Why This Le Mans Hypercar Works With NO REAR WING
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День томуSo Le Mans has always produced some incredible cars, and the new Hypercar class is no exception. But look at this Toyota, this Glickenhaus, this Alpine and then this.
Notice the odd one out? This Peugeot 9X8 has no rear wing.
It’s been decades since we’ve seen a top-flight Le Mans car without a huge rear wing - they’re essential in producing downforce and keeping the car on the road.
But somehow, Peugeot have made this car in a way that actually benefits from not having a rear wing - let’s dive into it.
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The new LMH series is designed to produce closer racing and a grid of radically different cars, with huge freedom given to the designers.
For the previous LMP1 class, things worked a bit like in Formula 1. The FIA gave the designers a set of tight, geometrical restrictions on the bodywork of the cars, and the designers have to fit the bodywork within those restrictions.
This prevents the teams creating ridiculous downforce or taking things a bit too far.
However, this gave us a grid of similar-looking cars with big differences in performance, depending on which designers made best use of the regulations. The LMH class turns this on its head.
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@Driver61 2 роки тому
Isn't this design genius?! I'm so excited to see these awesome-looking hypercars running! Don't forget to subscribe!
@agungsedayu6219 2 роки тому
its genius, but doesn't really works like nissan GT-R LM nismo
@JoJoDo 2 роки тому
Minimal drag coefficient of 1.0, is that right? 1 is like a brick, completly flat.
@Khan-ts2ji 2 роки тому
@@JoJoDo Yes. These cars produce so much downforce that the drag is increased massively. I wonder how much drag do F1 cars have.
@thebarkingmouse 2 роки тому
My concern with depending on underfloor downforce, is what happens when the car bottoms out or there's some piece of debris on the track that upsets that under-floor airflow. Does the vehicle suddenly lose much if not most of its downforce and then lose cornering ability for instance. A car that bottoms out could simply go straight instead of making the turn. Obviously the engineers and aerodynamicists that build these cars are geniuses, but that is my concern. Apologies for any grammar or spelling errors I'm using voice recognition.
@zachbishop5421 2 роки тому
Do you think that them using underbody down force will reduce the dirty air thus making them easier to pass then the cars producing over body downforce?
@phillyphil1513 2 роки тому
3:41 - LOL Peugeot went and SPELLED IT OUT for the Punters, i guess can't get any clearer than that. 😂
@vinnycordeiro 2 роки тому
"Plz no punterino" to the extreme, Jimmer would be proud.
@samfisher2141 2 роки тому
They made the legendary 908 and Im pump about this race car
@merijnfluitman5761 2 роки тому
That Peugeot is a thing of beauty. I am definitely supporting that car. Also, while they are radically different the LMH cars physically still look a lot like the LMP cars
@azifazeez 2 роки тому
Valkyrie had it stayed, would've been amazing
@Stellar-Cowboy 2 роки тому
Meh. The future LMHs and the Glickenhaus are very new and look great. No so much for Toyota and Alpine.
@cowpker4life333 2 роки тому
@@azifazeez agrreed. One best cars that where going exist and very fast. Bugatti was in theory quicker but mostly bc 60% more HP lol. I mean road legal car that is lmp2 speeds is crazy. They still are making the track only car that is going be crazy
@jamilrahman3216 2 роки тому
@@Stellar-Cowboy I mean the alpine is essentially an lmp1 anyway
@bigmoncrief6071 2 роки тому
As I understand it, Toyota forced the ACO to water down their original LMH plans on the basis that they were the only manufacturer commited to the programme at that stage and had a lot of leverage. I think it was a big reason why Aston Martin backed out (maybe Toyota wanting hybrids and AM not?). My biggest gripe with LMH is that they haven't banned the fins which are basically big advertising boards and have blighted the look of all LMP cars for the last decade. As a result the Toyota Hypercar looks barely distinguishable from the LMP. We already know they don't work as a safety device (Duval, Davidson crashes). If Peugeot keep their promise of no rear wing (and no fin) they will have my full support.
@aaronanish7400 2 роки тому
The guy who to put " WE DIDN'T NEED A REAR WING" has given us the answer
@merijnfluitman5761 2 роки тому
We didn't want a rear wing
@minirock000 2 роки тому
You got the phrase wrong and it was obviously a corporate decision to put the phrase there because they actually put it on the rear wing. Too easy whooah.
@TGears314 2 роки тому
@@minirock000 but it’s not a wing. It’s a spoiled at best
@minirock000 2 роки тому
@@TGears314 I would go with a spoiler, which does the same job as a whale tail. The title should be "no whale tail (or fluke) but it still has aerodynamic forces in the rear of the body so making the whole claim of the video bullshit".
@emperorsascharoni9577 2 роки тому
its want 3:42
@hooyabaaa2 2 роки тому
This made me remember the Nissan GT-R LM Nismo... On PAPER that car would be revolutionary with FRONT WHEEL DRIVE. Everybody knows the results... Now, Peogeot wants to try a car without a wing... Ok, since the overall downforce and drag is limited, maybe this work a bit better.
@josesammut9396 2 роки тому
The Nissan thing never got going though. They were lugging around unplugged electric motors and spent most of the 24hrs in the garage.
@coyy9106 2 роки тому
The main issue with the Nissan was the ridiculously unreliable hybrid, not the front engine concept.
@carlosalmeida04 2 роки тому
@@coyy9106 and the brakes. The drivers were complaining about the fact that brakes sometimes would just refuse to work
@jorhop4005 2 роки тому
If the Nissan project was ran by different people it actually could’ve been successful.
@procatprocat9647 2 роки тому
FWD is for shopping cars. It's fundamentally flawed.
@Deamon93IT 2 роки тому
The 9X8 is such a gorgeous car, looking forward to see her in action!
@tonywright8294 2 роки тому
It’s a car not a woman you wanker
@mr.fister4738 2 роки тому
@@tonywright8294 I wanna hear what you have to say after you hear about war ships
@Madrat-tw2in 2 роки тому
@@tonywright8294 so have you never heard older cat people talk about their cars?
@JappaKneads 2 роки тому
@@tonywright8294 _"It’s a car _*_not a woman_*_ you wanker"_ Lol!...Neither is "Mother Nature"...
@davidheaney9249 2 роки тому
@@tonywright8294 every car and motorcycle driven or ridden by a man are always women .... it's a given .. and try not to swear
@calvintola 2 роки тому
What concerns me is how will the car be affected when the floor is damaged, we see many times in F1 where debris or small damages to the floor can lead to a big drop in lap times, I don't think they have the luck to run hours without getting screwed by debris left on the track caused by earlier incidents
@mauricebarth6140 2 роки тому
Good Point
@wombat4191 2 роки тому
All the makings of a proper French automotive design: looks cool, sounds good, works well until real world is applied.
@THESLlCK 2 роки тому
@@wombat4191 pugeot quasar
@TrashskillsRS 2 роки тому
The floor is easily damaged by debris on the ground. Meanwhile the more normal looking LM cars can easily have their aero in the front or back destroyed if they hit something or get hit.
@ambergris5705 2 роки тому
I think F1 are more vulnerable since you can see clearly how far the floor extends from the bodywork. Plus, since it's an open-wheeler championship, it's easy to have a wheel coming close and damaging it. Here, it's going to be bodywork against bodywork, and it's not a flat floor, it's Venturi tunnels. So I'm expecting less fragility, even though it could still be damaged from under
@kizmetmars 2 роки тому
Showing that as an example of no wing is savage 0:19
@Dade97200 2 роки тому
If not design for it ! LOL
@satyakisil4289 2 роки тому
I did see a wing on that car, if my sight is correct.
@cheeseball99 2 роки тому
@@satyakisil4289 it got knocked off by the tires
@Greippi10 2 роки тому
Fucking perfect editing!
@chrisa.d.7460 2 роки тому
This is great when the designers have some wiggle room. We get interesting, cool cars, not sameness.
@SoulTouchMusic93 2 роки тому
Yeah it's nice when the engineers are part of the race too.
@KB-bh9hp 2 роки тому
Exactly, so glad to see that design is starting to matter just as much as engineering, just as it should.
@oldtimegames96 2 роки тому
Finally a way to recognise cars by their looks, not stickers and pit garage.
@GonzoDonzo 2 роки тому
Yeah im so happy to see them take this new approach. Homogenizing sports never goes well and thats what we were ending up with. Came down to who can spend to find those tiny improvements. Now the engineers can get creative. I cant wait to see this design in action. Dirty air may mean nothing to this car
@deggis4 2 роки тому
Not so great when the ruleset completely goes against the "let the best-engineered car win" principle. In addition to the aerodynamic limitations mentioned in the video, no continuous development is allowed but there is BoP (Balance of Performance) which will be an absolute clownshow.
@dipesh8836 2 роки тому
I love how he shows the Bugatti bolide for an example of LMh even tho the bolide is way too fast to be one of lmh 's
@RENO_K 2 роки тому
@Eddie Hitler but you gotta hand it to them, it's an awesome car
@audiomatters9523 2 роки тому
@Eddie Hitler Hitler? Any relation?? 😁
@audiomatters9523 2 роки тому
@Eddie Hitler no no no, I meant Adolph Hitler?
@tony_5156 2 роки тому
And it will never race or do anything It’s a showpiece car
@Madrat-tw2in 2 роки тому
I mean they could enter it but it would probably have a different engine and be de-tuned
@BadDayLp 2 роки тому
The message on the back of the clar made the intentions very clear: "We dont want a rear wing" lmao
@YOUENNNN 2 роки тому
You can read it with a french accent for more impact 😂
@ilmelangolo 2 роки тому
My curiosity is: did they plan to design a car without the rear wing, or did they find the chance to do it along the way?
@MrCTruck 2 роки тому
My guess is the latter. I'll bet previous designs and configurations were producing too much drag, and they found a chance to use ground effect over a wing
@grayaj23 2 роки тому
like was it a design goal? Or did they discover it "Once we made the car the way we wanted it, we found out that it worked even better with no rear wing"? That's the interesting question, IMO. like "OK but y tho?"
@BadDayLp 2 роки тому
Maybe the real rear wing are the friends they made along the way. Keeping them down to earth.
@BadDayLp 2 роки тому
Well at 3:41 you can see the message "We didnt want a rear wing", so theres that haha
@kstricl 2 роки тому
My take: previous racing rules have limited how much downforce was allowed using this method, so once the rules were opened to allow for it, they broke out all the lessons they'd learned and turfed the wing. I would love to see what they could build without the drag coefficient and downforce rules hampering them - it would probably be mind blowingly fast.
@skylonthedragon 2 роки тому
"We didnt want a rear wing" put on the back of the car is the best thing ive seen in a while
@KayJblue 2 роки тому
This car Stunned me when I saw it for the first time, looks incredible and the engineering is just as interesting.
@kissgergo5202 2 роки тому
Man I really hope this car actually dominates the field
@daniel18gamerdw 2 роки тому
This looks absolutely insane. I'm looking forward to seeing it at Le Mans, especially since this year's race was a good one
@arjun._.bbC6 Рік тому
The 962 too didn't have a rear wing, something Porsche arrived at by extending the tail and focusing more on the diffusers. More underbody aero. Result- a stunning and beautifully flowing car that dominated Le Mans. Peugeot too is a Le Mans legend. No surprise to see them experimenting with some very interesting old concepts.
@Slywyn 2 роки тому
"How does this car have no rear wing" That's their secret: The whole car is the wing.
@kevinhawthorne5257 2 роки тому
Thank You for all of your videos that you did. I am enjoying all of them
@notfunny3397 2 роки тому
" we didn't want a rear wing" On the rear of the car lol
@gringostarr69 2 роки тому
Rear, wink wink :D
@Allangulon 2 роки тому
It's about time the race controllers encouraged inovation rather than stifled it!
@ASJC27 2 роки тому
Innovation? How so? These rules are the most stifling in terms of aerodynamics that I remember seeing. They prescribe how much downforce you're allowed to make, how much drag at minimum you're allowed to make, and the maximum aerodynamic efficiency you're allowed to achieve. This means a short development to achieve the maximum allowed by regulations with no further development allowed. Peugeot didn't come up with some great package. They just realized that the limits are so ridiculously low that they don't even need a wing to hit them, and can therefore make a car that looks different. Kyle Engineers made a video about this with a good technical analysis. I recommend watching it. An engine equivalent to this ruleset would be having engine regulations that allow you to have any engine type and size you want, as long as you have no more than 300 hp. Then you don't need a 6 liter turbo V12 if you're just going to strangle it down to 300hp. You can just have a 3 cylinder.
@Allangulon 2 роки тому
@@ASJC27 Formulas are designed to produce close racing and reduce expenditure to encourage competitors to join as you well know. It is an effort to encourage innovation without expenditure, unfortunately this will amount to little more than a gimmick!
@ASJC27 2 роки тому
@Eddie Hitler Not true. With normal rules cars are always evolving. Take a look at F1 was example - if there are no major rule changes, every year cars are faster than they were the previous season, and a high midfield car is likely to be faster than the championship winning car of the previous year. That's development progress, and whoever makes the best rate of development will have a better car than his rivals. With the rules discussed here, having an aerodynamic advantage over another car is outlawed - they are all speced to have exactly the same downforce, drag and efficiency, with zero development. Sure cars will look different - because the limits are so low that you can hit them with many different designs, even ones that don't have a wing (hint hint), but they are all mandated to have identical aerodynamic performance. They will all have exactly the same downforce and exactly the same drag as each other, because that's what the regulations stipulate. That's an aerodynamic spec series, with no aero development.
@oldtimegames96 2 роки тому
@@ASJC27 ok, let's get this out here. You say that if the rules remain the same, then over time midfielder cars will be faster than previous championship winning cars.That may be true, but will it help the team? If the team does not win, all that development is for nothing, as previous championship winners are already ahead in such a system. This also makes sure that a driver's full potential cannot be truly identified, as a really good driver might be stuck in a back marker, as a rookie. Even if he drives the car to absolute limit, it would be hard for such a driver to even come to top teams. The regulations here are just defining how much drag and downforce a car can produce. This makes sure that a new or a low budget team can get similar performance numbers as compared to big budget teams. This also levels the playing field for drivers, as most cars have similar aerodynamic characteristic, and thus will help us to see who is a better driver. I agree to your point of it being an aero spec series, but even totally free innovation will kill a sport where technical development is as important as the drivers. Just see the case of F1. There are these big budget teams like Mercs, Ferrari, Renault, Red Bull who can under current regulations spend money like water just to get even the tiniest advantages, and on the other hand, we have Williams racing, who are barely struggling to just stay in the sport. See the case of Russel. Good driver (open to argument), but when did he had the best chances of winning a race? With Mercs, not Williams.
@paveantelic7876 2 роки тому
it's still stifled as ever
@Tj930 2 роки тому
Fascinating video. Maybe the ground-effect / diffuser-based design will be at a disadvantage because it doesn't sabotage the air into the following car so much?
@oldtimegames96 2 роки тому
That might be true, but this is the exact issue F1 has been facing for many years. Such a system which disrupts the flow of air on a car behind it makes overtaking extremely difficult. Ground effect cars not only make closer racing possible, but are also less affected by dirty air from other cars.
@Tj930 2 роки тому
@@oldtimegames96 Yeah, F1 22 was my thinking. But, as they say, the proof is in the pudding. Let's see how this slippery, little Peugeot does. 😉
@oldtimegames96 2 роки тому
@@Tj930 yep, that is true. Let's hope for the best.
@ClikcerProductions 2 роки тому
Make sure you consider the fact without a wing its cross section is much smaller, so the force of drag on it will be significantly lower than other cars in the class, giving it an advantage in terms of top speed and acceleration, and I expect this is more significant than the lack of dirty air
@Anon24052 2 роки тому
At the same time though, it might be giving less of a tow to following cars.
@ilham7345 2 роки тому
the 'WE DIDN'T WANT A REAR WING' should be replaced with 'NO WANG GANG'
@oConshien 2 роки тому
I watched the video, I know it focused on the floor effects, but "no rear wing"? Sure, technically, but isn't it just a spoiler instead of a wing?
@ilham7345 2 роки тому
@@oConshien Yes, it's a spoiler. But still no wing so the "no wang gang" mindset are still hold true
@RXGTP 11 місяців тому
Video aged like milk Moral of the story: Rear Wings are important
@rubbersidedown5620 10 місяців тому
Came here looking for this comment.
@GonzoDonzo 2 роки тому
Really love this new approach. Lets the designers have much more creativity. Cant wait to see how it plays out against their competitors. Dirty air means practically nothing to this design
@gregb49 2 роки тому
"It’s been decades since we’ve seen a top-flight Le Mans car without a huge rear wing" The last one I remember was the Chaparral 1966 2E Can-Am car. It had two fans at the rear of the car driven by a dedicated engine. It 'sucked' itself onto the ground and was great fun to watch as it went around corners as if it was on rails.
@mickael_guitara 2 роки тому
You mean the 2J, the 2E is famous for his massive, high-up wing. But even this one had kind of a wing, more like a ducktail but still
@gregb49 2 роки тому
@@mickael_guitara Thanks. In my defence, I saw it a long time ago. :)
@mickael_guitara 2 роки тому
@@gregb49 No need to apologize, nobody's perfect :)
@etr1xa_990 2 роки тому
I just waited for this video! 🔥
@CallTheCousins 11 місяців тому
This channel really does excel at being a rabbit hole channel, 90% of the videos lead into multiple videos on a similar topic!
@22-lh 2 роки тому
I would love to see the Bugatti Bollide compete in Le Mans that would be amazing, to bad it's not happening
@levengeurmasquedesabbysses6060 2 роки тому
Why is it not happening pls?
@22-lh 2 роки тому
@@levengeurmasquedesabbysses6060 Well I just googled and I see that there's no concrete evidence from Bugatti saying it will happen and the Bollide will only be produced in 2023/24 but maybe in the future they will race, that will be epic ... and imagine a Koenigsegg entry also ... will be unbelievable but for now we must just dream
@blankfiile 2 роки тому
@@levengeurmasquedesabbysses6060 Well the bolide doesnt comply with the regulations at all. The power curve is way too high on that car so it needs to be neutered to around 700hp, the weight is too high. it makes too much downforce and has too much drag because it has the power to push it through now but it won't work when it complies to the regs. The cockpit also doesnt comply with the dimensions in the regulations, to get around that they can homologate the car on a road car design but as the bolide is not a road car that also doesnt work. Bugatti would have to completely redesign it and i dont see that happening. The most I expect is a kind of silhouette style car that looks like it but is completely different under the bodywork.
@cowpker4life333 2 роки тому
@@22-lh your not very smart are you? Look at any info on the rules etc? And your never going see a koenigsegg in a racing event like that lol.
@22-lh 2 роки тому
@@cowpker4life333 Definitely learning now, but I dont watch le mans i didnt even think of that dumb mistake .. but the dream is for them to create a car that fits the LMH spec
@rnichol22 2 роки тому
Peugeot are really on the game both on road and race, and still the snobs love to bash this company.
@zbyszanna 2 роки тому
That car looks awesome. Peugeot designers did a really good job.
@rafale1905 2 роки тому
I saw the 9x8 at LeMans this year it's epic
@chrislowe1065 2 роки тому
Le Mans is going to be amazing the next few years. Ferrari, Porsche, and Audi all coming back. Strong roumers of a GM machine, BMW, Honda and maybe even Jag. And to top it all off 2025, Hydrogen Fuel Cell cars. That race could be the most important race in history.
@TheRenaissanceGuys 2 роки тому
This new class sounds great. Like F1 was more fun back in the day when the cars looked radically different.
@cowpker4life333 2 роки тому
Not really. Its just going be a faster gt3/gte class that looks different expect be as small of a grid as lmp1 for first 3 or 4 years at least. There was handful that pulled out as the rules changed 2 or 3 times+ over past 3 years. It was a great idea but turned into a joke compared to what it should of been.
@TheRenaissanceGuys 2 роки тому
@@cowpker4life333 Oh, what a bummer.
@cowpker4life333 2 роки тому
@@TheRenaissanceGuys yeah. They are slower then lmp2 in a straight but faster in corners more or less if remember and limited to 700hp or something lol. So no sena Valkyrie etc.
@JA96 2 роки тому
Cool video! Can’t wait to see what other manufacturers bring to the table in the near future LMH wise! Thanks for sharing my footage, if you ever want any more footage in future let me know 👌🏼❤️
@kstricl 2 роки тому
Watched this video, then jumped onto the Le Mans live stream just in time to see Franko Colapinto do a nice save after locking brakes up.
@dakotaemata8 2 роки тому
What I wonder about is that similar to the new F1 regulations being about allowing closer following for other cars, does this open up the 9X8 to being more closely followed than other cars on the grid and therefore opening it up to more overtaking opportunities. I'm no aerodynamicist so it's possible this also works in reverse where the 9X8 is also less effected by dirty air and therefore able to follow cars throwing out dirty air more closely but that's what I wonder about.
@KillCamEditoR 2 роки тому
It depends at which the air is directed coming off the diffuser. You could be right, or it could be the opposite. No way of knowing without the model.
@oliverizzard8751 2 роки тому
You've basically managed to say almost nothing for 95% of the video... well done.
@dado380 2 роки тому
Pug crazy as always and I love it!!
@wharg7468 4 місяці тому
J'en savais rien .. félicitation Peugeot, quelle beauté ! :D
@arlindosilva2557 2 роки тому
My main concern is that all projects in the past that explored the concept of low rear wing or no rear wing at all (Lotus 80, Arrows A3, Lotus 86 and 88 and Ligier JS19) and relied on huge venturis underneath the car failed by the porpoising effect.
@kasuraga 10 місяців тому
I think this one is trying to mitigate that problem by having the suction force be as close to the center of the car as possible. That way when the level of suction changes, the entire car experiences a change in load, and not just one axle
@cl4589 2 роки тому
0:19 I laughed so hard on that one 😁
@thomasgoodwin2648 2 роки тому
Will be interesting to see the df dropoffs under braking in comparison. Also seems to me that adverse weather (rain) will affect an underbody df car more than the traditional package, but I could be 100% wrong on that.
@user-mw1qb5kd9l 2 роки тому
That Peugeot looks nuts!! Really want to see it in the racetrack
@dreadnoughtprime6301 2 роки тому
The FIA is just what happens when a bunch of control freaks manage to get in charge of racing.
@massterwushu9699 2 роки тому
This describes every governing body. Especially the ones starting with F. Anyone seen these awful looking halo on the new F1 car… thats the maFIA for you.
@Squidgy55 2 роки тому
@@massterwushu9699 The halo is for driver safety but yeah, the FIA are corrupt as fuck. They might as well be the CIA with their crafty rules and regulations.
@gontran8638 2 роки тому
@@massterwushu9699 without Halo there is no more Leclerc, Grosjean and a lot of other drivers. yes the fia are a bunch of assholes but this rule is a good one (amongst a sea of really bad ones)
@cesardepena7498 2 роки тому
@@gontran8638 yeah, but if I were to changed the halo instantly the indycar halo would be applied, and even then the normal halos look cool on the cars, especially on how teams modified them for more safety or aero.
@deggis4 2 роки тому
Yeah, much better to bend over infront of manufacturers like WEC/Le Mans organizer ACO did and the result the most restrictive and anti-engineering ruleset WEC/Le Mans has ever had.
@tis_ace 2 роки тому
Im saying that this is unsportsmanlike conduct, but you would want to use over body aero due to the fact it disrupts the airflow so the trailing car doesn't have enough downforce to keep up in the corners, so the straight is the only place the trailing car can make a overtake successfully.
@Timberwolf69 2 роки тому
Well, with a limitation in the drag coefficient to 0.1, that wouldn't matter that much. A diffuser also creates dirty air. And those fins rising at the back... The tips of them produce some nice vortices.
@tis_ace 2 роки тому
@@Timberwolf69 just saying since the limit is easy to reach, might as well have a invisible barrier which slows down your competitors. have a even more optimised car and add some hidiousness in just a perfect way to ruin the airflow for others to use.
@Timberwolf69 2 роки тому
@@tis_ace The amount of airflow ruined for others to use is usually referred to as "drag coefficient". It is usually created by these vortices trailing from edges and tips of your vehicle's body.
@vincentbaelde-millar670 2 роки тому
These new rules are exciting and I love the looks of these new cars.
@leofonti33 Рік тому
great video, thank you!
@Countryboy-cn1ob 2 роки тому
I suppose the disadvantage of placing so much reliance on underbody aerodynamics is they change considerably as the suspension bounces up and down. Oh well...we'll see :)
@oldtimegames96 2 роки тому
Well, there is a solution to that as well, dunno if it is legal in LMH. Check out tuned mass dampers in F1, and FRIC suspension systems
@blankfiile 2 роки тому
@@oldtimegames96 its not legal, even fric isnt under hypercar. They do have 3rd damper springs to make a stable aero platform
@croweater6814 Рік тому
I don't see why you wouldn't mount the underbody directly to the wheels. And have the main body float on-top. That would give the downforce all power to grip and completely negate suspension issues.
@moslem3906 2 роки тому
No cap ... this is literally the most beautiful car I have ever seen ... by far my favourite looking car to ever exist
@willb3486 2 роки тому
No cap sick bro, fam fam
@Capt_N3mo 2 роки тому
I came here to say exactly this. It made every other car out there look old instantly. It's like the halo in F1, the cars from previous seasons just look weird now.
@15DEAN1995 2 роки тому
The glickenhaus, bugatti and peugeot are all amazing looking cars. The toyota is like a legacy car running among the new models and shows the gauge difference between lmp1 and lmh. I can't wait to see what ferrari comes up with and to see who else joins the series.
@privatesecurityafrica4129 2 роки тому
What a machine! Brutal....
@StreetComp 11 місяців тому
Peugeot has struggled mightily with this car as of May’23. Would anyone really be surprised that a rear wing is a big help?
@reinhardtsanchez7952 2 роки тому
No rear wing? Where am I gonna put my tea set after my 3 PM racing session?
@Timberwolf69 2 роки тому
There is that area at the back, right above the diffuser... Mayne you could find a place there. Might be even more convenient, height-wise. Unless you're 7 feet tall...
@rafaelceottomusic6918 2 роки тому
the 9X8 is gorgeous!
@joeljeffcoat6241 Рік тому
I’m enjoying the resurgence of the rear vertical fin in recent years. I first saw this concept in D Jags in the 50’s. Must have been a good idea, huh?
@flayerrr7730 11 місяців тому
We now know it doesn’t really work
@flaviomonteiro1414 11 місяців тому
I'd love to see that creativity in the F1. I think it could give the small teams a edge. What do you guys think?
@SeedemFeedemRobots 2 роки тому
the air intake crest over the drivers compartment makes it look a centurion's helmet which is cool
@papayesaperlipopete8213 2 роки тому
Nice video 👍
@samuelgt2811 Місяць тому
Anyone here today after Peugeot put a wing on the 9X8?
@sammywright9965 2 роки тому
I've said for years that this is how rules should be written. I hope f1 can learn from this
@aesma2522 2 роки тому
We'll see if it works, though. The problem with F1 is they want to reduce costs, so if you allow such freedoms, and no way to radically change cars during the season or even for several seasons, there is a big risk someone will find something and will dominate. It already happens with the current rules.
@sammywright9965 2 роки тому
@@aesma2522 yeah I fully understand what you're saying. However, not all innovation even costs that much. Sometimes it's a simple light bulb moment and we think "such a simple solution". Smaller fuel tanks to reduce weight for example (I know refuelling is banned in f1 but at the time it was an innovation that cost relatively little). I also have another rule that might be quite controversial. But if a team does find something that helps them get ahead then I think the onus should be on f1 to find this advantage. Once found I don't think it should be banned. I think the intellectual property should be shared among the other teams to see if they can either copy or come up with their own solution. This doesn't reduce manufacturing costs but it does potentially reduce R&D costs. The possible drawback is a lot of "samey" cars as they all share information but their will be still be differences as they look for the advantage. Also, it still won't be a spec series so there is still freedom
@accubond3004 2 роки тому
Never been a huge fan of the wings on the right car like these they look great, but this new look is so much better IMO
@christianhorner001 2 роки тому
Nice video Nigel 👍
@FrenchyJr 2 роки тому
It’s liek when you lose your rear wing in a game and it makes the car look better
@oldtimegames96 2 роки тому
XD true, but in this case the car does not even need a rear wing to function to maximum limits.
@Hamisxa 2 роки тому
Cant wait for 5 years into the future when we have 10 manufacturers competing in this class. Literally billions poured to just win LeMans. That's what I want to see.
@yigithan3713 2 роки тому
another great video
@voodoochild7232 2 роки тому
i think this will be great for motorsports giving freedom of design to teams and actually having a clear winner in the straights and corners. f1 cars obviously vary in handling ability but they dont look it, these new "bulky" hypercars are gonna duke it out in a big way and i cant wait to watch
@ayoub_mhenni 2 роки тому
I was surprised when peugeot introduced this new design
@asymsolutions 2 роки тому
I wasn't teams have been playing with this for decades, they still will have to overcome the same issues ground effect based cars have always done so I am not very hopeful this will be a successful design. Track surface including water is going to have a heavier effect on downforce than a high drag overbody design.
@JoJoDo 2 роки тому
You should've uploaded it a minute earlier, then I can see the start of the race...
@michaelhall736 Рік тому
When I first saw this car I thought it was one of those cars where the wing pops up while gaining speed. Those are so cool.
@montikore 2 роки тому
The engineering going into these cars is absolutely astounding. It's amazing how the technology has evolved in the last 30 years.
@DapperHesher 2 роки тому
Except if you go back to 30 years, the aero numbers were far better.
@ValentineC137 2 роки тому
Here’s hoping “4-stroke petrol engine” allows for rotaries so we can get a Mazda 797
@fluppy4202 2 роки тому
What are we doing here? Go watch Le Mans
@Kraven83 2 роки тому
You're right!
@sirhorse711 2 роки тому
Where do we go to watch?
@Kraven83 2 роки тому
@@sirhorse711 Eurosport in Europe and MotorTrend in the USA
@fluppy4202 2 роки тому
@@sirhorse711 I have a VPN and watch it in french from a french TV thing. You might be able to get a VPN, do the same and ask for a refund after the end of the race.
@sirhorse711 2 роки тому
Oh ok thx guys
@realdamageboy 2 роки тому
Yes, You did it! no more dirty air!
@rastafari8459 2 роки тому
One of the more unorthodox approaches by a race team in recent times which is refreshing to see. Definitely has a striking look to it but the head & tail lights seem a bit too exaggerated. Also the top rear bodywork is kicked up quite significantly so I think there will still be some decent over body downforce. Enough to balance the car at least.
@sebbe_as7333 2 роки тому
I am a simple man, I see Driver61 notification, I click
@JT-he7fw 2 роки тому
Dear FIA, Please stop regulating these cars. We want innovation. Especially drag which helps customers long term in efficiency.
@amjan 2 роки тому
blah blah blah. What customers?!? Nobody is buying racing cars to go to work.
@Madrat-tw2in 2 роки тому
@@amjan your wrong just look at the orecas there isn't a factory team, teams buy from oreca directly making them a customer for oreca.
@Timberwolf69 2 роки тому
@@Madrat-tw2in I think there is a misunderstanding what kind of customers we are talking about... Joe Average buying a new SUV or a race team buying parts from other manufacturers? There are possibly even more ways to distinct customers, but these are the most obvious.
@Madrat-tw2in 2 роки тому
@@Timberwolf69 yeah race teams are still considered "customers" to the car companies, they are buying a product from a company in the end of the day
@JT-he7fw 2 роки тому
By customers I meant normal people. CVTs were F1 tech and now they are more common. Turbo chargers are much better today than in the past. ERS is pretty good on electric cars today. Most of this tech was in racing at some point which drove the extremes of innovation.
@macedhx 11 місяців тому
French do weird stuff, love them or hate them is fantastic to see them at work!
@alouisschafer7212 2 роки тому
Bro im HYPED AF about the new direction Le Mans is heading. Now please also open up F1 regs
@wontonii232 11 місяців тому
Well this video aged poorly 🤣
@chumleyk 10 місяців тому
Didn't work...
@mintgoldheart6126 8 місяців тому
Looking back at Monza, maybe it did work.
@antoondevries6646 2 роки тому
So how is this adjustable then? And i’m wondering how this will function in the wet. Is over body downforce then more effective? It looks more like a limitation then a pluspoint other than that it looks better and gives us something to talk about.
@tomislavsekerija1957TN 2 роки тому
finally some english speaker don't call it PEW JOE, you sir deserve a sub
@theheroweneededbutdidntdeserve 2 роки тому
I like the little decal "we didn't want a rear wing"
@gabriel76676 2 роки тому
Great video.
@reilandeubank 2 роки тому
Sounds like it’ll be easier to follow them than other Hypercars so while the car may be just as fast it could help the cars trying to pass
@MASAo7 2 роки тому
Exactly what I was thinking. It's a cool concept which may actually end up disadvantaging them.
@1RacerXer 2 роки тому
Cant wait for the new IMSA and WEC seasons!
@Dispariabooks 2 роки тому
Would most of the aero bits on the underbody mean the car could become more unsettled/unstable when hitting kerbs or bumps? I'm wondering what the pros and cons would be for downforce generated above or below over uneven surfaces.
@Sharpened_Spoon 11 місяців тому
Would be interesting to have gone over the trade offs between wing and wingless designs and how it would change the dynamic of racing between them. Creates less turbulence but is faster (less drag) and so affects aero of a chasing car less, but pulls away more at high speeds? Is affected less by wash when chasing but still benefits from slip?
@g0d182 2 роки тому
Excellent.
@mrragge7986 Рік тому
I love how his example of a lemans car without a rear wing is a car that lost it in a crash
@derblaue 2 роки тому
Let's see if it's an advantage or a disadvantage for Pueogt. Litle dependance on overbody downforce will probably reduce the effects of dirty air for the Pueogot but also following cars.
@etiennedud Рік тому
As a french I can say your pronunciation of peugeot will always be funny
@flavortown3781 2 роки тому
It sorta has a rear downforce creation element. It's rear deck is a pretty huge spoiler and seems to make use of laminar flow body topography to keep the air moving across that rear deck to make big downforce
@sweaspurdoddd5466 2 роки тому
That peugeot looks gorgeous
@user-wm1dj2mp8q 6 годин тому
3:41“We didn’t want a rear wing”😂😂😂😂😂😂
@DeeSeaAreEss 2 роки тому
Brilliant design. If this generates less turbulent air than the winged designs, will this make it easier to follow then pass? Does this put them at a disadvantage?
@augustinlebayon2920 Рік тому
Lmh looks so entertaining
@valentincoste8612 2 роки тому
Splendid! Now if they hit a curb and damage the under of the car, they won't have any downforce at all
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