New Batteries for Old EVs : 150% more range for a Nissan LEAF | FULLY CHARGED
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Battery swapping is the perfect solution for keeping first generation EVs like the Nissan Leaf on the road and giving them a new lease of life.
Robert heads to Cheltenham to visit Cleevely Electric Vehicles who have partnered with Muxsan in Holland to offer this brilliant battery swapping service. As battery technology has greatly advanced in the 10 years since the launch of the Leaf, updating with a larger, newer battery from crash damaged cars increases both the range and lifespan of the car.
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Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
1:47 Battery swap service
2:44 Not so simple
3:19 Gen 1 Leafs
4:16 2nd lease of life
4:39 Replace & reuse
5:45 Range increase
6:58 How long does it take?
7:53 Same pack size
9:07 Coded communications
10:20 Huge difference
11:05 No battery waste
11:49 Costs
13:22 Future batteries
14:04 Adapt to the market
14:18 Keeping EVs on the road
15:01 Subscribe, support & join
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@fullychargedshow 3 роки тому
SUBSCRIBE, LIKE & SHARE if you want Clean Energy & Electric Vehicles to be the norm. Battery swapping is the perfect solution for keeping first generation EVs like the Nissan Leaf on the road and giving them a new lease of life. Robert heads to Cheltenham to visit Cleevely Electric Vehicles who have partnered with Muxsan in Holland to offer this brilliant battery swapping service. As battery technology has greatly advanced in the 10 years since the launch of the Leaf, updating with a larger, newer battery from crash damaged cars increases both the range and lifespan of the car. Cleevely EV - www.cleevelyev.co.uk/ Muxsan - muxsan.com/English/index.html Make sure you are subscribed then enter 'The Great EV Giveaway' for your chance to win an EV for a year and lots of other fantastic prizes fullycharged.show/EV-Giveaway/ Fully Charged is 100% independent thanks to UKposts Memberships and Patreons. Without you this channel wouldn’t be possible! If you’d like to help support the Fully Charged channel and its mission: Become a Patreon: www.patreon.com/FullyChargedShow Become a UKposts member: use JOIN button above Subscribe to Fully Charged & the Fully Charged PLUS channels Buy the Fully Charged Guide to Electric Vehicles & Clean Energy : buff.ly/2GybGt0 Browse the Fully Charged store: shop.fullycharged.show/ Visit our LIVE exhibitions in the UK, USA & Europe: FullyCharged.Show/events Subscribe for episode alerts and the Fully Charged newsletter: fullycharged.show/zap-sign-up/ Visit: FullyCharged.Show Find us on Twitter: twitter.com/fullychargedshw Follow us on Instagram: instagram.com/fullychargedshow Timestamps: 0:00 Introduction 1:47 Battery swap service 2:44 Not so simple 3:19 Gen 1 Leafs 4:16 2nd lease of life 4:39 Replace & reuse 5:45 Range increase 6:58 How long does it take? 7:53 Same pack size 9:07 Coded communications 10:20 Huge difference 11:05 No battery waste 11:49 Costs 13:22 Future batteries 14:04 Adapt to the market 14:18 Keeping EVs on the road 15:01 Subscribe, support & join
@mrpants8976 3 роки тому
You should make a youtube survey and ask people if they have subscribed to your channel for the giveaway. It brings in a bunch of new views.
@eddymaddix1786 3 роки тому
I heard on another UKposts channel (Linus Tech Tips?), that having lots of subscribers who don't watch your videos, is actually downgrading as far as the YT algorithm is concerned.
@typxxilps 3 роки тому
Not the best date to release on April fools day with all those videos popping up today where you have to ask yourself if it is true or not. But the topic itself deserves attention ... and maybe the EU will force the car manufacturers for a standardized BATTERY - CAR connection like the USB standard charger on cell phones The manufacturers will start to complain, but if it will hurt it will be better for the society.
@toddcurtis1377 3 роки тому
Not sure how my liking or subscribing is going to help Clean Energy and Electric vehicles to be the norm. As I understand it, that's going to happen anyway. Can't happen soon enough.
@philais 3 роки тому
Turning over "A New Leaf on Life"..so to speak.
@em0_tion 3 роки тому
One more reason why Right to Repair is so important. 👍
@boggisthecat 3 роки тому
This is a third party ‘hacking’ Nissan’s communications protocols. Not endorsed by Nissan. They would prefer to sell more cars.
@MrBrendanrex 3 роки тому
@@boggisthecat Having used CANopen in Industrial applications, the battery pack is just one of the nodes on the network and be described with an EDS file. I would expect the EDS file would have to be edited with the parameters of the replacement pack, but retain the serial number off the old pack so the BMS recognises it. Nissan, as you say, may have it's own proprietary protocol.
@hendrikdependrik1891 3 роки тому
@@boggisthecat That's a thing we as consumers can decide. If a car is purchased, it's not hire purchased. I know companies like Tesla are having a hard time to understand that concept, but that doesn't mean we as consumers should just accept what they want.
@Oscar-if6lq 3 роки тому
@@boggisthecat Exactly, which is why it's so important we have the right to repair. Otherwise, useful stuff like this that gives extra utility to second-hand goods could be illegal or impossible.
@johnathankain8033 3 роки тому
100%. Sure in warranty you probably don't want to muck about, but outside of that it's yours to destroy or improve as you see fit since the OEM isn't going to help for free anyway. Wrench & code every day guys!
@RWBHere 3 роки тому
Crash damaged. It adds a whole new meaning to 'Turning over a new Leaf.'
@OooohReally 3 роки тому
i see what you did there 😉 clever one !
@bertram-raven 2 роки тому
Fireman sees a petrol spill after an accident: "Get me the foam!" Fireman sees EV battery after an accident: "RUN AWAY!!!!!"
@panzerveps 2 роки тому
@@bertram-raven Nope. If the battery is burning, they will control the fire. But in most cases, it's not the battery that burns, so they will just extuingish the fire.
@cherylreid2964 2 роки тому
@@bertram-raven only now, but in time the safety is getting decidedly better🙌
@16vKarlos 3 роки тому
Well that’s a RE-LEAF 😁.... perfect!
@happysporran 3 роки тому
An absolute godsend for some early leaf owners. A shame Nissan aren't exactly helping these early adopters.
@Billblom 3 роки тому
They did offer the guy in Australia a replacement battery for only $xx,xxx AU. For a car valued at about a small percentage of the cost of the battery... Just because the battery got roasted by high local temperatures. The Leaf sees the same sort of failures in the US... all because they failed to design in cooling for the battery. Bad design and implementation.
@brunohill3229 3 роки тому
"An absolute godsend for some early leaf owners. " provided you can source batteries in your country because the cost of shipping a 2nd hand "dangerous lithium ion " half way around the world is prohibitive.
@pnvgordinho 3 роки тому
They do, for the right amount of money. In my country, a Nissan Leaf owner wanted to replace the batteries and Nissan asked for 30.000 euros. This was in 2019. Car manufactures will do anything to convince you to buy a petrol car.
@Billblom 3 роки тому
@@pnvgordinho In Australia, they simply dumped a number like $50,000 on the guy the day after it went out of warranty. For a car that didn't even sell for that new? Totally ridiculous. I believe that the courts there (in combination with the AU requirement that the car has to be serviceable for more than 3 years) got that tweaked. Here? I saw a few leafs that were only getting a simple commute in before the battery was empty. Again, go for the big bucks to replace the batteries. (You MUST cool the battery when it is over 90 F during the summer. Otherwise the batteries die from damage caused by overheating.) All the legit EV folks do cool the batteries.. as well as heat them during the winter. (Plugging in to a 110 volt output will just keep your battery warm in a tesla...)
@hendrikdependrik1891 3 роки тому
@@Billblom That's a big no-no here in Holland. We're way too frugal for such nonsense. It also helps the government is promoting a second-hand EV market, because the Dutch government knows you can't replace the fossil fuel car market with EV without a proper 2nd hand market.
@gamesmore247 3 роки тому
You could say they're getting a second "leaf" of life.
@esm7708 3 роки тому
Go home James. You're drunk.
@jimclay1969 3 роки тому
I'm glad you said James - because I was thinking it. Good one chap.
@ApemanMonkey 3 роки тому
Thanks for falling on that sword, James.
@andrewbrinkerhoff406 3 роки тому
More like a second chance at leaf.
@HandSolitude 3 роки тому
Worst dad pun ever. I love it.
@bowtoy 3 роки тому
I don't generally comment, But this episode was spectacularly interesting. Thank you, so much , Keep up the good work, and looking forward to more .
@stupendouslife8128 2 роки тому
Congrats Cleevely Electric, you are adapting your business to your future customers, that is the way business keep existing, adapting to a new technologies and time, well done 👍😀👏👍😀👏
@attix15 3 роки тому
Muxan is a genius that made all this possible. The swapping isn't rocket Science it's the communication part and also the extenders they make.
@kschleic9053 3 роки тому
The "gearheads" of the next decades are all going to either be hackers or have a hacker on call:)
@ZesPak 3 роки тому
Agreed, it's a smart move. These kinds of swaps will become common ground and while it might cost them at this point to do the research for the relatively few early adopters, it might pay off massively in the future.
@nomoreheroes93 3 роки тому
Equal credit is deserved imo (and I'm an EV engineer whose taken many battery packs apart), it takes leaders like Cleevelys to make the effort to retrain and retool to make this possible and hence prove the business model to other dealers, Muxan's tech does nothing without early adopters.
@johnsavage6628 2 роки тому
$8500 for a used battery pack? Ouch! No thank electrics. I'll probably be dead, before electrics are affordable.
@AsekiBekovy 2 роки тому
@@johnsavage6628 You are a bit off. Until you reach the point where a battery swap is necessary, you will already have pulled a lot of use out of the car. Imagine all the repairs and service that could be avoided in the meantime. We just decided to bzy a used eNV200 Evalia instead of the Diesel one and it was almost the same price, with the car in better condition and the battery still fine.
@64offsuiter 3 роки тому
This is so important. As a 2016 leaf owner, this is very exciting. the right to repair is crucial for sustainable evs. Although the cost is pretty expensive - it needs to be significantlycheaper that buying a new hatchback.
@Charlie-UK 3 роки тому
Great episode Robert. Recycling and Reuse is as important as electrification. We need to make the single use mindset redundant.We all need to make do with less a lot less. If we are to mend our environemt...
@pbyfr 3 роки тому
That's why I don't the point of Robert saying that in future, the battery will outlast the car. When every EV will recharge 300 km in less than 30 minutes, no need to change the car for the next 20 years. The only thing that will improve after that will be automatic driving, and if you don't need it, don't change the car!
@jakethadley 3 роки тому
@@pbyfr I believe he's talking about the usual car degregation stuff - rusty bodywork, etc. The ICE in my Honda would outlast the body's life by at least three times I reckon! My initial plan was "to run it until it stops, then but an EV", but it's clear it's going to be a pile of brown flakes before the mechanicals give out.
@pbyfr 3 роки тому
@@jakethadley My 2000 Corolla is still fine, but I barely used last year. But it is a Japanese made car, the quality is better than others. I have more than 220 000 km on it, and I may have used it more if I didn't bought an EV (manual transmission is a pain in traffic jam, E-pedal is the best thing of EV). My 2.5 years old Leaf may indeed not be of the same quality (I had some minor issues with the windows). I will see how it age.
@malawidick 3 роки тому
Don 't be duped there is no climate emergency
@Charlie-UK 3 роки тому
@@malawidick Don't be fooled into thinking we are not ruining our environment. Expecting that our current, Turbo Capitalist societies can continue unabated. At the expense of our environment is pure fantasy. Most people accept the premise that it can't continue. Unless your an Ayn Rand acolyte of course...
@GlynHudson 3 роки тому
Love this video. It's great to see an independent garage offering a battery swap and upgrade service to keep older cars on the road. Nice work guys
@HCBEATS 3 роки тому
We had our conversion done at Muxsan in Holland last year in February. This battery swap was a good decision. Since then we only had a few bugs that were solved in firmware updates. We were one of the first people on his list that got a 40 Kwh conversion so that was to expect. I can recommend this to everyone we can now drive 250 Km (around 155 miles) in summer, so that's pretty usable. I've sold our old Nissan leaf 24 Kwh pack for 2000 euro (1700 pounds-), so that can help to cover some of the conversion costs.
@MrGordy6040 2 роки тому
Can I ask how you sold it, eBay etc and was it to a private company or person? I’ve a 24kwh leaf and trying to figure out the cost.
@lghammer778 3 роки тому
Awesome episode, Robert! Been looking forward to seeing your original EV get a newer battery, incredible to see!
@ChrisBaileyMusic 3 роки тому
I'm so glad you've covered these guys finally. I've been raving about them and muxan for a while wondering why more people aren't finding this exciting haha
@panzerveps 2 роки тому
While I love the idea, as an EV specialist I'm always concerned when the battery has been involved in a crash. It can cause internal damage in the battery pack, which is unnoticable for a while. I've seen the main high voltage relay welded solid as a result of a collision (since the first thing most people do to avoid a collision is to brake hard, which activates recuperation.), causing the battery to always be active.
@bellshooter 3 роки тому
Had my Leaf serviced at Matt's original workshop in 2018 , just took out my camping chair a sat there watching him... what a professional, and he gave me a great discount .
@mikewoollacott Рік тому
Brilliant information Robert - I recall sharing a speaker slot with you at the Malvern Innovation Show some years ago when we were both embarking on our EV journey with 1st Gen Nissan Leafs! We were amongst fellow EV pioneers! Looking forward to your 'swap progress' video. We are now driving our third Leaf (Gen2) and already considering a swap out after 6 yrs/50k miles) and will be in touch with Matt. Keep up the great work! Mike
@sergeidorokhin5619 2 роки тому
Good to have guys like these in your town. Fortunately, almost every serious handyman can swap the battery nowadays with plenty of video walkthroughs available, and connectors and adaptors sold on the Internet.
@thomasburd2008 3 роки тому
Great episode as always. Good to see people recycling and keeping their old cars going!
@e-rollcorporation152 8 місяців тому
Great video, really enjoyed it! I just got a 2012 Nissan Leaf with 30k miles, it is a dream car, but already the battery is at 70 SOH. I'm sure as the price oil skyrockets, more and more buyers will get interested in these amazing cars, and the battery swap shops will be sprouting up all over the USA (I'm in New York City). Keep up the good work!
@maesygwartha 3 роки тому
Great video, good to see the re-use of battery packs, helping to dispel the doom and gloom of the ‘FUDsters’ - well done Cleevely’s
@henntendo 3 роки тому
I have been waiting a year for this video!
@verelevelanthe200 3 роки тому
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@RHM6x4 3 роки тому
My father has had his first gen LEAF done by them earlier this year - he is delighted, with the result and with the door to door service he received - he would totally recommend it.
@williamclark6466 3 роки тому
Robert, I absolutely love the variety and choices of music that you and your team select to play in your videos, but they pale in comparison to the valuable information that you present in each episode.
@truirf 3 роки тому
It will be interesting to see over the next few years, with improving tech, what kinds of aftermarket battery swaps become available.
@andyroid7339 3 роки тому
Agree - with improvements in battery chemistry energy density will increase. There'll also be "Tesla" quality aftermarket batteries for cheaper EVs.Also, s/ware improvements will mean aftermarket faster charging options will be available. The same will occur with motors - a Zoe GT with Teslaesque performance!
@RFSA180 3 роки тому
Leaf P100d lolz
@andyroid7339 3 роки тому
@@RFSA180 Yeah! It will last about two weeks before the battery overheats!
@PeterBirett 3 роки тому
@@RFSA180 you forgot the Zoe‘s advantage: Leaf P100D with 43kW AC charger
@aesma2522 2 роки тому
Already he said the 60KWh pack can still fit in there with minor modifications, that's crazy !
@Supernaut2000 3 роки тому
Wonderful, I knew this would eventually happen. Price needs to come down further of course.
@volvo09 3 роки тому
Yeah, and I've been waiting for the 2nd hand market for used packs :) Years ago I aquired a whole bunch of individual batteries to create my own battery solar storage, and it would have been SO MUCH EAISIER and QUICKER to pick up a used EV pack! This is cool.
@robsmith1a 3 роки тому
The price is still the real issue but it is great that cars are being given more life rather than being scrapped. Demand for battery packs would still seem to be outstripping supply and until that issue is solved I can't see prices falling substantially.
@yakjake 3 роки тому
Agreed. I’d happily pay 3-4K for the additional range but I don’t love the old leaf design enough to spend £8k more on a 6 year old car sadly.
@redbaron6805 3 роки тому
@se fi Not sure if 50 years is very realistic. Ignoring issues like salt and corrosion, old cars eventually become a losing proposition as other parts degrade, anything from wiring to brake lines to A/C parts to seals and various other parts. To drive a very old car, one also has to accept an interior that will be falling apart or spring some money to fix it up. Carpets, seats, headliners, dash, etc gets pretty ratty after about 15 years in most cases along with paint, so all that would have to be addressed unless you want to drive something rather sad looking.
@OmarSpence 3 роки тому
Time to take those old battery packs and swap the cells out for fresh ones and resell them as rebuilt battery packs.
@krisvandermeulen253 3 роки тому
The James and Kate channel also did a video on this subject. Great to see independent garages providing these services
@coreygrua3271 Місяць тому
So helpful to see Robert’s personal model for provident living in our throw-away world. Well done.
@daniellavia4573 3 роки тому
This is incredible. Makes so much sense and has such a great environmental impact! Congrats!
@Brian-om2hh 2 роки тому
And drilling, extracting and refining oil doesn't? Ok then, how about the odd huge oil tanker spillage, polluting thousands of square miles of ocean?
@esasaarinen2423 3 роки тому
when a reused battery is more expensive than the car itself
@toyotaprius79 3 роки тому
because the original battery chemistry (and its OEM servicing) were such a drag.
@crichtonjohn1187 3 роки тому
This video reveals some of the problems of the ev's: 1. the manufacturers cannot support old cars with batteries and they expect the cars to be landfilled by the 9-10yrs mark so they will have very low resale value as they approach that mark. They will not even want to support old cars because they want to sell new cars. Since manufacturers have to provide spare parts only 8 years after a car goes out of production is too easy to avoid supporting old cars, just keep a model in production for only 2 years. 2. the much claimed fact that the batteries will have a much bigger capacity due to advances in technology is a myth. The new batteries are just slightly better than the old ones after 10 years of developement. They have 150% capacity but they are also larger and heavier as the man said, so, in fact, it's not such a big improvement, the energy density is only slightly better that 10 years ago.
@elektrotehnik94 2 роки тому
@@crichtonjohn1187 this comment won't age well
@beeftec5862 2 роки тому
@@crichtonjohn1187 Graphene batteries etc will likely arrive large scale soon and will validate the improvement claims
@panzerveps 2 роки тому
@@crichtonjohn1187 My prediction is that capacity (range) won't matter much in the not too distant future. Once we've reached a decent range, charging speed will be the deciding factor. 3-500 km before you get to stretch your legs, fill up on drinks and snacks, and maybe even a toilet break, and 20 minutes later you're ready for another 3-400 km run (not that it's safe to drive for so long without a proper break).
@tjejojyj 2 роки тому
Excellent video. I was wondering about all this. Hopefully they have settled on standardised connectors and protocols so this becomes cheaper and easier. The process of extracting all the value out of the batteries is interesting too.
@AlSharei 3 роки тому
I enjoy every episode of yours! Thank you for your wonderful work!!!
@erikpierik9806 3 роки тому
Great episode, and love this channel in general. One little remark. It is "The Netherlands" Holland is just a small part of our beautiful country. :)
@davidstuart4915 3 роки тому
£13,500 to upgrade an old Leaf with an old battery.... when u can buy a new MG for £19k with 7 yr warranty...u would need to be really in love with your Leaf!
@nesvarbu6964 3 роки тому
52kw and estate MG5 EV looks good
@davidstuart4915 3 роки тому
@@nesvarbu6964 MG5 showing the way in value :)
@errcoche 3 роки тому
Well it was 8,500 quid for the conversion shown to a 40kWh battery. I was wondering when they would get to the price. According to Musk, current EV battery cost is around $200 per kWh. LifePO4 cells cost about $450 for a kWh of cells as a comparison. So you can see $8k of cost in cells, then getting screwed over to the tune of 20% for VAT and we are up to $10k of pure cells. It's not an unreasonable price. The 13.5k price was for the biggest battery pack, a 62kWh I think, and again, the price is not unreasonable. That said, I bought a 2017 Chevrolet Bolt with 30k on the clock for about $15k, so probably under 12 grand in "your British pounds". It has a 230 mile range and is basically a new car and much better than a Leaf.
@errcoche 3 роки тому
@Ross Bourne What's your source for that Ross?
@nonyanks2510 3 роки тому
Am contemplating the same thing for my 2014 Leaf, thanks for the peek, looking forward to seeing your swap!
@adsheff 3 роки тому
I love the look of the old Leaf. So unique with its funny bug eyes. I had a 30kwh one for three years and loved it. Would have kept it as a second car if it hadn't been so expensive to buy!
@WW-ic5nk 3 роки тому
A good idea, but it will only be taken up by very few owners. Right now, at the bottom of the market a 2011 Leaf 24kWh with 30mi range showing on the GOM is worth £4,500 (Rob was being kind with 50mi: Maybe on a warm day, downhill with a tailwind) Add the £8500 battery cost to what you can sell the 2011 for and you're looking at a newer 2018 40kWh with 130mi showing on the GOM. The same result but now you're in a 7 year newer car.
@pauliboo2 3 роки тому
So glad your channel is approaching the magic 1 million mark, well deserved, and really interesting videos - coming from a non-electric car owner.
@stuartmorgan3654 3 роки тому
I love this. Reusing the battery and extending the use of the car reducing the need for new materials to be used and an extra revenue stream for their business.
@Leopold5100 3 роки тому
another totally excellent episode, I can't understand why this channel doesn't have absolutely millions of subscribers ............. ?????????????????
@aussie2uGA 3 роки тому
This is why NIO has such an advantage. They do battery swapping right now, and when advancements are made to pack designs, they can get them immediately without any refitting issues. It’s a future proof way to tackle it.
@Avantime 3 роки тому
Battery swapping can be done for most EVs, it's just a matter of time effort required unless there's some software-encrypted DRM block. Given the current material cost of a battery swap ($10k and above) the cost of labor isn't the big factor here. Gruber can already do Tesla battery repairs. NIO's battery swapping feature is nice, but not a game changer. Batteries are generally reliable components that can last many years.
@ChrisBaileyMusic 3 роки тому
But that's the point. The batteries can last for ages. NIOs model takes the ownership of the most expensive part of the car out of the equation. The battery is NIOs asset. But they've done that mainly to enable hot swapping for charging purposes rather than upgrades. Drive in and drive out in 5 mins with a full charge. That will become defunct as 350kW+ charger installs gather momentum. New Kia/hyundai 800v architecture can add 100miles in 4 mins, or 10-80% in 15mins....who needs the complication of a hotswap then.
@Avantime 3 роки тому
@@ChrisBaileyMusic Agreed. Future fast charging advancements will make hot-swapping obsolete. Personally I see the battery lease model as nothing more than a gimmick, because why not lease the whole car? The only place where I see this happen is with jetliners, where the airline owns the aircraft but leases the engines (Rolls-Royce is a big pusher of this sales model) because airlines find it hard to maintain them, and would rather let the manufacturer handle maintenance support, and let them take the risk if something goes wrong.
@ChrisBaileyMusic 3 роки тому
@@Avantime that's all very well for something as complex as a jet engine. Batteries are less complex as assembled modules. No moving parts or fine physical tolerances. No chance of falling out of the sky if you get it wrong.... etc
@Avantime 3 роки тому
@@ChrisBaileyMusic That's why I think no one's going to be interested. People will either buy the whole car, or lease the whole car. They're not going to buy half a car and lease the other half. Battery hot-swapping is only feasible with a corporate fleet of trucks where batteries are strategically placed on set routes, because they need to be on the road 24/7 in order to make money.
@RoschetzkyPhotography 3 роки тому
Ya! Just ordered my huge fully charge swag purchase from my photography at fully charged live and now I will rock my fully charged shirt on my show
@MrBode5997 3 роки тому
There is a full vid on the full battery swap by these guys,very interesting.
@nixta73 3 роки тому
Great to see the older batteries reused for solar storage & older leafs revived. Inspiring work 👍
@crhu319 2 роки тому
That was always the intention of early EV boosters.
@lingondraken 3 роки тому
Have seen these guys over at the James & Kate EV channel, some very cool work they do! Really looking forward to seeing your upgraded Leaf too, Robert! :D
@davidholden2658 3 роки тому
Yes, I'm surprised Robert didn't mention that they can replace a single failed module in a pack if that is all that is needed. Perhaps a video on that is coming.
@lingondraken 3 роки тому
@@davidholden2658 My guess in the dark is that it might have been mentioned, but did not make the final cut for some reason or another.
@dmiretti 2 роки тому
Awesome, this is much needed and a great entrepreneur. Then down the road as battery tech improves, swap out for solid state or other technology 🤔
@beverlyhanshaw7410 3 роки тому
This is great. Have just bought a used 30KW Leaf and battery should be good for around 7 more years but I love the idea that when its past its best we could potentially keep the car and simply upgrade the battery.
@torchris1 3 роки тому
Awesome! I would love to see this available in Canada! My 2016 Leaf is still going strong at 90% battery, but this would be a great option. Love this!
@athalc 3 роки тому
There are shops in canada that will do this. The challenge is finding good used packs.
@Kittzz 3 роки тому
I can't wait to see where the aftermarket goes for battery upgrades. Would love to see companies making replacement packs for older electric cars as the battery tech improves.
@leandersmith6184 2 роки тому
I'm so happy with the improvement of speak so to say, thank you!
@hailstorm711 3 роки тому
Thanks Robert for the great content as always. Very informative.
@chazsmith4351 3 роки тому
Looking forward to your follow up episode with your old/new super Leaf. 👍
@tucsonor 3 роки тому
I swapped the battery a year ago in my 2012. Vent from 210 Gids to 465 at 100% SOC. It did get a second life twice as good as it's first 8 years. Will work for "generations" until it is down to 210 Gids again :-)
@bruceschneider4928 3 роки тому
It's good to know that a Leaf can easily have it's batteries swapped. Good episode--thanks!
@andrewradford3953 2 роки тому
Brilliant! Lots of damand here in Australia. We own a 2012 and 2019 Leaf. Recently purchased a battery pack from a 2012 to power a zero turn mower, and an off grid cabin.
@douglasalanthompson 3 роки тому
Fantastic. So glad the Leaf continues to be a strong EV seller in the UK. Battery swap/upgrade is an absolute Leaf advantage.
@MrMduchesne23 3 роки тому
Older Tesla with a new PCM should be able to do this too, right? until the switch to these new in body batteries.
@redbaron6805 3 роки тому
@@MrMduchesne23 The Tesla battery packs last far longer, but this type of swap or upgrade would mostly apply to the Model S/X, as those packs were designed to be swapped in 90 seconds during the early design phase at battery swapping stations.
@johnalexander3195 3 роки тому
This was a good episode! Thank you.
@MrJetexjim 3 роки тому
a great episode. Full marks to the guys for pioneering this kind of upgrade.
@rstjx3j183 3 роки тому
Interchangeable, compatible. Another piece of exciting news for the DIY community. Former petrolhead, when people wanted to upgrade performance, they would remove running gear off other vehicles, with fabrication and bespoke items. Imagine, having an EV vehicle, drive in, drive out with upgrades battery, battery charger, BMS. This is the future. To see engine tuners with their rolling roads adopting this innovation with EV. Thanks for sharing. Inspiring!
@josephgriffin1065 3 роки тому
A Nissan Leaf would work perfectly for me for my work commute, even with a diminished battery
@rp9674 2 роки тому
You could probably find one extra cheap with diminished range
@timberthewolf733 3 роки тому
Thank you for posting a video that isn't related to April first.
@tipit0086 3 роки тому
Hmmm, maybe it is and you just don't know...!?
@maxnewts 3 роки тому
I’ve been subscribed for 10 ish years since you first started your videos 😉🤩
@delcosspdfreek 3 роки тому
My wife drives a 2015 Leaf and we are hawking this channel !
@r5LgxTbQ 3 роки тому
amazing that a Leaf can last 10 years and still be usable. They didnt even have active cooling
@aussie2uGA 3 роки тому
Yeah, it’s England, not Arizona or Florida.
@gearshiv 2 роки тому
@@aussie2uGA the 2011-12 ones don't do well with heat the 2013 and newer ones battery chemistry does quite well with the heat here in AZ
@justin_time 3 роки тому
Triple range? Woah! Geez, even if the 40 kwh battery degrades, 150 miles starting degrading down to 100 over time is still double the range and perfectly usable. We could see those first-generation Leafs on the road for 20 more years! Amazing!
@sharpeside 3 роки тому
But after an additional £8500 you still have a 10 year old car with 60-100k on the clock and a second hand battery! I don't get it. Please tell me what I'm missing...
@justin_time 3 роки тому
@@sharpeside What you are missing is that it's an electric car. If you want to get it, stop looking at it like an ICE car. Change the battery once for £8500 then never pay for oil changes, transmissions, air filters, spark plugs, catalytic converters, etc. One-time expense, predicted life span of 10-20 more years with effectively £0 in maintenance fees, low and stable electricity [fuel] costs, low registration and insurance costs, low to no MOT costs, and on and on. It's a total flip from the typical way we are all used to looking at cars and their associated costs, that's why it is difficult to see.
@sharpeside 3 роки тому
@@justin_time ok, thanks. However, there are currently 105 Nissan leafs nationally that are a maximum of 7 years old, a maximum of 50k on the clock, at a maximum price of £8500
@sharpeside 3 роки тому
You see, what I would do is sell your 10 year old car for 4500, add that to your 8500 and get a 4 year old leaf with 10k on the clock
@justin_time 3 роки тому
@@sharpeside Strange. In the US there are many Leafs available for ~£1500-2500. Many of those cheap deals are from areas that are very hot (California, Texas, etc) which caused the Nissian batteries to degrade much faster, leaving many in that price range with ~30 miles of range. Maybe they haven't degraded as fast in the UK because temperatures aren't as hot and so their values have remained higher. Many Nissan Leafs from areas with cooler temperatures in the US also haven't suffered from much degradation either. (If only Nissan had added thermal management [cooling+radiators], this problem of battery swaps wouldn't even exist.) It seems like you are still thinking in terms of total mileage ("on the clock"), but most old EV drivetrains have average projected lifespans of between 300,000-500,000 and new EV's closer to 1,000,000. Overall mileage isn't as important of a factor to consider when buying a used EV as it is with ICE cars. Range per charge is the new defining factor.
@GrahamRead101 3 роки тому
Good stuff. I think the boot battery extension is worth considering too. Increased range and lowers the degradation load on the original battery pack.
@aatheus 3 роки тому
What a cool service that this company is providing! If I still had my Gen 1 LEAF, I would be wanting to get my battery swapped out by them. Alas, wrong continent for me.
@ernestogilhubbard6675 3 роки тому
Greetings from mexico , Its awsome what you. Doing And thank s to the channel 👍🏻
@bsdpowa 3 роки тому
6:40 hahahah look at that guy lurking in the background
@thevideoark 3 роки тому
Excellent show very informative answering all questions I would have.
@chrisw443 3 роки тому
OMG thats the guy from the other youtube channel I watch EV james and kate! This was ALWAYS THE POINT OF EV'S Was that you could replace the battery and the motor over and over and over and over. Then you can RECYCLE the ENTIRE CAR. That is the whole point, it always has been and this makes me so happy.
@thearab59 3 роки тому
Have seen James (James & Kate) doing this a few times, now he is with Clevely.
@RPRosen-ki2fk 3 роки тому
I sub to "EV James and Kate", and have seen that vid. The two of them are EXTREMELY knowledgeable on EV's, and I've learned much from them.
@thearab59 3 роки тому
@@lordpitnolen2196 Oops!
@thearab59 3 роки тому
James and Matt Cleevely show the process in a lot more detail for those interested.
@josephcullen2512 3 роки тому
Very interesting! What a great enterprise! And good video
@markwellington1254 3 роки тому
Still more great things about EV vehicles that really make sense. Smart man !
@PankajDoharey 2 роки тому
No.1 Channel if you are an electric enthusiast.
@tymanot 3 роки тому
Second life is a great idea. The price seems to be a bit high though. Thanks for the video.
@usaverageguy 3 роки тому
I had my battery replaced in my 2012 Leaf in 2019. It was a new 24 KWH battery from Nissan. It cost me $8200. Hopefully, with the new chemistry, the new battery will last much longer.
@STho205 3 роки тому
It is unfortunate that desirable EVs have been built like disposable personal electronics (phones, laptops, countertop kitchen gadgets). By the time you need to do a major repair or cell retrofit, the new cars are so much sexier that you just want to but a new one. The mfgs knew this all along. ICE cars were most profitable when they could sell very cheap cars, that a new car junkie would replace every two years, and they could resell the 2 year old used car at a hearty markup too. I see ICE cars that are over 20 years old, and most are still using their original fuel system and drivetrain. Average ICE car makes 300,000 to 600,000 km in a life, where in 1960 it was 100,000 miles or 160,000km. I see very few ten year old EVs and most of them driven by pensioners that only need 20 mile range. An enclosed golf cart. I would hope after development of the Tesla 3 that EVs have grown up to not just be personal electronics that are discarded quickly in favor of the latest model, but even Tesla does seem to be following the iPhone model though of emotional crowd marketing.
@lklpalka 2 роки тому
What an interesting interview! Really enjoyed this thanks guys!
@johnmcandrew852 3 роки тому
It's like organ donation for EVs! Brilliant work. Still not cheap, but cheaper than buying a new EV, and if you love your car, giving it a new heart/pancreas/whatnot to extend its life is just the thing to do. Great to read about this. Glad Matt is finding uses for the old, degraded batteries, too! When Paul Hawken wrote Ecology of Commerce decades ago, this is the kind of thing I imagined coming of it: less, or even no, waste, and old tech getting upgraded instead of sent to landfills.
@nickmassey9104 3 роки тому
Great business acumen. Like the leafs and love the idea of a 1st gen big power / range Egt
@marksims5730 3 роки тому
but he didn't seem to know exactly how much Nissan were charging for a battery swap... bit strange
@chargeheadsuk 3 роки тому
Battery swaps are definitely very important to keep older EV's going. Battery prices coming down will of course help. Cleevely are the place to go for electric car maintenence as there isn't alot of companies out there doing it at the moment and they are great at what they do. 👍
@jatinrai1645 3 роки тому
Wishing you a million subscribers soon 🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️ you do a great job love your videos ,hugs from Australia, Melbourne 🙏
@GuyverGamingTV 3 роки тому
Very interesting. Another great vid. Looking forward to the next one
@MrTree421 3 роки тому
Very cool. I always thought it would be great if you could do that with the Zoe because the car has been mechanically the same since the start. So I think the zoe battery attachment is the same as it has been. Meaning in Theory a 52 kwh battery could physically fit in a 1st year zoe. With the higher sales of the Zoe in Europe seems like a very logical car for this type of service. Then again a lot of those are with a rent battery.
@Daniel1987H 3 роки тому
Imagine a world where open source software is mandatory. So many things would not needed to be replaced!
@cherylreid2964 2 роки тому
Apparently Elon Musk has made all? his work open source 🙌
@TheEVside 3 роки тому
Love it this is awesome well done Matt and team!
@cadewhite8670 3 роки тому
Love this interviewer been watching this channel been watching for ages
@bumblebee9337 3 роки тому
Rejuvenated Leaf :)
@stevenbarrett7648 3 роки тому
Soon this will be the ‘norm’ upgrading EV battery packs as time goes by....maybe a 300 mile MKI Leaf.....one day !
@paulaschofield 3 роки тому
Great to see old Leafs getting a new lease of life. It would be interesting to know how insurance companies in the UK handle EVs that have had their battery swapped. Here in NZ I have heard that some companies won't insure the cars because they have been modified, and those that will insure a modified car, won't insure the cars for the new value because in has increased in value.
@Roamor1 3 роки тому
Loved it, great positive vibes here. 🙂
@MarkLLawrence 3 роки тому
Would love to upgrade my 2012 Leaf to a 62kWh pack and add that 17.6kWh extender for the lols. Almost 80kWh would be more than my Model 3! Should be able to get 300 miles or 500km.
@theairstig9164 3 роки тому
You might need new springs for that. It won’t handle better
@luismachado6264 2 роки тому
What would cost the new battery swap ?
@MarkLLawrence 2 роки тому
Now that it's a possibility, the next thing is work on getting the cost down.
@willyd-adv 3 роки тому
Seeing all those 60% SOH batteries makes me jealous, mines at 52% 😂 but hay it was £2500 and I still use it daily, perfect as a town car
@PeterBirett 3 роки тому
So of the 8.500£ replaced battery your car’s battery must be more worth than 2.500£.
@jestronixhanderson9898 2 роки тому
Keep it rolling :) I’m still at 85% and plan to run it into the ground, hoping another 5 plus years.
@AsekiBekovy 2 роки тому
are you guys charging to 100%?
@willyd-adv 2 роки тому
@@AsekiBekovy yep. I treat mine very VERY badly on purpose as an ongoing test, so I ; -Always charge to 100% -Only plug in when the range is at - - -Have massive 225-55-18 tyres.
@AsekiBekovy 2 роки тому
@@willyd-adv wow okay, we plan on doing the opposite with our evalia ;)
@victorc7373 2 роки тому
As a soon to be leaf owner I would love a vid on your leaf tips as an enthusiast and long term leaf owner. Thanks for all the vids
@RM-lj8bv 2 роки тому
Great channel that actually gets to the root of problems and advantages of E.V.'s.
@AshleyMillsTube 3 роки тому
Gives me hope that one day a pauper like me will be able to afford an electric car with decent range.
@jockd7 2 роки тому
Don't worry Ashley...synthetic fuels are on the way...
@richardthegreat 3 роки тому
Great to see! I’m surprised Muxsan are involved in every update though, seems to be a bit of a bottle neck if these was to keep scaling.
@JohnDoe-bd5sz 3 роки тому
They probably need to "hack" some activation scheme with individual keys. Really annoying, that the manufacturers seems to do everything they can to prevent independent garages, doing repairs on their cars. If this was as easy as unscrewing the battery pack, unplugging it, and then plug and install a new battery pack, it would be something that even ordinary people could do themselves. Newer cars are even worse from what i have seen. New cars have the battery pack as an integral part of the chassis frame in the bottom of the car. Probably somewhere between impossible and very very hard, to replace.
@cherylreid2964 2 роки тому
@@JohnDoe-bd5sz newer batteries are longer lasting🙌
@JohnDoe-bd5sz 2 роки тому
@@cherylreid2964 so they say...only time will tell
@LossyLossnitzer 3 роки тому
I shuddered at 8:49 seeing the laptop sort of balanced on the roof of the car. This is good and the right to repair is a good thing and extending the life and usability of the Leaf is a great thing. The cost of the pack is over 10 times the value of the car I brought 3 years ago at £700 and I have only spent £1000 on repairs + Z rated tyres since then, but it is petrol and I have only done 12,000 since I bought it. I am an evil person by using fast fossil fuel V6 car :) Thank you for sharing
@jestronixhanderson9898 3 роки тому
Finally Robert, your Leaf followup episode :) been waiting :)
@DanielZajic 3 роки тому
Very cool. I wish I could convert our i3 Rex 22kWh to 40 or 60kWh and remove the engine, then take the 22kWh and use it for a home battery backup.
@DalasEVRepair 3 роки тому
Totally doable, did a 60->120Ah swap a few months ago!
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