That's actually such a cool detail. I didn't notice that before

Holy shit

That movie is beyond perfect.

@@brainloading5543some would say it’s across perfect

thats crazy i forgot about that

Which, you gotta admit, is impressive on its own. Miles JUST met Hobie and Pavtir, yet he can get them to coordinate and safely rescue literally everyone. Hell, the only possible casualty if Miles hadn't been raised right and listened to Gwen when she stopped him would've been Chief Singe. Meanwhile, Miguels been running the Spider Society for who knows how long now? Ever since the initial collider? Thats been a little over a YEAR. AND HE STILL CAN'T GET A PROPER TEAM. The only time he probably gets it together is when he drops the society as a whole and sticks with Jess and Ben Riley. And even Ben got taken down by Gwen, no issue, leaving just Jess and him. He didn’teven take account Miles previous allies, Penni, Noir, Spiderham, and newest recruits Hobie and Pav. Despite Miguel saying Miles was a mistake, i choose to believe this is Miles story. This is hos canon event: being the new Spiderman and leading the team.

He is leading them astray, which seems to be as good foreshadowing as we can get that his canon event theory has a major flaw

This is a perfectly implemented metaphor. I genuinely did not notice this when I saw it, but now that I know, it feels like it should have been so obvious.

Whoa. That’s some perspective, man. Especially since he’d known Pav and Hobie for MAYBE 15 minutes at most, and he already could tell what their particular skill sets were? That’s a leader in the making right there.

Wonder what Beyond will start with. I'm going with something like "Let's do it right this time."

@@torazelynot even kidding i was about to type the exact same words

@@torazely OOo and that with the Miles Prowler guys would be a great ironic twist on what "right" means ^^

@@thespeedyyoshi oh, I hadn't even considered we'd open with Prowler Miles. That adds a whole new change to things.

Not to mention the last impactful line from Into the Spiderverse was Miles saying, "So I'm Spider-Man... and I'm not the only one. " Meanwhile, Across the Spiderverse begins with Gwen repeating the motif of "He was bitten by a radioactive spider... and he's not the only one." Genius level writing.

Bro just call him Miles we all know you're talking about. 😭

I love Hobie

@@TheAdvertisement this was 2 months ago dude I didn’t even know what I was doing

@@mjserrano32 You don't even have to justify yourself bro, type how you wanna. This dude is just being pedantic.

@@huricanethreeonesix thanks

Yeah cuz he doesn't deserve to

OP has it right. The fact they're not even letting him try because he's an "anomaly" super sucks. Like, something my brother and I talked about after the movie was "Man, it's like miguel and most of the others forgot what being spider man is all about. It's trying to save everyone, even when you can't." By being so focused on "canon events" and letting people die, they're fully betraying what it means to be spider man.

​@@KwassaKwassa_that doesn't even make sense Spider-Man tries period so what he's just supposed to let his pops die

@@AegixDrakanA proper hero would try and not be forced to make a hard choice unless there are not really any other options. And well, if i see a hero start to be like someone who lets someone die on prupose without even making a movement to try to help...it makes me have second toughts.

​@@AegixDrakanindeed And besides He already lost someone trying to protect them

bruh what

@@mintbrownieangelfish-6114After seeing some of his animations online the creators asked him to make a short Lego animation for the movie

WAIT REALLY?? Geez, the more you know

You can tell by the Lego Spidey segment that this teenager is 1: A Lego enthousiast & 2: A Spiderman of sorts enthousiast (depending what he likes most of it)

That is one of the best things I’ve heard of

I also wonder if this is foreshadowing to Miles’ relationship with Miles 42. When Rio said always take care of that little boy (Miles) for her, and to not let anyone tell him he doesn’t belong, maybe Miles will do that for himself as well as his alternate self who was robbed of his fate to become a Spider-Man.

I missed that obvious detail the first time.

@@vintagememelord8168 wait until you realize the whole spider society is effectively a cult.

Hope yall know this means miles's mom is gonna bite it next movie

It’s called a bittersweet moment isn’t it?

YES i was waiting for someone to say that, it adds a whole new layer of epic to the already perfect theme

I KNEW IT! Thank you for being the first one to say it!

came here to say this. thought something was peculiar about it during my first watch, saw a video on it to confirm

Sped up? I thought it was the same notes as the original soiderman theme but in a different order?

*You* fit so well 😏

SVGEUJEYSHWGWHSFEBDJSTWGEBDHFNDBSGWYBSBSUDH

More like they didn't deserve what they went through to make this.

@@1wayroad935 Both?

Their work environment while working on this film was so bad, over 100 animators quit during its production. Those still working after that definitely need a raise, this is EASILY the best animated film anyone has put out. Not even the Incredibles are as good as this film and that film’s a classic

Like, to the point where before I had high respect for Lord and Miller, but now I dunno. That doesn't seem like something the same Lord and Miller who wrote The Lego Movie would do, and yet here we are where it seems they are covering it by just saying it was a hard movie to make and they are proud of the animators.

Yeah! I noticed that 42 Miles rolls the r in "Morales" a lot more than 1610 Miles does. What a neat little detail! (i'm a nerd, so i love shit like this)

That is absolutely crazy, and I never thought about it! In my country we have a synchro and even there he does that, which means it has to be intentional. But I never noticed 😮

Bonus points on his parallel pose to the Great Expectations mural at the end of the movie

3 months late, but I've gotta add. The alien music in that scene. The best way I've seen the Spot's theme described is "the multiverse crying out in pain".

My OTP is so close to becoming true, hopefully Beyond the spiderverse fulfills it

I like the channel, but I feel like he's kind of in denial about how obvious the romance is here. Especially when he keeps saying Margo and Miles have "vibes" even though they've one infinitesimally brief conversation and she herself has less than 3 minutes of screentime. A lot of good people have subconscious bias about pairings like this (I won't go into why unless asked), but they would do well to take a step back and examine them.

@@Arander92 i mean, there was an obvious vibe between margo and miles, your right tho

@@EpiccGuy Sure, but not enough of one to be of note. The jury’s out on if Margo even showed attraction to Miles, whereas with Gwen it’s beyond obvious

​@@Arander92She definitely has a connection as evidenced by her letting him go & joining the ITS crew at the end. Might only be a "dang this guy's on to something" connection, but I'm inclined to believe Gwen's intuition

I hope he doesn't instantly forgive everyone for what happened. That would just instantly kill any emotional stakes

​@@bmo5852 I agree with you! But my sappy self still wants everybody to make up, because we as the audience have the background while Miles doesn't. He doesn't know Gwen had the pressure of Miguel kicking her out of the Spider Society. She makes mistakes and poor judgement like anybody else. I hope Miles and Gwen can make up but in a realistic way. So far, though, these movies have done incredibly with real-feeling characters and expressing emotion so I'm not too worried.

​@@smaragdusjadeiteKnowing Lord & Miller, I think it's safe to say Miles & Gwen will reconcile, but it won't be easy for Gwen.

@smaragdusjadeite while I also want them to be together, I think, considering all that has happened, the most realistic thing would be Miles and Gwen both agreeing to start fresh, no more secrets

​@@bmo5852 in the end Miles will forgive Gwen and Peter and live happily ever after!!... surely...right?

You should watch the original Across the spiderverse crams way too much comedy into it The story is predictable to a point & they tell you twists to YOUR face If you really want that perfect film for musicians, animators & VA's to learn from into the spiderverse stands heads & shoulders above this film in everyway

@@iffy4509 i don't know man, that's a rough opinion it is true that across the spiderverse might have too much comedy, but to say that the story was 'predictable' is a bit absurd (unless you knew the plot like me before watching it) also, i would argue that the points you made about the film not being perfect for animators and musicians is incorrect in this instance; both films have very good soundtracks, primarly BECAUSE they are supported by Pemberton, arguably the spiderverse's creator of its sound quality and recognisable nature and as for the animators, ATSV is just so much more bombastic and impressive; there were way more environments explored, way more wacky characters worked with (the spot, miguel, HOBIE FREAKING BROWN) and the VAs are tough, but i would argue that ATSV does as great of a job as ITSV did the original deserved the oscar, but so does ATSV as well

Hot take: I think Daniel Pemberton's carried the movie more than Metro Boomin'

Not to mention he's a grassroots anarchist. He's all about making connections with the outsiders, those who aren't part of the authority and top hierarchy. While Miguel controls things by fear and intimidation, Hobie makes actual relationships.

He´s also all about that empathy and mutual support on an eye to eye level

Plus he actively works on dismanteling hierarchies and the oppression they breed by forming horizontal social networks that better suit the needs and desires of the people in them :)

Which plans? When?

Hobie being the one out of all the Spider-People to side with Miles really struck out to me for two reasons. 1) While the other Spider-People like Peter and Gwen served as more of a judging-enforcing type of superhero, Hobie’s more of the rebellious hero that empowers people to lead than calling himself a leader. 2) The original Hobie Brown started off as kind of a loser that was unsure of what he wanted to do and how to stand up for himself, and having his developed self guide somebody in a similar situation like Miles was perfect for the story.

I was on the fence with whether I bought Hobie's "coolness." That line totally sold me on him.

that and the "there you go" lines went over my head when i first watched it but hobie was really looking out for miles. he didnt force his mindset on miles like miguel did but slowly hinted here and there, saying things that miles needed to hear. idek if miles heard him during that line but him being there supporting from the background was amazing and the "good" was icing on the cake. he didnt care for any of their approval and thats so badass

@kodykoolrocks Yep. Even as Miles was being held in that force field, Hobie wasn't putting his hands up to calm him down. He was reminding him "use your whole hands" like he suggested when he first appeared. I didn't pick up on that the first time around.

​@@kodykoolrockswhen Hobie said yes, Miles had turned around and watching/listening to Hobie. It's a really fast scene but shows how much Miles paying attention to Hobie. It's really amazing how much they can convey with so little what comes to Hobie. Definitely one of the best part of the movie.

Exactly! Thanks for pointing it out, I've spent so much time wondering why nobody ever mentions how the collider plays into the destruction of dimensions, even when they are talking about Miguel being wrong. I'm super curious on how the third movie will explain how Miguels fake-life dimension fell apart, since it wasnt a disruption of a canon event (Miles asked him what happens if you break canon, and Miguels response was "Do you wanna find out?" which means he doesnt know either), and how Miguel came to think canon events existed in such a thing as the Multiverse, where literally every version of reality exists. He's obviously trying to make sense of his trauma, and chooses spiderpeople with similiar stories. It's simple confirmation bias at this point (spiderperson shares this event with other spiderperson, when event happens, universe stays intact), but how did it start out?

So it's completely unrelated to the canon event. Crazy.

@@irrlichtarchon I like to imagine the canon event discussion started as like a round table therapy session, lol. miguel sitting with like 6 other spider-people, all drinking little coffees or teas, asking about things that have happened to all of them and they start noticing they all have extremely similar stories. probably not really what happened, but it makes me laugh to picture it.

@@irrlichtarchon IDIC: Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations. Everyone's forgetting that can mean that there's a Spiderman that never had the same problems. Isn't he also specifically looking for those same events?

Oh god you're right. Spot used the collider caused the black hole in Pav's world, not Miles interfering Pav's canon event. Miguel's reason always rub me the wrong way but that point really proved that he is blinded by regrets.

That spider-serum idea for prowler miles would be so cool man

A Spider-Man who gets his powers after already having a badass skillset and realized intellect? Plus the ability to be scary without his mask? He's gonna sweep that city clean in no time.

So wait, is Prowler Miles looking for his own power or just to deal with the Sinister Six cartels?@@isaiahwilson4943

@@isaiahwilson4943 dude would easily be one of the strongest spiders in the multiverse

​@@malum9478 there would be two terrifying spider people then. Miles 42. And the spider man who is an assassin trained by wolverine to hold back no punches and deadpool to have a buddy to be the opposite of. Deadpool is making quips and being silly... assassin spider is more silent and serious. All happened after aunt may was killed.

Yes & here's the biggest stinger... The Sheriff dying event is called the "Sheriff Stacy event". Gwen's dad is literally Sheriff Stacy So this event changed as well

I didn't notice

And the colors change too

Except isn't her canon loss Peter? Her dad didn't seem to be in danger.

@@its_dey_mateThere are multiple canon losses, her Uncle Ben in this scenario is Peter, while her Captain would be her father.

When does this happen? I missed it completely.

@nguyenxbj It's during Gwen and the DaVulture's fight. If I remember correctly, it's right before she gets launched into the balloon animal. If I had more time right now, I'd pull up the movie to check.

Yeah, sticking to things and Spidey-Sense are practically magic, so it couldn't be replicated, so he had the closest thing to that

I haven't read any of the comics, so sorry in advance if this is a dumb question: Does Miguel not having Spidey sense imply that he's not supposed to be a Spider-Man, or are there Spider-Men who don't have the Spidey sense?

@@nguyenxbj Miguel is not a natural Spider-man. He didn't get it from a fancy stiper bite. He injects some kind of Spider Serum into himself. You can he it in the movie. It gives him most Spidey powers, but the wall climbing and Spidey-Sense are essentially magic, so he could only mimic wall climbing with claws and enhanced upper body strength, and Spidey-Sense with enhanced senses.

@@Firethorn.gaming Actually, according to the Spider-Man 2099 comic run in 1992, Miguel actually got his powers via a genetic resequencer! He was protesting doing human experiments trying to replicate the original golden age Spider-Man and those types of powers, and they got a convict to undergo the testing, despite not being ready for human trials. After it went very, very wrong, Miguel tries to quit Alchemax, but his boss drugged his wine with a drug that permanently bonds to a person's DNA, and since the company he's trying to quit is the only supplier of said drug, he has to stay with them, or go through horrific withdrawal and die. So he chooses the third option of replacing a tiny bit of his DNA with spider DNA, in hopes of getting rid of the drug before it permanently bonds to his DNA. A jealous Co-worker sabotages him, and makes him 50% spider instead. And that's how he got like that. We don't actually know how many cues the movie took from the comics, but I'm guessing that the serum he injected himself with is something to neutralize his spider instincts, as he has those in the comics and it would make sense.

@@nguyenxbj It also lends credence to the thematic idea that Miguel is a complete parallel to Miles in that he ALSO "[doesn't] belong" with the rest of the Spider-people. Miguel himself is ALSO an anomaly. That fact alone makes his entire sense of motivation skewed, adds more weight to the theory that he is a broken man completely wrong in his theory, and that he's potentially just trying to cope with the loss around him.

omg i never noticed!! do you think that working out would actually affect their already insane superhuman strength?? the idea that such a small detail could have such a big consequence sounds crazy but then again, it's THESE movies we're talking about

@@ophelia.13it does actually. Same with Hulk. If I remember correctly She Hulk in the comics works out in her human form because it’s more efficient at building muscle than the hulk form. If Spider-Man wants the real power though they get a venom

That’s actually insane, I’ve seen this movie so many times and I never caught on to that. This movie is easily my favorite of all time, and these small details just make me love it even more.

​@@ophelia.13Aside from it being good to have some extra muscle when not in the Spider-Man outfit, hoping you put in the right amount of strength, it would be make sense, especially as a nice build up of power.

Well he did manage to lift the bus

I also love that he sees the irony in saying things like that when they talk about not liking labels while labeling himself.

Wow, that's such a cool detail

I just take it as the fact that his father's gone so the exposure to that accent (as you DO pick up accents and ways to pronounce or short-hand words from close bodies) is gone, and so he's more leaning into interactions with his mom. Leaning into the Hispanic part of himself, but could be another metaphor for how he's unbalanced, leaning on one half of his identity rather than balanced like how 'our' Miles is trying to be.

@@thisisabackupemail2264 yeah, but that's what I'm saying. As a small child we're influenced by our parents' speech, but by the time we're teens, our peers will have played a dominant role in the formation of our dialect for years already. So the only way P-Miles is still influenced by Rio's dialect is because apart from his missing father figure, he also lacks friends that would push his accent toward NY and away from hispanic.

Definitely agree with this, I love this detail and I think you've hit the nail on the head as to the main reasons behind his accent. There's also the (potential) factor that Miles-42 probably doesn't miss his Spanish lessons at school like Miles-1610 does.

So good.

for the record 42 miles is named "Miles G. Morales" kinda like "Peter B. Parker"

Hobie's colour was always softer around Miles & darker around Miguel

Hobie is like a big brother to miles and Gwen.

@@scruffd0g193big bruvver innit

As a Brit, and a fan of punk, I think they absolutely nailed Hobie's character

Not only that, but when 1610 Miles first goes to Earth-42, the two most prominent colors in that universe are purple and green. Those exact colors are around Miles before Peter realigns Miles' spider-sense.

Betcha HE didn't get a B in Spanish.

this is the first time i’ve heard someone call that specific character “wiles” and i love the idea of that

@@waffledonpancakes It's what the character designers called him (cause of Mario and Wario)

@@waffledonpancakesikr, i just call him 'milo'

Kilometres Immorales.

Biiiiiiiiig braaaaaaaaain

That’s a really cool perspective I hadn’t thought of that!!

She basically started off pitching part 3

Whooooaaaaaaaaaa. That's crazy, man. I never thought of that!

It was such a brilliant moment that somehow completely slipped my attention the first time I watched it, it wasn't until my second viewing that I picked up on it, this film is so brilliantly detailed, watching it multiple times is pretty much a necessity

Also when he talks about building a watch as he’s stealing the stuff to build a watch 😮

That makes SO much sense

So then does that mean Miles didn't sense 42-Miles because of similar reasons? I blindly got to watch it today and even after the reveal of it being 42-Miles I was wondering why his spidey sense didn't go off

@@caffeinatedpossumI hadn't actually noticed that. I do imagine that it happened for similar reasons

Like how Tom Holland's Peter didn't notice the banana being thrown at him in Spider-Man: Far From Home because it was his Aunt May who threw it so his Spider Sense didn't go off.

@@SpeedyCheetahCub also it was just a banana

Miguel's theme is the least impressive from the amazing soundtrack, its just short and too similar to Prowler. The Spot's theme on the other hand is a masterpiece

@@adamH.1 I have to disagree. I think Miguel's theme is brilliant because it's a direct inversion of the Spider-Man motif in the score! The regular motif goes up-down-up, while Miguel's motif goes down-up-down. It's the same exact notes, highlighting how Miguel *really* is not like the others. You can hear it in many tracks beyond just his theme on the soundtrack, so I feel it's just a little unfair to say "It's too short" as criticism.

Bro I'm not watching a cartoon

@@KwassaKwassa_ "You got a problem with cartoons?"

@@KwassaKwassa_🥶🥶🥶 you’re so cool 🥶🥶🥶

Dude, this whole comment section is giving me a deeper appreciation of this movie. But THIS comment right here! It's a blink-and-you'll-miss-it detail that just adds so much more if you see it.

Woah.. nice catch!!

Hobie's Hobie. He's gonna cool in everything from plot to character design to animation to dialog

He doesn’t believe in consistency ;)

Holy crap, they probably spent six months of production on Hobie ALONE. That's so much detail to cram into one character!!!

@@loganu4664 I think it was like 3 years on him

@@dumbnoodleman good lord

WHYD THEY REMOVE THESE

Pacing, presumably. There isn't really anywhere to fit the first scene without disrupting the flow of the Spot's arc and the movie as a whole, which are already fine as they are - the seed of the Spot's insecurity and the need to prove himself have already been planted and fanned by the end of their first fight, and we can see them grow throughout the movie just fine without another scene dedicated to reinforcing them. The second scene would just undercut the ending - the solid ten minutes at the end dedicated to amping up a high-energy, edge-of-the-seat cliffhanger would just be undermined by ending it on a slower, more ominous sequence. That extra gravity isn't really necessary and would act as pebbles in the shoe of the already exceptionally tight pacing.

Its like the villain pub in hishe

@@johnlokey3267 Well, I think they were rather planned than really deleted, but yeah. And for the reason, what the other guy said, pacing an anticipation with the ending. Also the cost to make, rig and texture models of all of these villains and animate them even for a little bit was probably not deemed worth it. Maybe we can see it with the next one.

The bar with no name shows up in Insomniac Spider-Man 2.

KUDOS TO HIM

Let's hope it can win the Oscar and the critics choice.

"Like Miles saved Inspector Singh while Pav was saving Gayatri" Yeah, with how Mumbattan universe is collapsing, Miles' help might not have been the best

@@whirlpoolstudio97if you look closely the black void was spreading before inspector singh. Like the building was degrading and turning black before it hit the ground

@@CountCalcium and if he paid attention to the Previous Movie, Peter Parker (1610) already said that he didn't want Kingpin's collider opening up a Black Hole right underneath Manhattan. You know, the same thing happening to Mumbattan after the Spot activated that universe's Collider.

Ngl it'd be so lit if Pav was the one to save his dad, too

That would be a very neat conclusion to the narrative of canon events. Good idea!

Ooo I like that take!

and the "elite" at Princeton University

Also Mayday only exists because Peter B. traveled across dimensions and met Miles. She's living proof that crossing dimensions and canon divergence doesn't always result in a universe being destroyed

Personally I was at first justifying it as-dead!Miggy's Gabriella was supposed to be motivated to become Spider-Woman by that incident, then later got involved in Avengers-level time travel shenanigans to change the past; Miguel takes his own place, that Gabriella never becomes Spider-Woman 21something, the past isn't saved, that future gets undone. More recently I figure-in the ItSV post-credits scene, about a year ago, Miguel's original goober is noted as the FIRST autonomous multiversal travel. So possibly it's a hardware issue he's unaware of; whatever radiation/field/energy it uses to prevent glitching is downright hazardous in a foreign universe. So Nueva York is fine, because the Watches themselves are all 'native' to that universe, but too many Spider-Men showing up in foreign universes at the same time? And you know that the Spiders considered their juniors not losing their Gwen Stacys or Uncle Bens or Captains was an 'all hands on deck' situation, while Anomalies look to only get followed by one or two Spiders at a time. So every time a hundred Spiders descended to save a Ben, Gwen, or Captain that universe developed a big ol' quantum black hole, Miguel noted that these events in some form were happening everywhere, and assumed that meant they were structural somehow. So he said stop interfering, took the quantum holes not appearing as 'evidence', did a lot of investigation for other events that 'always' happened and added them to the list, and then forbade everyone from preventing those incidents. Basically, the problem is that Miguel is ascribing far more value to a common pattern than he should when it should have occured to him that the wristwatches capable of blowing pinholes in reality and holding off a universe's "immune response" to outsiders might have side effects. Well, in the comics he is a geneticist, not a physicist... Or I could just favor that theory because it means a thousand genius Parkers can descend on Miguel's work to fix the problem, and we get a happy ending without having to figure out what actually is causing universes to collapse. Because even if Canon is wrong, and I really doubt Beyond is going to end with Miles letting his dad die and accepting fate or watching his universe fall apart, that doesn't change that SOMETHING collapsed at least one universe.

spottttt ❤

Grew up with Maguire, some of the games, then Andrew and Tom later on, never knew The Spot existed. Never knew he was considered a joke. Aaaand… out of all the many iconic Spider-Man villains, after this movie… I think he’s become one of my favorites????

It's set up so well, one of my favorite bits is when he and Miles are fighting in the collider at the beginning of the movie. He accidentally throws open some portals behind him, he looks back at them and then to his hand (like "Wait I can do that?"), and in the next cut he's throwing portals at Miles. He's so well done and I'm super excited to see how far he'll get to go in Beyond!

I agree, I just wish they would have resolved the conflict with him in THIS movie, or at least tried to, instead of switching abruptly to Miguel as the villain and saving Spot for the next one. that was... odd to me.

@@K.C-2049 had to introduce him and his schemes, i guess :( cant wait for the spot lore 🙂

Yeah lol. But she’s also scared she’s gonna take a hard fall if she pursues those feelings.

@@Aisha_Luv yeah that’s at the start of the film though but by the end she doesn’t believe in the canon anymore “one thing I learnt from Miles anything is possible”

@@JakeyRavioli true cause she used to run from things like her relationship with her dad and her feelings for Miles but he taught her that she doesn’t have to run from things and that’s how she fixed her relationship with her dad and now she’s gonna do the same with Miles and tell him how she feels once he forgives her.

I don't usually rate romantic sub plots, but damn, this one hit hard

yes! My synesthesia is number/letter-colors, but Gwen's universe is so satisfying bc my brain is so used to mixing colors with other things that it just made so much sense

This movie is seriously just a love letter to "people who have x" "people who are y" "people who feel z" I love it

Ooo, nice.

Yoo I gave synthesia as well! Especially with emotions it's like I can feel the colour throughout my whole body. Just another reason why this film is flipping awesome

What's synesthesia?...

"We will be watching your career with great intrest."

@@berengustav7714 For real lmfao

Having even a single scene in a critically acclaimed animation movie with his name on it at 14 years old. That's going to look damn good on his resume.

That kid is going places, seriously such a good scene despite being short.

That was made in blender?! Genuinely thought it was like stop motion. Absolutely mad skills there!

Hobie might be Miles's biggest fan and it's just the best.

He even whispers, “Hey Peter Pan. Palms.”

That legend is extremely important, the first person who wanted to break the status quo.

And he wiggles his fingers too to draw attention to it. SO MANY DETAILS

Miles' accent being more hispanic was one of my favorite tiny touches in this movie.

he's certainly a g

as someone who doesn't speak Spanish hearing this makes the movie a whole level deeper

Brazilian here, i do and fell the same

Mexican from LA here! I never leave the house without hearing my mom tell me qué dios te bendiga!

people started laughing when it said to be continued bc it's basically insane and so unusual to end a movie like that

@@viktorbeisland4506Fast X:

I will never forget the collective -outrage- in my theater when this came up. People were distraught that they got the rugpull. xD

Since they had announced it years ago, and I was keeping up, I knew that it would end on a cliffhanger. But I was so scared it would end up feeling half-baked, like it ended abruptly. But nope. The ending kept building up and up, and stopped at the PERFECT moment. This movie was PERFECT.

I knew it was going to be cut in half and I still was mad. They way they started building it up made me respect them though at the same time. The buildup was crazy and I actually was ready to watch for another hour

I actually think Rio didn't know, and Aaron didn't know until they got to the roof. It's subtle but you can see him looking down at his lit up phone and then give 1610 Miles a suspicious look, meaning his Miles just messaged him.

They don’t actually know it’s the wrong miles. Aaron was definitely suspicious and then it was confirmed when he texted his Miles

There are also moments when Miguel doesn’t look fully rendered, either.

They're so cute, just two teens in love and trying to navigate that while also being spider-people. I'm rooting for these crazy kids.

I was also thinking about the line when she tells Miles to "take care of that little boy." I'm wondering if that ends up being prophetic, and he treats the other universe's Miles with empathy, and helps him become a better person?

It goes hand in hand when Gwen told his parents, I’m going to find him and bring him home.

I somewhat like the think it's also a dig at marvel editorial for never letting spider-man have a happy life, that they think he has to constantly get "hit in the balls" to have a compelling story when some fans would for once like to see Peter Parker have a win with MJ for once instead of constantly going back and forth which got old pretty quickly. Less said about Paul the better.

@@bigboyfilmproductions8478 which is why including the May-day spider girl is such a hecking awesome nod to that, May-day's spider run was a 'what if' of Peter and MJs life NOT being fucked up by the editorials, not having to be a tragedy.... until the spiderverse comics came in and destroyed her family cause yay drama

Is it? seems to me that the writers want us to hate the "old" spidermen and to like the new ones

Yes! I love Miles' speech to Miguel about how people keep trying to tell him what his story is supposed to be and his decision to do his own thing, i.e. break with canon. He inspires Gwen, who goes home to talk to her dad, which convinces him to quit his job, changing the canon so that there's never a Captain Stacy in that universe at all. Miles is absolutely going to break all the rules and I'm so excited for him.

Except he still had an uncle die so he hasn't subverted anything at all.

you are a legend. thank you

5:34 Miguel doesn't have spidey-sense 8:41 Miles being on covers of magazines in the bodega 8:57 Miles has a thing for beef patties, they are one of his favorite foods from the comics 10:54 The Fire Next Time book by James Baldwin 19:43 Every single label that you see over the spider containers are real universes from the Spider-verse. The spider on the far left from Miles' spider (Earth-14512) is the spider that bit Peni.

@@jjbizzare96 Also at 34:10, Miles' hoodie is purple and green, not red and black. Subtle visual storytelling there.

@@CerealKillerBoy100Yeah, I noticed the color change of the jacket in the theater, but in the moment I figured it was a stylistic color shift to imply something Uncle Aaron (or Prowler)-like about the situation. The movie had been playing with color choices and art styles and neat references so much I didn’t realize I had noticed something plot-important until it was spelled out.

39:38 Miguel is shrouded in red by a WELCOME sign

OH MY GODDDD YOU ARE SOOO RIGHT IM SO THANKFUL FOR THIS INFO CUS I WOLD HAVE NEVANOTICED

People talks a lot how this movie ends in a big cliffhanger but you can have the other way and say "this is gwens movie" even tho we didnt see her all the time and the point of view is from Miles, she has the most character development and had an end to her arc with finally being all good with her dad. For me she was the stand in character and the best one of the film, she isnt always the hero, for a while she plays an antagonistic role and thats fantastic We got the cliffhanger, sure, but we also got Gwens story, beginning, the problem to solve and the ending solution

The absolute quiet after her dad shot his gun in the air, and hearing the cartridge drop is spine chilling every time.

@@SMLolita I totally agree. Tbh everything about the watercolor scenes is just so emotive and engaging. The relief I feel when they hug, and the colors turn white, and bright, is indescribable. Its truly a masterpiece

@@JustOnlyHallow YESSSS i absolutely agree with all of this. this IS gwen's movie.

@@JustOnlyHallowI also really like that the cliffhanger is at the part where Miles is about to escape and Gwen is about to save Miles. So when they go back into the second part, they can pick up from there.

What about the fact he future tipped Miles to use his whole palm next time (like he knew the future) then quietly RE-reminded him when the time came! Pure awesomeness.

At first the "make your own watch" line to me it seemed like Hobie was being dismissive as part of his punk-persona, but he was 100% serious about it.

I loved Hobie!

I think they also kind of hinted how Hobie will be on Miles's side with the backstory, he was fighting against what he saw as oppression and so when that happened with Miguel being the oppressor he was always going to stop it.

tbf, Hobie is very British and talks very fast