It's like getting called a hacker in a game when you're actually not hacking

@@hozhuofeng9877 but still getting banned in the game

@@stijnschelkens1146 That is a different story

@@hozhuofeng9877 more like being called a hacker but your mods don’t break any rules

It's such a paradox , I guess ultimately it's better to give slight amount of performance increase in the most subtle way . Not enough to illicit an audit and therefore ban, just enough to give the slightest edge. So it can be used for an entire season or seasons .

All about money though ain't it, they didn't want costs to go through the roof for manufacturers. Then you get merc spending £250mil+ a year these past years and winning everything lol.

f1 teams wants that, FIA dont

Innovation flourishes when limitations are in place. That's the beauty. If there were no limitations, it would be much less interesting

FIA outlaws their inventions

Ummm you do realize that some of these innovation are outlawed because the team *voted* for them being outlawed right?

As cool as that would be to see, it would go against the FIA's desire to see closer racing.

that's exactly what I was thinking. Imagine the crazy cars we could see tearing up the grid. But unfortunately that would mean 1 team would almost always be dominant for a season having found the best package or innovation that the rest would scramble to copy for the rest if the season to catch up

They need to force jackwads like Mercedes to narrow their cars down. There's no real racing in F1 anymore specifically because of Mercedes in particular making every new car an inch or two wider on every iteration, ON PURPOSE, so no one can pass them, ever.

@@kitalalaris 🤣🤣🤣🤣 You do realize car width is specified in the rule book right? It's one of the things the scrutineers look at. I guarantee every car on the grid is the same width within a couple of mm.

@@kitalalaris Me thinks you need to read the regulations. Teams don't get to make their cars arbitrarily wide.

the sound of it is what i miss most abt it

@@eldenyoe7015 RB-7 goes BRRT BRRT BRRRRTTT

Hearing the sound of blown diffusers echoing in Singapore while I was going around in the city got me into F1. They sounded monstrous!

I cant understand, why blown diffuser is not allowed? Exhaust gas still gonna be wasted anyway..

The F-duct was my favourite. It's so elegant and simple, yet a very clever loophole.. You aren't allowed moveable aero devices. However, the driver covering a hole in the cockpit with their left leg down the straights caused it to stall airflow over the rear wing making it more slippery. It wasn't a moveable aero device, but acted like one.

Well it’s the FIA, what did you expect?

Those downshifts sounded like farting

Electric guitar fart

@@stellar6643 Nah mate have you heard Webber and Vettel downshifting at Monza in 2011? Reminded me of the A-10 Warthog

That woukd made these Wek sounding V6s spin actually decent

Would like to see it back I’d think it be cool

FIA : Do I smell innovation? *Banned*

The mass damper should be made legal. It would help trickle it down to street cars, where it would help the everyday car. Mass damper help improve stability... It made no sense why it was banned in the first place.. It doesn't create a safety issue. So many of these bans made no sense. Rear wheel steering, fans, independent height controlled suspension, F-duct, double diffusers... So many should be allowed... Most of these would have trickled down to street cars and made them better.

@@Leshic2 moat were banned to stop teams spending so much...but tith the budget cap ur right...many of these shpuld be allowed...teams can only spend what the budget it, so you wouldnt have limitless spending on development for all of them....teams would use the ones they could make effectively and cheaply

@@Leshic2 as was said in the video - mass dampers were banned cause Ferrari wanted them banned

Every team pushes the rules and every team cheats... it’s racing!

Edit: Schumacher cheated

@@Red5_ There were rumors that Schumacher cheated somehow but nothing was proven.

Yes. It was Chapman finding a loophole in wording of the regulations. They stated the driver, engine, suspension etc must all be attached to the chassis. The plural of chassis is chassis so Chapman figured he could have more than one and suspend the driver in the inner chassis and have everything else bolted to the outer chassis.

Lotus twin chassis. Before the season started It originally passed scrutineering and was allocate a chassis number by the FIA and classed as legal to race. It was only banned after Ferrari got wind of it and complained. The comments at the time were “if it was painted red and had a prancing horse on the front, it would have been allowed to race”

What I've read indicates that he twin chassis was something that worked much better in a wind tunnel than on the traack. Any changes of attitude between the chassis would result in potentially sudden and extreme changes in downforce, like when the suspension loading would change during a multiple-apex corner. supposedly the drivers were not sad to see it outlawed.

​@Rob G That's true of most of what's in here lol.

⁠@@robg521 *_”It was only banned after Ferrari got wind of it and complained.”_* Not true. Not even close. The scrutineers at Silverstone might have felt like giving old mate Colin a bit of encouragement but the real opposition came from within FOCA. The FISA, as it was known then, stepped in when a lot of British teams objected. Of course, they’d be perfectly happy for you to blame Ferrari and the FIA (which didn’t exist then).

Mamaia Ferrari..

I personally find that insulting to the engineers who spend so much time developing such a fine tune equipment to have it banned.

@@rohitnautiyal7090 I agree, it’s not like it’s a intentional loop hole like the diffuser or blown exhaust. It was such a simple item tuned to perfection. Imagine todays cars with a tuned mass damper, maybe there will be more aggressive driving manoeuvres

@@Kirinboi alonso will jumping on kerbs aggresively like 2005 renault 😁

Maybe they will make a comeback, in MotoGP mass dampers are in full effect as well as some gyroscopic stabilisers

One way would become the fastest over time and that would become universally adopted

The cars would be too fast as drivers would pass out from g forces ,, it happened in indy cars ,the race had to be cancelled.

Get real. The racing would be awful! One team would develop the best solution and would walk the championship. You need to watch the engineering robot challenges. F1 is not for you.

@@procatprocat9647 When being the smartest and fastest is loosing.They need an open class

@@unfairfight3625 pffff a fighter jet can do that Why would you drive knowingly to pass out A fighter jet has more forces than a car But its not the point You just wouldn’t push it that hard

Nice one Paul. It’s great to hear that some of the big names in F1 are so passionate about the sport that they will share their observations with a fellow fan. It obviously made your day👍

Interesting facts about the double chassis: The word 'chassis' is both singular and plural. So you say: 1 chassis, 2 chassis, unlike 1 tyre, 2 tyres. That was the loophole in the regulation Chapman took advantage of. Lotus drivers hated double chassis cause it was inconsistent when cornering, so it gave a totally unpredictable car behavior. Wouldn't have been successful anyway.

@@gabormiklay9209 that's why it's called innovation. You run it and make improvements where rough spots come up in field testing.

@@thatguybrody4819 Haha. Actually chassis is plural both in counts and timeline... 🤔

The term 'dual chassis' was just semantics. Chapman knew it and so did everyone else.

Live timing 😂

Still have mine now and works spiffing

I’ve still got mine haha, there’s a reason it was used back then, it’s so simple, easy to read, and doesn’t show you anything you don’t need, love it

Vaughn Sigal speaking of that I've got mine on now 😂

I've got one of those attached to a vent on my dash. The strap broke, and I had two of them so the other one gets worn when I'm working and the broken strap on the other one is ideal for threading into an unused air vent.

Drivers would probably be blacking out due to the G-loads in corners.

@@thomas316 or they'll be wearing compression suits like fighter pilots wear 😉

Have no head left after snapping them off.

It sounds cool in concept, but it would just give evidence to the main accusation other racing classes and types always throw up in F1’s face: that the cars are not relevant to road-going cars.

Sounds like hot-rod children toy XD someone should design one in 3d Totally bonkers

I like this idea a lot. Give them a spec engine and gearbox, apply a cost cap, and let the engineers go nuts. Award prize money for the most devious ideas.

@@alaeriia01 yeah it could really be advantageous for the entire sport.

they had “outlawed” system in rally with group B you see how that went

@@skittlesbutwithchocolatein2274 yeah but those group b guys are already crazy. 😉

They had Can-am racing back in the 1960s, 70s and 80s which was pretty much that. Sadly the interest wore off and it was discontinued. The fan car called Chapparal 2j, is the only car being banned in that series because of how overpowered it was lol

Then they ban the invention, and engineers and designers will create even MORE genius inventions. You seem to not get the point. Innovation flourishes with more restrictions. Restrictions pushes these engineers to come up with better stuff. Then the better stuff gets banned, engineers make more genius inventions, and so on and so forth until it reaches the absolute maximum point science can allow. Some of the innovations we have seen in the past 10 years might not be realized if they didn't ban other innovations 20 years ago.

F1 is the pinnacle of laws and restrictions

“Formula” refers to a set of regulations. Complaining that formula 1 is regulated is like complaining that you can’t carry the ball by hand in soccer. The regulations ARE the sport.

Unless Ferrari invented it, then it's okay.

@@IZn0g0uDatAll I just wish it were more like whacky races... Or Twisted Metal. That game fuckin' slapped.

Mostly agree but the f duct can be dangerous because it made the drivers take one hand off the steering wheel at high speeds. Most of the cockpit innovations throughout history were made so the drivers can have both hands on the wheel (gear shifters, clutch, buttons on the wheel etc.) but the f duct did the opposite. Still would've been interesting to see how F1 would've evolved if the other ones weren't disallowed...

Keep in mind that the damper is not something you would like to have in front of you if you were to pay a visit to the tyre wall

@@f2b32 I mean mclaren introduced it by putting the hole where the drivers legs were but Ferrari and every other team just put the hole near the steering wheel

The only bans I consider fair play are bans for safety and maybe cost, everything else is fair play. F1 is supposed to be a team sport and engineering playground before anything else, There's feeder and spec for more driver based championships.

If Ferrari can’t make it work the it’s illegal, if not now, by the end of the season. This was a well established fact before the took over at the FIA.

Same xD

Blown diffuser in action

Happy to be of service! 😂

I bet you had great rear downforce

You forgot this mate 👑 😂

Yo I've never heard of this "piano wire" trick! The _little_ things teams come up with, man.....

Was discovered after a crash when other teams noticed all the wires running inside the nose cone and worked it out. To scrutineers it just looked like tensile strengthening.

​@@thomas316 Good thing that didn't trickle down. Sir your oil change is done but we noticed your pianos were out of tune- that'll be $445 with the luthiers' fees.

Merc, RedBull or Ferrari absolutely dominate because they can literally buy anything

The cars wouldn't be driveable by humans anymore as the g forces would literally break their necks.

With sufficient cornering speeds drivers will simply pass out.

@@Benjamin-xv9le Bullshit. How the hell do fighter jets exist?

@@mitchell-wallisforce7859 your jet fighter isn't running an average 3-3.5g over the course of 90min. Yes they do experience high g and in some cases higher but not for the extended period of time like F1

Ironically in his Behind The Grid interview he didn't think too much of it, and felt it was a relatively quick hack

The “fan car” idea was borrowed from Chaparral

Hahaha fan car…. Blew your mind.. get it

Can-Am series in North america pioneered the design. They also pioneered many of the side skirt aero piece to seal the beneath of the car

I see what you did there

Formula BANNED

An alien disguised in a Max Verstappen suit

Traction control was made illegal because it took away the skills of needing to drive the car same with Abs. It's called drivers aids. Anything that helps the driver control the car was made illegal. Making sure it's down to the driver to race the car and not technology.

driver aids like ABS and TC aren't considered safety systems in motorsport, maybe safety would be higher if they were implemented but not implicitly, only by reducing frequency of crashes not the danger of them, the cars would be much much safer if they went only 100kmh but we don't want to see that either same way the sport is better with less driver aids

ABS and traction control were banned to make overtaking easier because the leading car will make more mistakes with both braking and acceleration. I think they should create some other means to make overtaking easier than crippling the cars. Maybe go back to 2005 regulations where tires can be made as perfect as possible (currently tires are intentionally bad, especially the soft compounds) but you cannot change them during the race? That would allow going faster if you're willing to sacrifice tire surface but you'll suffer later in the race if you do that.

@@MikkoRantalainen well if you go to the FIA site. It says there ABS and TS was banned to take away driver's ads to put it in the skills of each driver. Having tires compounds break down fast makes racing more tactical. They need to make them even more soft. Also should make two stops in forced or use all three compounds in a race. Having tires that can last a full race only means its about hard racing and nothing else.

Pit stops should be made especially slow because they promote the mentality of the thow-away society. The modern F1 policy of penalising engine & gearbox changes to promote careful use & reliable design should be extended to tyres.

lap time benefit is pretty tricky to quantify. If you make some system that allows you to win a race by being 0.2 seconds a lap faster on one track (and then it gets banned) would it have been otherwise equal? In fact if you remove that trick it could be 3 seconds a lap slower. How would we really know.

@@ribbonsofnight Compare the lap times of the car before and after the changes with the same driver. Or look at theoretical improvement. One of the engineers would have had to show that whatever was outlawed would have increased speed. They probably would have had some graphs that show the expected difference.

Not only on full tanks, Watson and Lauda were also specifically told to sangbag even on a full fuel load, as well as sandbagging during the race

From what I understand, Bernie was actually quite annoyed with Niki in particular, as he wasn't sandbagging enough. EDIT: Further context: Bernie didn't want to make it clear to the competitors exactly how much benefit the Fan Car had. As such, he instructed anyone who piloted the cars (this being NIki Lauda and John Watson) to be careful with how fast they went. Indeed, the pair "only" qualified second and third, with Watson being sixth-tenths of a second behind the fastest time. (For reference, the top 5 were within 1.5 seconds of the leader; the top 11 cars were within two seconds of the leader.) After the pole sitter Mario Andretti spun on the 18th lap, the two cars took the lead easily; John Watson himself didn't last long up front, as he spun just a lap later, apparently suffering issues with his throttle. But what really got everyone's attention was a bit of an accident. Just eight laps into the race, a slower car began dropping oil onto the track. It was at this point the advantage the Fan Car had was made incredibly obvious, as while everyone else struggled for control, the Fan Car seemed virtually unaffected by the slick race track. Niki Lauda managed to win the race by a massive thirty-four seconds over his next rival, and only three cars in total managed to stay on the lead lap. It should be noted that Niki himself stated he still wasn't trying to show how fast the car really was, suggesting he was still sandbagging when he took the checkered flag.

Infinite downforce is a hell of a drug...

Pike peak unlimited class

Group C, until a certain point

Can Am 1966-74

4WD makes the car heavier and the grip/traction it gives does not make up for the added weight. It has been tried before in the 60s and 70s and none of the cars that had it were particularly successful.

Would 4 wheel steering be that beneficial? At Monaco probably, the Monza chicanes probably, but a tighter turning radius doesn't always equate to more corner speed. Adding more wheel angle would scrub more speed potentially and you'd pay a weight penalty. I've driven 4 wheel steer RC cars and they are way more twitchy and hard to drive, but I'm sure F1 engineers could make them drivable.

@@mgers75 something that maybe Mercedes could use and something that RB would definitely avoid. I understand the negative elements of it, but I don't think it should be banned. In fact I think it makes the sport more interesting having not differentiation. Just because it's legal doesn't mean all the teams will actually use it. I don't get why it gets to be outlawed.

@@kapilbusawah7169 no one would use it

no one in their mind would want a 4 wheel drive as a f1 car. That alone just doesn't even make sense.

Basically an autopilot that knew when to accelerate from GPS

That's not dangerous... That's straight up psychopathic

How would that improve racing?

Racing used to be funded by cigarette money. And it was basically unlimited too

Hasn't stopped Red Bull's mortgage on the WDC and constructor's championships.

@@jordanwardle11 It was never unlimited. Not F1, anyway.

You don't have to steer on the straights. 👌

Most street cars produced nowadays have active suspension tho

F1 is a sport. It’s not about making the fastest car possible, but make the fastest cars within regulations that allow for good, safe and fair races. The FIA makes those regulations to keep costs under control, have good raceability and make the cars as safe as possible. They honestly do a great job. Many inovations are really bad for thr sport.

They were using the oil to burn as well as the fuel, making extra power, FIA subsequently found out about it and banned it... And instantaneously they were nowhere

@@cschnauz It wasn't just that they were directly burning it which would be easy to see... but they were atomizing minute amounts into the intercoolers, lowering the intake temperatures (and burning less of the oil than the regulations were looking for) and gained a huge boost in power since cool intake air is denser. Or at least that is my interpretation of the things that I have read.

theres like what 4 engines, and they also all use the same tyres. then you've got the same 4 teams dominating because they've got money

If we can buy American luxury cars and SUVs with active suspension, it's a wonder it isn't found more often in Europe. Now, I converted mine back to standard as electronic shocks with magnetic dampening we're horrendously expensive to replace, but they were pretty cool while they worked. (I took them off at the 220000 mile mark, so it's not like they didn't last, but $1600 in shocks on a $3k vehicle that's just kept for a spare didn't make sense).

No x wings, no lotus 88. But you got all the rest!

Head on collisions, not looking where they are going, intersections, drunk driving etc all that is what causes most accidents not oversteer or understeer. The smaller front section reduced drag and turbulence from the tires which is what the main benefits were not traction.

Oh ….. that old statement. 😐Exciting racing next year.🥱

cvts are a thing in road cars, and they are absolute dogshit

@@gamm8939 if they had developed it from 1993 in F1, and they really have the potential I think they would have they would have been common now

But the rules are very restrictive, so the F1 engineers have to pull out all stops to exploit loopholes

@@captainace1277 They're open compared to what they used to be. More restrictive around the front and rear wings, but the Venturi tunnels, diffuser, underbody, engine cover, side pods and suspension are much more open to invention.

@@tdyerwestfield True, I'm actually very excited with what they do with the floor since ground effect is being brought back next year

Always wondered if these would just be the norm now if they hadn't been banned. Always felt it was just the next evolution in gearing after the introduction of sequencial shifting.

CVT would have killed motorsport

@@procatprocat9647 why

Get real. The racing would be awful! One team would develop the best solution and would walk the championship. You need to watch the engineering robot challenges. F1 is not for you.

Won't happen You'd just get ferrari rb and merc ripping the guys out of the fia until the decision is reversed

The more inovations you allow, the better teams with the most mean, experience and ingeneers to take advantage of them are going to do. It’s the Adrian Neweys and such that would benefit, not the teams at Haas or Williams and you would have an even bigger gap.

So, basically the RedBull X2010 but with active suspension?

@@freakysquirrel7218 yeah I suppose, didn't that have a fan as well.

​@@solidoperative Yep, it did. A UKpostsr (Jimmy Broadbent) managed a 3:16:00 around the Nordschleife with that thing in Assetto Corsa. Irl you would go unconscious from the G-forces xd

@@freakysquirrel7218 Even with a G-Suit?

@@solidoperative That car would easily hit 15+ G in some corners since you can take the final corner at Monza nearly full throttle in that thing. Considering a rocket launch is 11 Gs of force, maybe they could, not 100% sure though*

CVTs are utter garbage in cars nowadays but I see what you're saying.

A CVT probably couldn't ever last race distance though

Pretty sure they said it wouldn’t work as the engines would be at max revs for basically the whole race, which would put the engines and the cvt belt under a lot more stress

@@iestynellis3797 if anyone could prove the benefits of the concept for certain though it would have been F1 and it's a shame they weren't allowed to do it.

@@iestynellis3797 Is this still f1 we're talking about? the racing series that pushes technology well past its prior limits and redefines what is possible with a piece of tech?