@Ziv Zulander I am offended, but also very much so agree.

But only briefly

I am an idiot when it comes to computers, so this is the perfect guide for me 👌👌

I know that I know just enough to get by but still be an idiot when it comes to building computers. I use to build them, but it's been 15 years since I build one as I moved over to a laptop for convenience. Now that I want a desktop one, the tech has really changed so I'm kinda lost. I'm glad there are tech guys like Jay that can help me do it right the first time so I don't have to pull things out a do it again.

He called us an idiot and we still watched the video.. we in a cult now 🤣

So true 😔

came to say the exact same thing.

That’s exactly what I was thinking

how dare you disrespect Phil like that.

I actually thought I had something else playing in the back ground I was so confused

same here

me too

best way cus top is the exost port and back so ur heting it up a little i say in front for cool air intake but up side down so air is on top and liwied and hose on bottom and if u payed over 200 to 300 and ur pump cant pump a foot up then its trash cus i deal with pumps all time and depending on size thay all ment to pump up but some like small one only ment to pump a foot up for like a small water founting or somthing like that or even a aio

Same here.

Yeah I just fitted my first AIO in the last 2 days and even though it's at the top with an inlet pump I wanted to watch this again.

thank you

u r a hero

Lmao thank you 😂

THX!!!!

Thank you! For someone saying that someone else's video was too long, he should have watched this before uploading it.

Which aio you have? Its is running fine since a decade, and its fine?

@@sMv-Afjal It's the stock AIO that came with my processor, the AMD FX 8150.

Yeah I have a coupled dirt cheap ebay used 120mm AIOs that are definitely 6+ years old now and they still operate fine. One of them a Corsair H50 (converted to H55 for AMD) I used to this day to cool my R5 3600. It's as good as the Wraith Prism (an already overkill air-cooler for a R5 3600) I was using set to High without the loud noise that it brought. Only thing I modified was replacing the Corsair 120mm fan with a Thermaltake ToughFan 12 so there was zero fan vibration noise.

Thanks, here I was thinking aio are not reliable at all.

@@Stephain Yeah it's definitely still holding up today. With most modern games it's actually my graphics card that's the bottle neck (GTX 960). But I will have to wait to replace that one until the whole market has calmed down again.

Truly is. You can give someone the exact lifepath to success, and they can still somehow misinterpret your instructions.

This! This is literally the only comment required to describe ANYTHING about this generation on the internet.

paaahaaahaaaaaaa. your comment is hilarious... you mean misinterpreting the words re written over a thousand years in a tacky novel by many different people and religions to suit there own needs..........

@@defsoul641 This comment told us in a funny and elegant way it is NOT a generation problem, but the mis-interpreting problem has been around for 2000 years. Different interpretation´of original information (of Jesus) has been already started by the apostles within the same generation back then (pun intended). And up to today you can find spin doctors fighting wars about semantics. Using this for generation bashing is unfair. (EDIT replaced flame phrase).

@@Thund3rstone Yea its been around for a long time but I said on the internet and on the internet it is 2000 times worse than 2000 years ago

Glad I'm not the only one that got my cooler pregnant

Pregananat!?!?

You must have used the wrong thermal compound. Use an anti static matt and latex gloves. Remember not to cross the streams. That would be bad.

@@kellyjackson1451 shit that's why then. Well the Cooler ended up leaving me and sued me for child support. 2024 getting wild

hw is aio pregrt?

YES!

Yes

YES

Stop with this bullshit lol Steve video even had graphs, plexi glass so everyone could see the flow, everything that makes it easier than this video which is just Jay rambling and even missing the point of the glexi cut. Steve video is just kinda long, nothing too difficult, people just have the attention spam of a fish, like Buildzoid says.

@@FcoEnriquePerez you ruined the yes chain you bodacious barbarian

@Joshua Steele Hell id do it for a 3080

@Joshua Steele Deal

I'm straight too. But if there is a really hot girl that just so happen to have a D, I don't think I would mind.

The radiator obviously swings both ways.

@@fourtwenty5986 Lady Sylvia enthusiast

Same, I went from top mounted to side mounted with tubes up and I started getting this slight pump noise and it got progressively louder over time.

It's still a bad idea as the air pocket at the top of the radiator limits water flow into the outlet of the radiator. You still shouldn't leave the tubes up. As the AIO gets older there will be a point the water level is too low and where air will start getting into the pump yet. It's still best to leave the AIO on the top of the case for the best life span.

@@Skylancer727 Sure, but sometimes that's just not possible, for example in some NZXT cases (H210i, H510 Elite etc.).

@@Skylancer727 you didn't watch the video. The air pocket will be trapped in the inlet side. There is no physical way it can get back to the pump once it's trapped in the inlet of the radiator. Unless the bubble is so large that the radiator is almost empty.

My h100i pro actually did that when I ran into placement issues in my meshify c.

@@ITRaidDE then get better cases lmao.

lol thanks

Steve: Watch the entire video! Johan: ...

Just got my loop yesterday was still wondering...until this! Thanks Johan!

a man for the people

KING

We needed a Tech Mesiah to understand his teachings

these people live with the curse of Babel, they dont understand the holy tech scriptures that he preaches

@@Supplice4 but jesus is the Messiah

So Jay is the Tech Pope? 🤭

Just like the real jesus

This the one :D lol. Gotta love going to Daddy Jay lmao

jay just keeps spewing nonsense. i'm a marine engineer. fluid dynamics and thermodynamics are, literally, my favourite topics outside of pure physics. and i did got my degree in the past millennia but physics of those hasn't changed from the big bang so i bet you my knowledge is still usable. tubes on the top are bad because air gets trapped in the entrance of the radiator so there is lower flux of thermal energy. that causes building of heat in the pump, translation of that heat to gasses in the connector of the radiator. gasses expand more readily in the heat then liquids so bubbles get thrown about the circulatory system and air gets logged in the radiator and the pump. heated gasses get more permiation from tubes that introduces more gas in the system. more gas gets in the radiator and the pump. you want the thermal isolator (air) in the end of the system and not at the choke, flux or critical point of ingress like the radiator connector. we build literal traps for gasses above connectors of critical systems to avoid anything but perfect transition of maximum flow calculated by bernoulli equation. i just couldn't watch the "you think this or that" attitude and then going on some tangent. either get on the topic or don't make the video, jay.

@@sakatababa How would air bubbles in the barb (hose) end of the radiator impact dissipation of heat? Unless the high point of the loop is @ the pump/ water block, there will be little if any impact to flow volume. The downside of having a radiator mounted vertically with the hoses at the top is that air bubbles gather by the two tanks the barbs connect to and can lead to water trickling sounds and what some customers might confuse for pump whine. The most important thing to avoid with a closed loop setup is having the water block/pump at a higher level than the top of the radiator. This can cause a big enough air bubble that the pump can't move water at all (or enough to cool the system). If the impeller isn't a magnetic levitation style, it can also destroy the pump if it's not getting water for lubrication. Closed loop AIO coolers for desktop PCs don't deal with the coolant temperatures or pressures you may be familiar with. Water temps over 50° C are pretty rare.

@@faceplants2 if you remember your bernoulli equation for flow dynamics, reduced diameter to pipe introduces buffeting that introduces cavitation that introduces more bubbles. also, reduces pressure past choke poin, increases pressure before choke point. turbulent flow is bad, very very bad. ever heard your water pipes vibrate when you turn the faucet too hard. yeah, that thing. air is thermal isolator. bad for conducting. no bueno. should be avoided in critical ingress points. creating a pocket of hot liquid coming from conductive point (the hottest point in the system) before it gets to the radiator (the cooling element) is superb sabotage. it traps heat in an isolator (plastic pipe) and just keeps piling on, changes flow dynamics (in and of itself, that is secondary to the choke) and reduces thermal conductivity of the plate (like plugging exhaust in the car engine, same thing). while i did work on systems from -40C to +320C most of my experience is with 10C-70C. and 24 years of building pc's tells me it is in the right ball park. just because i have an egineering degree does not mean i don't have extensive knowledge of computer systems. on the contrary, i currently work a cushy job as unix engineer in devops role for a major cable company. better pay, flexible hours, i get to live with my family and not some15 other guys for months at a time on a floating can. it is a water/glycol mixture. it does change some physical properties of the liquid (like surface lubrication, thermal expansion, etc). and temperature over 50C isn't rare. non-idle cpu goes readily over that mark. and liquid needs to heat up to transfer that heat away from the cpu to the radiator to, well, radiate it in ambient air. system works not with introducing cold liquid but with taking heat away. i should've been more verbose the first time and just get it over. heck, a copy/paste would suffice...

@@sakatababa I couldn't make it through your entire post. I would appreciate some brevity in the future. The phenomenon you're describing is water hammer. I'm still dubious as to whether you are as well versed in this subject as you propose to be because you are emphasizing things that are of trivial nature in the context of closed loop desktop, PC liquid cooling solutions. Whatever systems you were familiar with working on, surely you acknowledge that context, constraints and application are key

No it doesn't, fuuuuuu 😂👍

My butt

My D- in physics says otherwise

Nah, it's water that drops.

But Steve said

Lol

@@joeybergeron376 well you can post pics of your build just show the out side of the case only that is completly closed up so no one can see inside of it lol

Danger DOOM though.

@@markking3755 No, because then someone would say, "Why did you buy that case idiot? Don't you know that so and so said it's not a good case for this or that"

@@snowman22ism Thats true af bro

the sleeve does not stop permeation from the lines at all from happening💀💀

@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue I'm not sure why you think anyone is saying that. It doesn't stop permeation but it does help prevent abrasion causing a critical failure. It also serves as a minor heat shield

@@SepticFuddy well true but it's like the braided stainless steel rubber hose lines they have on the water lines at work and the boss is like there steel lines how can they leak like that and I have to tell him the steel braiding only stops the line from snapping off when it ruptures but it's not water proof so when the rubber line inside ruptures it still leaks so there are people that think the braiding should stop leakage when it does not it does help with abrasion but that is about it

@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue Yeah it's a bit silly that you have to explain that a braided material doesn't stop fluid lol

There is no confusion, there is missinformation mate :) Because they skipped the video, or copied what other said, did you just skip this video yourself ? :P

he makes his videos too long winded and boring and it is extremely tempting to skip parts of them.

@@valdezapg not his fault that you skipped? If you skipped then sounds like his contents not for you, but again not his problem

This is a common problem with his videos. Twice longer as they should be. He should hire someone who edit his scripts, and rewrite in more accesible/shorter way. Like Jay here explain same thing with a lot less talking. People don't wanna watch 30 minutes video, for things which can be explained in 5 minutes. I personally stop watching his channel because of it.

My sediments exactly.

What does your name mean?

@@augustbiernbaum4841 I think it means "Do you know this?"

@@augustbiernbaum4841 yeah that is right. that's a tagalog question that means "Do you know this?"

tama

Yep... thanks Jay for confirming I did it right by top mounting my Z73... 😂 I did it because of the 3 front 140mm fans in my FD Meshify 2 case but hey... if it helps the AIO I’m good!

Naaah, it won't burn. But it is gonna flood instead, because the air goes up, and the water seeps out at the bottom :P

I wish the music cut out when that happened.

I do kind of wish the music was cut for this part, too. I'm wondering if that's a consequence of this video possibly being edited with headphones. Considering they've been pumping out a video a day, with a 3 man crew, for this whole month I'm not going to sweat it

Thank you! I was literally about to comment and ask why they would put music during a part where they want us to hear a difference in sounds.

@@Ragnorok64 Then why not use headphones for that part 😋. I'm just being facetious lol as it's 3 am here although it was audible over speakers - it was just barely at the volume on my mini amp at the lowest setting (PC, UKposts and Browser volume at 100%). The sound also depends on the quality of the headphones too so if a person has crappy headphones they won't have much luck. It'd be best for Phil to just cut out the music for similiar scenarios in the future.

Same.. going to get my eyes tested tomorrow

I thought the heat rising thing was important myself, but from what I've since heard about PC cases and heat is that the effect of heat rising is negligible in the presence of case fans.

@@charlesurias yes this is a good comment here, because there are different type of fans, push/pull, static or pressure, etc., and if the fans are moving the air towards the exhaust fan point then exactly it's negligible because pressure is created for the air to move to that point. But, if OP for instance only has the AIO as the exhaust point, and air is oscillating inside the case, then yeah OP's set up would prove more effective. Really comes down to how the fans are set up. for me for instance, I have an NZXT H1 V2, I flipped the fan and radiator so that air is coming from the outside in, and I made fan mods for additional exhaust out. So, I have no other air besides the CPU air being pushed into the case, or from the GPU, while all my other fans are exhaust out (5 total, 3x 40mm, 1x 40mm, 1x 80mm). So far creating this dynamic I have seen reduction in CPU temps, and little to no change from advised 7900XT temps. My radiator is also configured as push rather than pull.

People put the rad in the front so that it gets the cool air from outside the case. Top mount would suck all the hot air from the gpu and.

Heat does not rise in a PC case with fans. Only in a completely passively cooled case, which an AIO would never be in.

If you put the radiator on the top, you are getting air that's ran through by gpu, thus hotter air

In a couple of years the conclusion will be that the bottom spot is the best

itll become a meme at that point. then comes the meta tiers...

Content leaching is youtubes best game for second tier creators

*paging Linus*

I nominate Linus, then Kyle needs to do a TL:DW of the TL:DW of the TL:DW.

GamersNexus for dummies

@@laurikuusisto5580 I respect the hard work they do, but I wait for other youtubers like jay or linus to explain the stuff they say because I understand nothing from their long and boring (to me) videos

@@Seif_Morsi I usually watch all of the above mentioned channels. Jay for fun and easy, Linus for the normie version and GN for the detailed version with lots of numbers. And then there is the matter of Buildzoid on AHOC... That's the real shit. Like deep. But ranty and without numbers. Like this comment. Where was I going with this? Well whatever. Love them all but for different reasons ❤👍

GamerNexus Redux

@@laurikuusisto5580 I was gonna call it the same thing

you can mount it that way, its just not the best solution, its the "i cant install the aio any other way" solution corsair for example explicitly states that in their aio faq, pump never highest point, but if possible tubes always on the bottom or the aio top mounted

top mounted also cools the gpu, but get a little hotter because of it, for more cpu cooling you can mount it in the front or side with the tubes on the bottom. but ive mounted mine on the top aswell, so thats completely valid and a perfect spot

Yeah, I feel like the editor needs a break. I can't remember his name ATM because I'm dead tired yet can't sleep I want to say phil

@@CreativityNull bro, I'm also here unable to sleep.. what a coincidence 😴 night Phil

I think my noise filter filtered it

I have bad news for you. I even heard the humming with speakers. :D

Wish I had an AIO play some smooth background music in those orientations.

So with 2 months of hindsight, how did the build go?

yeah, forward some link to pictures.. im curious too.!

@@alpha_th0t It went fine. Ended up realizing that even with the large case I have that there wouldn't be enough room for a side mounted AIO and a beefy GPU, so we went with a top mounted system. Still waiting for those GPU's to fall to a reasonable price, but other than that, it's done.

@@bizzarojerry probably going to be waiting for a LONGGG time

@@tyywitdalocs Don't I know it. But at least China has banned bitcoin mining, and the bottom has fallen out of the market. Card prices are starting to drop, and the GPU manufacturers are getting ready to launch the next generation. So supply will be booming!

Someone will link this video, on Steve's video. ;)

epic

This one and Salazar video both

Steve wasn’t a wrong this even jayztwocents admits this he just wants to tell people it’s not that serious

I pooped

I agree 😀@ JayzTwoCents

i want him to read all the comments with his derpy voice. news too. normal conversations too.

Yes!

LOL, sorta like Jimmy Kimmel's mean tweets.

I would love for Jay to be my dad

jesus, why doesn't he just show it against a motherboard. He's flipping it everywhere lol

thanx bro

@@e47kz Yeah if he would take an ATX motherboard and showed the offset of the processor where it is on the motherboard, that would be better. I have a case with 2 HD cages in the topfront. Then the radiator goes under that. Then you do get the situation that the processor is the highest point of the loop. But with cases without anything in the front, then the 360 radiator is just fine upside down in there.

thanks Lone Wolf Ex hahahah this saved me time... Jay always talks too much (maybe for the content length)...

I was going to say the same thing, LOL

roflmao 😗...

Huh. Just like regular Jesus.

ukposts.info/have/v-deo/jWWVZYFngZmYqqc.html

And that is to absolutely no fault of steves. You give them the info, and they still cant be bothered to learn. They dont even have to google it lol.

@@ValkyrieTiara the comment isnt about tech jesus, its about tech jesus followers, so your comment makes little sense, but people will like it, because crapping on religion is really popular right now. Gg.

@@imagineaworld Uh.... yeah, dude. That's the Joke. I'm specifically saying that Jesus' RL followers go around preaching without actually understanding anything Jesus said. Jesus' message was specifically about honoring God by loving your fellow man and putting others before yourself without judgement, but you have people shouting from the hilltops about how he hates gays and muslims. Cry more.

Lol I was thinking the same thing. The editor should have qued in there

Just raise the volume. You can hear it clearly

I can hear it clearly while Jay is screaming in my ear. They should have killed the music. I shouldn't have to crank the volume.

Same

Laughs in 5800x and my friends ryzen stock cooler

*Laughs in peltier*

I used a NOCTUAH 12S air CPU cooler with 5600x

Noctua NH-U12A with 5900X

That’s genz for you with there nzxt cases with 1 hole on the top

@@exo-zaddy4886 Before anything else I clicked on your YT display picture :(

Right? Super good

Ppm for air measurement...I think

@@mperry2384 nah, air is measured volumetrically. It would be cc's

Absolutely right 👍

They're probably the guys who shared Steve's video and claimed he did it wrong. (It's 61 now)

Truee...🤣🤣🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

@@rmarca8306 101 now

I work on pumps for a living, I dislike the video because thats not what I am worried about. Pump cavitation is what we are worried about.

Nah they are to busy teaching to be "woke", never the fundamentals

@@emjayel206 Such an ignorant comment. You've been out of school for ages so how the hell do you know what they teach? Everyone should know that the system has pretty much stayed relatively the same.

@@earthphoenix5226 "Considering you to have been" ??? Jesus, I guess the school system has actually gotten worse since I left. They are even skipping basic grammar to teach liberal nonsense.

no

I think the confusion can be about how much force a pump needs to overcome the rising air. Especially when viewing videos about filling custom water loops and seeing the air being pulled through the loop.

so you would generally reccomend mounting the aio to the front where possible? or is that more for specific coolers and cpu+GPU setups? in my case im running an amd ryzen 5950x with a stock cooler and an evga 1080ti. Had bought a 240mm aio to replace the stock cooler, which after testing is keeping cpu temp at around 70c maxed out and a couple extra fans blowing out the top, but discovered it wouldnt work for my setup as the top of the case lacks sufficient clearance and the front isnt compatible with it due to having drive bays for 2.5"SSD/3.5"HDD and disk readers. planning on getting a new case sometime in january, I think I've settled on a thermaltake view 71 series full tower case, which will have more than enough space for a 240mm aio, as well a new huge ass 40 series gpu when the time comes for that.

@@AtrociousAK47 I guess it really depends on how your case and components all interact together. Front fan intake and top aio exhaust will always favor the video card, at the expense of CPU temps-and vice versa. Most of the time the differences are in degrees, and cpus under gaming load generally have more headroom to run a bit warmer.

Just so Im clear you got the 4080 in your Fractal Meshify 2 case? Rad at the top and fans in the front? I have the same case and want to keep it.

@@markallen3856 Yeah there's lots of room. I have the Gigabyte Gaming OC, which is one of the bigger 4080s. It's about 14 inches long which leaves just over 4 inches between the back of the card and the front of the fans.

@@shawn2780 Most of my fans are at the front (cause Corsair 4000X things) and it actually manages to build up enough cool air in that area to reach my RAM, so I think the 3 fans at the front should be enough for my PC temps to be balanced throughout.

Well hey, Greg. Didn't expect to see you here, lol. Love your channel, too

This is seriously the kind of thing that gets my gears grinding. If you have to worry about that or shit starts leaking, you don't deserve to be in business. It's literally that fucking simple and i will start class actions against dickheads who think they can get away with scamming their customers like this. Seriously. This shit is /not/ even in the manual. Do NOT try to use it to dodge responsibility when your product damages other shit.

That's because people who bought and still are buying prebuilds doesn't have the same knowledge as us. They don't know that they have to make sure to lead the air towards the radiator, so it won't get trapped in the pump. NZXT didn't provide any manual or guide regarding this matter and therefore getting attacked by Steve, which he explicitly said in his video.

casually promoting your own video under his video...not a nice move tho

@@mathiaseichenseer9047 Ion think he was promoting, rather I believe he was stating

You’ll only understand if you’ve seen the other videos saying how not to use you inter cooler. There videos say not to do it so he’s mimicking the videos

@@TempEdits Or he's saying don't "be a dick, (especially one that's wrong)"

He's saying to stop telling people they're doing it wrong because it's fine to have the aio oriented the way he's demonstrating. Was this a joke?

theres like a “this is fine” comment.

Yep, I think the takeaway was tubes up = bad for a lot of people. Listening is so hard...

Yeah, I was wondering that myself

Not acoustic it can affect the pump too though but not as much but can

@@viperlife914 it’s almost like you didn’t watch this video

@@viperlife914 you're replying on every comment like you know it but basing from your responses you still didnt understand.

so true.... i heard nothing and i was trying to turn off my music for some reason (which was his BGM video XD)

:D

Who is this Steve he references from time to time?

@@AmilTheCrow he hosts another UKposts channel called Gamers Nexus. He has long hair, kind of a loud tone of voice.

@@AmilTheCrow Steve Burke, the editor in chief of a channel called Gamers Nexus. He has glorious long 1970's style hair and has a rather arrogant demeanor.

But what if the tubing is above the pump and radiator? 🤔

@@FuckedUpGenius Doesn't matter

Wouldn't it be tl;dw ?

I stuffed up. I had asked Corsair if it can go in front in the front (a 240 in a 750D), and they replied with Bison saying YES!. I didn't think it was right though because the pump was a little above. Fortunately, I didn't use the system that much because of board issues until I replaced it. I hope I haven't damaged it. I put the rad back on the top again where I originally had it.

Half the noobs will be like: Where the frikkin feck is the pump. Can't see it!

Heard it just fine. Turn up your volume, open your ears.

@@Witcher21 woosh

@@BigShawarma woosh

@@ssccoottiinnoo 🗿🤡

@@BigShawarma woosh

Sure, except if you watched both, Jay actually kinda disagrees with Steve and is scolding viewers for accurately interpreting what Steve showed.

@@MVicarious Exactly, Even if Steve is wrong its still a shitty situation for your viewers to go off and bother another youtuber on your behalf, thats how you become hated in a community and invite drama.

Man... That last sentence was cringe.

@@bobos245 ye its suppose to be 😂

Jay spreads misinformation my friend XD not only i this video too

Its too late now. Continue...

Don´t forget the T-Shirt and Hoodie merch. "Righteous Salt" would be fine too.

That’s gen-z for u lmao

That's the sound of this specific pump

You really didnt hear?