Dura-Ace Is Pointless | NEW Shimano Ultegra Di2 Groupset Review
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2 роки томуThis video contains product placement for Freewheel. It’s been a long time coming but we finally have our hands on Shimano’s 12 speed Ultegra R8100 groupset and have been putting it to the test.
Shimano’s previous-generation 11 speed R8070 Ultegra Di2 groupset is the benchmark of performance vs price but can this latest version mean the end for Shimano’s top level Dura-Ace?
Let us know your thoughts in the comments below.
One of the biggest changes is the move to a semi-wireless system. This does away with wiring from the shifters to the derailleurs. A semi-wireless setup also brings most of the benefits of SRAM’s eTap groupsets with tidy and clean front ends, though assembly will never be quite as simple as those.
Shimano has introduced a redesigned lever shape that has changed the feeling of braking from the hoods. It’s a subtle change but combined with the introduction of ServoWave technology the braking performance is greatly improved.
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@click_welcome 2 роки тому
Someone in the pro scene said, "If you have to 'buy' Dura-Ace, then you don't need it."
@acethetics7399 2 роки тому
who is that someone? he/she deserves an award
@87togabito 2 роки тому
But on that note, I’d rather be someone who can easily afford to buy one, than to be someone who gets it free coz they need it 🤣
@parenthlete 2 роки тому
@@87togabito ha yes fortunately for the pros including whoever that was people often like to buy things they don’t need
@farleyfernandez7165 2 роки тому
Gotta have the best there is sometimes… to the someone like me 😂
@aygwm Рік тому
I’ve seen plenty of pro teams on Ultegra.
@henrynysschens3981 2 роки тому
Would love to see an ultegra vs force comparison.
@marcuswong1797 2 роки тому
Shimano shifting especially the front derailleur is better, and its lighter than SRAM force. SRAM force does give the user a choice of gearing ratios with their 12spd while Shimano didn't do much with their gearing except for adding one extra gear in the middle spread for 'racing' purposes. Also SRAM Force is 2 less cable / 1 battery less to install inside the frame.
@Megadeth6633 2 роки тому
@@marcuswong1797 I'd probably just go with sram because it's easier and more user friendly with the app and such. But I do think shimano still might have the upper hand in reliability. Must not forget they are a conservative company that built it's reputation on strict engineering, putting function and reliability over style. I think sram is still a pretty decent company and I use a sram group myself, and it's been working fine for the last 5 years. Also I've been pleased at the repairability of the parts. I've saved money on buying brand new derailleurs after unlucky accidents for only 15 or 20$ on ebay (and i'm not talking about the hanger). You should be mech-savvy to a certain degree to do this, though. Oh, If you have the chance swap the sram chainset and bottom bracket for something else. The axles have pretty bad tolerances in terms of dimensions, my chainset has this problem and most do. It wears the BB much faster.
@justingrout8037 2 роки тому
They did one no?
@t.b.r.2844 2 роки тому
It would not be honest as you see this is payed advertisement from shimano
@87togabito 2 роки тому
As an etap force user myself, I’d say that Shimano has the advantage purely from a shifting experience. But, force has a package is cleaner with the true wireless experience that one would envision when discussing wireless group sets. So take your pick. I wish I had the dough to splash to go di2 ultegra, but my force is serving me well so I can’t justify spending what limited budget I have for the swap. Both systems have their benefits. But either way they will still serve you more than adequately
@engnelsito 2 роки тому
I agree that from a practical point of view, consumers don't really need Dura Ace. However, as long as consumers are paying 10-12k for new bikes, there is naturally a market for it. You can't really tell someone that is spending 12k in a bike that they could save 10% and downgrade to Ultegra, with only a 400g penalty. The 1.5k difference is significant for the majority of consumers, but completely irrelevant for some.
@leopong7832 2 роки тому
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@aygwm Рік тому
Ultegra is nearly a pound heavier? Dang.
@kleini3 17 днів тому
same with XTR for mtb
@biketrybe7071 Рік тому
Thanks, Warren. I always appreciate your pragmatic, no BS, real-world assessments of bikes and gear.
@stevenshaw6766 2 роки тому
Had my Ultegra for 4 years and love it. Had the system upgraded and now use the Semi- Syncro option which I find is great.
@mohamadjamil3164 2 роки тому
Excellent, precise, and to the point. This gentleman is by far one of the best journalists out there. Tha k you
@Lillee1969 2 роки тому
Great all round and honest review. Brake lever feel of previous gen was one of my biggest gripes compared to SRAM which had a more lighter and feathery feel to them. Glad that this new design seems to address this issue
@meibing4912 2 роки тому
Thanks very nice - first real review I have seen. Would love this on my next bike. Agree that Ultegra is the sweet spot - and soooo good.
@geolocate Рік тому
Some nice upgrades to the groupset. Will definitely be on my next bike. Thanks.
@LoaforDie 2 роки тому
My 11 speed Ultegra 8050/8070 is amazing. Almost 9k mikes with it and no problems whatsoever. Only dura-ace component on my bike is the brake rotors. The black finish on the fin goes well with the color of my bike.
@awildcyclistappears Рік тому
I'm getting this on Tuesday on my TCR Advanced Disc 2021. I can't wait for the moment when I go pick up the bike from my friends shop. This is gonna be a blast.
@ginomordocco4710 2 роки тому
Shimano 105 Di2!!! This needs to happen.
@frits8986 2 роки тому
That is going to happen, so I’ve been told!
@chrisjong8412 2 роки тому
Amazing video's all the time, cheers from Amsterdam
@walshman70 2 роки тому
Some very good comments... I do think that the trickle down has worked majorly to the advantage of the enthusiast rider in this case... The very marginal weight savings of Dura-Ace it's just not justifiable for most cyclists, for the pros where budget is no option, sure!
@saracen888 2 роки тому
Got it, love it. It’s a superb groupset
@bitgeist21 2 роки тому
I can't wait to get this groupset on my next Cannondale. I will say; I was disappointed to learn there is not an RX version of the rear mech. I've come to love the clutched actuation on my current Ultegra Di2 RX rear mech and I hope Shimano releases an 8100 version of the RX before I make my buy :-) As always; great video!
@DaveCM 2 роки тому
I'm guessing they will make GRX 12 speed soon. If they do, you could use the GRX derailleur
@bikeradar 2 роки тому
Thanks for watching! We too love the RX 👌
@nerigarcia7116 2 роки тому
I love the semi-shift feature on my Dura-Ace. It allows me to not think about the right gearing when going from the big ring to the small. When I change at the base of a climb it just puts me in the right gear and I can just continue pedaling seamlessly without adjustment. I did not like the auto-shift however, it seemed like it didn't utilize all the gears like you could with manual-shift. The semi-shift seemed to be the perfect blend of both. Now if SRAM had this feature I think it may be a winning combo in my book.
@DavidRodriguez-eh8yd Рік тому
Ultegra is more then enough… I love it Plus that the 12 speed cassette slides right in your same 11 speed wheelset is great
@magicknight8412 2 роки тому
having had Ultegra Di2 for 7 years now I have no want to upgrade to Dura Ace at all. This is a superb groupset.
@potatocipollini8013 Рік тому
As always a top notch review. I just made the jump to electronic shifting with SRAM Force Etap AXS. I'm curious to hear your thoughts on a comparison with Ultegra Di2.
@CameronPriceJ 2 роки тому
+1 for the Alternative Tentacles Tshirt :)
@matthewlangleyartblog 2 роки тому
Strong pull with the Alternative Tentacles t-shirt
@jcsrst Рік тому
Never saw much use for Dura Ace, I don't race. I have ridden Ultegra mechanical for many years and a couple of years ago started riding DI 2 Ultegra. The DI 2 version is flawless to ride, a real game changer but I've always been frustrated by the user interface. So glad they've finally addressed this. I am planning on upgrading one of my bikes to the new R8100 when I have the money.
@marccarter1350 7 місяців тому
Could not agree more. Its my 2nd DI2 ultregra groupset. Had the 10-speed running well for 8 years with new parts every few years. I am now on the 11-speed R850 that i picked up on a bike recently. It was on a Ex display bike from Condor Cycles. Few marks on the frame, but the bike runs amazing. I am delighted with the 11-speed set! I will oped for the upgrade on the charging port inside the handlebars at my next service! Looking forward to the 12 speed at some point!
@matthewroy5818 7 місяців тому
May I ask what you did for the change?! I'm currently trying to upgrade 10speed mech to an 11spd I know I need to change more then just derailleurs but need better direction!
@marccarter1350 7 місяців тому
@@matthewroy5818 My groupset came compleate on a new bike. But if you are running 10 speed, everything apart from the brakes will need to be changed. The system for 11 speed di2 is different from the 10-speed. STI's, chainset, wiring loom/charger, battery as its under the saddle on 11 speed, front mech, rear Derailleurs, cassette, chain, chainsetset. The charge point on mine is located under the stem. You can obtain a fitting to put it inside the handlebars. A full 105 12-speed new will not be that much more. 11-speed is harder to find, so it might be used. Good luck mate!
@Bendersnatchling Рік тому
I think every buyer of Dura Ace knows that it's not better when it comes to performance. Buying Dura Ace simply means to treat oneself to the best there is. It means you know that you are using what is currently possible in terms of bike tech. Personally I am convinced that Ultegra is an incredible product line as its performance is impeccable. However once I have a good paying job I want to buy a full Dura Ace bike -once in my life :) Right now it would probably be a Cervelo S5 full Dura Ace. Does it make sense? Proably not. But that's okay :)
@raylachman8101 2 роки тому
Love to see a vid on SRAM
@fepatton 2 роки тому
I’ve been using Ultegra Di2 for a couple of years. First thing I did was buy the Bluetooth interface, which took maybe a minute to install. I customized the auto shifting points to my liking and haven’t touched the front shifter since. I do agree that sometimes it does shift chainrings at inopportune times, but overall I prefer the automatic shifts. Cheers!
@Bendersnatchling Рік тому
Can you map it so it's the same as SRAM? (Tap both shifters to switch the front ring, and then left for an easier gear, right for a harder one) I have a SRAM on my dream bike and shimano (non Di2) on my training bike. I would love to try Di2, but I prefer the SRAM logic with only 2 shifters.
@kylebshr Рік тому
@@Bendersnatchling I believe full synchro works that way on Di2 - the rear shifting turns into the synchro shifting (1 easier and 1 harder) and the front ring shifters still shift the front if you want to explicitly.
@Bendersnatchling Рік тому
@@kylebshr It's similar but not the same then. They should just enable the app to map the buttons like you want to...
@fepatton Рік тому
I have mine set up so the right shifter does all the work - easier and harder - using the front and rear buttons. Then the left shifter can actuate the front derailleur if I want it to, which I rarely do. I also use the right and left hood buttons to scroll through the screens on my Garmin. I don’t know if an option to switch the front with simultaneous right-left clicks. The Shimano shifter just isn’t made that way.
@oxy02 2 роки тому
Good video- the new Ultegra looks great! I'm another one for an Ultegra Vs Force head to head review pretty please!
@bikeradar 2 роки тому
We're working on it! Thanks for watching, from all at BikeRadar
@Sandro-lj3tu 2 роки тому
Yesterday I got the new ultegra c50. Really nice pair of wheels.
@TheLongRanger 2 роки тому
Niiiiice Alternative Tentacles shirt! I'm on a release from that label!
@simondawson8493 2 роки тому
Warren asked about syncro shift. I have syncro shift set up on my RH shifter, simply up and down like on a 1by system, and the software sorts out the front mech. That leaves both LH levers to be programmed to manage the garmin. So no problems changing pages or starting the lap timer with cold wet gloves. Works superbly.
@JuvoII 2 роки тому
Does it? I would argue that noone really needs 22-24 sequential gears to go from 0-50 km/h, and therefore every shift ends up being 3 shifts to reach a meaningful gear.
@golgotretze 2 роки тому
@@JuvoII You won't have 22 gears. You'll have 11-12 gears. The shifter decides wich front plate and rear ring uses to get the correct gear (big plate with 5 smaller rings, small plate with 5 bigger rings, the middle ring with one or both plates so you have 11 or 12 gears depending).
@simondawson8493 2 роки тому
@@JuvoII The system is fully programmable, so I can chose when the front changes, and it takes typically 14 gears to go from low to high, just like a mechanical system.
@ShredGeek 3 місяці тому
I actually love Full synchro!! You can also setup your Garmin to beep when the next gear change will change the front derailleur. I wish Wahoo had that.. as I prefer their head units but I have both.
@AgentSmith16 2 роки тому
YES, I would love to see this vs Force eTAP AXS. Just in time for my upcoming custom build.
@RepsacZ 2 роки тому
Just rode the new Force for the first time on a rental and it shifts a LOT slower than my 8y old Ultegra Di2. So that's one important thing I guess.
@LainOTN 2 роки тому
I have Ultegra R8100 and Red AXS, R8100 hands down. If the rear mech is fast, the front mech is mind blowing.
@LainOTN 2 роки тому
In any case both are good groupsets, if you find a deal on one of them I will go for that one. Also preferences. - DOT vs mineral oil for hydraulics (I do my maintenance myself and I prefer the non-corrosive nature of mineral oil) - Aesthetics, totaly personal. - Ergonomics, I was quite surprised how comfortable are the new shimano groupsets, but also ergonomics is something personal, style of riding... - Maintenance cost/repairs, as of today Force is more available than shimano 12 speed stuff. - Shimano has the option to run off one battery (I'm not a fan of having coins cells on the shifters), again totally personal. For some people having to move the bike near a power outlet is a mess, hint, use a power brick :) But again I didn't have major problems with AXS (maybe having to change the coin cell mid riding, the lid is quite hard to open some times) ....
@jsasa5668 2 роки тому
I loved this video. I am looking to buy a new road bike and I will not look at a bike that doesn't have this Ultegra groupset on it. Coming from a Sram Red 10sp (which I love) after trying this groupset (and newest GRX Di2) I am looking forward to having it on my next one. Quick questions! Q1: is the $700 upgrade of the Dura Ace wheels (C50) worth the investment? Q2: how do this compare to the Zipp 303S or Firecrest and Enve 45? One of these sets is going on the new bike. Thanks!
@colnago6501 2 роки тому
Kudos for the tee! Jello would be proud ;-)
@andreiivashkevich1847 Рік тому
I'm looking forward to see GRX Di2 with 12 speed with more reasonable gears like 48 up front
@MasteringGrappling 2 роки тому
Just like with most mid range to high range groupsets, most of the weight savings is in the crank. You can save yourself some money buy the mid range group set and if you really want the big weight savings just buy the high end crankset.
@ricardofigueiras6453 2 роки тому
Nice shirt! Fantastic bands from that record label. 🙂
@vincentwilkinson6347 2 роки тому
love the Ultegra groupset - still wondering why we had to go to 12 speed though
@davelloyd8454 2 роки тому
I use full syncro shift. Occasionally it does want to shift the front when I don't want it to but the head unit beeps when it's going to shift the front next shift and then I'll either accept the shift or just pedal harder in the gear I'm in to crest the hill
@indiebikes 3 місяці тому
I’ve got this setup on my Tarmac SL7 and love it. I do think the C50 Ultegra wheels suffer a bit with freehub engagement speed, especially when coming over from my Rovals with DT 36t freehub. So much so that I’m investigating possible upgrades using a DA 9170 body. Otherwise a great groupset overall and looks awesome on the burgundy/grey Spesh frame.
@mlee6136 Рік тому
The caliper rubbing has not been completely eliminated... When I get out of the saddle and sprint the rotor can rub, I'm using the new thru axle Dura Ace wheels too. The calipers are easier to adjust, whereas the previous calipers were frustrating to adjust bordering on taking back to local bike shop for assistance.
@Dee-Ell 2 роки тому
The people who say DA is pointless would chose it if they were given the choice and price wasn’t an issue.
@belverticale 2 роки тому
Dig the Alternative Tentacles t-shirt. You'll soon be setting a new Land Speed Record in that.
@JoshuaParks 2 роки тому
It’s been a while since the ‘second’ group set was the better option for both SRAM and Shimano - the #1,200 is just up front costs - I’ve found that dura ace / red consumable components also wear out faster, increasing further the expense of the group set over its lifetime.
@markdorazio2990 2 роки тому
Would love to see an ultegra vs force groupset comparison
@bboystretch7788 2 роки тому
Actually 105 mech is already good enough 4 most folks.
@jochem1986 2 роки тому
Who are the 4 most folks?
@garysladek9110 2 роки тому
Oh hell yes to that!
@sinuskurvepitch1247 2 роки тому
Yes and they’ll probably sell a di2 version as well
@solitaryrefinement6787 2 роки тому
Shimano's BEST groupset for 90% of riders on the road today.
@nickpage473 2 роки тому
Jochem me for one .
@paulhowell7103 2 роки тому
could you do a follow up vid when the cranks fall apart ?
@Cortes19882012 2 роки тому
I been riding ULTEGRA for over a decade and continue to do so. It’s pretty much my groupset of choice. DA is good as well but Im not really a weight weenie. My CAAD12 ULTEGRA is 7 kilos which is good enough.
@damo5219 2 роки тому
Gear changes are butter smooth, and as done as soon as you think about changing Braking is good. I like the ease to view how much is left of the brake pads Wheels..I didnt get them Why did I spend so much on Ultegra ? The joy of smooth shifting, every time, day after dày, year after year. No cable issues.
@marcelr.9035 2 роки тому
I have the ultegra 12 speed, it's smooth and feels good and all but as far as performance goes it will not make you go quicker than something 'outdated' like ultegra 6800
@Mmalebogo 2 роки тому
Dura-Ace doesn't make much sense if you are not a pro, but if you want to look like one then it is cool. I also don't like the shiny exterior, especially if you are like myself. going for a matte-black frame I'm no pro, so I'm super stoked with Ultegra
@Hippiehansie 2 роки тому
it is available anywhere !!! but for now, anything with shimano on it is rare!
@adrianlamb9786 2 роки тому
Haven't used any electric groupset as I still prefer the simplicity of mechanical groupsets. Currently using a Ultegra 6600 on my custom road bike and it shifts crisply. Simply magnificent
@henryponiovasquez Рік тому
So how do you know that you prefer mechanical if you haven’t tried di2, doesn’t make sense.
@adrianlamb9786 Рік тому
@@henryponiovasquez cause I don't have the bank to try it
@mokujinsan9946 2 роки тому
Have Shimano sorted out their cranks from catastrophic breaking, separating?
@sandgroper1970 Рік тому
Honestly I have Shimano Ultegra DI2 from factory on my 2016 Trek Bicycle, I find this works fine, and have stated since I would most never go Dura Ace again. Don't need any fancy shift patterns.
@BenSeibel Рік тому
Plan to upgrade to Ultegra Di2 in about a year.
@Cielzerozx004 2 роки тому
Here in our country, a complete shimano 105 groupset rim brake version costs like an ultegra groupset rim brake version in terms of msrp. Prices here are doubled.
@arnonym2444 Рік тому
Whats Ur country?
@nickburke5263 2 роки тому
SRAM vs Shimano high end/ electronic group set comparison would be well worth it.
@th0m 2 роки тому
@1:01 R9100 is the outgoing cable shifting, cable brake, 11s group
@modemarcoj8026 2 місяці тому
It’s not pointless It’s actually a high end premium line that is for people who want the absolute best group set available. I mean do you know how many people say wow look at that dura ace group set when I ride by . Absolutely no one ! But I still ride dura ace on all my bikes Life is too short to settle for anything but the absolute best .
@cyclingSausage Рік тому
I have shimano 105 10 speed set up and the shifting is flawless. Why would I need anything else? I don't like it when batteries become required for anything when they didn't before.
@arditriantoro7813 Рік тому
I have plan to upgrade my chainring on ultegra R8100. Is it possible to use duraace chainring 52T on my ultegra crank.
@RichardMigneron 2 роки тому
My quibble on this groupset is the lack of a small cassette (11-25 - 11 to 19 by 1 + 21, 23, 25). Riding in a flat corner of the country (north of Montreal, Quebec), I'm currently riding an 8000 groupset with a 52/36 cranset plus a 12-25 cassette. The lower I go is 36-21 ... I won't switch to 8100 until they provide a small cassette.
@yupp9393 2 роки тому
Just swap the cassette!
@RichardMigneron 2 роки тому
@@yupp9393 Right, got to find one (maybe at Miche), but the issue is : does it have the new ramps etc
@tman5634 Рік тому
In that case a 39/53 crankset would have suited you better.
@mattknowles2140 2 роки тому
100% want to see it against Force . Im currently turning my nose up at 8100 because of other friends not liking the origional Di2 and issues with battery. the simplicity of eTap and the interchangeable batteries is a real winner for me over Di2 even if it is a bit older now. Im hoding out this year for maybe an update to the Force ?
@twatts4436 2 роки тому
Interested to know what they didn't like. Not much has changed with the new di2. Friends of mine like Di2 except in winter, where they can't find the button!
@kolerezegnee3620 2 роки тому
The build quality of Shimano is way better and it shifts a lot better too.
@onenotesolo256 2 роки тому
It feels like the general thinking is that Di2 shifts better, and there is probably some cognitive bias in favour of Shimano because a lot of the pros use Durace. Etap has (or perhaps had for the last couple of years, before the latest Shimano versions) a friendlier OS and, historically, easier-to-charge batteries. I think of it a bit like iPhone / Android: the latter does a lot of things better, while the former is often more user-friendly and all your products talk to each other without any issues. I have eTap on both bikes for that reason and the easy battery charges and changes, plus the fact it’s fully wireless; but I totally get that Di2 is probably more technically proficient out there on the road.
@JippaJ Рік тому
What bar tape is on that Cannodale?
@np9403 10 місяців тому
I’ve always been sram on road bikes, but when the new bikes comes next year I think I’ll be swapping to shimano. More to do with having to replace the power meter when the chainrings wear out.
@NicholasNemirsky 5 місяців тому
Totally agree. That is what sent me to Shimano. What a waste of a power meter on SRAM!
@WowRixter 2 роки тому
The speed of the shifting is noticeably faster and I really when shifting under load while climbing
@scherzo0o 2 роки тому
what depth for the ultegra wheels?
@MellowYellowCJ7 2 роки тому
We are talking about electronic shifting..."need" has got nothing to do with this decision for me. I would like to know if I can chuck on a GRX rear mech, or front crank for those weekend rides in the mountains. I would love to see a sub-compact crank 30-46, or 32-48 Ultegra. >20% grades are hard on this old guy. :)
@rickbeckner9906 2 роки тому
Thanks. Great review. However, you could access and change the shift modes on the outgoing Di2 without the blue tooth add on through the small buttons on handlebar end junction.
@andrewgibson2145 2 роки тому
Upgraded to Ultegra 8100 last month, and love it! It is a thing of beauty the shifting and braking are night and day compared to my old R7000 which wasn’t exactly bad. I love the full syncro shift, like having paddles on a car.
@boswellwhanau 2 роки тому
I find the gap when it shifts between the big and small ring probably a gear too short...plus there's just a split second or two of frantic spinning until the rear mech changes. Once I've figured out how to adjust the gearing I'll sort that out 😊
@boswellwhanau 2 роки тому
I ordered a new bike October last year from ribble (SL Disk) and the thing that swung me in to the Shimano camp was the fact the new Ultigra Di2 was £500 cheaper than force! Having said that, I've had Herbert for a month now and just love it! Gear changes are silky smooth and fast! Much faster and responsive than my mates old Ultigra that I've used for the last year before my new bike arrived.
@RicardoRocha-lg1xo 2 роки тому
No one needs Dura-Ace. Or a Porsche. Or a Rolex. But if you can afford it without making any sacrifices, you’ll likely buy it.
@meibing4912 2 роки тому
I never bought Dura-Ace, a Porsche or a Rolex, but today I can easily buy all of them and pretty much anything else I want in the world - maybe there's a link between the two facts? ;-)
@jamesdoolan8040 2 роки тому
@@meibing4912 Is the fact that instead of buying those things, you like to spend your time telling people on UKposts that you can afford them?
@meibing4912 2 роки тому
@@jamesdoolan8040 basic financial advice that I got from a rich aunt years ago - which worked for me too - YMMV :-).
@thomasmayo7317 Рік тому
Once you can test 105 di2, a video of that Vs rival AXS would be great please!
@bikeradar Рік тому
We agree! It's actually already in the content pipeline. Now if only we could get hold of a groupset 🤔😅
@villanuevamarkd 11 місяців тому
Can you help me remove the ultegra r-8170 brake lever?
@jamesbull9879 2 роки тому
I totally agree, the price difference is excessive, but let’s be honest, if you’re buying a dogma f, s-works, etc. you want the whole lot and probably money is no issue. If you’re going full superbike then you will want the da… for any sane person then the ultegra is perfect
@markemery1706 2 роки тому
No one talks about the need to attach a cable to the shifters to upgrade firmware...a little frustrating when you can upgrade the other components wirelessly. Otherwise very happy with the DA Groupset.
@Eagle6Airsoft 2 роки тому
It’s why they have waited so long. My venge with di2 is 8 years old now. So it’s taken a long while to get that spec at ultegra price point.
@vongdong10 2 роки тому
I had the previous gen ultegra but really wanted that hyperglide+ which imo is as great as they say and worth it
@anthonyhomercycling 2 роки тому
I’m a new fan of full synchro shift
@junomaxzoey5146 7 місяців тому
I have both Ultegra and 105 DI2s. Let me tell you, I can't tell the difference. I had a loaner Trek Madone on Scram Rival for a little over a week. It's equally good but I will give a slight edge on the Scram because of the ease of recharging the battery.
@wongchristian5181 2 роки тому
On Chinese Market,a full set of ultera8170 is nearly $3000,but a set of used DA9710 in very good condition is the same price or a little cheaper,I choose 9170.
@WorldofColnago 2 роки тому
I got Dura-ace 7800 (carbon) on two 90s Colnagos and Record carbon on a third Colnago.
@greg37gmw 2 роки тому
I like the old way to shift. I do not have trouble shifting. Skip the battery and the tech.
@zodgzod 2 роки тому
I've tried full synchro, but agree that it's weird and annoying. Ending up in the small ring when you don't want to is something you really don't want.
@davehause8571 2 роки тому
Alternative Tentacles? Also, @8:22, I expected to hear "If you want to see a versus video, go make one yourself." haha.
@troyshel 2 роки тому
Alternative Tentacles thumbs up.
@millermiller75 2 роки тому
Can someone tell me if the Classified hub gear is as efficient as a two-geared chainring? To me that thing is a game changer if so.
@davehause8571 2 роки тому
Yep.
@freakyPhred 2 роки тому
Strictly speaking it isn't. The planetary in the hub introduced some drag. But instead of asking here look at the Classified site. They're fairly open about it. Might be similar to the increased drag of a 10t cog? However the upside seems to be fast, bulletproof 'front' shifting.
@millermiller75 2 роки тому
@@freakyPhred thanks. They say more efficient than a 1x (due to less cross chaining) and as efficient as a 2x. They say 99% efficient. Not sure I believe it. Want to see if anyone independent has tested. I would imagine if it’s more than 2% less efficient, people wouldn’t want it despite the better shifting.
@freakyPhred 2 роки тому
An independent test would be nice to see
@Stefanosinf 2 роки тому
Alternative Tentacles!!!! JB!!! Oh, man!
@dictionarsis 2 роки тому
Duraace is Ultegra with prestige inside. Similar to Deore XT to XTR.
@bikeradar 2 роки тому
Is Ultegra R8100 the 'best' groupset on the market?
@donjohnson487 2 роки тому
Yes 👍🏻
@davidlenneberg4303 2 роки тому
How can you answer the question most people can’t afford it as Shimano is overtaking in group set price.
@andreemurray7039 2 роки тому
I'll stick to old fashion wire gear change as a friend of mine had a nightmare with di2.and will never use again and do we really need electric gearing as you have to remember to charge the battery and the price puts me off
@nicow6808 Рік тому
Want to see vs the new Force
@LexaBukreev Рік тому
Love AXS
@alesito85 Рік тому
Why would anyone have to wait to go to a service shop to upgrade firmware when it can simply be connected by USB and updated on PC. What am I missing?
@marty197666 2 роки тому
I’ve had Dura ace in the past. Never again, Ultegra is more than enough for anyone 🤷🏻♂️ Super record on the other hand is still extremely desirable!
@JeffBurns 2 роки тому
lol, same. A few decades ago, Shimano 600 and Dura Ace were light years apart, but now they're really close. Back then Campy was much more costly than Shimano too. Interestingly, the new DA 12 electronic is higher cost than DA 11, putting it almost identically priced as SR 12 electronic. That shocked me a bit.
@RyonBeachner 2 роки тому
As someone who has been riding Dura Ace since launch, I can say that it’s just jewelry. If you stripped the branding and colors off the two, I couldn’t tell you the difference. Same goes with the previous generation. However I will say the latest generation is notably better shifting, which is impressive as before it was already class leading in my experience.
@mattk8810 2 роки тому
Shimano has been clear that Dura Ace is purely race spec and if you arent a racer then ultegra is what you need. They couldnt be more clear about this.
@RyonBeachner 2 роки тому
@@mattk8810 Yeah, I buy Dura Ace because I like it and I can. Not because I in any way need it. I don’t have other hobbies, and I’m a bike nerd, so it’s my big splurge.
@DaveCM 2 роки тому
@@mattk8810 no, they said Dura-Ace is a price is no object groupset. I've never heard or read them say it is intended for racers
@jasonstevenson110 Рік тому
Been riding Dura Ace since 1995 and have raced quite a bit. Now riding 9000 mechanical (9100 cranks). Can't go wrong and I simply like the fact my bike is half a kilo lighter and looks much better than relatively rough looking Ultegra. The price difference between mechanical and electronic is bigger than between Ultegra and Dura Ace mechanical. Plus Campag is even more expensive for pure bling. $A2,200 or so on a reliable and lightweight mechanical group set is worth it if you ride a lot and plan on competition.
@RyonBeachner Рік тому
@@jasonstevenson110 The weight difference from Ultegra to Dura Ace now I think is less than 400 grams. If you have a chance to try one of the latest group sets give it a shot, the performance improvement is massive. It probably won’t make you any faster, but you’ll certainly feel faster.
@adamingleton8529 2 роки тому
I am here for the rim brake version.....
@jameshull6776 2 роки тому
Please do a ultegra vs force comparison
@bikeradar 2 роки тому
Will do!
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