Super Bike Vs. Mid-Range Bike | What Really Is The Difference?

6 років тому

Last year we tested a cheap bike we bought from Ebay against a Canyon superbike. Now we want to know how much you need to spend on a bike to get basically the same performance as with a superbike.
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Would a mid-range Canyon Endurace AL costing around £1000 keep up with the top-of-the-range Canyon Aeroad CF SLX Disc? Or is performance solely the domain of the wealthy?
Do you think super-bikes are worth the extra money if you've got it? Or are they excessive as you can get great performance with a reasonably cheap bike?
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КОМЕНТАРІ: 2 200

@gcn 6 років тому

Super bike, mid-range bike or cheap bike? Which would you choose and why?

@mon-i8818 6 років тому

Definitiv Supee bike!!

@timmyshigeno6045 6 років тому

If I have enough money which is impossible for now, I choose the Super bike

@haxhxm841 6 років тому

Choose the superbike if my wallet allowed or else the endurace would do justice . think about what if you guys compared neck to neck the only different is the frame and the seattube!!🤔🤔🤔🤔 I think it would be a crazy test and a hard one for the mechanic too

@markonikolic1386 6 років тому

Mid-range for sure. No need to go that expensive. If every second is important to you than sure. If you got money to spare than why not. If it's going to get you riding much more go for it. But for someone who loves cycling and doesn't care about mere seconds it's better to save a few thousand euros and maybe go for a epic bike trip than spend them on in my opinion an overkill of a bike.

@ronnietse5589 6 років тому

Is that also suggesting that if I lose 1.5kg from my body I’d be 10 seconds faster off that climb? 😂

@FoolOfATuque 5 років тому

You can go faster on a super bike, because your wallet is much lighter...

@sandalphoncpu 4 роки тому

James Rounding ...and use the rest of the money to shave your head bold. Lighter wallet than before + aerodynamic head.

@solitaryrefinement6787 4 роки тому

😆

@teniath5872 4 роки тому

That's one of the best comments i have read in ages

@smokemagnet 4 роки тому

Best comment ever... ;)

@kenshin9880ify 4 роки тому

hahahahahah

@markjones2634 6 років тому

Buy the bike you can afford, ride it, love it.

@davidfigueroa8335 5 років тому

Mark Jones I literally starting riding some weeks ago, i use it for recreational and for going to college, its an old huffy im trying to restore it, and then adding a brushless motor to the front tire.

@evilcanofdrpepper 5 років тому

I buy, fix up and sell bikes in my free time to create the extra cash to buy bikes I couldn't otherwise afford and to learn about everything new that has come out in the past decade or so. I have found a lot of value in that because I get to test out tons of bikes that I normally wouldn't have although it has taken me about 8 years to earn enough for a decent pair of bikes for the road and mountain seeing as I do it all in my spare time. It has taught me a great deal about bikes and what I like about different designs on them though. Some of the best bikes I have ridden for road are Giant TCR Advanced 1, Trek Emonda ALR 6, and a few Felt bikes. I found that If I want to go out riding for longer distances or on rougher roads and all conditions an endurance bike or Cyclocross bike was much more comfortable but when It came to pure speed the Giant TCR and Trek Emonda have been the fastest bikes Ive had. The TCR comes in tons of configurations so you can pick out the one that has the features you want most for your budget. You can prioritize weight all together, stiffness, disc breaks, carbon wheels, money as a whole or whatever you want. By far the best $/gram upgrade on any bike over $1000 is upgrading the skewers from quick release to titanium aero ones and the second best upgrade for me was to put super grippy pedals on it, for flats I run either Crank Bros Stamp, VP Vice or Xpedo Spry (look for pedals that you can replace the grip things with either grub screws or common machine screws, that makes it super convenient to replace them).

@silviosantapaola2825 5 років тому

David Figueroa Thats cool dude what do you think about making a video about it ?

@KevinColt 5 років тому

how can i love something if i dont? I love X but I can only afford Y. how can I love Y if I love X? I have a better idea: buy what you love, and worry about how you can afford it later. you will live much happier and motivate you to afford better things.

@wjcooke7762 5 років тому

Kevin Colt How much is the finance on your Ferrari?

@ijustride 5 років тому

One of best feelings in the world is passing the guy on his $15k bike while riding my bike which cost just $1k.

@rizkiabraham 2 роки тому

I’ve seen a rider with $900 bike pulling dogma f12 , madone, and tarmac sl 😂

@KermitFrogThe 2 роки тому

A lot of it is the rider. I used to commute past the aerodrome in Manchester and used to enjoy passing some people on serious bikes as they rode there and of course being passed by others then trying to keep up. One I will always remember was being passed by one guy where by the time I had considered trying to catch him he was too far ahead. We could have switched bikes, he would still have totally blitzed me.

@pphedup 2 роки тому

And beating him

@red2lucas 2 роки тому

You don’t know anything about them though. Are they on a 150k ride? Is this their 6th ride in a row? Is it a recovery ride? Are they coming back after an injury? Did they just finish a sprint? Riding past someone doesn’t mean anything.

@Northwindbreeze 2 роки тому

Yeah for the rookies. Riding an expensive bike offers a ride level that one can't compare. The person riding the expensive bike could be just enjoying his ride, doing some extensive endurance and (like happens when one drives an awesome car) enjoyment speaks volume, not bothering to push the pedals hard all the time.

@drewfalkenburg6808 6 років тому

Better way than spending $10k+ on a super bike to climb faster...drop that extra 10 lbs you ride with around your waist. Hills hurt, but couch kills.

@sevenrats 4 роки тому

This is more true than most people realize. It increases your VO2 Max, Decreases O2 consumption, increases watts per kilo, and decrease nutritional demand. In other words, all that fat is not just like carrying a bag of sand around, it actually has physiologic requirements that steal from your muscles.

@sevenrats 4 роки тому

It's after you lose the weight that you REALLY will want a lighter bike.

@OllyShawlive 3 роки тому

yep 100%

@Trdat 3 роки тому

Just spend more money on quality EPO.

@pappie_joppie 3 роки тому

I'm 14 and this is deep

@fggfyygg 6 років тому

Everyone knows; it’s the colour of the bike that’s the most important factor! 😀 🚲

@123revizor 5 років тому

Girls just wanna have fun ;-D

@seven9766 5 років тому

red means faster read the rules

@hughonabike 5 років тому

Black bikes look better in the shade.

@neo_geo_ 4 роки тому

How very true I paid every for red

@ajchaskar 4 роки тому

Checkout the 'Purple flip' color on Trek Emonda ALR5 and tell me if you don't fall in love, you're welcome 😉

@jhughesdon3 6 років тому

Matt showing his true cycling pedigree by having small, shaking arms whilst holding an 8.9kg bike!

@gcn 6 років тому

🤣

@frettwalker351 5 років тому

Lol that's what I thought

@korsveien 4 роки тому

That’s why a pro bike is under 7 kg. Else the pro will get stranded if his bike falls over.

@gromm93 4 роки тому

I resemble that remark. But I also like to think that my body was made for endurance, not heavy lifting.

@johnbarron4265 2 роки тому

Specialization at its finest.

@tkaakko2416 6 років тому

This just confirms what I've always suspected. And the thing to notice is that most people are not nearly as strong cyclists as you guys are, so the difference is even smaller. I suppose that's a bad thing to bike manufacturers, but for ordinary people it's just a good thing. They can buy a "cheap" road bike with confidence and it's going to be 90% as good as the most expensive super bikes out there. So instead of buying an expensive bike, get a mid-range bike and spend money on good shoes and clothes and saddle. I'm pretty sure that good and snazzy clothes will make a much bigger difference to the level of enjoyment than getting a more expensive bike. See you on the road!

@Thomas-tf4cm 5 років тому

Exactly.

@kentwong3818 4 роки тому

the "Gains" are on a long stage race that's over 2 hours. A 4% gain on a 2 hour ride is huge, which is 10 mins. Kinda insane on a race. For the everyday person or people in group rides that are no drop? There's no point :P

@Opeth115 4 роки тому

@@kentwong3818 But that 4% gain is totally dependent upon the rider. These guys at GCN are very strong cyclists; Everyday cyclists, even ones who compete, unless they are pro in some fashion, wont be able to ride like them, so their improvement is most likely even less than 4%.

@bwint7234 4 роки тому

Wouldn't that mean they impact would be even bigger? Ie if I'm a weak biker, then not having to carry the extra 2kg over the ride is going to have an even greater impact when compared to a pro who trains to their max all the time.

@dougholtby3035 4 роки тому

98%.....

@korsveien 4 роки тому

I can see the problem of heavy bikes in the beginning. Lifting 9 kg with one arm obviously is the limit for a cyclist.

@jackfederski7646 4 роки тому

At least a roadie. A mountain biker should be able to lift that.

@matthewperkins3186 4 роки тому

Tru

@4nz-nl 4 роки тому

Hahaha :-) Lifting 22 here on one arm without problems (yes, a bike). But I'm not as aerodynamic as these guys :-)

@nickacelvn 4 роки тому

@@jackfederski7646 A propper mountain biker will lift it many times over 17 times and rip a lot of shit up.

@jamesbunda806 4 роки тому

Jack Feder SKI *sprinter

@ashaw1016 6 років тому

It's impressive the level of polish you bring to a video.... This is visually and audibly Top Gear level, no mean feat for a UKposts channel. Not to mention your banter and crack seems a lot less forced

@gcn 6 років тому

Thanks, it is great to hear such awesome feedback!

@bjovers1 6 років тому

Agree 100% it's like a BBC production.

@sarethums 6 років тому

Thats where attention is now. I know itv producers that are leaving their job and heading to yt etc.

@kajet666 6 років тому

100% correct

@ArtyYooo 6 років тому

A Shaw 101 sonically*

@TheKeylor107 6 років тому

I ride both an S-Works Venge w/Ultegra and a Roubaix SL2 with 105 and I love both but this got me thinking if I wasted money. Good thing my wife was in the other room when I watched this.

@nanezferrer3565 4 роки тому

ahahaahha

@nigelbrown4309 4 роки тому

yes you did....they're specialized bikes after all :-)

@nanezferrer3565 4 роки тому

will they last for 5 years and above ? or they will get clanky ?

@alinutzalin6346 4 роки тому

@@nanezferrer3565 I had my S works for 10 years. The only thing it got "clanky" is the external cables. At least is easier to change them once a decade.

@nanezferrer3565 4 роки тому

@@alinutzalin6346 what s works you have and year model ?

@Cyclingmasterseller 5 років тому

Also I must add, you guys put on a very professional, mature, educational videos. Very much appreciated. The best on the web by far!

@bjm2762 3 роки тому

I'd rather have a mid range bike so that when I come last to the cafe I still have an excuse. No excuses on a super duper bike

@jimmerjohn9524 6 років тому

Now THIS was insightful and a more realistic question that a normal buyer would be asking. THANK YOU.

@gcn 6 років тому

Cheers Jimmer, glad you enjoyed the video!

@latsotsimbala5352 4 роки тому

and either way you gonna shell out that extra for no nonsense 8sec advantage... promotion paid

@justinofelipeimbert4694 4 роки тому

@@latsotsimbala5352 people care about those 5 secs bro

@LukezyM 3 роки тому

There’s no gains for an average cyclist. It’s just the look that’s appealing. And the feeling you’re riding a “pro cycling” gear..

@kiffest 4 роки тому

This is really disappointing, I’ve been blaming the bike for years and now I’ve got no excuse, also no need for the upgrade I’ve been frothing over for ages.

@paul_hd1875 4 роки тому

kiffest Feel is a big part of it. I snagged a 2020 Roubaix Comp this year, and despite all the “more aero than ____” talk from Specialized there wasn’t much of a comparison to my Tarmac SL6 Expert. A race bike will always give you that visceral speed feeling, over a more forgiving endurance bike. Also, gearing is huge... a 11/30 vs a 11/34 which free spins on a decent. Endurance bikes can feel too easy. Personally I think a $4-5K full carbon race bike is a sweet spot for any cyclist. It’s a trim typically that you’ll feel good about, be able to brag about here and there, and would require very little extra cash to upgrade. They’re also typically spec’d with Ultegra, which is all any cyclist really needs.

@LukezyM 3 роки тому

@@paul_hd1875 You’re so wrong man🙂 An average cyclist doesn’t need a 4-5 k bike. It’s overkill. Comfort is the most important aspect for an average rider. So endurance bike for sure. Also 105 groupset is plenty enough. I wouldn’t recommend a bike that’s more than 2-2.5k. Everything above that is for racing purposes.

@wazirtan6801 3 роки тому

😂,well a lightestbike though

@patthonsirilim5739 3 роки тому

@@LukezyM not to mention 105 is far cheaper to service and there cassete last longer and the slightly heavier alu rims tend to be far more durable that those racing carbon rims got a felt ar1 with durace di2 and fulcrum Racing Quattro Carbon Clincher 7.2kg bike legit uci level race bike got hook on the bling and crazed after awhile sold it at a massive lost never had any fun on that stupid thing far to expensive not even that comfortable that stupid bike made me want to give up cycling the shitty road shoes are imposible to walk on until i to this old dude who been riding for ages and looks like his having far more fun then me on old bike with a group set god knows from what era he told me to just get a decent bike and spend the rest on group rides and riding trips so i got myself a decent brushed stainless vintage looking chromoly steel frame bike because i like the look with 105 and rs330 clinchers with xtr clipless pedal and mtb shoes and honestly i have far more fun on that vintage looking bike that my race bike i got the whole bike plus equipment for probably less then the wheels on felt ar1 that steel bike took the road like a champ pot holes bump did not faze the rs330 at all sure its a bit heavy but the comfort and the knowledge that its rock solid is truly a good peace of mind.

@LukezyM 3 роки тому

@@patthonsirilim5739 “just get a decent bike and spend the rest on group rides and riding trips” - good tip👍

@MrDadati2007 5 років тому

Hi GCN. Please try out a comparison on an old super bike, aerotype with ultegra- durace 10 speeds to a new super bike aero with 11 speed groupsets. Then check difference. That's cool right? Regards

@ClemensAlive 4 роки тому

Their arguement is perfect. Mid-Range give you the most bike for your money. But getting to pro level - a 2.5min difference each hour is the difference between a pro and an amateur. Or between going home in the yellow jersey or beeing No. 25 on that day - if not even worse.

@TEYRIS01 3 роки тому

It is on a very steep road. On a flat road, pro or not, one kg dont make any difference. Only aerodynamics and pressure inside the tyres. But aerodynamics is 99% your body position on a UCI bike (without aerodymics helmet, disk wheel ... ) On a 6-8% road, the difference will be very small, espicially for a pro who is quite quick on a moderate slop (so aerodynamic is an important part) On a pro level it maybe more 30 sec / hour on a race like liege / bastogne / liege. Yes of course it make an huge difference for a pro. For an amateur, whatever his level, it is nothing.

@s1mpleniko488 3 роки тому

@@TEYRIS01 well said

@dimksr1875 3 роки тому

@@TEYRIS01 X xx X dk32

@gimmigimmigimmi 3 роки тому

2.5 min difference each hour is not the difference between the average pro and the average amateur lol

@cccycling5835 2 роки тому

Racing helps improve components and the trickle down technology means that Shimano Claris is as good as Dura-Ace from 15 years before. (edit well maybe 20 years or 105) Full carbon forks and excellent race tested geometry on entry level bikes. Good if you’re like me and only buys a bike after every ten years.

@jasonneubert5575 6 років тому

I do love these comparisons. I’d love to see a comparison of a super bike today vs say a 5 year-old super bike. I purchased mine used for 1/5 the cost of a new and think it’s just as good as a brand new one.

@tchilp 6 років тому

In one of the top german roadbike magazines "tour", I recently read that a current mid range bike of about 3000 € is technically and qualitatively "worlds above" a ten year old bike of a pro team and I tend to believe that.

@CoreyBrass 5 років тому

I'd like to see something like that too...or a midrange of 5 years ago vs a midrange today.

@paulhaynes4370 5 років тому

Me too, I buy 3 year old super bikes and 3 year old cars

@Niaaal 4 роки тому

I'd definitely like that too, but I'm pretty sure the show's sponsors wouldn't really be keen on that one ;)

@amramweismann6162 4 роки тому

@@tchilp i have bought an endurace CF a year ago from the Canyon outlet and find them much better then my 10 years old AG2R pro team bike so i agree with the review they are world better

@garciaoneris 6 років тому

those 5 minutes faster to get to the coffee shop... I'll save them drafting behind the superbike lol

@TJuice1986 5 років тому

I have a 2018 Giant Contend 1 with shamino Sora components and I absolutely love it.

@julianroffman6483 6 років тому

I've been riding a Specialized Allez Elite for my trainings since december. It's one of the best bikes I've ever riden... It feels fast, it's very fun to ride and it climbs really well and descends with no major problems.

@Pratalax 6 років тому

Really quite surprised at how close it was, especially on the TT, considering the shallow rims and much taller headtube - I guess you guys are just that disciplined about where you put your body regardless of where the bike might want you to put it. I know you get a lot of flak for unscientific tests but this more qualitative feedback is still super useful, especially when the margins are small. It's apparent that a lot of cycling is about feeling, and what this has made me feel is a lot better about the mid-range bike - especially making me feel more accountable about my performance on it, which i think is actually empowering. TL;DR - nice vid, see you in the geek corner.

@gcn 6 років тому

Thanks Pratalax - hope you like the geek video 👓

@lenolenoleno 6 років тому

This is a brilliant comment.

@hutchmusic-ux5mi 5 років тому

Great comment.

@petinka721 6 років тому

I have an instep bike with Sora gears for road and I will surely bye an aero bike in future but that is not important do quickly since I have a lot to do with the engine :). If I have to hurry to bye a new bike I will lost the pleasure see bikes on different event and bikes for sale. Most important are that I feel I sit well and ride is fun with the most different bikes. That is using your legs and in same time see the nature with different seasons in different weather who make you happy. That is cotton wool for your soul do that and especially with a clean bike and a new lubricated chain. Thanks GCN! You are best!

@gcn 6 років тому

Thanks Petinka!

@clovislfrc9881 6 років тому

Yeah that's definitely true. It kinda takes away the thrill doesnt it

@alsin1597 5 років тому

buy*

@BerkeMenevse 5 років тому

+1 for this comment. My bike is equipped with Altus 3x9 and M355 brakes (14 kilos). My mates bike is equipped with SLX M675 3x10 and Deore brakes (12 kilos). I can follow him on straights easily. And the important thing: We're both having fun!

@GidoThePirate 4 роки тому

Thank You sirs! This video helped me decide to my first road bike. Yesterday I received the Endurace AL 7.0.20 in Race Red colour. Now I wait for the summer and putting the bike out on the roads.

@thisApex3D 5 років тому

Conclusion, we want aeroad, but since I am not pro, I will go for endurance and I will be happy to have awesome bike too

@ins1demanwhitaker527 6 років тому

I could save up for a superbike but it's still got my fat ass weighing it down 😂😂😂

@tomshield9730 6 років тому

Confirmation bias:. No one drops that extra money, gets on the superbike and thinks "well this isn't worth it."

@Alex-vq9vj 5 років тому

Sometimes people do however: last few weeks I've been looking for preowned bikes on Ebay - as well as new ones on the Canyon and Rose sites, and in person at the Canyon showroom in Koblenz - for my first road bike. I've actually come across 2 superbike adverts where the sellers explicitly stated that they didn't feel a marked difference to their previous less high-end bikes and wanted to go back! One stated he already bought the newest model of his previous ride, even before selling off the €8.000+-superbike. And a third ad outright admitted that they bought into a hype about new tech he didn't actually value riding in practice, thus downgrading again... Technical term would be buyer's remorse, the high-end variant 😂

@bluemystic7501 5 років тому

I think people actually scrutinize MORE when they're on an expensive bike. You can't just throw a big price tag on something and then THINK it performs well. It actually has to perform well.

@Umetnik Рік тому

Let me punch in an amatuer view. I use my bike for cardio a few days a week. The jump from an average 500€ bike to a cca. 1500€ road bike is amazing. So responsive, light and fast. I got a Giant Contend SL1 disc, fell in love on a first ride. It blew my mind how much faster u go trough inclines and straights. It rewards every bit of your effort you put in. It feels so rewarding, especially after a steep slope. The fast descent is amazing, the speed you gain when you tuck in is so exhilarating. For me best cardio workout you can get.

@klarkolofsson 4 роки тому

Re-watching old GCN videos with Matt Stephens in them :')

@roqueeduardodapper2841 6 років тому

Congratulations! Very good job! Very impressive the results!

@vincentcampagna3254 6 років тому

Finaly the video that most of us have been waiting for :)

@gcn 6 років тому

Hope you like this one!

@malcolmwalker33 5 років тому

That was one of the best, if not the best episodes, you've done. I think it vindicates my decision to buy a low/mid range Specialized Venge which has given me the aerodynamic frame and a pretty good group set without spending ridiculous amounts of money. It also explains why I don't feel that much slower on my aluminium framed Moda (which I love).

@keithcsinclair 5 років тому

Great work Matt and Simon, an excellent test and using power to measure the differences is the best way to do it. Net result, buy the bike you can afford and enjoy it.

@SwedishHouseFifa 6 років тому

I can tell already after 1 min and 22 sec that the editing is sick, love it GCN!

@gcn 6 років тому

Thanks SwedishHouseFifa!

@jdr4307 6 років тому

SwedishHouseFifa so true bro

@fjodorlindstrom2601 5 років тому

Man kommer ihåg dina fifa videos ;)

@melissasoto9769 6 років тому

Love this vid, particularly as I’ve had my Canyon WMN Endurace AL for about 2 months and I adore it. Of course I would have loved the carbon Ultimate but alas it is not now nor likely ever in the budget for me. So pleased with my purchase and even more so now seeing as the performance difference isn’t all that much!

@julienholmgren1543 Рік тому

how do you like it four years after this comment? I bought my first road bike once month ago; Trek emonda SL 5; love it!

@adamkubiak1933 5 років тому

Extremely useful review. As I have the Al 7.0 on my shortlist, I learned that there is a difference in geometry between the disc and rim brakes version. So, around 7:45 you are discussing the comfort and position on the bikes the differences stem (pun intended) from differences in geometry, not the place bikes occupy on the ladder;-).

@philliphills6366 5 років тому

Great video chaps. That Draycott hill is a 'beast' so hats off to two flat out attempts!

@luckysi2710 6 років тому

Love the alloyz,, Thanks Si & Matt.

@LifoGifo 6 років тому

Great video guys! Especially for someone who just got their Endurace AL 7.0 in red 3 days ago :)))

@gcn 6 років тому

Nice timing!

@ugastronomie1237 6 років тому

I love that bike and i really really wish to buy one. But i think im gonna go for al 6.0 bcz im low on budget, what do you think about al 6.0?

@LifoGifo 6 років тому

mother trucker i haven't got any experience with tiagra (the groupset is the only difference to the 7.0), but i believe that it shouldn't be too bad. the brakes are good, it's only 10 speed and the shifting isn't quite as smooth as 105. but all in all, it is a great deal.

@nickrogers6441 6 років тому

Tiagra is a good groupset. Ride it, wear it out and then replace with 105 should you wish to upgrade.

@alfredstimoli2590 6 років тому

KingPlayer471 I've got the 2017 model AL 7.0 Disc which has an Ultegra 6800 groupset. To make matters confusing for 2018 model has been renamed as the AL 8.0 Disc with the Ultegra 8000 groupset. Would have thought this model would have been a better comparison especially with the braking.

@mikespringer7894 6 років тому

Such a great video thanks for the breakdown in comparison of the 2 bikes

@markmoroney8125 4 роки тому

great video lads as always. I agree the differential in quality is not much once you pass a certain bike price point!

@DrewministryofManip 6 років тому

Great video. Thanks. I'd be fascinated to see you do a test with a few different tires. I'm going to guess that there is about 7 watts difference in the tires between these 2 bikes. That would account for most of that difference.

@takindumps 6 років тому

I totally get what you guys mean by the "feel" of the bike! I just recently bought my first mid-range bike (a trek domane alr) and the staff let me have a go on the domane slr 8... holy cow does it feel good. It just felt like every piece of it was there just to help you cycle better

@fernandoespinosa3403 4 роки тому

Great video guys. I really like your objectivity when comparing options.

@eastcoastvisions1077 5 років тому

Great video guys, highlighting very nicely what we all suspected. Always seems that buying a second hand decent mid range bike and adding some more high quality components will put you right at the point at which you've got enough of the 'good feel' of the super bike and can still afford the coffee & the cake..!

@clovislfrc9881 6 років тому

16:18 Simon has an Adventure Time mug. I feel satisfied.

@BoxCarBoy12 6 років тому

Nothing new here - the biggest difference between a super bike and a midrange home is in how it feels to ride, while the performance gains are negligible. Personally I like to take advantage of this by riding a midrange bike, since it's twice as fun to be fit and kick the butts of people riding super bikes on a cheaper bike!

@sergarlantyrell7847 6 років тому

2.5mins/hr isn't negligible. In a sport like F1, that would be like being lapped 2 or 3 times in a length of the race.

@SamuelNewham 6 років тому

Ser Gerlan Tyrell well it's a bloody good thing cycling isn't formula 1 then.

@johnryal 6 років тому

Ser Garlan Tyrell but how often are you going to be riding all out 2.5 hours to see the difference?

@sergarlantyrell7847 6 років тому

You don't have to be going all out for that to make a difference. 4% or whatever the margin was will scale to whatever effort you are putting in (apparently for a club ride, that's 5 mins over 2 hrs). After all, if you're spending over £6k on a bike like that, you're probably pretty serious and care about either Strava or racing where these sort of margins matter. and fyi, F1 races are typically about 1.5 hrs long and are a good analogue for time-based margins as it's quite easy to visualize.

@Alex-vq9vj 5 років тому

For pros it absolutely is. Someone whose profession includes competing in the Tour de France or Giro de Italia would be a moron to prefer mid-range to customized top of the line bikes. But - how many people actually earrn their livelyhood cycling? And racing only - not sales, mechanic, bike tour guide where it again wouldn't be relevant! Probably even less numbers than rare Formula drivers...

@plthatfunkymusic 6 років тому

Great video, thanks. Would like to see the same for £2k/£3k bike, although I suspect at some point the differences become too small to be reliable - although that said, I think the point where it's tough to measure the difference is the most interesting price point to know...

@maxyakov273 6 років тому

Great comparison and witty post-test discussion. Thoroughly enjoyed!

@andrewlogan9556 6 років тому

Would like to see the time differences for the descents

@robbchastain3036 6 років тому

Thanks,Matt and Si, great to see not much of a gap in performance between these two bikes and I actually prefer the looks of the compact frame, so give me the Endurace and I'll use the extra bucks to buy some parts, not that I dislike the high-dollar bike. And this brings to mind what American guys in the 1950s were doing as post-war prosperity meant their parents were ditching their old cars to buy new ones and all of a sudden, guys were making hot rods out of old Lincolns and Fords and Chevys--just bolt on some new parts and give it a fancy paint job and all of a sudden, you had a race car or a custom car or just something to show off and impress your friends and all the ladies--or at least try :)

@DoctorMotorcycle 4 роки тому

Bravo, the quality of content on this channel and the amount of value one can get from these videos cannot be matched as it pertains to cycling.

@gcn 4 роки тому

Thanks J

@Nathan-tg4gu 5 років тому

These results don't surprise me at all. There's a phenomenon in pretty much every industry where the ratio of marginal gains in quality to extra dollars spent decreases as you go into the higher price brackets. Or in more mathy terms, the second derivative of a graph of quality to price is always negative (though the first derivative is hypothetically always positive). This phenomenon is true when it comes to computers, musical instruments, cars, and indeed bikes. That's why luxury is, by its very nature, an inefficient usage of money, although most of us are willing to pursue it regardless. I say if you can afford the super bike, then go for it. You'll be paying more than what a motorcycle would cost, but if that's your dream machine, it's your right to buy it. For practical purposes, I'd stick with bikes definitely under a 2k budget.

@sebastianjost 2 роки тому

I wouldn't pay much for material, weight or marginal gains. But there are some features that only come at the higher end like various suspension systems or more gears. Spending more money to get those is quite justifyable for me. Though this raises the question when an improvement becomes a feature. I'd say on road bikes at 1500-2000$ you get most relevant features (good 11s shifting). On MTBs the bound is a bit higher as full suspension bikes are more expensive. In that case I'd set the limit at about 3k$

@ugastronomie1237 6 років тому

These videos are more likely what we need 👍👍

@cyclepak4263 6 років тому

mother trucker. Ya I like these videos too. Check out a video I did a few months back. ukposts.info/have/v-deo/hmSLhXiuq3ihrmw.html

@TheLongboarder77 6 років тому

Great film guys. The £100 bike test was fun but this one is super good. I'm holding out for the new 105 and will be upgrading my Alu bike. I will buy a car with my super bike budget!

@gcn 6 років тому

Great to hear Scott!

@SurfWash89 6 років тому

Hi guys, I have a used bike business and i have ridden about 50 different bike from from the last decade. Mostly midrange and h- end but 5 years or older. I think the best buy is a super bike from a few years ago versus a new mid range. I bought a trek madone from 2008 thats weighs 15.5 lbs i paid 600 dollars. New it was 4500 dollars. It crushes it. Dura-ace everything. Carbon crank. Even carbon bars. Thanks for the nice videos

@simoculito9980 5 років тому

Superb video! great content, in depth yet easy-to-understand explanations and excellent video editing. You got yourselves a new sub.

@Einhander49 6 років тому

Maaan, the music and editing is getting 10x better. Love you bros at gcn.

@gcn 6 років тому

Thanks Einhander49!

@joesfoot 4 роки тому

I think you should include a test on the resistance in the hubs. I found that my old cheap bike wouldn't coast as fast as a more expensive bike. This resistance adds up over the miles.

@henry623 6 років тому

Hi Si, that's a really good topic and the great discussion. I wonder if you could also make a video comparing old super bike(less say 5~10 years ago) vs the state-of-art super bike, to see what accurately did the industry achieve for the period. That would be a really good topic.

@JasonBerryOnFire 4 роки тому

That was a great video. I think you made a great case for BOTH a super bike and a mid-range. This shows why it makes a lot of sense to train on a mid-range and then pull out your super bike (or even your race wheels) on race day or any day that you want a little oomph. The really enlightening part of this was demonstrating with real numbers how inferior a low-end bike actually is. Great, great work and thank you!

@danielday7033 5 років тому

In short on should be extremely excited on how the mid level bike performed. What it tells us is that those that cannot afford a superbike can perhaps afford the next best thing. Moreover, swap out a few components and you narrow the gap between the 2 bikes even more. The question is: what was the price difference between the two bikes?

@vh7368 6 років тому

A video on the difference between an ultegra or 105 spec aero roadbike with cheaper less modulus carbon fibre vs a superbike would be interesting

@rothstock4254 4 роки тому

Thanks for making this video! Can feel good about any purchase.

@briandelisser8314 5 років тому

I love you guys! Thanks so much for this (and other) informative videos! My comment...wouldn't it be nice if I could go race my bike, then look at the race winner's equipment and compare an equivalent time based on upgrades. 5min over 2hrs is a great example. How about a carbon frame v.s. aluminum, maybe a couple groupset changes and of course wheels (with all other things constant). Out with cyclists and my hobby race bike it seems we all wonder just how much difference all the components make. On a side note it feels really good to best someone with lesser equipment 😎 Please keep up the good work!

@theylivewesee1674 6 років тому

15:35 well that just shows that it's not the difference between bikes but how much fitness does a cyclist have, Si beating Matt on 105 against Dura Ace aeroad although I'm sure Matt in his prime would beat Si's time

@D.Eldon_ 6 років тому

I think Matt touched on a significant parameter that was not measured: *ride feel or quality.* You can have two bikes that are equally fast but one "feels" better to ride than the other. It might feel stiffer when you're pouring on the watts while also damping road vibration at the same time. It might fit a little better, too. I'm all for "super bikes" and I hope someone will figure out how to better automate the manufacturing of frames and wheels with composite materials so their price will come down. Right now, my strategy is to buy the best used bike that I can afford. By buying "used", I'm able to afford a much higher caliber of bike than I could buy new. So far, all of my family's carbon bikes have been purchased used via eBay. We've been very careful and we've achieved great results. But you have to do your research and you have to exercise the discipline to avoid "deals" from untrustworthy sellers. If you're your own bike mechanic like I am, "used" is the way to go.

@RevoltingRudi 6 років тому

prices fall very fast for used bikes. so after 2 years a bike that once cost new 8k, will sell now at 2.5k used. buying used can spare a lot of money.

@williamrosenberg9206 5 років тому

But they acknowledged that they had not properly fit the mid grade bike, so feel would have been off on that bike anyway.

@andresvelasquez3971 4 роки тому

This helped out with the double guessing I had and if I purchased a good enough 1st bike. This helped alot and reinforced that this is to enjoy and get a family of 4 with all new bikes out of the house and off the couch. Great video

@manonaboat8515 5 років тому

Very helpful video :) glad manufacturers make some really good bikes at midrange level, I’m a recent college grad so not rich but not college student craigslist budget either

@pneves1975 5 років тому

I do not have a super bike, I currently own a BMC Roadmachine 02, which I find very good. I would, if I had the money lying around happily Ride a super bike instead of a mid range one for a single difference: feel. It just feels different for the better, makes you wanna push harder and have more fun. Yes, numbers are important, but riding is more about feel for me. Thanks for the video!

@suicillo23 6 років тому

I bought the endurace (exactly the one on your video) exactly for those reasons. It is my first roadbike and I really thought it had the overall best compromise for the price (what canyon is usually good at). So far really really happy with it , and I think I took the right coice. So for sure the more expensive superbikes are worth the money, but certainly for someone that is a lot into the sport, because otherwise somebody like me wouldn't appreciate the higher level of the bike. So i would definetely recomend the endurace to anyone willing to get a decet roadbike for an OK buget. Plus I personally think it has a very nice design and color. Great video guys!

@elian145 2 роки тому

Do you want to let us know wheter the bike was a good choice as an entry roadbike? I mean there certainly were some issues during the last 3 years. I'm in the same position as you at the time you wrote the comment, that's why I'm really interested in your long-term experiences c:

@suicillo23 2 роки тому

@@elian145 i still use it today and i love this bike. I am not a pro and that's why anything more expensive for me would be nonsense. I would mybe go for the discbrake one today. But i really love it and did not think of changing it. I swapped the casette for a 11-34 since as i said i am not a pro and wanted 1:1 ratio for climbing, but it's not something really needed. I really still think it nails the compromise and many friends have bought it after i recommended it to them.

@elian145 2 роки тому

@@suicillo23 Sounds great tbh... how far did you roughly ride the bike since you bought it? I usually ride mine 50 kilometer per week with some extra kilometers if the weather is good enough And the durability of the bike is good as well? If I would spend this much on a bike, it should last for many kilometers to be worth it thanks btw for the fast response, have a nice day and good riding c:

@dynothane300 Рік тому

the beeping sets this video apart and makes it memorable . TY

@johnnybegood9742 2 роки тому

Got to say, these two, and especially Si, are great presenters. Most likeable I've come across in ages. Great stuff

@ynslife 6 років тому

You guys forgot to mention the middle range bike has a threaded bottom bracket. And that beats any super bike feature

@hiro111 6 років тому

This is an EXCELLENT point.

@asdfgoogle 6 років тому

I'm new at this. What is the significance to that?

@Owwliv 6 років тому

Ease of replacement, ability to replace after it gets exposed to sweat & weather over the amount of time it takes to wear out a BB, (grease stays on threads better than it does with pressed in bearings) & the guarantee that with some gaffers tape & a strong arm you can prevent it from ever creaking.

@01072011 6 років тому

I had to read the comments here to know the significance of that point. Makes sense. But if you can afford a super bike, you can probably afford to take it to a shop if you don't want to do it yourself.

@PeakTorque 6 років тому

Such a good point.

@leoawrighton 6 років тому

I believe that a bike is a extension of the riders body and the rider should just get the bike that he or she wants whether it’s cheap or expensive Aero or light It’s completly down to personal likes and dislikes which can’t be explained by a stopwatch

@BlackFlag94 4 роки тому

I'm glad to see the differences are so slim. I'm looking at an equivalent bike to this as my first road bike and commuter.. I'm hearing good things!

@jerrygundecker743 4 роки тому

For me, fun is the most important factor. I could get along, very well, with the almost-super bike and have a delightful time going faster, riding harder than most people. But your points on coffee stops are well taken. Thanks for the work it took to make this video.

@andy888008800 6 років тому

BOOP BOOP BOOP BOOOOOOOOOP

@loriss3419 6 років тому

Andy Williams legendary

@renaissanceman2868 6 років тому

BEEP BEEP BEEP BOOOOOOOOOP

@Primarch_Vulkan 6 років тому

I would rather be 5min late to the cafe and have to buy more coffee than spend an extra 5k to save 5min.

@CarlForde 6 років тому

you can buy a lot of coffee for $5k

@MrYap123456 5 років тому

Time is everything

@antoniolandi2674 4 роки тому

gorgeous video. it is for this reason that I am subscribed to the cgn "global" channel even though, being Italian we have cgn italia. But this is not a problem, since I understand very well what you say in the videos, and watching them always makes me want to take the bike and go out, even if it is currently raining. I have an xc mtb not a superbike, but a decent bike. I have already focused on the 1 year canyon endurance category, and seeing this video I want to buy it even more. Congratulations again.

@StuartWalker1 5 років тому

Only just came across this vid now so a bit late to the party. Just wanted to say, whatever anyone's opinion on the bikes, I thought you guys presented the test really well so thanks very much for your work.

@erick_fernandez_78910 5 років тому

I think we overlooked my favorite thing about a super bike...namely, when pushed to the max, it responds beautifully for like an uphill 15+ percent sprint and any sprinting max power situation. So I think super strong riders might enjoy these benefits more. Think about it, wouldn’t you dream about riding a super bike while being at your best fitness?! Going zero to 30 as fast as possible is is way too much fun!

@andywharton5120 6 років тому

Great review guys, did I miss the actual results of the down hill or were they left out on purpose?

@billwayzata 5 років тому

Hard Work you all Do!

@blaireasdon 3 роки тому

Thanks for this fantastic video. Watched it at a great time - I was considering an Endurace AL 7 or a Merida Scultura, brought the Scultura (also a 105/rim brake kit), but still waiting to pick it up. Um’d and Ahh’d about what level bike to get for a first road bike - this video helped instil a lot of confidence that I’ve purchased well, not too much nor too little for a first bike. Ideally it should last me a long time, and helped reduce the need to spend more on another bike anytime soon!

@ddong0102 6 років тому

My bike is not even mid-range bike but it’s “cheap” bike which is Cannondale bike with Tiagra groupset. I just love my bike regardless of design and weight. Hoping to get upgrade soon but for next few years, i m going to stick on my bike! And ALWAYS thanks to GCN for uploading loads of videos full of informations.

@gcn 6 років тому

Cheers Kyle, we really appreciate your support!

@krneki111 5 років тому

My girlfriend rides a giant defy 2 with tiagra 4700. I gave her a decent set of DT Swiss wheels and the bike is a bomb to ride. ;)

@Kibbs17 6 років тому

Thanks for all the great videos. It seems that unless you're an elite athlete or at least semi-professional, a mid range bike will do all the things you want it to do and is a great value for the money.

@carlosvan21 Рік тому

I remember watching this when it first came out and ended up buying a second hand carbon bike and spent extra money on decent wheels ..... looking back at my level I feel this was the correct decision.... Great video

@dr.plinioferraz7212 6 років тому

Excelent show as always!! Brazilian#1fan!!

@juanmanuelconchagarcia5843 5 років тому

Because of this video I bought the Endurace Al 7.0... works amazingly

@maxnits9556 4 роки тому

Actually this is the best comment here by far.

@morgan3359 4 роки тому

I have a sneaking suspicion that this was one of the side objectives of the video, excellent comparison though it is :)

@sylvainbernaers 4 роки тому

slam the stem and you have a superbike

@luisegilmartinez2828 3 роки тому

How is going the 7.0 after a year??

@crazydude9496 3 роки тому

@@prasannaJayaraman kya mee too?

@deecee9251 4 роки тому

I just upgraded my 2015 Giant TCR Advanced 2, for a 2019 Merida Reacto 8000e, and the difference is enormous! The difference from mechanical shifting to Di2 is well worth the extra $$, and the aero aspect - freewheeling downhill on the same hill, the Reacto is 10km\h faster (40km\h vs 50km\h), and on the same 80km ride saved over 40min on the Merida.

@LPM84. 5 років тому

Fantastic video and bike comparison!♥️you guys! Just to further the comparison. It Would be interesting to see how they would compare if the mid range bike had a lighter/deeper carbon wheelset, carbon seat post, and carbon bars. Most of which can be purchased 2nd hand, and on the cheap. Especially since these are common upgrade for most people. I did the same to my mid range bike for less than a grand.

@SoyJayP 4 роки тому

Great. This is the last video I needed to click the order button for “Specialized Alles Elite”. I think I will love it 😍

@Vandenbos717 6 років тому

You guys upped your video editing game lately!! Matt!!MATT!!MAAATTTTTTT!!!!

@gcn 6 років тому

Haha, thanks Robbert

@noedelacroix9207 6 років тому

Dura-ace is rly light coz it empty ur wallet so mean less weight ti carry

@art.mfi.3603 6 років тому

Noe De la Croix Ahah this comment made me crack

@marcuswong1797 5 років тому

haha good one! but for DA.. i would need to use my credit card.. so my wallet be same weight... empty haha

@virginallosaure8929 4 роки тому

Thanks for this experience bcz I was wondering about that!!

@birusaha 5 років тому

I love your channel guys. I never heard of Canyon prior to your videos, but now I am super excited to order one. Just waiting for their hotline to become available on Monday. It's a shame that they don't have customer service on saturdays.

@royphilippines2119 4 роки тому

Interesting and insightful test! I wonder how much closer the gap would be if the Endurace was fitted with the Dura Ace and deep section carbon wheels... Hmmm...

@mikew9743 4 роки тому

Would be very close indeed But top grade stiffer carbob frame gonna be more fun Also once you add the cost of di2 9170 and dura ace c40 the mid range bike gonna be around 3/5 to 2/3 cost of superbike

@peebee1357 6 років тому

It’s the bike and rider , there’s so much more to it than ride performance, I can spend hours looking at pro level bikes , love it and don’t feel rubbish that I can’t afford it . I can also ride my £1000 gravel bike for hours a love it just the same .

@jimdennison 6 років тому

peebee1357 it’s mainly the rider 🙂 I have a £1000 bike and borrowed my kids £300 bike while mine was in for servicing. Still had a great blast on it and was still quick. Let’s be honest the 3% performance benefit of a bike costing £5000 more means that plenty of guys on £1000 bikes will leave those on superbikes in the weeds