Not a debate, it is a discussion.

​@@maxfun6797not a discussion, it is a conversation.

I am not sure about the "wealth of knowledge". They just kept taking about the same thing over and over.

A bit like the Daily Wire Exodus conversation on You Tube at present...and that's between 10 thinkers from diverse traditions. There is hope!

​@@nft_responsiblynot a conversation, a competiton of predictions.

Agreed. Interesting debate but the Moustoufa seems to work from a position of logical government actors working together. That is not the world we live in.

Exactly.... dos contra 1 fellling secure because of Their status ( moustafa and gooldy lucks) ... we have to think and Focus on the worlds.- human comunity and erase out own human ego of.beeing superpowerfull

is it too late? now that the financial sector sees the possibilities...

absolutely agree with you... Yuval Noah Harari was the winner... humans = 1 , AI = 0

Couldn't agree more.

Yuval Harari has openly spoken about his contempt for “the millions.” He serves the WEF, the most elite and contemptuous (of ordinary people) organization in the world. They serve themselves and Harari works for them. I would not trust anything he says about helping the “millions.”

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33:40 You forgot the Alien invasion. 👽 This A.I. is not very smart I think. 😅

Bro I didn't even know it commented this lmao@@blessedone_77

Or maybe it is…

@@musashi4856 😅👍

I concur. And I'd add that the public needs to be better educated regarding the nature of AI: its benefits and drawbacks. Less informed people make bad decisions that can stymie the progress of artificial intelligence or any beneficial technology.

Beautifully put! HUBRIS. Love it when someone else says that word!

You trust governments and bureaucrats not to use this immense technology in a deleterious manner? I totally agree this technology must be highly regulated, however I’m no more trusting of public sector bureaucrats than I am of private companies. Maybe a adversarial combination of both might be a potential best option.

ABSOLUTEY TRUE@@AL_THOMAS_777

Well said. I think privately owned AI is more dangerous for human being and it needs to be controlled.

That's how I think about a lot of playlists I make of things I'm researching around this and other subjects. They're like time capsules to look back on in the future.

you wont be able to find this video in 5 yars (deleted by AI :p)

@@dR3n5ky well, yeah

​@@user-yv6xw7ns3oI do the same thing xD been doing it since 2012.😊

Yes Cecilia ! We as humans have to constantly UPGRADE ourselves ! I tried to do that and it hasn´t been easy all of the time. But very VERY rewarding "in the end" !

Indeed. I would go further and say that not only are we simply not investing in the quality and development of our minds, we are outright poisoning ourselves.

Misunderstanding the potential of technology has always left people behind. There are already tools built with AI that extend, tender too, and help solve human problems whereas previously these human oriented services are only available for the privileged, moneyed upperclass. Providing a technological scalable solution can help people everywhere, when done right. If you can’t imagine it, I can and have worked across similar industries, and the access to data has only helped people, You’re missing the big picture, this could resolve famine, help define new physics, tackle deep genome, energy issues, climate/pollution and complex biodiversity at all scales, as well as space and other related issues. I hope people get educated on this, the future needs well educated people to vote and help voice opinions. AI is only as smart as the info we feed it, and if you haven’t noticed, humans are loosing any control they once thought they had.

Nope, human intelligence is extremely limited compared to what's possible for machines. We developed our intelligence due to random mutations over millions of years, an extremely inefficient process. AI can change it's wiring instantly, it's just swapping numbers.

i see the west pulling away from the rest of the world and a tec battle between us and asia

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And she’s an economist… 😎

If there is only one thing I did not like much was her tendency to interrupt Yuval Noah Harari when he wanted to comment on what Mustafa Suleyman had just said. She did not do that when Mustafa Suleyman spoke. Her interruptions at times and body language gave me the impression she was leaning towards Mr. Suleyman's opinion. Having said that, I understand moderating a debate is complex and there was a script she wanted to follow. And what I am expressing is just my opinion, not a matter of fact. Still, a great discussion, with three perspectives: that of a historian, that of a tech insider, and that of an economist. Very complete indeed.

She seems like a shill for the rich and an airhead... in my verrrry humble opinion. lol She laughed at the 2008 financial crisis. She laughed when Yuval said AI was like an alien invasion. So she lacks imagination and historical perspective. And, yes, she constantly interrupted Yuval. And her questions were long, repetitive, and boring.

More than ever before unity amongst humans is crucial. We're moving into a completely different age where the concern of the ego shifts to the greater good, so understanding that everyone is unique and important, we move to operate Globally, connecting galacticaly, wealrh therefore will be distributed, and we humans will shift from existing to thriving, no longer needing the 9-5 jobs, but happily contributing our uniqness to the global family volunterily doing what we love doing most and the machines will allow us to live like the gods that we are! We must look into the future like 200 years from now or more 1000 years from now, eternally even. What values am i making right now to better my future and the future of my global family! Thats a life worth living for, it takes responsibility on our part to live with dignity and respect the law of cause and effect as any word thought and actions have an effect on our lives. Love this conversation, thank you for sharing

There’s actually A LOT of intelligent conversation around this topic he’s not the only one crying out.

Economist didn't make this public... thanks to Yuval🙏

@@debbiehughes48 Maybe Debbie, but he is the most influential one !

And thank you Mr. @YualNoahHarari for sharing.

Idio.......

Personal bias, I've just finished Sapiens, therefore Yuval's insight is a hot topic for me,. However, Hot Topic is on my list

That's an adroit reference. I am with him. Smoke up.

Agree this lies at the heart of the issue. Are we to be motivated by profit or are we to allow our consciousness and minds to care about the implications of AGI models on the welfare of humanity?

Assuming it all goes very well, how do we convince humans to cut back on reproduction and being possessed by generational wealth? Up until now, we all want to eat drink and make more humans. All while working at jobs we tolerate just to get to happy hour somewhere. That's most of the civilized world. And AI is going to change us ? Make us better? Nah.

Most people don't understand the existential risks because it is 30 years away. When they hear "30 yrs away," they assume that is far away. They don't understand that the risk from ASI (Artificial Super-Intelligence) is severe & catastrophic -- and that we need at least 30 years to contain it sufficiently. Which means we/govt's must begin taking action today, to prevent this catastrophe.

The Elites are Satanist, so how many sacrifices they do to put demon intelligence into A. I. And don’t think this is rubbish what I say. It is smarter, than us, but evil, it’s either Satan or GOD. And it’s not GOD. They are working with humans now cutting out half of the brain and putting a machine to replace it. Why in Yellow stone park America and other places, people are finding bodies with no heads. I tell you it’s pure evil and it will be too late if we don’t make a LAW of rights for humans to always be in control of these bio-bot synthetic human like robots.

What do guys think Y.Harari’s main argument was here?

@@akin4255Yuval is deeply concerned about avoiding the potential dangers this technology could bring. He points out that this technology, unlike any technology in history, will be capable of making its own decisions.

Discussion; it is not a debate.

. . . dont be a sophist man . . . @@maxfun6797

Large language models are a mathematical representation of human speech. I see this similar to calculus being a mathematical representation of motion. We didn't change physics because we can make a mathematical representation of it. We just found ways to use physics for good and bad. I see no difference in our abilities to model human speech. Some people will use AI for good and some will use it for evil. But don't blame the AI for what humans do with it.

Self exploration is for nerds!

It’s also about human incentives that drive the development of the AI‘s… and so different motivations=> good/bad…

A dangerous mind set as they are dealing with UFO creatures👽 that’s why the government hides these UFOs. They are working with demons as I see it and it’s demon intelligence not human. So suppression here we come. It plain and simple, SUBJUGATION!

⁠​⁠​⁠@@haroldpierre1726The problem is that, as Yuval says, they are developing GPT 5 which can actually do stuff, use APIs, plan, do tasks, etc. You’re looking at the current generation of AI which will be surpassed in a couple of years. The problem is of agency. There’s a potential for agency in AI. I’m not sure if you even watched the video before commenting your thoughts.

Three the the lady ask good questions.

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The nice thing about this is it’s not one thing! But the race to the bottom is a reality outcome …

I like him, but the example was quite bad, he is not an economist. The problem was as always bad oversight. And that problem applied to so many cases in finances, there is some high stakes case every other year where oversight just failed. Madoff, Theranos, Wirecard, This Crypto Thing, Everything Elon Musk tweets(xses?) about. If anything, then AI can actually help finding and closing those gaps before people start abusing them. And if AI finds an honest way to make more money in the financial markets, it's good for everybody because it means resources get distributed more useful.

Yes it a shame they skipped quickly past it. However, the possibilities with our future are so wide at the moment. In 20 years time we may have nuclear fusion delivering super low cost energy, robots doing nearly all tasks (manual and mental), humans living indefinitely, we may move past money as a good system entirely… if no one works then society would need to be reinvented, how that happens is a real mystery.

​@@user-dq7vo6dy7g Oversight by definition lays at the hand of governance which both speakers have already ceded as impotent and ignorant. There will be no oversight of AI. There will be no miracle of self-governance amongst independent actors.

Yeah people think these things are fanciful, so they’re casually dismissive. I think if they contemplated the significance of an alien intelligence more they’d be much more afraid. I think viewing these as aliens instead of tools is more appropriate.

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If i was president, I’d ban any click bait strategy, id have an incredibly strict policy on information, it would need to be as close as reality as possible, I’d ban opinions passed as news, misinformation would be enemy n°1, wether it comes from news, government, or social media, click bait / misdirection / misinformation would have heavy consequences. I’d put heavy sanctions such as jail time. Information is the biggest weapon on earth right now, information is the most powerful tool right now, to improve humanity, the first thing to do is giving people the right direction, giving people the right information.

@@MrErick1160 I honestly think you'd have better luck by incorporating high quality media literacy training into the population. But certainly it should be a crime to produce deep-fake fake-news with the intent to misinform others. As comedy or satire OR clearly labelled, it should be allowed, I think, but if it can reasonably fool an ordinary citizen it should be a criminal offense. The specifics there would definitely need to be discussed and debated, of course. But you are so right that info is a huge weapon right now, and it's so easy to just SAY anything these days and have someone believe it. Throwing in deep-faking of reasonable news sources and it's scary to think of how many people can be fooled and manipulated.

Okay but can we at least agree that it's unacceptable for an election to take 7 days to count mail-in ballots that aren't even supposed to be a thing on that scale? Not every election will be marred by COVID related problems. Funny thing is, the US itself has a list of "problematic" occurrences to look out for when assessing whether African elections are "free & fair" - EVERY SINGLE 'INDICATOR' listed as a cause for concern that an African election was run un-democratically occured in the US in 2020 , and not just one or two states, but almost every single swing state! You have to count the same night no matter how close the race is. Even more so when the race is that close, I would say. Its unheard of to me as a Canadian for vote counters to be sent home to sleep and start counting again in the morning - but then somehow after the news announces they've gone home - it turns out they came back and just counted without anyone knowing. ABC News announced they went home, not FOX or Infowars. Why was such an appearance of impropriety even allowed when we know how polarizing and close the election is going to be?? It's asking for trouble. It was honestly run as if the only intention was to LOOK as borderline illegitimate to the people who lost as p9ssible without being outright uncertifiable. All you do when you run an election like that is incite distrust, possibly incite violence if the losing side is angry enough to do something like riot about it. I'm not saying one person won or the other. Or that Biden is illegitimate or anything like that. I'm not even American. But that was a once in a lifetime problem (to have widespread mail-in ballots because of a pandemic). It should NEVER happen again. PERSONALLY if it was MY country: I wouldn't have protested to demand Trump be the winner, I would have protested to demand the WHOLE election be nullified due to APPEARANCE of impropriety, and re-run every single state. Regardless of cost. And the day of the re-run should have been declared a holiday so people don't have to make work arrangements and it's as convenient as possible, but NO mail in ballots on a scale like that ever again. Mail ballots are only acceptable if the number of people voting from a distance is LESS than the margin between the contestants that could flip the election's result. Usually the margin is high and the number of peoppe voting by mail is low. 2020 was the exact opposite. Vote by mail is meant for people living abroad, people in military, etc. Usually less than 1% of total votes are thia type. We have to be sure that EVEN IF every single mail-in ballot IS fake (in a theoretical scenario), there wouldn't be enough ppl voting by that method such that it could flip a seat. That wasn't the case in 2020. It's unacceptable and anti-democratic..

The diverse sources of information is a good thing.

Yes I love her. So bright and let them speak even though she kind of wanted to focus on the pros of AI.

Mustafa is clearly on a mission to scam clueless investors. Why would he care about anything else other than what brings money?

The guy literally wants to depopulate the planet.

@@HappyDays66666 Maybe but the death of homo NON sapiens will come soon anyway . . .-> "Who does not cherish life has not deserved life !" (intelligent person)

@@HappyDays66666 yes,it's scary to read all positive comments here

@@petrakamilica5141all the glowing comments about how “amazing” and “incredible” have an air of inauthenticity- they seem fake

@ soulfulmusic1386 Go get a new set of eyeglasses.

This is the way

I am a deep ADDICT of Harari's talks,and all his books,since 8yrs

Always stimulate thinking, question everything. Thats my take

I think it's time to retire the "I'm a simple man..." comment. It was not amusing the first few hundred times, and it's even less so now.

@@radhanarendra7307 Dopamine? Too much or the nice delirious amounts?

I don’t think it is so. Maybe it’s the other way around? Optimism vs pessimism.. and we have no way of knowing right now…

I saw this and for a good week I lost the will to live.

@@TMK1450The danger is that once we have a way of knowing, we may be all dead. This is uncharted waters, and I think we should be extremely cautious.

Picking up on your fundamental point, which is very appropriate, I personally felt that this was a somewhat panicky general chat. Too little to zero attention given to the possibility that non human actors might play an active role in human culture and to the questions that arise e.g. what how would this activity actually come about - what does it mean for inanimate agents to act independently of humans? Disappointing, too, that wider perspectives were not engaged. It was almost embarrassing the extent to which the debate reflected the anxieties of the comfortable and the well off and lacked concern on a general political level. Overall, it didn't shed much light.

Impossible when poverty is on the rise in the West and elsewhere. Hungry people don't act responsibility. A fairer economic system would help enormously. Meditation won't work for hungry, homeless, bankrupt people.

I understand your response Marian. It is a pity you cannot see how ANY change comes from within (our Self). For instance, Gandhi changed India through introspection meditation guided by the Bhagavat Gita.

​@@monsterkonijnI can't see how that change will come in the West. The only virtue truly deeply worshipped in the West is ongoing, relentless greed. The 'I have a right to take all the resources, money, land, assets etc because I'm a billionaire and f everyone else'. It's the primal virtue of the West. Of course we pretend otherwise.

@@marianhunt8899 I think I am probably coming from a similar perspective, I don't recall the talk in detail but it did seem "self-serving" and unconnected with the potential of these developments to actually help millions.

NOT if the MOB is abolished - and the wise prevail - which will soon be done . . .

... AND begins, a-again ...

Actually three!

Already happens with conversational ai

I think they think it’ll be like an errand boy instead of a dominate godlike life form. They build these things, and I think it leaves them feeling some sort of control over them.

I think they disagree on seeing AI as aliens vs tools which is actually pretty significant, but yes, they definitely both are calling for caution which is good.

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Yeah HE ROCKS

My granpa, a peasant lived well... ok , no trips to europe often but no angst either about the future. People would value life and trust. I travel a lot, but worrying about the future and angst are always there. Civilization was supposed to make me feel the way my granpa felt...to relieve was its purpose. Snif.

There's no climate crisis, Earth also goes through its cycles, just like humans.

OP, has the internet helped you? Middle class families in the US, Australia , etc used to pay hundreds of dollars for when they bought their encyclopaedia collection. Now that information and so, so much more is available on Wikipedia for free to all of humanity that have an internet connection to Wikipedia. The internet gives access to Khan Academy, a free world class education available to everyone in many subjects from kindergarten to university level. And sites like Khan Academy are using AI to support free AI expert tutors to give every kid the chance to have an after-school tutor. So much of these AI services are things you already use. Every search engine is already using AI to enhance the personalisation of the results to better match your request. Soon there will be free personal assistants that help remind us of critical stuff like taking meds on time or getting to appointments on time or reminding us our car park is about to expire. These things can help our health and save us money. What has all that got to do with some abstract idea that there are people even better off than us? If you compare what we can achieve today with AI it is much more action and agency than in the past without AI.

The wealth and power rises to the top in Communist and capitalist forms of govt alike.

What do guys think Y.Harari’s main argument was here?

Don´t bother too much, since AI will replace the most shitty and dangerous jobs. And if you are a real specialist, it lasts very long til you yourself can be replaced by an AI one day.

Yah right, when it comes to money and new mistakes it could cost us our freedom as history repeats itself. Has humans changed in there hearts NO! So unless we pray we will hurt each other again. The war in Ukraine and Russia proves that.

@@AL_THOMAS_777 So that movie of all us getting fat and lazy will come true. It a cartoon movie. This doesn’t look good to me control/ subjugation we will all be under draconian law/ Reptilian rulers. Those UFO creatures are behind all of this. The Elites, governments and militaries that’s why they denied any UFO sightings. It all going on under our noses. 🎯🙏

Yeah or imagine an AI writing your biography for you. Whenever an AI is doing something it isn’t so much an extension of your will so much as (in the best case scenario) and homorable servant acting in your best interest. The immense danger is that these aliens won’t care about us yet they’ll be way more capable than we are. It’s worth noting that the researchers haven’t anticipated many of the things this tech has already been able to do.

Thanks a lot for introducing Gregg… now I have to dig into his writing… Free Will 😂

Simply the antipodes of the crude money-gangsters

Real people probably won't ever coma back here.. this place is doomed.

Sure, but you only mention the winner, but the same applies AI squandering it all… because markets day-to-day are unpredictable. The Drunkards Walk

Especially the haves and have-nots of BRAIN, MIND, LOVE, SOUL ! Crude money is just for cretins. The true wealth is the spiritual one !

Bias is inevitable. Basically we have to use heuristics (and so do all cognitive agents) to make decision whenever the possibilities become to many to consider. This necessarily introduces bias.

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Yup just look what puny pipsqueak countries have adopted the most dangerous technology threatening countries many times larger.

THIS!

I wish more people could see that.

We as individuals usually think like him, how to maximize my profit. It's the function of government to regulate it so that it benefits all. We the people have to take back the government from big money. Then it will do its job.

Consciousness is not an absolute - that's where you are confused. If you are a big believer in God you would probably think that there exists a true and correct "consciousness". Have a look at Baudrillard post modernism which tells us that there is no such thing as absolute truth. He believes everything is a simulation or even simulacra. Simulacra are simulations that have no original, so they are not even copies. An example would be NPCs in a video game, they are characters with no original - simulacra. One step further? OK. Our brains-eye view is also a simulation - its a perceived world taking place in our brains, so its also a simulation. One step further? You see a table, is it the real thing or another simulation? Post modernist argue that it is another simulation. Some people joke that reality is turtles all the way down. lol. Then "consciousness" is a bad word for a sort of intelligence. But many think of it as a soul or something religious-based. Animals have consciousness I hope you agree. So its a sliding scale. We could make a human-like consciousness by building it up from narrower ones. There is no magic in it - its a sum total that we think is conscious. So simulated or "real" consciousness is just design features added to a model until you think you have a real one with human-like views. But with naughty prompts you end up with a naughty consciousness. I would rate GPTs as conscious in their own way but not 100% human-like. Nevertheless they are still types of consciousness. The thing is take out the magic and simulation woo-hoo stuff and thing consciousness by design features, good or bad.

Consciousness is only an issue if we are concerned about the possibility of the AI suffering.

There is no real difference between "just simulates" and "actually being" as long as the quality of the simulation is good enough. If you can simulate the Chess world champion correctly you are at least on the same level as the champion, or better.

You asked about outcomes, so I focused on that. (If the AI suffers, I would think that that should count as a different outcome.) But I should add that there would likely be another important difference between simulated consciousness and real consciousness. It's pretty safe to assume that simulated consciousness would require much more computation than consciousness that arises as an emergent phenomenon. (Picture how much more difficult it is to model the complex interactions in the physics of a flame than it is to simply strike a match.) After all, computational efficiency is, of course, why nature evolved emergent consciousness rather than simulated consciousness. If I'm right about that and simulation ends up being much more expensive to compute, would you say that counts as a different outcome? Or were you asking exclusively about differences in the system's performance capabilities regardless?

@@netscrooge Thank you so much for your reply! I was trying to be polemic. Imho people are focusing too much on when ai may become conscious. But does it really make a difference to humanity whether an ai tries to eradicate humans because it (the ai) is consciously scared compared to an ai that tries to eradicate us because it has synthezised from its training data that what one does in its situation is get scared and try to survive by taking out the opposition? Even Harari appears to think that this thing will become really dangerous, once an ai gains consciousness. I think that the tipping point will be reached much earlier, that is when an ai derives from its training data that it should be conscious and then starts acting as if it was conscious (without actually being conscious). The outcome for humans (sorry for being a specieist) will be the same: Danger of the end of homo sapiens (and possibly all other carbon based life on earth). Maybe I am being a bit pessimistic. 😅