The BEST 2.5GbE AMD Ryzen Firewall-Virtualization Host-Desktop Box?

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We take a look at an AMD Ryzen 4x 2.5GbE machine with features straddling the line between virtualization, firewall, router, and desktop. We ran the AMD Ryzen 7 5825U 8 core/ 16 thread machine through OPNsense, pfSense, Proxmox VE, Ubuntu, and Windows 11 to see if it was better at the router/ firewall, virtualization server, or desktop use cases. In the end, we learned a lot about this funky machine, but perhaps not what role it is best suited for with its 4x Intel i226-V NICs.
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Timestamps
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00:00 Introduction
01:43 Pricing
02:22 External Hardware Overview
05:48 Internal Hardware Overview
10:41 Testing OPNsense, pfSense, Proxmox VE, Ubuntu, and Windows 11
13:07 Performance and a Warning
15:31 Power Consumption and Noise
19:45 Key Lessons Learned
22:23 Final Words
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@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

A quick note, I said RDNA not Vega on the graphics and we did not catch it. My bad!

@bits2646 Рік тому

Was just to write that then I saw, correct, RDNA2 is available from 6000 series up, also in some form 1 core/2CU with only basic display functionality also on 7000 desktop

@marcosscriven Рік тому

Please can you post the iommu groups on this? There’s a script,if you google “iommu groups arch”.

@DominicFlynn Рік тому

@@bits2646 I don't think so. 6000 series of RDNA1

@bits2646 Рік тому

@@DominicFlynn 660M & 680M = Rembrandt; Rembrandt = RDNA 2

@bits2646 Рік тому

@@DominicFlynn RDNA only had few dGPU models and was not even intended because of introduction of new architecture

@DarkMatter112358 Рік тому

microSD cards are TF cards under a different name. Back in 2004, when Motorola and SanDisk released the TF card, it launched as a separate standalone product. Aside from the fact that TF cards supported the same standard specs as an SD card (other than the size), TF cards were a separate, non-standardized product class. To standardize these flash memory cards, the SD Association adopted TF cards as microSD cards.

@varno Рік тому

It is also probably due to licensing. Sd requires an expensive trademark license, whilst tf doesn't.

@sleazybreezy Рік тому

TF = Transflash. 20 years on could have alternative percepted meanings.

@pmkwiek Рік тому

@@sleazybreezy 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣☠️

@zeli Рік тому

Hi Patrick, nice video again! A couple of comments based on my experience with how people in China uses these units: 1. Those who use firewall box like these in China rarely runs them as a single router / firewall, since there are just much lower-cost option if that's the case (such as R2S, R4S, those are ARM-based OpenWRT firewall box). Most of the time they actually install multiple router OSes so that one can do multi-WAN and be the main router (e.g. routerOS / iKuai etc.), while another to run services such as ad-blocker and bypassing the GFW (on heavily-customised OpenWRT firmware). Also some people use them as HTPC by passing the iGPU through to a windows VM, and also installing NAS OSes on them; 2. The 'cable' you refer to that has USB-C on one end and barrel jack on the other is also not uncommon, it essentially just 'trick' the USB-C outlet to provide 19-20V and send it to the barrel jack. People commonly buy them to use their usb-c charger (the multi-port GaN versions are dirt cheap in China and almost everybody has them) to power their old laptop that don't have USB-C PD ports. I had one where I've used it with my old Dell laptop and it worked great (until I got a new laptop and I no longer need the cable); 3. The 'adapter board' for the 2nd NVME ssd is a new features in these firewall unit, with the most common use case being to allow a M.2 SSD to be plugged into the WiFi / LTE mini-PCIe slot 4. Regarding these 4x network port motherboard, one manufacturer even created a version recently with 6x SATA board, aiming at those who uses these board as NAS motherboard (but had to use a M.2 - multiple SATA port card to expand the connectivity);

@communicationiskey- Рік тому

I was always wondering why Patrick was always reviewing very expensive units. Respectfully, these videos are becoming redundant and boring! Would be interesting to see small much less expensive hardware used for different purpose, on same network as you describe above. Let make Patrick more innovative and think outside the box …

@chromerims Рік тому

Z Li . . . good comments. Thank you 👍

@dopeytree Рік тому

This would be a good base for a nas.. 15w as well compared to my intel i9

@ericneo2 Рік тому

Thanks for that, LTE mini-PCIe makes a lot of sense, something to failover if the main link goes down. The 6x SATA board for a NAS sounds interesting. 1x for OS, 4x for ZFS, 1xSLOG sounds perfect, just needs 2.5/10Gb networking.

@toast1797 Рік тому

I'm pretty sure the "external" M.2 slot is intended for external GPUs which would make it a pretty cool machine for virtualized gaming

@yuuki-yuuki Рік тому

I was thinking the same when I was watching the video. Can easily do a M.2 to PCIe conversion and add any PCIe device on that, not just a GPU but can also do a SAS card or a Mellanox NIC.

@btudrus Рік тому

Or a dual 10gbe NIC...

@RyTrapp0 Рік тому

REALLY hope someone experiments with this in the future - for gaming or otherwise. The capabilities of modern hardware today is incredible, and that's even with pretty half assed cooling! lol, I'd really like to design & 3D print a custom case and swap the fans out(and possibly adapt a better cooler for the CPU), really upgrade the whole package, make the 3rd M.2 more accessible for adapters and such(maybe some sort of support rails to stabilize things a little). To think, this is just a 'standard'(if higher tier) nothing special mobile chip. Not some uncommon really high end CPU, just what you can easily find in a not insignificant portion of the mobile market. It wasn't that long ago, this sort of CPU would be a 'high end workstation' chip lol.

@yuuki-yuuki Рік тому

@@RyTrapp0 lol "8 cores hedt" just a few years ago.

@pingtime Рік тому

@@yuuki-yuuki as 10 core HEDT Haswell-E user I can say, yes, it's sucks nowadays mobile processor almost have the all capabilities as my "HEDT" system for way less money and power consumption 😔

@lesumsi Рік тому

Stop showing these! I've already committed to a new box based on your review. Can't replace them every month! 😀

@Leo-sd3jt Рік тому

Just send the old ones to me

@DavidTrejo Рік тому

😆

@steveburke3 Рік тому

🤣🤣

@geekgee Рік тому

I feel your pain. 😉

@lesumsi Рік тому

@@Leo-sd3jt Sorry, I'm financially limited of actually buying one every month :(

@TrTai Рік тому

Practically made for the 'Forbidden Router' type projects, just wish there were more ways to leverage iGPUs with virtualization platforms

@trumanbeal5668 Рік тому

Really dig all of these funky boxes.. I could totally see a killer fw with this

@HeikosGarage Рік тому

Great video. I am still looking forward to the firewall box with a j6413 review from you. Keep up the good work.

@davidneal1127 Рік тому

Ok I'm officially excited about the 10 gig review coming up! Even though I just bought a 2.5 gig box based on a previous review. Lol. You guys are very informative but hard on the wallet.

@wolffstarr Рік тому

Correction - the 5825U is (sadly, since I have one in my laptop) a Vega 8 iGPU. RDNA integrated graphics didn't start until the Ryzen 6000 series.

@shanent5793 Рік тому

"Secure Digital" is an oxymoron in China

@fteoOpty64 Рік тому

"Now the first feature is the POWER Button..." very funny Patrick!.

@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

I never actually had to use the power button because it was set to power on AC by default :-)

@murderbymodem Рік тому

I'm eagerly awaiting your review of the 6x i226-V Celeron J6413 unit! I have a J6412 unit on order. I wanted to keep the budget low and not over-complicate things with virtualization - as I already have a Proxmox server build on my network. Will likely try to run OpenWRT bare metal, as I'm already used to running OpenWRT on my current Linksys router.

@akska10 Рік тому

thanks for the video.. i discovered your channel recently and I'm really linking it. but i think the power consumption chapter should be more detailed considering power is one of main reasons why buying those.

@festro1000 Рік тому

Love the idea of the nvme conversion board, from the looks of it it gives you the choice of WiFi (from the antenna plugs on the front) or extra storage using the adapter. I have to admit it's a nice design offering options you don't usually see on many of these micro PCs, pretty bummed it's out of my price range.

@alexatkin Рік тому

I thought it a bit strange the slot on the side wasn't WiFi keyed given its position might fit a WiFi card if it had a bracket connected to the motherboard.

@festro1000 Рік тому

@@alexatkin maybe someone can fab a custom pcb to slot it in and extend it similar to those m.2 extender iser cables like you see for many laptops.

@gmy123 Рік тому

TF -> TransFlash (is the OG name... before SD)

@kian8382 Рік тому

Great to see the new set Patrick.

@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

Slowly coming together.

@scsirob Рік тому

Well, what a coincidence! I just got two of these, bought them barebones. I specifically bought this type because the Intel i226 chipset is supported by VMWare ESXi 7.0 with a fling, and with ESXi 8.0 *native* .. I got 64GB for each box and it's now running a nice little low-power but high core vSphere homelab. Maybe not the best performer ever created, but definitely a great little lab that runs a whole bunch of VMs without issue. Oh, on opening the chassis, you can do just 4 screws and tilt the half shell out.

@letterspace1letterspace266 Рік тому

Finally they put the video out on the back panel

@dimitriid Рік тому

That side m.2 slot I think I know why they could have done it like that: There's a few m.2 to pci-e docks out there for things like external GPUs or other pci-e devices. They're intended to just connect to laptops without thunderbolt if you're willing to just run them without the cover or make a hole in the cover to pass that cable thing through. Maybe they thought people would like to put pci-e devices on this and decided 'Hey we could extend this and put another m.2 on the side' So if you're ok with the clutter and unprotected devices you could probably also do something like 10gig ethernet with that raiser cable going into the side of it. Still very weird though.

@pr0gre551ve Рік тому

Got mine with 5600U few weeks ago, paired with 2 x 8GB Crucial 3200MHz, Samsung 980 500GB NVME. Setup with ESXi 8, virual pfSense 2.6 and some extra VMs works like a charm. On idle CPU is dead silent, but when loaded fans do spin up. Not a issue as the unit is quite powerful :)

@alexbredesen1462 Рік тому

I should be getting mine in the next 2 weeks. I wanted something more powerful than all the celeron options :)

@alberth4890 Рік тому

Which vendor did you buy it from KingnovPC or Hunsn? What was the AC to DC power adapter make and model? These of vendors don’t provide higher quality supplies such as Delta. Thanks

@pr0gre551ve Рік тому

@@alberth4890 Topton Computer Store, PSU is standard, does not look HQ

@DrivingWithJake Рік тому

Very interesting. I need to look at some pie's for connecting up libnms for our monitoring in the data center.

@alex75hgft Рік тому

I've got this unit from CWWK, it came with a slightly beefier PSU. I'm running windows 2022 virtualising opnsense and home assistant, probably running more VMs later. I want to get a Google Coral TPU in one of those PCI slots later passed through to home assistant to perform machine learning in frigate NVR. No idea if I'll manage to get pcie pass through to work. Definitely has plenty of horse power. It is incredible to see it perform better than an 8th gen desktop core i5/i7

@mutantblue99 Рік тому

I am speculating, but I am willing to bet that the third M.2 connector on the side was supposed to have a ribbon cable to allow for an additional PCIe device sitting somewhere. (Like a link for a bigger GPU for crypto mining or gaming, Etc.) This being from AliExpress means it was possibly built for the Chinese market and could not make that detail known.

@denvera1g1 Рік тому

Cant wait for the Ryzen 7 6800u in this form factor for $500 this would be a great little SteamOS box

@tockar Рік тому

Same, once Rembrandt will be available, or those boxes with Tiger Lake become a bit cheaper, I want this as a multimedia device with AV1 decode. It will last years.

@semosesam Рік тому

You'd obviously need a different chassis, but it would be a cool project to add a 10Gb NIC (or two) using an M.2 adapter. Hopefully we start seeing them built in with the 6000 series, though! I miss the early designs that had 4 M.2 slots on the back of the motherboard...

@frankwong9486 Рік тому

Maybe we can use a nvme soft cable and reposition that side nvme,and connect it with pcie device or simply a nvme

@skyline8121 Рік тому

Thank you patrick, oh wow... That 3rd nvme port seems interesting for placing an nvme to pcie x16 adapter and use a gpu to expand it 😁😁🥳🥳

@LerrySanders Рік тому

TF stands for TransFlash. Which is like SD only slightly different. Im not 100% sure if there is a 1:1 compatibility between the two, but from what I remember TF is slower and offers lower capacity drives

@henderstech Рік тому

I really need one of these!

@AlexanderAtlas Рік тому

Thanks for your review, just got one for my home server/virtual router. Waiting for memory and ssd now.

@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

As a tip we found later… If you are using Windows, you can give it a try on this system and it might activate via a BIOS key activation. Apparently, many of these, even barebones systems had OEM BIOS Windows Pro key licenses.

@AlexanderAtlas Рік тому

@@ServeTheHomeVideo Thanks , for a note.

@AlexanderAtlas Рік тому

@@ServeTheHomeVideo Hi Patrick, yesterday finished to assemble homelab server and installed proxmox + opnsense. (allocated 4 cores for it) speedtest throughput for that setup was even better than throughput through my working horse ASUS RT-AC86u router and was very close to 1Gb. Even though server is a little bit warm but all is flying , going to install some docker containers like pi-hole, ubuntu with IDS and maybe NAS for junk temporary downloads. Again thanks for your honest review!

@I4get42 Рік тому

Ooh, that side nvme m.2 would make sense for a m.2 to pcie adapter 😍 only 4x lanes, but hello GPU or 10 gig NIC 😉

@Chris_In_Texas Рік тому

I love my SlimQ power adapters, both for the USBC and 19VDC plugs. I have a number of them any they work great! I can power 3 laptops off the 240W version, 1 on 19VDC and 2 on USBC.

@MarkConstable Рік тому

Patrick, could you please specify whether M.2 slots are B-key (2 lanes) or M-key (4 lanes) and any gotchas like SATA-only speed. Also, the transfer speeds (or generation) of USB 3 slots would be useful.

@kwinzman Рік тому

Since the Ryzen 7 5825U supports ECC RAM. Can you please add an ECC SO-DIMM and test if it's recognized on that mainboard?

@btudrus Рік тому

+1 please!

@o.l.k.s.n Рік тому

According to the Aliexpress page: the product does *NOT* support ECC. I believe the main reason for that is: they sell the same box with different CPU variants and the same mainboard should support Ryzen 5 5600U as one of these options but this CPU is a non-ECC one. I see the logic was like: it's cheaper to produce a single variant of the mainboard and then only swap CPUs there but it's weird to sell a PC with a pre-soldered non-ECC CPU on an ECC-enabled mainboard. Thus they ditched ECC support on the mainboard for all variants.

@kwinzman Рік тому

@@o.l.k.s.n That's a shame about the Aliexpress description. I don't believe your theory though. The CPUs that don't support it just ignore the extra traces on the motherboard. I am assuming the BIOS is standardized so I highly doubt there is extra cost adding checks for CPUs that don't support ECC. If ECC is not supported then that's due to the pure apathy of the board vendor.

@kaseyboles30 Рік тому

You would use that 3td nvme with an adapter cable, kind of like the pcie riser cables for vertical mounting gpus. Not sure where in there you would mount it, but that's what you would have to do.

@jeremymigonis2498 Рік тому

I would love to use one of these for this purpose, but I would also love to use one just as a Docker host. I've used Docker in Unraid, in a VM, and bare metal, and the bare metal experience is much better.

@turosianarcher8771 Рік тому

The two M.2 slots on the board are clearly marked (as can be seen at 8:21) as: M2_SSD1 & M2_WLAN1. To the right of the two slots are two screw holes, one lower down at 2230 distances from the M2_WLAN1 port and the other at 2280 distance from the M2_SSD1. The funky "H board" as Patrick calls it is connected to the M2_WLAN1 and makes that 2230 only slot accept a 2280 M.2 card. Looks like a passive adapter to give you a longer slot. The "3rd" NVME port is pretty interesting too. With appropriate cabling you could effectively give yourself an external M.2 and/or PCIe slot. Probably just not used in this model.

@camjohnson2004 Рік тому

As for that NVMe slot on the side of the case you could use it with one of the M.2 to PCIe X16 adapters to use an External GPU

@btudrus Рік тому

Or an external NIC (1x25gbe or 2x10gbe)...

@isaacaymerich2741 Рік тому

Did you tried over proxmox if you can passtrough iGPU to a VM and i226 to a Vm for virtualized FW? Thanks for your amazing review as always :)

@Knaveofspades6 Рік тому

TF = TransFlash, original name for SD. Great Work, Carry on :-)

@christianedelmann6880 Рік тому

I really want to see if you can use these as a open PLC box and use them for industrial vision systems! Probably could connect it to a mesa IO card and controll a whole machine.

@excitedbox5705 Рік тому

That side m.2 is probably for a wifi 6 module for a case that has holes for the double antenna connectors to go out the side. those wifi modules are quite short usually.

@yusky03 Рік тому

The travel power adapter is 20v only and this unit only supports 12-19v so that is where the efficiency comes from but it might kill it given enough time.

@greenlinepcs Рік тому

Great video! Did you happen to see if the board supported udimm ram?

@cbqbone Рік тому

perhaps the 3rd nvme slot was meant for an extender that would go to a case mounted slot...might be a case revision out there that has an externally accessible nvme slot.

@NdxtremePro Рік тому

So, for that third NVNe slot, you can get wired adapters to turn that into a PCI-e x4 slot which would allow you to put in either a graphics card, NVMe cards, maybe a HBA or more. I could see this used for many use cases.

@AndrewMerts Рік тому

HBA was my first thought as well. Slap a minSAS port on there and connect it up to a tiny desktop JBOD and you've got yourself a nice NAS for running Plex, Nextcloud, backups, etc.

@draakisback 3 місяці тому

This thing has a similar spec to the machine that I just bought. Though my machine does not have 4 Nic ports, just 2. I decided against the firewall form factor because my machine is going to be sitting in my basement, and it's really only going to be connected to the Wi-Fi router down there. If in the future I have to add more devices to the cluster, I'll just add a switch. These are really cool though, and I honestly believe that we're seeing a renaissance as far as minicomputing goes. I got mine as a do-it-all style device, I've got proxmox with PFsense and pi hole, then I've got 10 other VMs which I use for a development and video editing, and I've got a dedicated VM for my NAS which is just a very simple little box. I upgraded the RAM to 64gigs and I can't say I've had any complaints.

@YKSGuy Рік тому

I bet the 3rd M.2 is meant to be used with another funky riser or a flexible M.2 extender of some kind.

@YM-xz6xt Рік тому

Thanks Patrick! Again an amazing job, a full review in +-20min, well done! I'm wondering, would any of the tiny NVME SSD of Kioxia fit in this 3rd slot? I believe they are 2030 size.

@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

My concern is more the ability to secure the SSD. To get this working, we left the chassis open and just had the SSD sticking out, but no chance you can run that realistically long term. I would be worried about even a breeze knocking the M.2 drive out.

@YM-xz6xt Рік тому

@@ServeTheHomeVideo I just received the 5800U and on proxmox with 2 LAN connections it idles at 7 watt (stock power supply). It is indeed tricky to put an NVME SSD in the third slot. I tried a 2230 SSD but it is still too long, so you should drill a piece at the side to get it in, or find a short extention cable but where to find such a cable is the question. Otherwise, there is at the bottom of the case, close to the 3rd NVME slot plate that is ready to be removed in order to pass a cable. Could be used for an external GPU or so.

@daninmanchester Рік тому

So that weird NVME slot is a PCIE 3.0 x 4? That would be super handy. I take these sort of units and put them in 1U rack as a mini NAS. That would be an awesome PCIE break out for a full size card.

@gabrielebettin Рік тому

Man, review that R86S :D we are all hungry to see a decent review in English! :D Thanks for this amazing review! Keep it up!

@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

Trying to finish it this week. I had a bad burrito in Scottsdale Friday and have been sick since then.

@gabrielebettin Рік тому

@@ServeTheHomeVideo holy cow man! I was bad this weekend too! Nothing fancy...just standard flu! The bell is on! Just waiting! Thanks again and hope you get better asap!

@icksdeh Рік тому

Nice device, would like one of these with 2 Sata Ports, so it could run trueNAS in Proxmox 🙌

@protogenxl Рік тому

I would think the third nvme socket on the edge would be used with a another riser to mount a Wi-Fi card in a larger case

@mystarnoxs Рік тому

Ah man. Another one added to my list.

@slithery9291 Рік тому

Another great video Patrick. You always mention Proxmox compatibility on these videos and the main site reviews but I don't think that I've ever seen you cover XCP-ng. I've recently relegated my old desktop to home lab functions (including virtualised OPNsense) and decided to go that route for my hypervisor because of the more intuitive UI (especially when using the full open-source version of Xen Orchestra). Are there any plans for STH to cover it as an alternative to ESXi or Proxmox?

@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

We may, but the ecosystem behind KVM is just so big at this point given how much it is used in the cloud.

@geekinasuit8333 Рік тому

@@ServeTheHomeVideo What I do is run LXC containers on my cloud servers, it's considerably more efficient on resources than the hypervisor route, and if paired with an advanced FS such as ZFS or BTRFS I can set storage quotas for each container. I still use hypervisors for the odd use case when a container won't serve the need, such as for running Windows or for access to HW abstraction, and they will co-exist alongside containers just fine. A 64Gb 8c/16t box as reviewed could run at least a dozen containers simultaneously and a few VM's without breaking a sweat. BTW Thanks for the review, it was very helpful. The trouble with these Chinese devices is you never know what you will actually get, the specs I've seen are poorly written and contain incorrect or misleading data, but these little boxes are too amazing to pass up for what they can do. After seeing what you discovered, I think I'll buy a bare bones box and install my own NVMe storage and RAM. What's fun these days is with home fibre Internet and a few tiny boxes, you can operate a reliable and very capable mini data center in a home that uses up only a small amount of space.

@BF26595 Рік тому

Can you just imagine if amd developed an esxi driver to support vsga for the integrated gpu? That would be a sick home virtualization box :)

@jja2000 Рік тому

You mentioned that these have display out over usbc, but do they also do power delivery? Would be interesting to use a proper usbc charger instead of one of those iffy chargers you'll typically find with these.

@dimitristsoutsouras2712 Рік тому

In order to be able to use pfsense at it s best potential on top of proxmox, you need to know beforehand if this motherboard can split it's components so for you to be able to passthrough some or all ports to the pfsense's Vm. Did you try that?

@ganeryhyperion8386 Рік тому

maybe that 3rd nvme slot , can be use as external gpu or added nics or sfp card and make a external or add on mounting system on it 🤔

@javiervidaltellols3355 Рік тому

Could you try to use that third port to add an external pcie device like a GPU, SATA card or even a 4 Ethernet port maybe 🤔

@ericneo2 Рік тому

Can't wait to see the 10GBe one

@YKSGuy Рік тому

They need to stop teasing us with it however I expect it will be the opposite of this review, I expect the CPU to be underpowered for the 10GBe ports. You can search the STH forum for r86s to see it mentioned. Keeps getting bumped for other reviews.

@ericneo2 Рік тому

@@YKSGuy Thank you so much, I've been looking for something just like this. But yeah you're right the N series chips might not work that well with something that has up to 3 different networking chips.

@tfharper Рік тому

TF = Transflash. It was a name used with some flash cards that seems to have dried up here in the US, but is still used in China a lot. Everything I see from aliexpress that takes a micro sd card is referred to as 'tf reader'.

@daslolo Рік тому

Can you do a video on link aggregation? there is a lot of misconception out there!

@alvindasmart1569 Рік тому

Nice for vt nas & m.2 for sata

@fongsa1yuk 5 місяців тому

Did you try to power it with USB-C and with barrel connector at the same time? It would be nice to have redundant power supply for it.

@chromerims Рік тому

Ryzen 5800U > 5825U . . . in this situation. Agreed. Jolly terrific video 👍 As with its i7-1165 cousin, this device might be another candidate for converged, composable cattle in a home lab. Kindest regards, neighbours and friends.

@pingtime Рік тому

The Chinese really using those PCIe lanes to the max, a massive props to them 👏

@Mitchell7790 Рік тому

Any idea if VMware ESXi works on this? Been looking for something compact for a homelab/travel lab, I like the Supermicro Xeon D boxes but they are expensive.

@Watchingyou-daily Рік тому

TF cards were developed to be smaller and more compact than SD cards while also preserving the functionality of SD cards.

@surfacingcom Рік тому

I'm wondering about 3 minutes with a dremel and one of those m.2 to 6 sata ports cards.

@BGraves Рік тому

Thanks for starting with the price. TEDW too expensive didn't watch

@kumphanartd Рік тому

I have Graphics card connect from the 3rd NVME on the side with M.2 -> PCIE Riser. However, I notice that the 2nd NVME with Relocation Adapter is convertion from E Key to M Key, So I do not sure what is the PCIE Lane you will get from the 2nd NVME Slot.

@bgbc1 Рік тому

the m.2 slot you can secure it with a extensor, see no problem at that...

@haxwithaxe Рік тому

The third "nvme" slot would probably work well for some other m.2 devices. Maybe another NIC (with an extra hole in the case).

@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

No way to secure even a riser into that slot which is the big challenge.

@btudrus Рік тому

@@ServeTheHomeVideo You would need a different case.

@pmkwiek Рік тому

The original mame for microsd was transflash (tf). Hence the tf everywhere.

@brutester Рік тому

Some interesting thoughts I have on this product: 1. I think you can you put an NVMe to PCI-e x16 raiser. Then you can connect a SATA HBA and do a storage server! 2. There are those NVMe to 10G cards - you can get a 10G uplink ;) 3. Does this board support ECC memory? If so then it makes it a clear winner over every Celeron out there.

@brutester Рік тому

P.S. You can also install a Wifi module on an NVMe and make it a WiFi router

@JuanmaCapote 6 місяців тому

Do you have a link to the product you are talking about?

@DaleEarnhardtsSeatbelt Рік тому

dammit i just set up my n5105 kingnovy box, now i want one of these. Maybe once i get a handle on opnsense. My box from kingnovy has 3 m.2 keys and also has that same pcb nvme relocator board.

@alfblack2 Рік тому

awsome. I though cn manufacturers ran out of options after the N6000 series. But nope! more Mininess! I LOVE IT! Hmm.. mini kubernetes cluster. :D

@RollnBy106 Рік тому

I wonder transcoding would be like? Can this do in hardware video transcoding?

@the_beefy1986 Рік тому

That unusually placed m.2 slot might be well placed for an egpu setup...

@lwwarren Рік тому

Could you put an M.2 extender cable and use the 3rd slot with the NVMe drive flipped over back into the case? Maybe with a smaller form factor drive like a 2230? Inland and WD have 1TB M.2 2230 drives for under $250. SKHynix & Micron have a 512GB model for only $140.

@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

The challenge is how do you secure that M.2 extender to the slot.

@r.j.bedore9884 Рік тому

That third M.2 slot is probably intended for one of those Wi-Fi or LTE cellular modules that you often see in laptops. They are much shorter and would probably fit with the case closed. Edit: Though, I don't know how well one of those would work inside of this metal case.

@igordasunddas3377 Рік тому

You normally have some round bumps on the WiFi card, that you attach an antenna to. At least that's the case for many laptops.

@spinallhead Рік тому

Quick question (from a newbie): could I use this thing as a firewall AND a home theater/media PC at the same time? If so, how could I do it?

@richardahlquist5839 Рік тому

Ok so this thing for a router is just nuts. After watching your vid on the HP T740 Thin client I built a router from one. 8Gb ram, 128gb SSD, Mellanox ConnectX-3 dual SFP+ running 2.5Gb to my cable modem (1.2Gbps service) and a 10Gbps DAC to my Aruba s2500 POE switch. That thin client spends its life nearly totally idle ( loads 0.70, 0.34, 0.22 ) LOL. So this device for router, is gonna be flat insanely overpowered. I love it. IF you could lock the power draw on this, to 25w you could power it over 802.3at with a POE splitter. Some mini pc let you limit power in bios, does this?

@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

Maybe PoE++. I would be a bit worried about staying below 25W even when the Ryzen is capped. You also have the memory, ~5W for the NICs, SSD, and the fan.

@richardahlquist5839 Рік тому

@@ServeTheHomeVideo Definitely a fair point. Tech is getting closer though. I'm using Poe+ splitters with my Aruba to power my Netgear WAX202 ap, my ooma teleo, Inovato Quadra I have pikvm on, and the pi zero Ntp server I designed and built that using gps is accurate to a standard deviation of 42.667 microseconds over the past week. Hoping for a brick less future. 🤣

@GENERALCHAOS13 Рік тому

have someone build a Case Extension to use The ODROID H2/H3 Net card brings 4 additional 2.5 GbE Ethernet ports in the M.2 Format

@HungVu-ny1ig Рік тому

I225V has been known for their hardware issues in all 3 steppings (B1, 2, and 3). Are those issues still a thing in the 226 (same family)?

@weifengmao Рік тому

That "external nvme slot" might actually be designed for external pcie devices (external GPU). That's quite a smart design I believe there are nvme to pcie adapters.

@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

The hard part is there is no way to lock such an adapter in.

@jedring3756 Рік тому

Just curious, is there a 1u system that uses a board like this? i prefer to have my firewall rackmount.

@dinjoDJ Рік тому

Can M90q gen3 installed with 2.5g nic if yes which one Lenovo only provides 1g

@johntheawsomeful Рік тому

Oh the M.2 slot is for optional WiFi according to Hunsn

@murraywebster1228 Рік тому

Can you do a video showing how to set this up as a firewall with a secondary function, I have a studio and firewall my primary DAW pc and then maybe use this to offload some of my plugin load to this would be an interesting option…….what do you think?

@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

Typically we do this kind of content on the main site (much larger audience than our UKposts): ESXi on one: www.servethehome.com/topton-fanless-intel-core-i7-1165g7-box-running-vmware-esxi-veeam-and-pfsense/ Pass-through with Promxox: www.servethehome.com/how-to-pass-through-pcie-nics-with-proxmox-ve-on-intel-and-amd/

@murraywebster1228 Рік тому

@@ServeTheHomeVideo 👌, thankyou for the prompt response

@MarkConstable Рік тому

Wow, what a tease. That advertised 3rd NVMe slot can't actually be used when fully assembled. That is bizarre! I think I'll wait for some kind of next gen model that has the almighty magic 4x NVMe slots.

@shephusted2714 Рік тому

you can still do 5g with bond/bridge

@alexbredesen2724 Рік тому

I'm curious. Did you make any bios changes?

@ezwider4652 Рік тому

I’m not even sure why I need one of these beyond my ASUS router and the Frontier one that brings the signal in (FIOS)

@plokko1 11 місяців тому

I am very interested on those 2.5gbe boxes but i have a question: my aim is to lower the energy consumption of my home setup by replacing my Home assistant low power server, file server and 2.5g switch with one of those. They do have various port and a switch do consume power so by using it as a switch would lower the power requirements and money (i can sell my switch and hardware or at least power them off). I would put Proxmox on those and create a OVS switch on all the ports but will it have perforamnce comparted to a switch and how much cpu will it use? I don't have particular needs, my configuration is simple (no vlans, etc.) could you test it out because this boxes come relatively cheap and a proper 2.5g switch is not cheap so knowing that you get a "free 2.5g switch" would sweeten the deal and real world performance would be great!

@ServeTheHomeVideo 11 місяців тому

You do not want to use these as a switch, for low power use the ones we just reviewed instead ukposts.info/have/v-deo/iZd9iWN_i2d2l2g.html The NICs are connected directly to the CPU via PCIe and you do not want to have multiple ports traversing the CPU.

@plokko1 11 місяців тому

@ServeTheHome Thank you for the quick reply; i already have a XGS1250-12 so i'm already fully covered but i was wondering what performance difference (mostly lag i presume) i would have by virtualizing the switch on those hi-power routers; i know it sounds silly as any switch would outperform a software but my aim was to lower the number of devices and power consumption (the switch in idle would consume the same as the router,i can even avoid buying a switch), i know it's possible but slow but i just wanted to know how slow if paired with this powerfull CPUs. Virtual switches are widely used in VM environments so i'm wondering if performance would be so bad (i know hw to virtual to hw is not ideal). Care to do a quick test please? Just an OpenSwitch configuration on proxmox and some iperf on some ports just to see why we don't do this or if it's feasible with limitations 😅

@7rich79 Рік тому

One thing I'd like to see more of in devices like this is a kettle lead socket for power. There is usually enough space to allow for this, and I'd happily pay the extra few dollars for it.

@marcosscriven Рік тому

If you wanted that to plug into the device, the PSU would then need to be internal.

@HostilePride Рік тому

Do these run from an external transformer? If so then building the transformer into the device just requires more cooling and space, which starts to detract from the small form factor which is what attracts a lot of people to it in the first place. It would make it convenient to set up though. Knowing me I would just design and 3D Print a solution lmfao.

@7rich79 Рік тому

When looking at the power consumption though, I don't think heat will be a huge concern. Looking at the size of the external power supply, the case wouldn't need to be extended too much to house it internally.

@HostilePride Рік тому

@@7rich79 it's still defeating the purpose of the device though. Having to take the entire thing apart when you could have swapped an external power supply is enough to turn most techs off, especially if they want to deploy a lot of devices. Just because it can be done doesn't mean it should. If you can have a larger more heat dependent device, you already can with a custom built small form factor PC. :P

@7rich79 Рік тому

@Hostile Pride to each their own :) I generally prefer devices where I don't have to consider making room for an external power supply and the extra cable management that brings.