Installing Shimano 12 Speed Di2 Road Lever Firmware Updates with PC Link Device (SM-PCE02)
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День томуAll current model Shimano 12 speed 'wireless' hydraulic levers (ST-R9270, ST-R8170, and ST-R7170) can only have their firmware updated using a WIRED connection at this point in time. There are two methods of getting this done with the DuraAce and Ultegra levers, and only one method with the new 105 Di2 levers. In this video I break out the expensive SM-PCE02 and perform a firmware update on my ST-R8170 Ultegra Di2 levers with the E-Tube Project Professional software.
Links:
Rides of Japan (BHS) 12spd Lever Update Video: • Dura Ace 12speed Firmw...
SHIMANO SM-PCE02-B3 Di2 PC Linkage Device (Amazon): amzn.to/3XnNuvh
SHIMANO EW-AD305 Conversion Adaptor (Amazon): amzn.to/3GYEAir
BetterShifting.com: bit.ly/3zZ8hfI
Ultegra Di2 Upgrade Project Part I: • Shimano Ultegra Di2 12...
Ultegra Di2 Upgrade Project Part II: • Shimano Ultegra Di2 12...
Ultegra Di2 Upgrade Project Part III: • Shimano Ultegra Di2 12...
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Tools Used in My Ultegra R8170 Upgrade Project:
SHIMANO TL-BH62 Disc Brake Hose Cutter: amzn.to/3SWfuoh
Park Tool IR-1.2 Internal Cable Routing Kit: amzn.to/3Caa5UM
Feedback Sports T-Handle Wrench Set: amzn.to/3QSv1DJ
SHIMANO Workshop TL-BR002 Bleed kit : amzn.to/3c6DAMx
Shimano ST-R Funnel Adapter: amzn.to/3zYFved
PRO Shimano Torque Wrench: amzn.to/3waT3SK
BBB BTL-55 Chain Rivet Tool: amzn.to/3pnN6xM
InstaPot Pressure Cooker: amzn.to/3pqkxA0
SIlca Hot Melt Wax: amzn.to/3K7rRtW
PRO BIKE TOOL Cassette Lock Ring Tool: amzn.to/3wa2HoC
Feedback Sports: SPRINT Repair Stand: amzn.to/3dBTTkN
Parts/Equipment Used:
Chain: CN-M9100 w/ Quick Link: amzn.to/3Q9gPXm
Cassette: CS-R8100-12 11-30T: amzn.to/3SvjhbU
Chainset: FC-R8100 52-36 172.5mm: amzn.to/3dcipJr
Levers + Callipers (x2): ST-R8170-L & ST-R8170-R: amzn.to/3Qo0spy
Front Derailleur: FD-R8150: amzn.to/3OVTE16
Rear Derailleur: RD-R8150: amzn.to/3Q137Wr
Disc Rotor: RT-MT900: 160mm amzn.to/3BIObI1
Disc Rotor: RT-MT900: 140mm amzn.to/3oXnUyg
Wheels Manufacturing BB86 Bottom Bracket: amzn.to/3prub5e
Battery: BT-DN300: amzn.to/3Q3NYna
Charging Cable: EW-EC300: amzn.to/3QgPDoU
Di2 Wires (x2): EW-SD300-I 1400mm & 750mm: amzn.to/3QoRKqK
Di2 SD300 Cable Tool: TL-EW300 amzn.to/3OZJ5dh
Cassette No 2: CS-R8100-12 11-30T amzn.to/3SvjhbU
Video Index:
0:00 Intro
0:14 Why Update Firmware?
0:31 Di2 12spd Levers Only Update Over The Wire
0:44 Method 1 - Connect Levers to Di2 System
1:07 Method 2 - PC Link Device (SM-PCE02)
1:33 Installing E-Tube Project Professional
2:18 Starting E-Tube Project Professional
2:32 PC Link USB Connection
2:42 Ultegra Di2 R8170 Lever Firmware Upgrade
5:32 DuraAce Di2 R9150 Lever Firmware Upgrade and Diagnostic
7:09 Wrap Up
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@BetterShifting Рік тому
Nice! Another Di2 video! Looking good! Personally, I suspect that you can update the 105 levers just like the Ultegra ones. Either using the SM-PCE02, or by wiring them to the rest of the system. I just haven't been able to test that myself yet, since I don't have ST-R7170 at home to play with and there are no updates for ST-R7170 yet. The reason Shimano say you can only use ST-R7170 wireless is because the SD300 port on them is on the side, and running them wired would mean poking a wire through the hood cover 🤣. I bet they'll let you update them through the app if you wire them to the system though. But yeah... let's wait and see :). It's also good to know that there are TWO versions of the SM-PCE02. An older one, with only the EW-SD50 wire, and a more recent version with both SD50 and SD300 wires. Shane has the more recent version. If you have the older one, you cannot just plug that into a 12-speed lever, since the SD50 plug won't fit. You would need either the EW-AD305 adapter + EW-SD300 wire, OR the new SD300 type link cable for the SM-PCE02. The part number for that last one is Y79M9801T
@BetterShifting Рік тому
Also... if you're thinking of buying the new SM-PCE02 link cable.... using the EW-AD305 adapter and EW-SD300 wire is A LOT cheaper. :)
@saurabhmittal8237 Рік тому
I got my PCE-02 yesterday and it only came with SD300 cable, maybe they have a 3rd version?
@BetterShifting Рік тому
@@saurabhmittal8237 interesting! I guess they’re slowly phasing out the older ones 😅
@weihuang0 10 місяців тому
I can confirm 105 levers can be updated by wiring to the system just like ultegra. I just did it.
@BetterShifting 10 місяців тому
@@weihuang0 woo!
@SnappyWasHere Рік тому
Every Shimano video you make reinforces my SRAM love. This seems silly in 2023 to have to do this.
@ridesofjapan Рік тому
Wires for everyone ✊ Thank you! I’m spoiled by the GPLama love 🙏
@BetterShifting Рік тому
PEACE!
@PowerRanger83 Рік тому
Little bit of a rant here.. is Shimano out of their mind? This little box has a 254.95 EUR (245.99 USD) MSRP and than it comes with an already outdated Micro-USB interface? Oh, and it is sold out everywhere across EU online shops. Being the only way to update the lowest tier 105 Di2 STIs doesn't make any sense to me? I am the only one here? What is the reason Shimano kicks the Di2 users in the nuts like that?
@galenkehler Рік тому
Just for lulz 😂
@VeloNippon Рік тому
And please be also buying Windows PC as there is no software available for macOS.
@PowerRanger83 Рік тому
@@VeloNippon Right! I was wondering why Shane was doing it on his Windows machine and not on his Mac. :grimacing:
@VeloNippon Рік тому
@@PowerRanger83 Shane is High Tech but Dear Shimano-san the average Joe would not have that option.
@thedownunderverse Рік тому
Yep, they’ve lost it. SRAM Apex AXS XPLR is gonna blow them out of the water.
@cleftoftherock6797 Рік тому
Excellent. I updated mine a few months ago with the SM-PCE02 and it worked great. This video helped as I totally forgot the steps. Nice refresher. Yes, a little ridiculous paying for the PCE02 as it's not cheap and building a wire with the tiny plugs but once you get the set up you're good to go. It runs about $250 to get all the parts but it's either that or bringing it to a bike shop. I would rather do this myself as the shop is selling bikes and fitting. Thanks again.
@euroswilliams7303 Рік тому
wireless kit that have to be wired to update 🤦♂ what a fail!
@gpsheepy Рік тому
It’s a “negative pass”… 😂
@matthewblue7839 Рік тому
$100s of usd in parts: kinda a non starter !:)
@johnbull-dev Рік тому
There are a lot of SRAM haters out there, but when it comes to updating the firmware, the fact that it does it wirelessly from the mobile app is a great advantage over the Di2. Or so it seems. I've never owned a Di2 groupset so it's me comparing my AXS groupsets to what I see others doing with their Di2.
@Aureas133 Рік тому
I prefer an actual working front derailleur over wireless updates.
@johnbull-dev Рік тому
@@Aureas133 ah well I can't deny that I've had my front derailleur swapped out by SRAM. It was out of warranty but they still sorted it all out for me.
@kimwarner6050 Рік тому
I agreed just got another scram axs groupo for a titanium build. Best of all it only cost 700 bucks
@thedownunderverse Рік тому
@@Aureas133 The FD is dead
@Aureas133 Рік тому
@@thedownunderverse Name one pro- or worldtour team without FD. (which hasnt gone bust like 3T)
@ayowser01 Рік тому
The more I learn about Di2, the more I look forward to 12s 105.
@gplama Рік тому
I really hope that lands with killer pricing.....
@thedownunderverse Рік тому
You mean mechanical?
@BetterShifting Рік тому
So... I spoke to Shimano a couple of months ago and asked them about the 'wireless' updates. At that time they told me that future updates _would_ be wireless, without the need to wire the shift levers to the rest of the bike. Two weeks later Shimano released another update, and again this update required a wired connection. So... eventually there may be wireless updates. But it seems even Shimano doesn't know for sure :)
@bikingchupei2447 Місяць тому
fast forward 2024, still need wires.
@BetterShifting Місяць тому
@@bikingchupei2447 considering that the last shifter update is from March 30 2023 (the one I referenced in the comment you're replying to)... it's not surprising that it still needs wires :). (I don't think they'll ever change that though, unfortunately)
@bikingchupei2447 Місяць тому
my thoughts too.@@BetterShifting
@BetterShifting Місяць тому
@@bikingchupei2447 I'm also wondering what they're planning when it comes to replacing broken 11-speed parts... they're becoming rare and hard to get, but they do break every now and then..
@roly5250 6 місяців тому
Thank you for that. 👍👋
@hamishosborne8740 Рік тому
As always, great video... and I don't even have Di2. But Shimano seems to make this overly complicated vs Sram. My AXS stuff just seems so straight forward comparatively?
@the-carbonist Рік тому
Hi GP Lama - on one of your last videos you mentioned about life of the system battery being shorter on 12 speed compared to 11. It would be interesting to do a comparison of 12 speed as wired, to see if battery life is similar to 11? What do you think ? Good content for a video?
@stevenwolfe1527 Рік тому
Great video. Can you list the components I need to hardwire my ultegra 8170 shifters to the battery? Looks like there needs to be an adapter to allow for both shifters.
@natdlareg Рік тому
Hey, Shane! Do you still use a virtualized Windows OS on your macbook? Have you encountered any hiccups on it? Would love to hear about them and how you sorted them out.
@wouterspit7517 Рік тому
So what’s the actual firmware upgrade containing? Was it worth the effort?
@Mwandiambira Рік тому
Hi, I’m new to electronic groupsets and found this useful. Am I missing something though as my SD-300 end (connected to PC as on the video using the SM-PCE02) seems different to that on the video. Slightly larger and simply won’t go into the post. Do I need a connector of a similar size to the dummy ones already in the ports? Nothing was included in the box.
@seanday8954 Рік тому
Shane, off-topic, sorry, I have a Magene t200 (which is a updated gravat2?), which is better, the flux 2/2.1 or Magene t200? Appreciate any response.
@Tex735 Рік тому
I have a MacBook Pro running VMWare with Windows 10... E-Tube app just won't install. Guess I have to buy a PC. I ordered the Shimano SM-PCE02 but I won't be able to use it with my MacBook. Gotta love it...
@teunluijbregts2533 Рік тому
Nice, but already needed a new cassette and chain this year, so can’t afford another upgrade just yet 😂
@brent4adv Рік тому
It seems this solidifies my choice of SRAM Rival over 105 Di2. Not only is the 105 more expensive out of the gate, but then I'd have to buy the PC Update tool for an additional $400. This is all in addition to no official support on my hammerhead (I realize there is now a 3rd party tool available).
@thedownunderverse Рік тому
Yeah Shimano’s dropped the bundle. Wait till Apex AXS XPLR drops in March … 😊
@mrwezbo Рік тому
Amen to this - how much easier is SRAM when compared to this vid?
@ashleyhouse9690 Рік тому
What a faff! Completely put me off upgrading to Shimano Di2 12-speed. SRAM AXS for me on my next bike.
@thedownunderverse Рік тому
Me too. And I’ve been pretty critical of SRAM in the past
@matthewblue7839 Рік тому
So $100’s of usd for parts, does this work with mac? Thx!
@strandedpaki Рік тому
A full Ultegra Di2 groupset like you could use to build your own bike is super hard to come by these days, especially if you want to pick and choose your crank length, cassette size etc. Any idea when supply would open up? And (hopefully) prices come down from the stratosphere? Thanks. By the way I've heard that building your own will never save you money, still want to do it just for the experience.
@michaelmechex Рік тому
That's how it used to be, but new bike prices have gone so high that building your own bike can be incredibly cost effective. In my case it turned out to be even more so than buying a second hand bike. I'm still waiting for the frame to be delivered, but what will be 7kg disc brake aero bike with dura-ace 9120 for less than 3500€ is a pretty good deal.
@strandedpaki Рік тому
@@michaelmechex wow would be interested in knowing what frame you're getting and where you sourced the groupset from. Thx.
@michaelmechex Рік тому
@@strandedpaki groupset is from local secondary market, from a guy who upgraded to Ultegra 12sp. All the little bits, bottle cages and saddle are from AliExpress. Crankset is Sram Force from secondary market as well, I prefer their cranks to Shimano. Wheels and frame are direct from China, but nothing sketchy, I've done lots of research. Frame is Elves Falath. It was a long process, I've bought first parts in July and will finish the bike in February, but it was a fun process, I saved loads of money and will have the bike just the way I want it.
@strandedpaki Рік тому
@@michaelmechex Thanks!! I'm leaning towards Elves Falath as well. Good luck with your new steed.
@michaelmechex Рік тому
@@strandedpaki thank you! Good luck with your own build!
@appala Рік тому
Am on the shit-man-no team. Once my di2 is old enough, going with sram.
@meibing4912 Рік тому
So crazy that it needs a wire. Not possible to get done in my country as no one - not even aut. Specialized dealers - have the module needed...
@miksterr Рік тому
Yep, what a crap idea and implementation.
@wolfgangzil7064 Рік тому
Oh man, for me shimano stands not for perfection the wireless integration. For home maintanance and DIY mechanic the only sensible solution is a full wired connectivity. I never would buy the SM PCE02 for home usage and my bikeshop would be very happy, if I would come by for a firmware update. ;-) The firmware timestamp was a little bit strange: on the e-tube webpage this update is documented at 2022/10/31. (content was to solve wireless connectivity problems: so maybe after the update it would have made sense to check this instead the functionality of the buttons ;-) )
@gregpirtle1109 Рік тому
Why was one lever updated to 4.1.1 from 4.0.3 and the other from 4.0.2? Any reason why the levers would be using different firmware numbers?
@gplama Рік тому
No idea. That’s how they came.
@gregpirtle1109 Рік тому
@@gplama Looks like 4.0.2 was the initial firmware and 4.0.3 fixed a pairing operation a few months later. The pairing operation was directly related to the rear derailleur and dual control lever. I would assume they only updated the affected lever, but it was the left lever that was already on 4.0.3. My right lever controls the rear mech which kinda confuses me and blows my theory.
@BetterShifting Рік тому
@@gregpirtle1109 4.0.3 fixed an issue where specific levers would not pair with the system. Affected levers are the ones where the serial number's fifth character from the right is either an 'X' or 'Y'. All other shifters did not have this issue :)
@gregpirtle1109 Рік тому
@@BetterShifting interesting...appreciate your reply!
@saracen888 Рік тому
How are you getting on with the 808’s?
@gplama Рік тому
Sparingly. It was too windy to use them for the Festive 500.
@jonathanzappala Рік тому
I’m sticking with 9100 for now, but I would either never update the firmware, or save this one for the bike shop rather than pay for the device. No way I’d shell out extra money for it. In reality though I’d rather have the shifters wired in all the time, but good that they have the option. I’m guessing shinano doesn’t expect you to go buy this for the average person.
@marcusvaldes Рік тому
I see absolutely NO reason to update the firmware on my 12 speed Di2 Ultegra. Works flawlessly.
@MrNerdtron Рік тому
Shane, I'm normally with you, but given that the release notes for 4.1.1 indicate that they just add support for new electric motors, I have difficulty with the recommendation that people deal with this faff and expense just to update from 4.0.3, the previous version, which offered several bug fixes.
@gplama Рік тому
This wasn't a version specific video. It was more about how to update the levers. Next week they may bring out a new firmware that once updated to, can be updated wirelessly. This information should remain relevant. Interestingly enough my right lever that shipped with the left was on 4.0.2 (4:34 in the video), so each lever was on a different firmware version.
@clovisw Рік тому
Need people’s opinions on this; go with SRAM etap and risk chain drop or go with 12 speed DI2 and deal with this? Thanks
@gplama Рік тому
You’ll get a complete shitshow of owner bias asking this. Pick a side, and fight to the death over it. 🤣
@clovisw Рік тому
@@gplama didnt think i'd hear from the man himself! with that said im gonna brave it and just pick 😂
@purpleaki7135 6 місяців тому
It is not available to download in my country has anyone come across this before? We are small country with 2 million people. I've tried a vpn in Google play and that did not work.
@russellbryant2273 11 місяців тому
This is what I been asking LBshops about and im getting different answers. So your Di2 shifter wont work out the box unless you download and update firmware?? I dont care about doing all the cell phone\computer crap! Will it work indefinitely out of the box?
@gplama 11 місяців тому
They'll work out of the box, yes. You just need to pair them to your Di2 system via their serial number or QR code (iirc).
@russellbryant2273 11 місяців тому
@@gplama Thanks
@OliverScheffer-Photography Рік тому
Alternatively you can just use the cable from the front derailleur and connect the STI via an EW-JC302 connector and a longer cable for example.
@gplama Рік тому
Yep, the multi(two)port junction method. RoJ covers this method.
@victorschepisi590 Рік тому
@Shane Miller - GPLama and keep in mind you must plug wires in prior to launching the app or it will not let you update. Only took me 10 tries to figure this out lol
@WowRixter Рік тому
When in doubt, upgrade, unless it's going to cost you $400
@SmolSnake Рік тому
I watched the video, then I realized I'm still running a SRAM 11 speed mechanical groupset 🥶
@jenniferw6081 Рік тому
Groan. I've ordered a new bike with Di2. Guess I'll get it done at the bike shop. Very annoying.
@gplama Рік тому
You can check with the E-Tube Mobile app first to know if there’s an update available. (It just won’t do the update to the levers if there is)
@pl.sargento Рік тому
Would you like to try connect SM-PCE02 device to rear derailleur (that's where the system's brain is) via EW-SD300-I wire and check if both levers can be updated?
@BetterShifting Рік тому
As long as the shifters are wired to the battery, that would work.
@NeilXDavis Рік тому
Hmm so for us mere mortals the levers will never get updated.
@fukawitribe Рік тому
I _was_ wondering how a firmware update on wireless shifters could be stretched out into a nearly 8 minute video, and now I know ! 😁 As others have alluded to, what a farce, and from a engineering and software point of view - what an utter shit-show. I use and love a lot of what Shimano do, but come on..... Nice vid though mate !
@gplama Рік тому
I wish it was 8 mins… that’s more revenue here on UKposts. (UKposts only play mid roll ads on 8min+… and is why you’ll see the real YT pros nail that length).
@fukawitribe Рік тому
@@gplama Nooo - just another 16 seonds ! ("That's what she said" etc etc)
@globaljobber 7 місяців тому
This is insane. So why can't Shimano simply allow the charger cable to plug into a PC and allow updates that way? It's not rocket science. Yes, the newer mobile app these days works fine - until you lose Bluetooth connecting while updating firmware which totally buggars up your device and causes it to just die completely. My mind boggles at the complexity they build into this. It could be so much easier - and cheaper.
@shileitian2083 9 місяців тому
For anyone happens to be here trying to figure out why E-Tube Project Professional doesn't work in a virtual machine (VM) hosted on macOS, unlike what Shane has shown in the video, please downgrade E-Tube Project Professional to V5.0.3. That is the last version that can work in a VM. With all newer version, you'll find after double click the icon, nothing simply happens. I have contacted Shimano twice regarding it, but I didn't get any response. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@anthonycasey57 Рік тому
No thanks, mechanical just works
@gregpirtle1109 Рік тому
I HAD been contemplating spending the money for Di2 upgrade on my Canyon Endurace. I have zero desire for Di2 after watching this video.
@thedownunderverse Рік тому
Except the hood ergonomics sucks.
@marcusvaldes Рік тому
As a 12 speeed Ultegra Di2 owner, I see absolutely ZERO reason to update the firmware. Mine works flawlessly.
@saurabhmittal8237 Рік тому
How is the battery on yours? I got Dura-Ace di2 12 speed version 3 months back and on mine the battery seems to drain 3-4% every day (without use).
@marcusvaldes Рік тому
@@saurabhmittal8237 Honestly haven't paid that much attention but it hasn't been problematic. I've probably only had to charge it twice since I've bought it. And I shift a lot.
@janjansen6263 Рік тому
350 $ just for updating the firmware in the shifter what a scam
@gplama Рік тому
The cable/junction method would set you back around $50-$60.
@janjansen6263 Рік тому
@@gplama Let's hope if the wireless firmware update will be released, it can be updated wirelessly, I doubt it (so I would still need the new cable). Is it possible the setup the hydraulic shifters wired, if that's possible I'm curious if pro team mechanics even set it up wirelessly
@gplama Рік тому
@@janjansen6263 DuraAce and Ultegra 12spd shifters can be wired into the Di2 system. I'll have at look at the Tour Down Under next week to see what the pros are using.
@MyWorldRS Місяць тому
As a new di2 user, i flabbergastet og just impressed by how utterly crappy shimano made the whole software side of di2. Jeeeeeeesus Christ its just utterly crap, compared to sram. 😂😂😂😂 Takes forever to Connect / handshake with the phone Wireless shifters that need extra modules and pc and cables and bones to Update. What the actual fuck is the thought processs on that
@TheLadeef Рік тому
PC link device, what a joke. Shimano see SRAM
@jakubklouda2474 Рік тому
This device exists many years... Primarly it was designed to 11sp Di2 because system can be without bluetooth module. The update over wire for shifters... NO comment :-D
@TomiB506 Рік тому
This is a huge mistake by shimano! They are very far behind on wireless systems.The cable or device should have been included with the package!
@gnarlybruzz Рік тому
Has anyone ever realised Shane Miller is the Johnny sins of cycling ?
@davelloyd8454 Рік тому
You really should mention the risks and consequences of firmware update failure... The components become useless and, if outside warranty, Shimano doesn't have any responsibility to fix
@gplama Рік тому
Shimano component firmware recovery is pretty solid. See this exact topic covered in depth here: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/l3hknYSHZHx1xWQ.html
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