everything I throw at it. I also have had an RAM issues like some people. I have in the past, though, so I think some of it is luck-of-the-draw.

same system, same experience; rock solid performance

@@Av3nger89 No it doesn't. It gets 18K R23 scores. That's quad core numbers......

@@kramnull8962 It's slower than higher core count CPUs but what quad core gets 18k in R23? It's ok to not like AMD CPUs but it isn't ok to be disingenuous.

I have had nothing but problems with my 7950X3D. I ended up RMA'ing 2 of them (both of the main machines in the house)and was issued a refund by AMD for both. I replaced them with 7800X3D. No regrets. The stability has been night and day difference between the 2. I finally have some confidence in the brand again.

AMD is lucky you still are their customer tbf@@th3count

Wtf is a PITA

@@Nevsack63True

@@Nevsack63 pain in the ass

annnnd... I am getting constant freezes at Idling with my 5800x. Never had any issues with Intel before. I had to tweak a bunch of numbers to let it stop freezing at idle and man the debugging process was painful af because it happens randomly and there's no logging whatsoever because the system suddenly dies. Thinking about going back to Intel honestly.

thats why i switched back to intel

No no if you switch, you are just an Intel fanboy!!

SAME. Everyone online is just saying AMD is God and it's my fault and now I'm glad I know it isn't just me. I'm just gonna stay with my old PC where bootup or crashes are something I never even had to think about and wait to see if the next gen fixes things

@@rh666 I had this problem on my Gigabyte X570S Aorus Master w9ith a 5900x...... I would assume the gigabyte software and windows update would keep all relevant drivers for my mobo up to date.... and I was wrong. Way wrong. Went to Gigabytes website and manually downloaded all the drivers for my system, installed them manually, and all the rarndom "freez while idle" problems went away

I have always said that. Sleep always causes issue no matter the brand of parts inside the case. It has been that way since windows 7.

You must be super rich to be able to do that, jeez! 😂

Thanks for sharing. Good to hear people that are not in it for the views had a good experience.

@@Otto45 Depending on the country, you can afford this kind of setup easily with median income. It is not like a car or a house.

Owning a couple computer stores gives me the advantage lol

i had issues with my 7700x system, but after updating BIOS a bunch of times is working fine. That being said it isnt as hassle free as my old intel 7700k.

If it's silicon lottery losses, it's not gonna matter what they go in. If it's BIOS related, well, good luck.

@@OutLanderUSNSilicone lottery wouldn’t affect this because he’s running at the manufacturer’s rated specs. Silicone lottery would be affecting overclocked systems or timings tweaked beyond what the manufacturer rated them for.

@@Poketroid23 My take on the OP here was a suggestion to try putting the CPU and RAM in different motherboards and try overclocking, as the crux of Jay's issues are that activating the XMP/EXPO/DOCP profiles don't work properly. Which could either be a loss at the silicon lottery or a bad BIOS/mobo.

I would have changed the memories before the cpu, I had memory issues with both cpu brands it's not like it's exclusive to amd

@@DarkP1 The IMC's on AMD's cpu's can barely over clock compared to intel's. The max mhz support it far below what Intel has. For AMD to be the original pioneered of the "integrated memory controller" they've neglected for so long now to the point where it is a liability for their own cpu's now.

It has a integrated gpu huh?

Which cooler?

@@undiyos Currently using an NH-D15

@@SekiberiusWelkesh the temps seem a bit close to tjmax at load. Have you used curve optimizer? Mine runs at - 30 curve optimizer stable. Switched to 360mm aio and temps do not cross 80c on full load, that is with the newer bios. The older bios allowed me to drop till - 39 CO and temps did not budge past 72c.

@@undiyos I ended up turning maximum power to 99% and it pretty much never goes above 70c anymore, performance is about the same as well. I discovered what was causing it, it was the V-Cache, which is apparently normal behavior.

Are the 1% low's any good? I'm thinking of upgrading from the 5600 to 5800x3d

End of a platform is not a bad thing. It means that it's mature technology. Which is why you have such stability in the first place.

Seems like x3d is stable with 5000 series but not yet with the 7000 series

@@levinoppers8151 i upgraded from 5600x to 5800x3d and to be honest it's not that much of an upgrade, so just dont waste your money, i mean it still depends on what games you play but still ...

Lets be honest, its going to be good for a fair few more years to come unless you are going bleeding edge with GPU, and throw in the growing support for handheld PC's with much weaker CPU and GPU performance, and I am betting you will be fine for in the very least, until the next console gen and even then it won't be that bad.

What mobo and ram are you running in this rig?!

@@jarls5890 MSI MAG B650 Carbon WiFi and Kingston Fury Beast KF560C36BBEAK2-32 32GB (16GB 2G x 64-Bit x 2 pcs.) DDR5-6000 CL36 288-Pin DIMM Kit

ASRock used to be the bottom of all jokes as the quality was pathetic and only the people on very thight budget would touch them. That was until they got a new CEO who turned them around and they have been pumping good stuff. Asus used to be the king be the last couple of years , they are heding str8 down to where ASRock used to be. Funny enaugh AMD had the same story , before Lisa S took over as CEO they ware heading down to bancrupcy and a rummer was that intel was going to goble them (the years when Intel had no competition).

You shouldnt have any of Jays issues as your 7800X3D only uses one CCD and no parking is required.

I've got exacly the same cpu and mobo and no problems at all too. I have even pushed my ram at 6200.

7800X3D with an ASRock X670E pg lightning, corsair 6000mhz 32CL RAM (which probably has some issues itself) I needed to put my RAM at 5400-5600 for the longest time because every few weeks it wouldn't boot anymore or my games would get "corrupt install file" errors when updating, now after a bios update for RAM I can run it on 5800mhz and have done so for the last couple of months without issue, still can't hit 6000mhz and when I do a memtest it has a few errors sadly but I blame that on faulty RAM, and at this point it isn't an issue yet so I'll just keep trucking.(can't afford to be without a pc for 2-3 weeks for them to RMA it)

I got a Gigabyte B650 AX and 7800x3d for a while now, not using EXPO but I had no issues at all for now. It is rocking. btw what are your temps? Mine stays on 30-40 idle and goes up to 60-70 on some loads, is yours ok?

any update or changes on the new AMD build? I've read comments on stability issues or microstuttering problems with the 7800x3d.

Ive had the 7950x3d since july and its bee great for me

Im planning on getting a 7800x3d with 6000 cl 30 RAM too.

Same thing man, had mine a couple months now and running perfectly. Fingers crossed it stays this way. I found prioritising the 3d cache in the bios works wonders and makes sure games are using that CCD

Unless there's some breaking news about a security flaw or double digit percentage performance loss due to a bug, I don't update the BIOS if everything's stable. Why try to fix a wheel when it's not broken, after all?

@@blarghmcblarghson1903 Agreed

I second this, been on AM5 from 2nd week of launch so practically a year, I get memory trainings for about 2 minutes once a month on random but that is it!!!

I just built a 7900x/7800xt system with 64 GB of 6000 and I love it

yup, my experience. 7900 non-x is incredibly efficient and i love not battling with power issues and bios updates because it is on a budget workstation/server. i need it up all the time and on a budget. i would opt for 7800x3d over 7900x3d any day. single ccd with v-cache is better then 2 ccd where only one has v-cache.

I have to agree, i've had no issues with my 6000m/t kit since launch. Due to the 1.3v issues, i haven't upgraded my bios since initial set up.

7700x here coming from 10700k. First amd cpu and the experience was amazing. I really like it.

Bought a 12700KF. (no support for a Intel video solution. Why do I need it while I have a superieur Nvidia RTX 3060Ti in my system?) Not an i9 but an i7 without any problems. Can handle whit ease your video/photo editing for less money. With modern CPU's temps are not the problem anymore. Got a large cooling fan on top of it. Max is never ever reached like 100 degrees Celsius. (Get some free software to monitor this! Temps are not the issue. Run Cinebench Release 23. That is a piece of software which will take the hell of your CPU and ramping up the temps. Your software? Doesn't in every case. How demanding it looks like. Cinebench is designed to ramp up the temps, voltage and stuff. Your software doesn't.) Your goal; using video/photo editing? The CPU is an absolute overkill. i9-14900k? Too much money. Performance? Some but not a lot against a cheaper i7. Wil take a few seconds of your task. what the difference? None. I hear the sounds also everywhere; Need for speed. Buy our product.... Speed doesn't do anything for you. It comes down to the software you are using. Some are really fast but others are slow in comparison. i7 or an i9? Makes no difference.Won't go so far as saying buy an i5. What you need is max cores. i5 is limited for a reason. Cheaper will do for the main part of the users, Browsing, email etc. Not a lot is going on. video/photo stuff needs a bit more by the design of the software. Not for the CPU. For your purpose was an i7 already more than enough. No need for a i9. So what if it is 2 seconds slower with an i7? Bother it? Listen to their sound.... More... Speed.... Buy.... Will be wonderful. BS. They want more money. Old tech like the 10 year old i7 was already a Highlight. Performance is with a i9 slightly better. What do they want? Users who will play state of the art games. Ha. Company's like AMD and Nvidia also targeting on the subject. Less CPU. More crazy 2048 (and more) GPU cores. If you want superior performance? Choose a product which make use of those GPU cores, More performance than a CPU...... And I am not kidding. A faster CPU won't help. A very good GPU takes it over. Invest in that. Software which makes use of the 2048 core GPU's? Blazing trails.... CPU's are a bit old school. 12 or more cores. Not easy. GPU's? 2048 cores and they keep up raising the numbers each day. At the end of the day? Focus more on your software and the use of a GPU. More speed is there to get. Forget the CPU power. You don't browse or email faster with a fast CPU. Just my 2 cents. GPU power will in the end over class any CPU. Future will be more ridiculous as we thought. New products with AI build in to it. Can predict scenes which we don't have experienced yet. Crazy stuff. Make use of your GPU. More performance with the right software brings you so much more performance than a fast CPU........

Update your bios.

@@lillen141 I did, it's up to date.

Anyone ignorant with an AMD component in their system will think the AMD component is at fault when stuff goes wrong. Their bad reputation is extremely undeserved. Idk what GPU you have but if it's AMD and you posted this on Reddit people would somehow blame the AMD GPU for it I swear.

​@@Altrop AMD 100% deserve their reputation.

@@Altropmy x570 platform hasn’t received a bios update since 2022. They absolutely deserve their reputation. Never touching an amd platform again.

Small sample size problems, like a sample size of 1.

It's definitely an ASUS problem. Their forums and subreddit have new threads related to this junk every day. It's a shame J2c is so far out of the loop. I mean.. a quick email to Steve would have revealed it.

Same here. MSI ACE, dropped in 6400MHz Kingston 48GBx2 CL32 with 7950X3D, ticked expo/auto and the way it went. Used same ram and cpu for out other system except board was Asrock X670EPG Lightning, it too saw ram 6400MHz and have had zero issues.

@@n3o717 I'm running the MSI x670e Ace as well. Gskill ram with the same timings. 64 gb 6400 mhz, CL32. The thing is I've heard folks say motherboard doesn't matter anymore since the controller is on the CPU. I can't say I know, but I can say that anecdotally I've seen many of these folks rocking Asus boards. *shrug*

Dude! I was exactly the same... like crapped myself the 1st time as it was sooo quick, like you say instantaneous! ...I'd used decent thermal paste, and a dual 120mm fan Thermalright Peerless Assassin. I updated to latest BIOS, and set the RAM settings manually, and it seems okay... I only get the occasional BSOD and that was when I've been in Microsoft Flight Simulator which would make anything but Threadripper with 4090 cry

I found it's sensitive to fan settings, though mainly more the fans ramping quickly until I set a delay in BIOS. Never had an issue with them getting to the max temperatures though (that's 90C or something?). Curve Optimiser is your friend here (there's the PBO2 tool which lets you do this on X3D), found that I had stability just using someone else's modest settings to achieve -30 on all cores (you're generally not supposed to just use other people's settings, but it was stable so whatever) and a sizeable reduction in power/temps while actually gaining a sliver more performance. Even if you can't quite manage that, it can at least let you lower those temps down to give yourself more headroom.

I had the same thing and undervolted in BIOS and now I have a stable under 50C while playing Cyberpunk at High to Ultra settings.

@@GrandHighGamer Thanks for sharing, wasn't aware of the PB02 tool... I'll give it a go"

what does issues with ram stability look like?

what motherboard are you using?

@@coke4274 sorry for the super late response im Useing the gigabyte x670e aorus master

I would appreciate it if you could tell me which motherboard and RAM you are using.

@@Aolzarin Gigabyte X670E Aorus Master Corsair Vengeance RGB 32GB(2x16) 6000MT/s CL30

It's spelled "using".

Tbf, I had a 12900k that had the same issue, once I upgraded to a 13900k I could actually get the advertised speeds. I don't think that this is just an AMD issue.

When did you buy your 5800x? Aka, is it an earlier model? I've seen and heard a lot of issues with AMD and ram when the AM5 platform was first released. In August, I upgraded to a 7800x3d, 7900xt, and 32gb 6000mhz, and experienced virtually no issues. However, I'm not doing extensive technical stuff like streaming, video encoding, and everything is air cooled and not overclocked. I mainly ask because it seems a lot of youtubers and early adopters seem to still be having issues, while new adopters don't. Sometimes small QA changes can have big impacts, like a different pcb supplier, or extra support somewhere, or adding an extra .01% nickel to your alloy.

SAME! I purchased a 5800X back in January of 2022 and I would just have random restarts where the system would just literally black screen and well... restart... changed RAM, Mobo, PSU and still same problem until I finally decided it might be the CPU. January of this year I purchased the 5800X3D and bam, no more random restarting... A wild problem that I never really expected to be a problem.

early stepping 5800x i take it? my launch 5800x was garbage. could barely do 5.7ghz static at like 1.35v the best clocking 8c16t Zen 3 i've ever had was actually a 5700x that did 5.05 - 5.075ghz PBO/CO on the two best cores and 4.85ghz static at 1.31v

I had a 5900x runing with a 3600 mhz 32gig kit that was specifically tuned for ryzen. I had zero issue runing DOCP for 2 years. Now, i have a 7600 with a 32gig kit at 6000mhz. I had one issue with the OC. It started to bluescreen on me. I just clear cmos and redo the OC and now it works like previously. Biosses are poop. If you change things left and right, especially if you use ryzen master, some settings will be bugged and you have to clear cmos.

I don't have any issues, but I have the 7800X3D, so it doesn't need to park cores or make use of Xbox Game Bar to identify game applications. The chiplet with the extra cache is always running.

thats why i stick with intel. intel is always stable. amd, not so much

I also went for an i5-13600kf and I love it

​@@jebes909090Intel is having a lot of issues with the 13900k / 14900k (14900k one or two cases so far) with the CPU degrading over time and users having to lower the PCore ratio because it became unstable with the default 55x. I had a 13900KF and had to RMA it, now after a month I'm having same issues with the replacement.

My 12700k since Nov 21' has been flawless so far.

It’s should be awesome in the winter 🔥🔥🔥!

Same here, Process Lasso is a great utility, my system has been stable since I built it and haven't noticed any of the issues Jay has mentioned. I run 64Gb of 6000MHz memery too (G.Skill), not had a single BSOD

@@johndesousa4591 Same here, PC is running rock solid. I am also doing some light Curve Optimizer UV (just -10 on the 3D CCD and -15 on the non-3D) for a tad more thermal and efficiency gains, my RAM is also 6000 with manual agressive CL30 timings (I mostly just yoinked the timings from Buildzoids' 6000 OC video), these timings are more agressive than the standard 6000 CL30 XMP profile. Last uptime was 45 days straight, had to reboot for a windows update

7800x3d still on top regarding power

@@aziaufa418 That's true, one less CCD to feed power to. But for people like me who need CPU horsepower during work (Homeoffice, dealing with big datasets and databases to churn through) but still like to game after work, the 7950x3D is the best of both worlds

@@JayanWarden Hi Jayan, which motherboard and Ram did you go with? Thanks

i did too, it seems to have sorted itself over time...

Do the problems talked about here (with Jay's setup for example) occur only when overclocking? Getting my AMD setup too and got bit worried about these issues. No plans to mess with the system, just run it default, so hopefully it goes problem free.

excactly the setup i want to get. can you share you complete list of specs? i'm curious to what MB you're using, RAM too

AMD is ok for casual gamers, but for streaming+gaming+browsers opened with multipletabs you'll experience stutters ans real 1% frame losses compared to Intel.

Putting almost best consumer PC pieces for "not abusing my PC" -what is wrong with you people. With a 7800x3d and 4080 rtx you would spend less and gain more with rt and lower consumption

This is my first AMD CPU in 15 years also 🤣😂😂

AM5 will have more support than intels mobos

GIve me a real scenario where you had gains from that setup. One. I dare you. I double dare you mofo.

@@slickysan Right? And it has 20+ upvotes?! LOL. What on earth is this guy doing that he feels he's anywhere near saturating it? Seriously, what workload on what hardware that's even close to half of it? Sounds like another case of "I want more because someone told me theoretically there's more headroom on PCIE 5, despite even the newest hardware being unable of saturating the *previous* gen". ;)

@@VeritasEtAequitas Indeed lmao. I'm still waiting for that scenario, but the guy bailed. He specifically mentioned "his needs" :)))))

@@slickysanBailed? He probably has not even read your commentS

Best choice. I don't even know why anyone would go for anything else. I still can't believe the performance numbers while drawing soo little power, it's just bonkers. This cpu can easily last 5 years in a top tier gaming system and after that a potential 9800x3d can probably be just swapped in.

His problem is the 7950x3D sucks. The 7800x3D is good. I guess he wants more cores and faster RAM timings. He’s making a long winded excuse to go back to a dead platform and use way more power lol.

@@quintrapnell3605 Why do you care about power so much? I really don't get why people care so much about power, in their PCs while they have RGB everywhere and subsused cooling systems. i understand people like 3D cos better benchmarks I get it. But power? who cares unless is a laptop CPU power wont make a such difference anyway when choosing PSU. So why?

7800X3D only has a single CCD with the V-Cache on it. So it doesn't suffer from the problems he described with the 7950X3D. And for gaming there is not much point in more than 8 cores anyways.

@@quintrapnell3605 AMD sells something that sucks and wastes someone's time. Common AMD Fan reaction.. YOU BOUGHT THE WRONG ONE!

Depending on your timings. Thats really slow memory, wouldnt be surprised if it caused bottlenecks in some games

@@mamamia5668 fortunately the timings are pretty tight. Started with buildzoid am5 standard timings, upped the speed and then worked on the sub timings slightly.

no really, 6000 is AMD prefered overclocked memory, AMD is said so theirself, you can go over 6000, but thats not 1 to 1 anymore for the ram@@mamamia5668

@@mamamia5668 lol no it's not, unless the CL is like 40+

@@joshholmes1372 6200mhz is zzz build man. We need that 7000+ cl 35 and under :)

When I ran my 3800 before it also took 2 years before I could run full memory speed. So I just upgrade to 5800x3d

I just upgraded to a 5800x3d from a 3600 two weeks ago. I feel zero need to upgrade anytime soon

@@robo-ert5754it’s a good cpu no need to upgrade anytime soon

same

What Intel chip should I go with

If you play mainly games the 5800x3d is a very solid chip that shares none of the stability issues he talks about here and is fairly competitive even against the newer chips. Highly recommend it, myself and 4 of my buddies use it.

I still running the AMD 8350FX on a ROG Crossair V formula Thunderbolt....still run.s awesome for my need's .If it ain't broke don't fix it.

You probably shouldn't pick the 5950x because is is expensive, has thermo throttling issues and is overkill for most use cases. For gaming, depending on system load, it can actually run slower than a 12 or 8 core version. My recommendation would be the R7 5800X3D ( +25 -> 50% gaming ) if gaming is what you want, the R9 5900X ( +120% computation ) if computation performance is your focus, or a R7 5700 ( +25% gaming and +36% computation ) if you just want to solid PC upgrade. I am rocking a R9 5900X setup for 65W ECO mode, which means a little less power under heavy multicore loads but also less thermo throttling.

Good old FX-8350 myself. Served me well up until about 2020. Built a new system with a 5800x zero problems with that ran very cool no stability issues at all. “Upgraded” to the 5800x3d and to be honest not that impressed with it. Only way to make it hit the advertised boost is to play around with PBO/-30 offset which to me shouldn’t be mandatory on a factory tune. Also the clock speed hit is considerable so unless you’re playing the specific games that benefit from a X3D I would just recommend a 5800x. Price is right and it does what it’s advertised to out of the box unlike the X3D variant.

​@@South_0f_Heaven_ Switching from a 5800x, or even a 5700x, to a 5800X3D is a downgrade for most things aside from gaming. You also need very good (water) cooling, RAM running at DDR4-3600 XMP and a PCIe 4 capable motherboard ( 500 series chipset ) to really profit from it. With those your gaming performance gets near AM5 levels, and general computation power should also be okay.

You need to test with something else than CB23 to get a real CPU benchmark due to how CB just loops the test during long tests and is not good for prolonged stress tests. You can use it like reviewers do for short testing and comparisons, not what you did. You need BurnInTest to do what you're trying to do.

Of course he used crappy Asus which burns your AM5 CPUs to hell with too high voltages. What you expect from this channel? He has zero idea what he does and just buys the most expensive stuff. Asus board for $800 is the best right? 4 memory DIMMs are the best right? right? right? more voltage is better right???

@@bestonyoutube whats funny is he said he would quit using them. but he does that often and than cry's when he starts having problems

What motherboard would you reccomend?@@bestonyoutube

why are you so mad lmfao chill@@bestonyoutube

that was ASUS fault 100% and they fix the issue with a BIOS update not CPU fault , i have a 7800x3d with a MSI MOBO b650 tomahack with corsair ram 6000CL30 AMD EXPO 6000mhz enable and PBO-30 no problems so far

Isn't x570e an AM4 chipset ? How does that work with the 7700x ?

@juandenz2008 Was a typo on my part, I fixed it, though.

You're the most insane person I've ever seen in the history of mankind, so you bought a 700$ motherboard for a 320$ cpu 🤦

If your plan was a 7950X3D, why on earth did you downgrade so far as the 7700? You could just do a 13900K or 14900K which both are cheaper and faster in all aspects. Add to that Intel definitely has a greater stability currently ASUS or no ASUS.

Glad it wasn't just me. I went through about two years where I swear every windows update murdered my system. There was one it would try, it would murder it, it would roll it back then two weeks later it would try it again and I couldn't find a way to just disable updates. That laptop now has Linux Mint on it and sits next to me for emails and web browsing. Linux refuses to acknowledge the presence of my discreet laptop graphics card so its not all sunshine and roses but I don't play games on it anyway.

I'm using the same config myself actually. I'm also liquid cooling both in a FD Meshify 2.

Can you give me either a link or quick steps to use process lasso? What exactly is it?

​@@mannypereyra4you don't need a lasso. In bios choose cppc - by driver. And if the game is new, just add the game in the game bar. Or just use the tray program - v-cache.

7950x3d needs Process Lasso for max performance. Yes, it's a slight announce to be the thread director. Ccd0 for gaming only. Ccd1 for system tasks, background tasks, chrome, discord and everything else. Also offload all infinity interrupts into ccd1 as well. My average Dpc latency is under 1ms in latencymon. Buttery smooth and zero dips in gaming. Downside is there is a learning curve to set up the 7950x3d in this manner. Best CPU I have used so far.

@@jsktravels1307 nope, it does not. Any of my game always on cache ccd. If I alt-tab, it instantly goes to frequency ccd and back to cache after alt tab in game. Without game, in any software cache ccd in parked state and work only frequency ccd.

​@@jsktravels1307can you please share how you eventually set it up in BIOS as per your best working experience? Thank you!

Strange that this is comes down to the mainboard. I have a 7800x3d CPU as well and a mainboard from Gigabyte (Aorus Master) and run it perfectly on 6000 Mhz. Also some mainboard seem to have loading times up to 30 second to windows. So the memory training take a lot of time. (this also based on mainboard) I dont have that either (10 second max). So when somebody go for amd make sure you pick the right mainboard. And dont pay 1.000 dollar for them... it is just silly.

@@mcrib2499 I think you may be right, and it could also be a batch based issue because I have seen people with my same motherboard achieve a consistent 6000Mhz without any issues

Would never touch Asus, Asrock, nasty boards. I have had trouble with intel n AMD,.

ASUS has become increasingly unreliable over the years and even more appalling is the fact that their support has completely gone down the tubes. ASUS isn't nearly the company they were 5 years ago. ASUS likely still makes some good system boards but I wouldn't chance buying one because ASUS support is vast becoming an oxymoron. GIGABYTE, on the other hand, has really stepped up to the plate over the years. It's almost as though they found ASUS old client policy list, hired the best hardware developers they could get, and followed ASUS old model. If they stick to what they are doing they're going to pass ASUS both in quality components and customer satisfaction.

Several years ago i switched to AM4 with a X570 Tomahawk and a R7 3700X and i choose an expensive G.Skill XMP 3600 CL15 Kit (aim was to tune the memory to its limits) and oh my i never got the system stable at XMP speeds for about 1,5years. Then i switched to an R9 5900X, changed to an PCIe 4 m.2 and to a RX 6800XT and suddenly the RAM and the system worked as if nothing had happened before. My BIOS was always up to date. But since then it worked like a charme. I am satisfied at last since i value efficiency over raw power. Anyways saw both sides in one system and yeah it can be really annoying.

@@scannerman777 That's interesting. I used to always go with gigabyte because they were solid for me, but for my 7950x3d build I went with a gigabyte aero g board and it was nothing but problems for months- constant blue screens and crashing. I swapped to an asus strix x670e-a board and it has not crashed once. After I was satisfied and increases the speeds of my ram, it did start taking longer to boot but no crashing or blue screens at all.

Which gigabyte mb did you use for your 7950x build?

swapping cpu dont solve sorry

I'm positive he troubleshot, he talked about a ton of steps. AMD cuts corners, plain and simple and doesnt have the R/D for good drivers.

He should've swapped to the 7950X (non-3D) for 16 cores (32 threads) of all high-performance goodness. That's what I use, with the same motherboard as Jay and everything runs perfect, EXPO memory speeds as well.

It's obviously an IMC degradation issue which if he was more experienced, he would have RMA'd it. 2012 isn't very long in Computer terms lol.

I had a similar issue to your weird hiccups on my previous X570 system with 5700X. It turned out for me that the thing causing the weird hiccups including in audio was the fTPM implementation. Since I am still on Windows 10, I just disabled the module and the hiccups went away for me. I am guessing by this point that is fixed for the X570 board I have (sitting in the other room in the box. I have a friend who is going to build a newer pc for themselves with it when they come to visit from out of state) but I haven't been using it for a while now so I can't be certain. I would hope so, and hopefully it doesn't cause the same stutter issues in Windows 11.

So, i can't speak about Ryzen 7XXX But i've had 3900X and 5950X on ASUS Z570 PRO board. It was the single worst experience with hardware i've ever had. I strongly believe their BIOS team is either incompetent or are simply trolling. The number of times they've released BIOS that would bug out on any frequency above 3200 is ridiculous. Every 2nd BIOS update was straight up broken. I've switched to another brand since then and had 0 problems with same RAM and CPU. I've promised myself to avoid AMD+ASUS combo at all costs.

which motherboard are you using?

@@coke4274 first 3 months was Asus x670e rog strix. Ended up having a manfacture defect that caused it to shut off randomly. (Psu tested thoroughly good) Asus replaced it without hesitation. But I ended up going with a MSI tomahawk x670e and sold the asus replacement to a friend losing only $100. The MSI has been solid. And friend hasn’t had any problems with the asus.

You must be doing Cad or things of that nature to not have bought 7800X3D for gaming. It out does everything in most games and does it for about 50-80 watts than 500 watts or so of other chips that get beat by a 50- 80 Watt CPU with lower temps on top of it.

@@truthseeker6532The Ryzen 9 7950X will outlive the Ryzen 7 7800X3D in gaming because the X3D chips have clockspeed jitter problems and the 7950X has a lot of cores for fast shader compilation and smooth 1% lows if the game calls those cores for that. I own a Core i7-12700K and i don't have to worry about microstuttering or stuttering because of the smooth clocks and high core count.

who needs insane fps in indie games?🤣

​@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue indie games aren't relevant here

@@vgm6025 oh yes they are since jaystwocents says they are🤣

Better get a 13700K and turn off Hyper Threading. Then you have faster no. 9 to 16 cores. Also processor gets less warm (won't clock down much then), uses less energy. Change in Bios that speed can go up to 5800mhz for the first 4 cores. You have a lightning fast game PC then.

@@jankees4037 and undervolt for better thermals to🤣

its ytour board not the ram , i had same issue with gigabyte b650 and i decided im done with gigabyte and bought the msi tomakawk b650 and literally not a single crash since i switched 9 months ago the gig board is absolute dogshit and caused all my memory timing issues to the point i would crash on every single restart. literally every single problem gone by switchng my motherboard to msi bottom line buy a quality MB DO NOT BUY GIGABYTE !!! LITERALLY THE WORST COMPANY IN THE GAMING SPACE

​@@fullsend_ny7948 Haha well said mate. I've long been done working with GigaShyte products. Some people still sing their praises.....

7800x3d has only one ccd, you shouldn't get those memory issues. have you tried other bios/mobo combos?

@@fullsend_ny7948 i think you may be right. 7800x3d shouldn't have issues like larger, two ccd, cpus.

@@sakatababa Well the AMD platform in general has its own set of issues with memory.

I'm pairing up that CPU with a RX 7900 GRE on an Asus Prime X370- A. In a few years, I'll update the motherboard. I think I'll be good for awhile.

I feel Jay wanted an excuse to go back to Intel no matter what.

@@KingcoleIIV he didn't even try RMA an obvious IMC degradation fault lol. really not very experienced with PCs.

12700k is awesome. Built my 1st gaming PC with a 12700k and it's been running like a champ without any issues.

The memory speed limits and instability is holding me back from AMD. Then I'm still waiting for Arrow Lake on the Intel side, so I guess I just wait

Loved Phenom II! I still own Phenom II X6 1055T, and it has been the longest lasting CPU ever.

@@georgefoley9793 same cpu running 24/7 since 2011 it even mined Bitcoin back on the days on it, the last 1-2 years it started bit to slow with updated on o/s etc if you push it but for normal general non game usage or editing its fine but one of most success cpus after amd Athlon x2 - socket 939, after the release of Phenom 2 the failures came before the first Ryzen got released .and after ryzen came intel got stuck after the 6800k series until lately with over pumping same architecture and stupid +++ to catch up cause they need to change new fabs they might be ready around 2026

His issues are specific to the 7950X3D, not 3D in general. I don't understand why every commenter seems to have not actually watched the video. The 7800X3D has only one chiplet, so it doesn't need to park cores nor rely on Xbox Game Bar to identify game applications.

Which kit specifically do you have? Is it the 2x16 or the 2x32? CL30 or CL32? I've got the same memory on my list of parts to buy, thinking I might bump up to 2x32gb, but the only one officially listed as supported by my motherboard choice (asus rog strix B650E-F) is the 2x16gb CL30 version..while it lists the 2x32gb cl32 being supported. Both 6000mhz. Odd that just changing from 32 to 64gb the board says it goes from cl30 support to cl32 support. Although the g.skill website says that 2x32gb (cl30) works fine with the B650 boards.

@@slandshark I'm using 2x16 kit. It is odd that the motherboard QVL doesn't include 2x32 kit for your motherboard at cl30 but it'll most probably work.

$10 says it's a motherboard issue.

@@Gamesemag Are you okay? Do you need someone to talk to? Is everything okay lil buddy?

he forgot his meds.@@nickwort123

@@AndyViant It's a CPU issue. I had the same, swapped CPU after months of testing and tweaking, and everything just works now.

​@@GamesemagIn what world did you decide this comment would make you look good? Talk about embarrassingly cringe.

What kind of board did you get? Gigabyte typically is more flaky with memory

@@timothygibney159 MSI X670E Tomahawk

5200MHz is the native max the chip supports, but all RAM is run overclocked. You’re missing out on about 10% performance with 5200 as Ryzen is heavily speed dependent

nah really most application will barely noticeable difference​@@SpyderTracks

@@SpyderTracks GPU is usually the limiting factor and not RAM. If RAM is your limiting factor, you got a fkn problem. Losing 10% ram speed with DDR5 will never be felt unless you are building for blender or something like that. Or trying to run starfield. But why would you play that game is beyond me.

Mostly an 7950x3D Issue. Hes not alone and its a TON of people that have the issue. 7800x3D doesnt have the issue either for the most part afaik.

@@ShimejiiGaming Yeah, 7950x3d is a chip that wants to do it all and doesn't really succed anywhere, unless you're willing to disable the non-3d chiplet in the bios everytime you want to game.

@@ShimejiiGaming I am running the 7800x3d with 96Gb 6400Mhz memory and have zero issues. Heat or otherwise... but then again my primary goal was game performance not multitasking. So far I have not had a single crash which is awesome. My previous system was a pre-built system and I was not happy with almost from the get go. The current system is built by me and I have loved it

Same CPU here, 7950x with 64GB of EXPO 6000 RAM from Gskill. Latest firmware with the ASUS motherboard and seems to be very stable. It does seem to be the 7950x3D CPU that is having some weirdness issues like this :(

@ShimejiiGaming Knock on wood.... but I'm running 7950x3D and 64gb of 6000mhz ram for the last six month and haven't had any issues.