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@@esra_erimez Hey

i was waiting for this

@@johndemi7588 what wer u waiting for

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Let's see 🧐

Let's see if Qualcomm move to Adreno 700 this time. Since 3 years they are stuck with Adreno 600 series, just boosting clock speed or cache etc only.

THIS CLAIM WAS DONE BY ARM FEW MONTHS AGO. WHILE LAUNCHING NEW CORES AND GPUS

The power of TSMC 4nm, of course it's gonna be bonkers vs Samsung 5nm, which based on Anandtech finding is just edges out TSMC 7nm

Only idiots will choose Mali GPU over Adreno GPU

daaaymmm

8k heating problem bro

That's what I keep hearing that mediatek's video codecs support is waay better than qualcom

Qualcomm supports pretty much every video codec. You'd have to be looking for very obscure or pretty much obsolete video codecs to find one not natively supported - things like AVI

@@franklingoodwin AV1 not AVI AVI is a media container format, while AV1 is a video compression/codec format. It’s for this reason I wished they named it something else like OC1 (Open Codec 1) or LC1 (Libre Codec 1).

They're just jealous that a cheaper SoC can compete with their more expensive alternatives at the same performance

@@r4hsn18 yeah i regret buying Snapdragon based Android over Mediatek My sister's 200 dollars mediatek device outperform my 250 dollars Snapdragon

Yes Samsung is shitt, their 7nm was equivalent to tsmcs 10nm and now same with 5nm which is close to 7/6nm of tsmc

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@@yash_kambli sadly true even Snapdragon 778 TSMC better than 780 Samsung

@@farthurf.5221 true

IF U CAN PREDICT, SO QUALCOMM HIGH EXPERIENCE MICRO ENGINEERS ALSO PREDICT THAT. THAT MEANS QUALCOMM HAS SOMETHING THAT MEDIATEK DON'T. IT MIGHT BE ADRENO GPU OR NEW KRYO700

I keep telling myself the same

How dumb do you got to be to not understand that. It's both at the same time 🤦‍♂️

It means if Cortex X1 at 5nm (on sd 888) and Cortex X2 at 4nm (on dimensity 9000) are used at same frequency say 2.8 ghz, then Cortex X2 will be 35% more powerful. And if they are to give same performance say Cortex X1 5nm at 2.8 ghz and Cortex X2 4nm at 2.5 ghz, Cortex X2 will use 37% less power. In geekbench terms, It will mean: 1. Cortex X1 5nm at 2.8 ghz will give score around 975 and Cortex X2 4nm at 2.8 ghz will give 1225. 2. Cortex X1 5nm at 2.8 ghz will use 1.25 watt of power and Cortex X2 4nm at 2.5 ghz will use just 0.9 watts of power and will have same performance of 975 on geekbench. Hope it explains.

It's both at the same time. But how it's both at the same time is ambiguous. 35% more performance is easy enough to understand, but does "35% more efficient" mean performance per watt, or the chip has a TDP 35% lower?

@@perforongo9078 It isn't both at same time . Infact it applies only when used at slightly lower ghz than peak ones. I explained it above.

MARK!

@@abhrajeet841 *SASUGAY GUCHIHA!*

Only the first few years the SoC's weren't very good or the software/skin wasn't very optimized. Even €200-€300 smartphones are flying nowadays. That said: we always can use a strong competitor.

Before corona even 150$ phones had very good processors which was enough for majority of people. Now the companies have increased their prices to make hay while the sun shines.

@@TheFourthWinchester nonsens. Price/performance has never been better.

dbz reference?

9000 name sounds so childish... it's almost like they don't believe in steady growth of their business. i also think that increasing number in ascending order of x000 series every year would look more professional, serious and convincing in their roadmap for investors and marketing material for consumers.

there's also been a problem with their audio drivers so i really hope they fix that

It's called asymmetric multi processing, and requires the OS scheduler to be aware of the core topology, and make appropriate decisions about what jobs are assigned to each core (as well as which cores are in low power standby states). Linux has supported it for a few years. Windows 11 supports it (Intel have said that most of their Alder Lake CPUs will have different core types).

Like Kiren 9000 They just ramp up the number... Next will be Mtk 10,000... lol

probably cuz the lower numbers were reserved for lower segment of chipsets like midrange and entry level.

9 in Chinese means king！

somebody's a fan of dbz

I think because this is their first soc with arm v9 and cortex x core, so it must be a really big leap over dimensity 2000 from last year

could you back up the kernel code being available part, that's by far the worst offender when it comes to longevity of these devices

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@@nik123true Not for this one, but it's possible for a Mediatek device to have an open-source kernel code. Oneplus Nord 2 with the Mediatek Dimensity 1200 has one.

@@sokool3994 i was kinda hoping that mediatek would have something similar to the CAF kernel, but i guess not

@@nik123true Yeah, it's unfortunate. That's possibly because smartphone vendors rarely releases kernel source code for Mediatek phones (despite having the capability to do it), so there's not much reason for Mediatek to make something like Code Aurora. I hope they will make something like this in the future.

Yes

Not happening sadly. More power = more heat

Hey that's good for winters😎😎.

But it using tmsc 4nm node

The exynos was better in CPU performance than the sd888, where it got left behind was the GPU.

@@imrankhan-ob3es Snapdragon will leapfrog both when they implement the new Nuvia ARM CPU in their products in 2023.

@@teemuvesala9575 the competition will get a lot tougher than you think for sd

@@imrankhan-ob3es It won't. Snapdragon has clear advantage still, Exynos uses trash modem, its less efficient, has worse GPU and soon much worse CPU as well. Qualcomm buying Nuvia is a game changer. AMD GPU in Exynos won't save it.

It is the phone maker that needs to provide that support, not the processor maker. OnePlus released the kernel code for the Nord 2.

It would seem to me things must change: Device more efficient, last longer - use less energy AND less resources. Times are changing and tech is part of that.

@@GaryExplains Then I must have got it wrong when they said that Google should support their new phones for 5 years and that was what the manufacturer promised. Don't have the link to where it was stated, but I think that have it close at your fingers with all your knowledge :-)

"but no one really disliked MediaTek" For obvious reasons. Buying a flagship Samsung with exynos which noticeably is a less good SoC compared to the Snapdragon counterpart in different areas of the world makes you a disappointed buyer. Mediateks were never in highend smartphones. People buying a phone with Mediatek don't even know they own one. There is nothing much to hate then.

@@hermanstokbrood that's basically what I said just in a different manner...

@@hermanstokbrood True... I'm currently using Redmi Note 8 Pro which had Helio G90T that is categorized as Mid-range chipset runs heavy games like Genshin Impact better than what most Mid-range chipset from Qualcomm could offer during the time of this Helio G90T release. So it totally make sense why people couldn't really see it, since most of the smartphone brands would focus more on advertising their flagship device than a Mid-range. And most friends i know had this mindset where Mediatek is super hot and slow, while they're struggling with their latest mid-range chipset from another company which heats up pretty badly that he's playing games while holding his phone with a cloth😂 even when i told him to stop playing and wait for it to cool down, he said "No it's fine, that's normal"😂. No wonder Mediatek is struggling to get a recognition from people. Too many people are stuck in the past. For me, I'll be on whichever sides that shows innovation, like Samsung's collab with AMD, but sadly the gpu is great but the cpu couldn't keep up🥺. Wish we could see more competition and innovation like this so that soon we'll be able to run heavy games like on pc just from our phones😂👍.

@@ggguys6113 Yeah in that year the Helio G90T Mediatek proofed they can be competitive. But a few years ago things were really bad. Once I promised myself never buy a Mediatek again but.....I'm a flexible guy and as it looks now, things might change 😉

Why can't I be both? 🤪

Yep but they are slowly getting support, you can get gcam on mediatek CPUs and there's quite a big community supporting mediatek socs

@@str5454 well no,Intel in other hand doesn't even try to compete,while Qualcomm actually does,their SD 865 actually par with a series chip(a13) for the first time ever,only the gpu is losing

@@str5454 Actually intel did step it up if the leaks are to be believed... Their alder lake laptop chips like the i7 is around 40% faster than the m1 max which is huge!!! Imagine what the i9 could do? Just hope the efficiency chips will bring out some great battery life cause that's the only thing lacking with the 11th gen right now. Full performance on battery might still be a distant dream though...

@@lifeasis2851 The thing is how much more power the i7 draws over m1 max? Laptops need to be as power efficient as possible.

Because that is just the max supported version, up to 5.3, but it depends on the phone manufacturer which version they will use, and probably it will be lower like the max supported version. Qualcomm CPU has up to 200MP camera support for years, but most of the Android phones has 48-108MP camera. The numbers what looks good on paper, and the reality are not the same.

99.9% of people don't care about that.

are custom roms still a thing?

The lack of kernel sources is to do with cheap Chinese OEMs. OnePlus has released the kernel code for the Nord 2.

If Exynos/AMD gets ray tracing everyone else will be just normies

Do you mean by glasses? If so, why?

Oh I get it.... It over 9000

TDP, power draw and die area

cuz 1 new core is equal to 2 of the older ones.. performance will still be better than previous gens

Seems like it

Kind of...the usage of two Cortex X1 and a 20-core Mali G78 with a high clock speed is inefficient. I think this might perform better and output less heat.

@@sokool3994 And older A76 performance cores too

@@crpro5420 Yeah, that's right. I kinda wished that Google used the Cortex A78 for the performance cores instead of the bizarre Cortex X1+Cortex A76 thing

That is an oversimplification!

Most consumers don't care about custom ROMs but they do care about price and performance. But MK isn't a locked ecosystem. The cheap Chinese OEMs are mainly to blame. OnePlus has released the kernel sources for the Nord 2.

another one fallen to trash can

Have you heard about Dimensity 5g open resource architecture? Mediatek open a low level access to ISP and AI. OEM have a huge access to these resources. Oneplus uses this access on Dimensity 1200-AI, Vivo on 1200-vivo, Xiaomi on 1200-max...Qualcomm's Hexagon has...closed sources!

It isn't MK's responsibility to release the source code, but the OEM. OnePlus has released the kernel code for the Nord 2.

What? There is great custom ROM support for Mediatek. I have a mediatek G80 device and I am using a custom on it😎😎.

Ray tracing isn't that expensive. The RTX 2060 only has 6GB of VRAM, and that manages to do ray tracing just fine. Since this is a high-end SoC, it's likely going to be paired with 12/16GB of RAM, which should be enough to allocate some of it to the RAM. Also, running everything on the CPU is computationally expensive. Last time we used the CPU for graphics rendering was in the 90s. And the introduction of graphics accelerators basically made a huge leap forward in graphics. I saw a modern 64-core Threadripper 3990X struggle to run Crysis at basically the lowest settings using software mode (which is basically rendering the graphics using the CPU) and that's a pretty old game (Crysis in low settings is pretty easy to run)

Mobile CPUs are improving over desktop CPUs mostly for two reasons. The first is they have a simpler more modern/lightweight architecture. The second is that they are being manufactured on fab processes that are 2-to-3 generations ahead of desktops.

Can you explain me more in detail?

@@basantatamang2249 lesser the chip goes back to Ram to fetch instructions, faster the chip. Keeping insurrections to be used often/soon are loaded up in cache from Ram beforehand so that the CPU cycles are fully utilised. If CPU can run 1,000 instructions per cycle but Ram can only give 500 per cycle, CPU is wasting energy and not processing as much data as it should be. If you have big cache, you can load up lots of data and keep CPU/GPU fed with instructions at all times so you use maximum benefit of the CPU (let’s say 950 instructions per cycle on a CPU designed for 1,000 per cycle) Saves energy and runs faster.

@@shresthsonkar9207 thx.

Oh it wil be hot...both Literally and figuratively.

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@@GaryExplains 🤣🤪

"MediaTek" not "Midetek"

According to ARM, the mali-g710 offers a 20% better performance than the g78.

It’s one or the other. Not both.

This type of statement means that The new chip will use 40% less power than its predecessor to give same performance Or That it can draw more power than previous one to be 35% faster than the predecessor

@@shresthsonkar9207 yes....yes that's what I said -_-

They were overrated bcz they were giving same performnace as 1 gen old Qualcomm but at a relatively cheaper price. Eg, dimensity 1100 gave same performance as 865 in 888 era. And dimensity 1000 gave same performance as 855 in 865 era. But this time they have snatched the momentum due to having TSMC and Qualcomm relying on samsug foundry

@@drmujeebhamid3560 not a fond of gaming, i need the flexibility and general compatibility of the chipset, u can't utilize MTK after the official software support of the manufacturer, while SD you can flash any roms after, and make your phone as fast as new without throttling and slowing down, yeah mtk dimensity gives a good performance for a cheaper price but thats it, whats its edge over Qualcomm other than its cheaper?

@@ajdelacruz6941 There is practically no advantage on using a Mediatek processor over a Snapdragon one except for the better performance-per-dollar, really. However, in regards to custom ROMs, it seems that Mediatek is improving. Xiaomi has apparently released the kernel source code for the Mediatek-powered Redmi Note 11 Pro and Oneplus has also released the kernel source code for the Nord 2 (which is also a Mediatek-powered phone)

It is up to the phone maker to release the source code, not MK. Cheap Chinese OEMs are to blame not MK. OnePlus released the kernel code for the Nord 2.

@@GaryExplains But there isn't any CAF equivalent from MT, right? Like you said most of the cheap Chinese phone manufacturer's are not releasing the kernels but development(ROMs/mods) happens for SD phones as the kernels are released in CAF. If it is not chipset maker's fault then why do Xiaomi's SD phones have custom ROMs while MT phones don't?

No their is no CAF equivalent from MK, but that is a specific business decision from MK that doesn't contravene any of the licenses.

The chips that you meant (the 7c and 8cx) already had come out. They're just used on laptops.