I felt a great disturbance in Canuckland, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

I'm sure the fanbase in Vancouver will be completely reasonable and not panic at all with the Demko news.

Lindy has officially been employed by the Sabres in every decade they have existed

The Utah/Arizona situation seems like the Cleveland Browns/Baltimore Ravens in the 90s. Browns franchise was put on hold (3 years) to build a new stadium, etc. and Baltimore became a new franchise.

New panic index board: a giant Canucks logo.

Oh yikes. The Demko thing might be worthy of a bit of panic.

Being a Canucks fan is nothing but pain and suffering.

it would be so poetic if Lindy Ruff manages to bring Buffalo back into the playoffs, he was their coach the last time that happened

If you want a comparison in regards to the Arizona Coyotes technicality, there is actually an NFL comparison. The Cleveland Browns had this exact thing happen to them when Art Modell wanted to move the team to Baltimore (currently the Ravens).

If you haven't watched THG's videos about Eddie Livingstone, I highly recommend doing so. UKposts occasionally recommends older THG videos. Could Shannon add to his new videos a link for an "old video of the day?" I enjoy his historical and humorous videos.

Alex Meruelo stop making fans hate you challenge (impossible)

On the Coyotes: Ravens did the same thing in the NFL when they moved from Cleveland. It was a great thing to do for the Browns fans, and I am sure the Coyotes fans will see some positives in that too.

Alex Meruelo: I AM the Arizona Coyotes.

I really hope this works out for Lindy , he was so much fun in buffalo last time

Demko turning into a injury prone goalie who's gonna be injured every single year

Fuck!!!!! Demko out for the series probably! Fuck!!!!!!

there are some elements of this Arizona/Utah situation that are similar to when the New York Americans came into the NHL in 1925, the New York Americans came in as an "expansion franchise" with players that were on the Hamilton Tigers the year before but all the previous history stayed in Hamilton

The situation with the Yotes is not entirely dissimilar to the wya the Cleveland Browns move to Baltimore happened. Cleveland retained the name, colors and history, and the Browns were set Inactive, and Modell was awarded an expansion team that became the Ravens.

Oh damn, Demko being out is horrible news for the Canucks

I'm going cross eyed with this whole Yotes / Utah situation.

The retro Jazz Purple/Light Blue color scheme would be elite

That fedotov cap hit is a shocker 😮

It makes a lot more sense to tie the team history to the location. Currently, Teemu Selänne holds the Arizona Coyotes single season record for goals scored with 76, whereas Ilya Kovalchuk holds the record for Winnipeg Jets with 52. Does that make any sense to anyone?

I really like the Bruins tandem. This era of high paced fast scoring games…it’s different and rethinking goaltending starters ..I find it compelling.

Betman at a press conference basically said the new Coyotes team would be an expansion in the similar to Vegas or Seattle.

Bettman actually addressed some of that during the press conference. The reconstituted Coyotes will have an expansion draft like Vegas and Seattle.

Utah is basically just an expansion team that comes with a squad pre-made, i wonder if they would have preferred a draft but its not a bad squad to start with

As a preds fan that’s a massive blow. I wish demo the best. Now even if we somehow win this series I can’t help but Asterisk it. It’s Mickey Mouse asf. Wish demko the best and hope he can go for game three.

Thank you Shannon! 😊

Also in Leafs news - Tie and Max Dome are the only father/son duo in Maple Leafs history to both score a goal in a playoff game.

Next year will be Utah playing in a jersey that just says "TEAM" vs NJ in their Jersey jerseys.

Ha! I forgot about that Sharks/North Stars weirdness. Coyotes franchise has been strange from the start so it fits them to stay strange.

Oooh... I'd love to hear about the San Jose/ Dallas / Minnesota North Stars thing. San Jose Sharks became a team just as I started following hockey. I didn't know the three were connected. I always figured it was Ottawa San Jose expansions only and that the Stars only relocated

DeSmith has to lock in.

For a Buffalo team that hasn’t made the playoffs in so long - ironically, since Lindy Ruff was the coach. The last coach to go to the playoffs with them is poised to be the one that ends the skid.

When the WHA was absorbed into the NHL, the existing NHL teams wanted to reclaim, from the incoming WHA teams, players whose rights they owned from earlier entry drafts. The compromise they made was that each WHA team could protect 4 players (I think) and then the NHL could reclaim from the players left, and for each player they claimed they had to remove one player from their own protected list for the “expansion” draft to stock the incoming ex-WHA teams. A couple of examples: Dave Langevin played for Edmonton in the WHA. The Islanders had drafted him the same year they picked Gillies & Trottier and wanted him back, so they reclaimed him and exposed Pat Price, who went to Edmonton. Through all the rigamarole it was basically a trade: Price for Langevin. Similarly, they had drafted Richard Brodeur in their very first draft in 1972. Brodeur played his whole career with Quebec in the WHA, but the Islanders reclaimed him, 8 years after he had been drafted, and exposed Gerry Hart, who ended up on the Nordiques. Brodeur was quickly dealt to Vancouver, but the Langevin move was big because that made Dave Lewis available later on for the Butch Goring trade and both Langevin & Goring were key contributors to the Islanders dynasty. In the NFL/AFL and NBA/ABA mergers, the teams just came into the merged leagues as they were, with all their players. Nice & simple. Of course the NHL can never do anything the easy, sensible way. They always have to come up with a clever scheme.

Very sorry to hear about Demko’s injury. I was pulling for the Canucks this year. Sadly, knee injuries don’t get better under the strain of play, they usually get worse. Also, even if Demko plays he’s not going to have his full mobility. Losing its star goalie, or having his play diminished by injury, with no good backup to take their place is the worst thing that can happen to a team in the playoffs.

From what I've heard earlier, it was confirmed that if the Coyotes are reactivated, it will be an expansion draft. I think your comparison to the Toronto situation is on point; it sounds like Bettman was stuck between a rock and a hard place when it comes to pulling the players out of Arizona, because the owner was completely uncooperative with selling the team. Sounds like this was the terms the owner gave in order for Bettman to all the players out of that sinking ship. At least on the good news side, because of his financial misdeeds and not paying bills, I highly doubt the owner will be able to have the credit rating to fund a new stadium, so in 5 years, I suspect the league will be returning to Arizona with a new owner.

God the Coyote drama never ends

“Lindy back where he belongs”❤️

if the coyotes get reactivated, you do a reactivation draft instead of an expansion draft. and the expansion team in utah doest need an expansion draft because they already have players. simple as that !

Supposedly Flyers had that contract in agreement before Fedotov even came over, they have money so I'm not worried about it.

As a Coyotes fan, I'm okay with a fresh start in the team history department!

Lindy Ruff was the Sabres coach the last time Buffalo made the playoffs. 2011, the same year my Jets 2.0 landed in Winterpeg. You would think Management could not possibly be more inept.

This situation with the Coyotes history is very similar to what the NFL did with the Browns. When the Browns rejoined the league as an expansion team in 1999, they carried over the history from the franchise that became the Ravens, and what was the Ravens became retroactively thought of as an expansion team. I assume if the Meruelo group rejoins the league they'll carry over the Coyotes history, if not it'll stay with Utah

I think something similar happened in the NBA with the Pels where the Charlotte Hornets got their history back from the Pelicans, and the Pelicans are considered an expansion team from the move to New Orleans

People keep bringing up the Cleveland Browns, but that was a completely different situation. The same owner still had the team rather than selling it. The league was not in favor of the move, so the one thing they could do was strip the name. There were moves before and after than, and always the team name and history went along.

It actually makes sense, if you think about it. Meruelo still has the "Coyotes" franchise. This franchise has been rendered inactive due to circumstances (arena issue). As a result, the roster has been "sold" to Utah. If it helps, think of it as $1bn for an expansion team plus $200m for the Coyotes roster. If Meruelo actually follows through, he can trigger an expansion draft (Vegas etc rules). He has until 31 December 2027 to do so, and has to have met a certain benchmark. I know, I know... it's convoluted. But this is how I understand everything I've heard and read thus far.

NFL did the exact thing for the Cleveland Browns. The Ravens do not own the past Browns history. Also it's good to have Ruff back in Buffalo. I understand why he had to leave the first time but the franchise hasn't been the same since.

"I just think that the decisions the Devils GM made last summer hurt the team, nothing Lindy Ruff could do" - a man who picked the Devils to win the cup at the start of the season

I watched Ryan Smith on the pat mcafee show and he kept hinting and pointing at his giant window with a clear blue sky and mountain.

Give this man his own show already

Both Briere & Torts said the goalie tandem next year is Ersson & Fedotov. So unless an injury occurs they won’t be going out & getting another goalie.

I love your jersey. I appreciate it. I will always be a fan

A few videos ago, you described the forced sale of the Coyotes as “laundering a franchise” and that seems the best description of this stupidity. How Maruelo can “hold the history” when the franchise has been stood down, he’s been paid a billion dollars for the team to bugger off to Salt Lake City beggars belief. Hopefully Daly and the NHL sees this video and realise that leaving the history of the team in the hands of a person who was paid a hell of a lot of wampum to not operate a franchise in Arizona is completely daft at best. If the NHL weren’t such a joke, Maruelo would have been completely shown the door once the billion dollars hit his accounts. Now, if he does manage to build the new arena in spite of all the opposition, then I could see a process by which he has the first shot at an Arizona expansion team but this limbo is just plain weird. At least the Canes brought their history from Hartford with them. The irony was that given how acrimonious the divorce from Connecticut was (so much so that Karmanos paid an extra $20M+ penalty to play two years at the Greensboro Coliseum 90 minutes west of Raleigh), Karmanos absolutely refused to have anything to do with that Whalers history whatsoever. Thankfully we had legendary broadcasters John Forslund and Chuck Kaiton who would slip in Whalers factoids into the broadcasts every chance they could. In fact, here’s Chuck and the Letter K’s call in the final moments of Game 7 in 2006: “9,393 days of frustration, and on the 9,394th day of NHL existence, the Carolina Hurricanes-the Whaler organization 'til '97-have won the Stanley Cup!”

As a Yotes fan, I'd TOTALLY be down for Winnipeg to get their history back, if they are letting Murello keep the Yotes history in AZ/Phoenix.

So now it will be much easier for Utah rookies to set up a new franchise record.

Arizona is still a franchise in good standing with the league; inactive until they have an arena. They essentially have traded the entire current roster for Utah's expansion draft rights for when they reactivate. Utah is an expansion team, and nothing has changed with Arizona except for them being inactive for up to five years. This is not actually that complicated. The Quebec Bulldogs did the temporarily inactive franchise thing in the 1910s, so there is some precedent.

I like the idea of Utah going with a similar color scheme to the Jazz. There's really only two cities that coordinate all their teams colors well -- Pittsburgh and Seattle

Ullmark was actually lights out in game 2. Boston just didn't play as well as in game 1.

As a Cleveland area fan, I sometimes forget that we lost the Browns. The history "staying put" is always best for the fans when they lose the team.

It's perplexing how much leeway the NHL gives Meruelo.

Gary said there will be an expansion draft like Seattle and Vegas.

Yes Arizona is keeping the teams history. I really like this as a Sens fan because first of all, it’s less confusion and second of all history should stay with the city or state and not move to the next place with the team

13:05 - It was barely touched on, but Gary said in the presser with Alex that 'if he follows thru then YES they will be an expansion team with a draft similar to Vegas and Seattle.'

I'm with THG, with this bizarre situation it's now past time for the Jets 1.0 history to be given to the current Jets!

The reason the records are staying with Meruelo is because Utah is technically an expansion team that is just buying the Hockey Ops department of the Coyotes. So everything that isn't the players or staff stay with the Coyotes.

Man I hope the Sabres make the playoffs next year …

The NHL with team history in a nutshell, Toronto is Toronto, but not the NHA Toronto, but every other NHL team that was an NHA team that are now NHL franchises. And Winnipeg is now the Arizona, whose players are in Utah. Atlanta is now Winnipeg, and Calgary. The Seals became Barrons who then merged with the North Stars but spun off players to be the San Jose Sharks, then the North Stars became the Dallas Stars. Anyone else follow all of that?😅

Here's why I think they had to treat Utah as a "new" team. Part of this deal was that the name "Arizona Coyotes" gets to stay with the Arizona ownership group. So if you were to let the history and records go to Utah, it would be really confusing for the "Version 1" Coyotes history be in Utah and the "Version 2" Coyotes history been in Arizona". The NHL announced that Utah was granted an expansion, and Utah was buying everything from Arizona. The Arizona franchise is "suspended", but still exists on paper. If the arena in Arizona doesn't get built, then I suppose the Winnipeg/Phoenix/Arizona franchise just ends there. It's happened in the NHL many times before - just not recently. The last two franchises to disappear were the Montreal Maroons and the Brooklyn Americans in the 1940s (leaving the "original six" teams remaining). As for where new players would come from for the "new" Arizona Coyotes, I assume they would have a "replenishment draft." It works just like an expansion draft - just a different name. Replenishment draft plans are built into most major sports leagues in case a franchise suddenly loses a majority of its players....such as with a natural disaster or plane crash. YES, they DO think of these things!

NFL did the same thing when the Browns moved. They still pretend the Ravens are an expansion team

Any date for the lottery yet?

It's actually surprisingly similar to Hamilton Tigers/New York Americans situation 99 years ago. Except that the Hamilton players were suspended for wanting more money, which somehow also killed the franchise, but then the next season, the entire roster was imported wholesale to the expansion[?] New York team and given more money. Then the Americans went on to suspend operations in 1942 because money/war, but were supposedly promised they could be reactivated after the war was over and players returned from oversees. Turned out the NHL lied and the dormant franchise was officially withdrawn in 1946. Seems to cover all the bases, just mixing up the order of operations this time. Although that Cleveland Barons + Minnesota North Stars = San Jose Sharks thing is another weird one. Wonder if there was an argument that the Seals/Barons history should have followed the Gund bros. back to the bay area.

Demko at 85% is better than his backups, but if you look at Ville Husso rushing back a goaltender can exacerbate a problem. I'd rather gamble on not having him for the series than risk making the injury worse. Doesn't help to make it out of this round if you cripple your goalie going forward.

Yes, leaving the team history, logo and colors was done previously by the NFL Cleveland Franchise when they moved and became a new NFL Franchise in Baltimore. Sports leagues need to add relocation language in their bi-laws and enforce it as league rules.

They rushed back Demko too soon

Welcome home Lindy

A blue and yellow Kachina as a throwback jersey could be really dope. Don't mess up Utah.

I never understood why they played Demko vs the Jets for the final game

Henrik Lundqvist even said it would be wrong to not stick with Swayman!

This is gonna be big game for the canucks

As much as I am excited to see Utah get a team. Im going to miss seeing those Kachina jerseys

@thehockeyguy with utah not getting coyotes history, that means records starts right? like e.x “keller is first utah player to score a hattrick” it may be a dumb question but it’s my first year as a hockey fan so first time a team moving and so

In 2015, the Hawks swapped Crawford out for Darling in the first round, and he's probably the biggest reason the Hawks make it out of that series against the Preds. I'm not saying it will happen. BUT it'd be pretty funny if Nashville was ousted again by a backup to a team that was relevant in the early 2010s

I saw a clip of a Coyote player bringing Doan his banner and said it was going to the dumpster??? Seems to be a great curator so far….

That screaming face magnet could works for both the Vancouver and the Coyotes information here.

Ruff's past success, at least in Buffalo, he would admit, had a lot to do with the 2 all-world goalies he had in Hasek and Miller. He may have struck gold again, by walking into a dream situation in Buffalo, with the emergence of UPL, and the potential of Devon Levi. Ruff may ultimately be thanking the Devil's fans for encouraging his ticket out of NJ...

The Arizona situation now parallels the Cleveland Browns situation in the 80's, instead of the owner picking up the franchise and U-Hauling them to Baltimore, Gary Bettman is hauling the franchise to Utah. Art Modell didn't get to keep the Browns name and Bettman and the BoG don't retain the Coyotes name. In a weird way it kind of makes sense and I wouldn't be surprised if the Browns were cited as a precedent.

Demko take my body

I agree that the history should go with the team, though there are some cases of this happening in other leagues. In the NFL when the Cleveland Browns left for baltimore when they got an expansion team they got to keep the brown's history, and i'm pretty sure somethin similar happened in MLS with the San Jose Earthquakes. Plus Utah ownership definitely seems like they wanted expansion and this kind of just fell in their lap so i dont think they mind starting fresh. Realistically though yeah it makes more sense to consider the history to move with the team but it not officially makes for a fun "did you know" talking point when brought up at least.

the Coyotes history going (or not) to Utah has precedent with the Hamilton Tigers moving to NY to become the NY Americans. It is pretty much the same situation. The Americans owner bought the players and the team but not the franchise and the Americans technically have no historical connection with the Hamilton Tigers.

Damn, that's some pretty good news for Nashville

If he has the Jets/Coyotes history, does Meruelo have Doan's jersey retirement banner? /s

I wonder if that phrasing was deliberate after the awkward press conference a week ago where Bettman shushed Meruelo. Going from "Let's not do the history, it doesn't help" to Daly saying "The history stays with Meruelo" makes for odd context

Maybe something like the browns in the NFL

Isn’t hiring Ruff a bit of returning to an empty well, recycling, etc.? There has got to be a young coach ready to make the leap, no?

My thoughts are I'm getting my popcorn and waiting for the next video, this should be interesting....

Eddie Livingstones ghost is having a good laugh about all of this.

What about Annunen ???

Well that was a gut punch, DeSmith has to be locked in.