The Tiny Element that Gained McLaren EXTRA SPEED

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In Formula 1 there is an age-old struggle. Add more wing and you go faster in the corners but slower down the straights - but F1 engineers want both.
And there have been some genius ideas to try and get both upsides. But none as simple and clever as the F-Duct - an innovation by McLaren in 2010.
You may have heard about this before, but today we’re going explain some things about the F duct that you may not know.
McLaren was the centre of attention in 2010 when they turned up to pre-season testing with something no one saw coming.
It was a device known internally as Project RW80 but you probably know it as something else - the F-Duct.
And it was their genius way to go MUCH faster down the straights, without compromising the corners - giving them lap time and overtaking power.
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@benfulford3943 Рік тому

I knew all of this except I had never realised they called it F duct cos it was next to F of Vodafone. Made me laugh though 😆

@andrewdillon7837 Рік тому

Yeah m8 , i thougt it was " F " shaped inside the car ,,good idea though

@kwl189 Рік тому

@@andrewdillon7837 That’s how it was explained for the reasoning behind the name tbh.

@danort17 Рік тому

Same, always thought someone thoight it looked like an F xD

@baksatibi Рік тому

Hope you'll cover the blown diffuser one day, an explainer video like this would be really helpful.

@andrijamitic3434 Рік тому

I never knew the reason the F-duct was banned was safety. I thought it was banned due to the introduction of DRS

@anteplibela Рік тому

banned for safety, influenced the drs

@mister_snoogles9031 Рік тому

Yup, loved the interview with then ferrari team manager steph dom who tried to justify Alonso not holding the wheel at all while going 200 mph down a straight XD

@AndyFromBeaverton Рік тому

I wish they would have banned the sharkfin on grounds that it made the cars look incredibly ugly.

@mister_snoogles9031 Рік тому

@@AndyFromBeaverton am i the only person who liked it? i think they were decent

@bertram-raven Рік тому

It was mostly banned because the "F" in F-duct was not named for being next to the letter f in vodafone. 😜

@Gamertrix117 Рік тому

Back in the days when McLaren innovated, competed and had an effective boss. Love him or hate him Ron got things done.

@gringostarr69 Рік тому

Eventhough it was withmash, Ron was behind the curtains pulling strings.

@kwl189 Рік тому

Yeah I don’t think Ron was always a big problem at Mclaren. He only get into trouble when he had all star driver lineups and couldn’t/wouldn’t control them or favoured one over the other/broke promises to them. The whole slide that Mclaren were under in the mid to late 2000s was partially down to Whitmarsh not adapting well to the new regs, Mclaren facilities becoming outdated and the team rudder less under Jenson Button once LH wanted out. Operationally the team stagnated as well. Ron can only do so much. At Red Bull there’s a lot of key figures doing their bit in the team. Same at Mercedes Benz AMG Petronas. Ron Dennis always seemed to be the only key man at Mclaren.

@byanymeansnecessary9329 Рік тому

@@kwl189 whitlessmarsh, as head of fota, was making decisions that were actively against McLarens interests, like banning kers for 2010 when they clearly had the best system. He was clueless

@kwl189 Рік тому

@@byanymeansnecessary9329 yeah I didn’t like the KERS system that much in terms a reading perspective but it did provide innovation and exploration in terms of energy recovery so whilst I don’t think it added to the racing (Vettel would dick about and start using KERS not during acceleration out of slow corners but on the straights in the upper gears), it certainly is something that would be useful on modern cars given the energy under braking to be explored.

@hope-family Рік тому

That was 10 years ago? Wow, I'm getting old

@cavemanindustries5102 Рік тому

4:00 for me personally I would have had an easier time understanding if you just used one or two pictures or at least used pictures of similar perspective. It’s hard for my brain to attach the words of Scarbs to the images when they are constantly changing. Anyways thank you for making the video!

@richardcannon7327 Рік тому

F-Duct is nothing to do with F in vodafone. Its F=fluidic. The device that causes the switch is called a fluidic switch. We developed this system the previous season but chose not to race it as the car wasn't competitive. Originally it was foot activated with a nose inlet and switched to elbow /arm operated during testing. The reason we were able to make it work when others struggled as this was the first season that Full scale testing in a tunnel. So nobody else could make it work as easily as we could. We had tested it the previous season in the full scale tunnel at wind shear in the US. Most impressive was Sauber who turned up with their own version for the first race. Was thought up by our own Back to the future Doc Brown.

@tosehoed123 11 місяців тому

right 😆

@jeffro24 Рік тому

the guy in the circle say big brain things i like him

@JTeam45 Рік тому

Ah yes, the F-Duct. My first season of Formula 1 was 2010, so this was my first time experiencing a piece of controversial aero on a car be unveiled. Very nostalgic stuff for me

@ser_igel 11 місяців тому

my first (although i had a break from 11 to 18) season was 2009 yeah

@garythefishable Рік тому

That Vodafone livery is GOATed 🔥

@royTheLightning Рік тому

neh i preffer ferrari marlboro

@birbman2483 Рік тому

One of my favourite f1 liveries

@FEARYOYOYO Рік тому

Never understood the grammar behind ‘greatest of all time’ed’

@AnttiBrax Рік тому

Nah it's not even a proper livery. It's just silver gray with a logo. You don't go out pointing out every silver Honda Civic having McLaren livery or red Astra having Ferrari livery.

@m.merchant6255 Рік тому

I still sometimes drive my road car, with the back of my hand pressed against the door, thinking I'm activating the F duct for more speed lol. It's ingrained into me from watching back in the day...

@NLBassist Рік тому

I saw some vids about this, but this is the first really clear one.

@don-dspid2404 Рік тому

That is genius. The lightbulb that must have come on when that popped into someone's head.

@fivetimesyo Рік тому

Then the FiA said "F the duct".

@ukwan Рік тому

My favourite F1 car ever made, this was such a great era of F1 with Lewis and Jenson both driving this McLaren. 🥰

@makisan2596 Рік тому

pity the reliability of the car was so shit that year. Mclaren were definitely in the title fight but shot themselves in the foor

@siimtokke3461 Рік тому

A step-by-step guide to getting innovations banned: 1) Another team makes an innovative thing to their car 2) Your car isn't able to have that thing 3) They had been developing their thing long time 4) Rush your version 5) Make it unsafe 6) Get it banned

@Edward135i Рік тому

I can't believe the F-Duct was 13 years ago, I remember that whole season so well.

@Ddub1083 Рік тому

that guy explaining the technical stuff in alot of these videos is pushing them over the top! Great add, get better graphics for him =)

@imasoboredlol1 Рік тому

If I’m not mistaken, wasn’t McLarens hole placed abive the drivers left knee so it wouldn’t effect them on the straights because their left leg was free to lift up and cover the hole due to not having to use the brakes?

@SumnerTube21 Рік тому

there were a few variations but definitely this was one of them

@HunterZTheLunatic Рік тому

Can you explain in a video about new regulations and looks for the next year car please.

@Professional_FunHaver 10 місяців тому

I actually have a design for a dirt track car that has variable-geometry wings that are activated by the pitch of the steering yoke. The idea is that on a straight you could max out your speed, but on a turn you would generate downforce. Looking to build it eventually but I only have the budget for engine, chassis, and skin rn. I think I'll have the means for hydraulic controls and drivetrain soon enough though.

@Carlife0830 Рік тому

I want McLaren to build a car using all of their genius ideas

@UncleRJ Рік тому

This is the same guy who threw dirt at his competitor when he lost.

@harry4454 Рік тому

What

@NeelkanthEarthmovers Рік тому

@@harry4454 He is talking about the video in their second channel.

@Kualinar Рік тому

The F-duct is the father of the DRS. The F-duct of the Mercedes was activated using the left elbow to cover the opening. Safe setup. The copies from the other teams required the driver to use his hand for the same purpose. UNsafe setup.

@cubbelibeygir3087 Рік тому

Can you make a video about the D-DRS that (mercedes used in 2012 i think) as well?

@gringostarr69 Рік тому

It's still funny how lewis managed to grow his hair back from 2010 as seen @1:13 😂

@ryanjonathanmartin3933 Рік тому

He was compelled to do so, because Dennis and Whitmarsh perceived long hair to be messy. That's why Alonso didn't have long hair for most of 2007.

@Lee883 Рік тому

McLaren used their knee pads to cover the duct, when other teams copied they placed it near the wheels and non McLaren drivers were seen going through corners 1 handed

@ovtroll1199 Рік тому

so kinda like the rb18 at spa.

@tpayne3047 Рік тому

What a dangerous device. “Just stop keeping both hands on the wheel and don’t focus on actual driving, it’s faster” is a questionable direction to move in as an engineering org

@outlawrob316 Рік тому

I’m still surprised that teams don’t continue with the approach Lotus (and subsequently other teams) were trying in 2013 - ie the “device”. Seemingly it was hard to get the fluidic switch tuned just right, so everyone gave up trying, but I’m surprised it’s totally impossible. That seems like it would be a benefit, especially in the race where you don’t have drs unless overtaking, and was legal given it used inlets on the engine cover plus didn’t require the driver to do anything.

@ergoproxy-gx2cq Рік тому

What device did lotus use?

@NickTaylorRickPowers Рік тому

The hand hole

@andkinandrew9777 Рік тому

Let me get a cup a coffee this seems interesting.

@lasarith2 Рік тому

I was switching channels and the Formula 2 was on , and I’ve been wondering for a while, do they use the same pit garages, as the formula one , ones, ?

@JohnSmithShields Рік тому

It depends. The paddock they use to set up is normally separate, but they will utilise the F1 pits during races to keep things normal with pits on the start/finish straight. At Silverstone F2 is based in the national pits.

@lasarith2 Рік тому

@@JohnSmithShields ahh, cheers 🙂

@franklinwilliams3213 Рік тому

they could have made a rule that made it so both hands much be able to be on the wheel while the Fduct is covered

@CreakingJordans Рік тому

They gained without breaking the non existent cost cap from the year no one cared about? And without Helmut Marko's help???What is this world

@Tinei1 Рік тому

Genius .. though

@mohitganpule6431 Рік тому

Just a small correction, McLaren has their drivers use their legs. The other teams, for eg Ferrari used their hands

@alihaggis78 Рік тому

I was under the impression that the Mclaren f duct was operated by the drivers knee not their hands or elbow.

@darren8453 Рік тому

I thought it was knee for McLaren as well. Most natural way to integrate it into the driving style as you know where the leg will be on braking Vs accelerating phases. Happy to be proven wrong of course.

@AnttiBrax Рік тому

@@darren8453 That's what I thought too. I suppose there isn't enough room in the cockpit to make sure the driver doesn't accidentally block the duct in a corner. They don't brake through the whole corner.

@pdoyled Рік тому

I thought Mclaren operated by the drivers knee too, and then it got banned on safety grounds because other teams (I mainly remember analysts pointing it out on Alonso's Ferrari**) designed it so the driver took one hand off the steering wheel to operate the duct, which was considered dangerous incase they had to quickly manoeuver to avoid an accident or something one handed**. But the technical implications of standardisation across teams and regulating/policing from the FIA makes sense. I was much younger then and didn't know all the ins and outs of the BTS technicalities and regulations. **(Note: remember to finish watching the whole video before commenting!!)

@andreysab3432 Рік тому

Didn't the McLaren one work with the driver's knee?

@berkkarsi Рік тому

2:04 hang on... what's that thing on the car?

@prodbybabygod7411 Рік тому

Someones run outta content. You already done this video champ.

@markpatterson2507 Рік тому

They need something big or small NOW to get any speed!Used to pull for them but Z.Brown is a bit over matched. Seems a bit greasy as well.....

@benwatkins3794 Рік тому

Now do Merc’s Double DRS

@maxim8388 Рік тому

Is it the guy who throws mud into opponent's car))

@NeelkanthEarthmovers Рік тому

Yes

@Zirion123 Рік тому

and still ppl say Lambos ALA system is fake lol. its basically the same as this

@spikaizautoservisa Рік тому

wait is this the guy from driven media?

@wunkskorks2623 Рік тому

So what’s the name of the guy who had the eureka moment at mclaren? I’ve seen a few videos about this but I’ve never heard anything about the guy who first thought of it. Yeah it’s a team effort but the seed grew out of someone’s brain.

@geonerd Рік тому

It must be a REALLY slow news day....

@mrwalk6171 Рік тому

... I always thought it meant flow duct... i feel dumb

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You are a very good youtuber. ❤

@Jayde39 Рік тому

shoutout to the "often replayed" feature on youtube showing me when the placement ends lol. dont get me wrong i dont begrudge you but im just not interested in the products

@DrpToast8 Рік тому

Someone needs to count how many times they say duct

@joshualevesque9178 Рік тому

yeah I dont think things that require the driver to take their hands off the wheel should be allowed

@ThomasHubik Рік тому

Button in Monza was down in straight line speed. He knew he cant ovartake anyone, in case if he lose a position. Cars so far back at the start of the main straight was in his diffusor at the end of it, eventually lost out to Alonso that way. But probably Alonso was faster on the weekend anyway.

@ExplodeTheCake Рік тому

Wish they would get rid of DRS

@TellURide447 Рік тому

Thanks Scabs

@Tomwithnonumbers Рік тому

This is the kind of innovation that makes sense to keep for a year and then ban. It's not an elegant design in itself, it's elegance is how it subverts the rules about moving parts. With no rules you would just use a moving part, instead of forcing a driver to manually cover a hole whilst driving. Reward McLaren for a year, and then ban it next year.

@TheRip72 Рік тому

Exactly like DAS. Nothing wrong with it so there is no justification to ban it immediately. Developing it is a cost you don't want all teams burdened with, so ban it for the following season.

@RAMEZ- Рік тому

Imagine if there is a car without any rules 😳

@Mesder13 Рік тому

A lot of people argue about the FIA banning cool innovations right after they're introduced but honestly if they didn't, every team would end up with their own versions and the cars would continuously get more and more expensive and complicated. They wouldn't be cool innovations that grant an advantage to a clever team anymore, they would be required hardware that raises the cost for everyone. Personally I like the "Use it for one year, but it's banned next year" approach. It lets innovative teams benefit from their innovations while the other teams struggle to catch up, but once the other teams HAVE caught up, it levels the playing field again.

@Bahamuttiamat Рік тому

@Mesder13 you mean like they do now? Once a technology is banned, another fills the void. Such is the nature of f1 and the competition ambitions of it's teams.

@apophisRO Рік тому

They shot themselves in the foot with "we ban things because then it will get expensive and complicated" when they introduced the current engines in 2014, which are the most expensive and complicated engines in the history of F1 hence why only one engine manufacturer came into the sport since then and has also left.

@TrevorDennis100 Рік тому

I wonder if any team has used a fake device to hide a genuine innovation?

@MrHaggyy Рік тому

Engineering is part of the sport as well. Which is why people love the top classes. If you want fair motorsport with equal cars watch F2, F3 down the rows to carting. Many classes and dozens of hours of sport are available.

@AnttiBrax Рік тому

@@apophisRO So you want cheap engines an really expensive aerodynamics? How does that make it any better? The point is that the F duct was a trick device. In the end everyone would have integrated it into their design so nobody would get an advantage and everyone would have paid more. They let it run it's course and banned it before it became an unjustifiable cost.

@stiliyanpopov4146 Рік тому

And who is the genius "responsible" for this? Does somebody knows?

@valentijnbuma3252 Рік тому

use the like button if you think mclaren should get their chrome livery back

@AnttiBrax Рік тому

Silver gray is not a livery. It's just a colour with a logo. You don't go out pointing every silver Honda Civic having McLaren livery.

@garbage2882 Рік тому

@@AnttiBrax we just prefer the older livery...

@kissgergo5202 Рік тому

So it was banned because most teams couldn't make an elegant and safe solution to cover the hole. Shame.

@PbPomper Рік тому

No. Also cost.

@AnttiBrax Рік тому

Cost mostly. It was a trick device that would have been identical in every car in next year's designs as engineers would have time to integrate it properly. Allowing it would have meant complexity into the rules to keep it safe. So banning it and replacing it with a clear and intentional DRS device was just safer and cheaper for everyone with the exact same end result.

@Tj930 Рік тому

Scotty-boy Mansell fans, get it right! 🙂

@Usaallstar07 Рік тому

F1 the place that bans such good innovations 🤦‍♂️

@doughboi007 Рік тому

You've already covered this....

@FEARYOYOYO Рік тому

You said mcl but showed a merc

@19megamustaine85 Рік тому

🤭Martin Whitmarsh critizizing red bull for cheating in 2011 !

@joshe2420 Рік тому

if the w duct let more air in the cockpit, I dont really see a negative where drivers would get hot as the temperature there gets up to 50 degrees celsius

@apexyao8931 Рік тому

The transition to the adversitment is way too abrupt O_o

@justicebudu2798 Рік тому

When McLaren understood aerodynamics and built very good and fast cars........ Now, looks like a lost team

@ryanjonathanmartin3933 Рік тому

Yeah... those were the days...

@shauno_420fam3 Рік тому

I feel like McLaren need to go back to this kind of racing they seemed to have success when they bent the rules they seem to reserved these days and may be the reason for their lack of performance need to push the rules to the limit

@thevictoryoverhimself7298 Рік тому

Banning "moveable aerodynamic devices" is over-broad. It means the FIA can ban anything in the atmosphere of the earth, with no questions. They banned renaults mass damper, completely inside the bodywork years ago as an "aerodynamic device". They want a spec series, and its annoying.

@LordFarquaad007 Рік тому

The acoustics in that room are horrible to hear that guy talking !

@ramseychong8787 Рік тому

Press F to go faster 😏

@fairrodthecapacitor Рік тому

Imagine of Subaru joins F1, they will have an F-Duct to mimic their nose scoop intercooler on their cars

@sgsuper1150 Рік тому

Quad lock need to make a case for all phones. 80% of phones don't fit the case available.

@georgedreisch2662 Рік тому

A additional effect I think wasn’t brought up, would have been neutralizing the duct at the end of a straight, would have restored the drag and rear downforce, aiding braking.

@_.R.F.X.L._ Рік тому

If was baned i belive is was s cheating elememt like all mercedes ilegal "inovation"

@Larken42 Рік тому

Disappointed that nobody has referred to the “W” duct was not referred to as a wubba duct

@Thors_Garage Рік тому

Now talk about Mercedes double Drs system that they used to win China

@BadgerBadgerBadger28 Рік тому

Yooooo

@rlmane7801 Рік тому

yay im early

@thomaswatkiss9484 Рік тому

No moveable areo dynamic devices drs should be banned lol

@persereika9178 Рік тому

LOL XD I HAVEEBE SUBRFDRIBEDS ALREADY SO I CANT SHYBCRIBE AGAIN RACE MAN WHY ASK THANK

@devondetroit2529 Рік тому

‘It was eventually banned’ FFS This is why F1 sucks, why can’t they perhaps make a racing league with no rules whatsoever, best and fastest car and driver WINS

@MikeM-so3je Рік тому

F1 has become pretty much pointless, banning absolutely everything. Compared to Le mans prototypes, F1 feels like an over-funded spec series.

@AnttiBrax Рік тому

You're not looking at the big picture here. The F duct was a trick device that eventually everyone would have integrated into their design. Next year nobody would have had an advantage and everyone would have paid more. They let it run it's course and banned it before it became an unjustifiable cost.

@aneemtree Рік тому

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@whiteknob7944 Рік тому

When Lewis and Vettel get their wish and F1 bans petrol, F1 will suck.

@ryanjonathanmartin3933 Рік тому

They're going to use biofuels or synthetic fuels. If anything synthetic fuels will improve performance because it is free of the impurities in RON 95 or 97 petrol.