The 5 Great Battles of 1632 | Thirty Years War 8

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SandRhoman History

SandRhoman History

8 місяців тому

In 1632 both sides wielded more than 100,000 men and this year alone saw 5 great battles. They were fought at Bamberg, the river Lech, Steinau, Alte Veste and Lützen. In this video we look at the zenith of the Swedish Intervention in the Thirty Years war, the year 1632.
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Guthrie, William, Battles of the Thirty Years War: From White Mountain to Nordlingen, 1618-1635, 2001.
Clifford, J. R., The military revolution debate. Readings on the military transformation of early modern Europe, 1995.
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@SandRhomanHistory
@SandRhomanHistory 8 місяців тому
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@beepboop204
@beepboop204 8 місяців тому
@MasterFatness
@MasterFatness 8 місяців тому
I know you're not likely to get a lot of initial viewers on these videos, perhaps because the topic is considered a niche, but please know that real history lovers are deeply appreciative of the work and effort you put into this. I still recall searching for UKposts content on the Thirty Years War a couple of years ago, and coming up way short. It's an especially underappreciated period in European history, probably also due to the fact that it's one of the least depicted eras in cinema. I suppose most fringe history fans point of interest tend to halt before the beginning of the 17th century, most of the time even earlier still. I should know, I've been there for most of my life. Only in my later years did I begin to appreciate the "pike and shot" era, especially the advent of "modern" fortifications and the major integration of firearms in military engagements. Anyway, what I really mean to say is... even though your videos covering this era may not be among your most popular, the time and thought you put into them is still immensely appreciated, by those of us who do watch them. Thank you!
@michalsalekcz
@michalsalekcz 8 місяців тому
@@MasterFatness I love imagining what he says in real life. And his graphics help this alot. Honestly, if I ever teach history, I project this.
@arielquelme
@arielquelme Місяць тому
Why this series stops?
@marekmielnik9373
@marekmielnik9373 8 місяців тому
Ah yes. The thirty years war... When You were born in Finland so You fight in a Swedish army, under the Scottish commander, against the Austrians, under Spanish commander, somewhere in Bohemia, because some clever guy in Germany decided, that the bread is not the Body of Christ...
@cvc1939
@cvc1939 8 місяців тому
Better reasons to fight than the ones politicians argue nowadays
@harryfallius7470
@harryfallius7470 7 місяців тому
A wonderful description!
@raylast3873
@raylast3873 7 місяців тому
It isn‘t Also the Cath/Prot divide was very much about crucial political issues, like the massive political influence of the Church and it‘s enormous land holdings which allowed the Church hierarchy to extract tremendous wealth from the country. Also, indirectly, the continuation of the Feudal legal system which was a massive toll on the peasantry and the urban classes alike. And the minor matter of the Habsburgs, who essentially dominated German (and European) politics but were not able to unite Germany or go with the times. Ultimately the ideas advanced by the protestants had to win out.
@Daygoth
@Daygoth 6 місяців тому
My life for bread, I would give freely. Its no disaster to lose my head, Just don't give me the heely 😅
@stepanpecka2689
@stepanpecka2689 6 місяців тому
For Bohemian civilian population this was the worst war ever.
@seannaesseannaes
@seannaesseannaes 8 місяців тому
This is no longer a good morning. This, this is a great morning.
@MasonBryant
@MasonBryant 8 місяців тому
And a good afternoon to you too
@SandRhomanHistory
@SandRhomanHistory 8 місяців тому
Hope you enjoyed it!
@theoderic_l
@theoderic_l 6 місяців тому
One might even say a “Staggering" morning
@cupidsfavouritecherub9327
@cupidsfavouritecherub9327 8 місяців тому
Ferdinand II: "..." Wallenstein: "You couldn't live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me."
@MasterFatness
@MasterFatness 8 місяців тому
I know you're not likely to get a lot of initial viewers on these videos, perhaps because the topic is considered a niche, but please know that real history lovers are deeply appreciative of the work and effort you put into this. I still recall searching for UKposts content on the Thirty Years War a couple of years ago, and coming up way short. It's an especially underappreciated period in European history, probably also due to the fact that it's one of the least depicted eras in cinema. I suppose most fringe history fans point of interest tend to halt before the beginning of the 17th century, most of the time even earlier still. I should know, I've been there for most of my life. Only in my later years did I begin to appreciate the "pike and shot" era, especially the advent of "modern" fortifications and the major integration of firearms in military engagements. Anyway, what I really mean to say is... even though your videos covering this era may not be among your most popular, the time and thought you put into them is still immensely appreciated, by those of us who do watch them. Thank you!
@davidwebber814
@davidwebber814 8 місяців тому
This series on the 30 year war was the final push I needed to join on Patreon. Excellent documentary quality that I have no quarms paying for.
@SandRhomanHistory
@SandRhomanHistory 8 місяців тому
Hey, thank you so much! We appreciate it a lot! Thanks for commenting as well.
@Stripedbottom
@Stripedbottom 8 місяців тому
"I was the king of Sweden." Badass to the end. Knows he's a goner, but also knows his worth and is never going to grovel. This is the kind of real-life stuff that novelists and script writers use to create epic moments.
@fulminatus6241
@fulminatus6241 8 місяців тому
I love the fact you guys cover this time period of European history. I don't feel like history before the Napoleonic wars is cover well enough.
@bludfyre
@bludfyre 8 місяців тому
It really seems like history UKposts (and school textbooks) ignores a large portion of European history (and a very large portion of non-European history.) You have some Bronze Age, some Mesopotamian/ancient Egypt, the highlights of Greece (war with Persia, Peloponnesian War,) a LOT of Rome, a sprinkling of Charlemagne, skip to Viking Period, Battle of Hastings, jump to American Revolution, French Revolution/Napoleon, a bunch of the first 3 years of the American Civil War (stopping, interestingly enough, with Gettysburg, Vicksburg, and Chickamauga,) a bunch on WWI, a massive amount of WWII. It's frustrating, because there are a lot of things (like the 30 Years' War) that caused massive changes to Europe and the world, that aren't covered. Those time periods are important too, don't get me wrong, but it is nice to not be stuck in the same time periods rehashing the same events over and over.
@samwill7259
@samwill7259 8 місяців тому
German Mercenaries at this point in the war: I can just leave, holy shit did you know we can just leave?
@WalterWhiteFootballSharing
@WalterWhiteFootballSharing 8 місяців тому
It was a way better idea to stick with the colors. The pay was nonexistent at times which is why robbing and looting was so rampant. I read way back that life expectancy was wayyy shorter as a German civilian in this war then in the armies. Foraging parties are getting peasant food at sword point, not much food left for cities...who are being sacked and wiped out regularly. SO where deserter gonna go...home to become a victim of maybe the army he left? Watch your women get raped, if they even left u alive to watch or .... be on the other side of that transaction.
@HS-su3cf
@HS-su3cf 8 місяців тому
@@WalterWhiteFootballSharing Read a letter written by an officer during the 30-years war. He tells of how some soldiers in his unit had been murdered by some cruel peasants, while out foraging.
@dimitrisbalodimas9844
@dimitrisbalodimas9844 8 місяців тому
Love from Greece 🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷Congratulations and support. Due to endless Greek history we have never been taught about that period of European history in school. Thus your efforts are very educating for me. Thank you 🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷
@alezel25
@alezel25 8 місяців тому
Fun fact: there is an expression used in belgium and germany, (i am not sure about other countries), called "knowing your pappenheimers", which roughly means knowing who you are dealing with/knowing what you can do with them. This reffering to the trustworthyness of Pappenheim and his soldiers.
@manfredgrieshaber8693
@manfredgrieshaber8693 8 місяців тому
The fighting at that time was cruel, brutal and often mind-blowing. Grimmelshausen described such a fighting (battle of Wittstock in 1636). In 2007 a mass grave was found at this battleground containing the remains of 125 soldiers. Most of them had suffered several mortal wounds at the same time. This showed Grimmelshausen was right when he described soldiers in a frenzy mode performing a kind of overkill. They shot with their pistols, punched with their muskets, stabbed with their knifes and hacked with their sabers nearly simultaneously. It must have been a horrifying carnage. If you want to get a feeling about that kind of figthing then watch the spanish film "A la Triste". Their the fighting at the battle of Rocroi in 1643 in shown in a nearly realistic way.
@WissHH-
@WissHH- 8 місяців тому
*Alatriste
@Osvath97
@Osvath97 8 місяців тому
Mustn't write "first", must resist the temptation. This is no longer 2010, yet what once was ingrained is hard to remove...
@The_dude_channel
@The_dude_channel 8 місяців тому
Mustn’t write “musn’t” because that isn’t a word
@slippysnek9507
@slippysnek9507 8 місяців тому
why are you like this
@Osvath97
@Osvath97 8 місяців тому
@@slippysnek9507 Because I never did it when it was popular, I despised it as spam. But now when it is gone, I consider it a cultural artefact of Internet history that I must preserve, like an experimental archaeologist.
@grandimehu
@grandimehu 8 місяців тому
The Battle of Lützen after the death of Gustavus is a good analogy for the state of the entire kingdom after his rule. The King was dead and there was ton of uncertainty and confusion but ultimately the reforms he had done to the military and the administration of the country outlasted him and there were people who could take over the fight.
@somehowstillhere8766
@somehowstillhere8766 8 місяців тому
Sweden's empire seems so short lived, but had a big impact on Europe.
@clintmoor422
@clintmoor422 8 місяців тому
it was not short. until 1720s.
@TheSrSunday
@TheSrSunday 8 місяців тому
@@clintmoor422 Less than 100 years is short-lived, for an empire.
@somehowstillhere8766
@somehowstillhere8766 8 місяців тому
​@@clintmoor422in the grand scheme of things, it's a short timeline. About 1 to 2 hundred years isn't as long compared to multiple centuries long regimes like France, Britain, Russia, the Ottomans, and Spain. Sweden had a big impact nonetheless.
@ericv.1420
@ericv.1420 5 місяців тому
I wouldn't call such smallish population an Empire. Swedish Kingdom had roughly 1,5 million people in the year 1700. It was large, but sparsely populated. Or do you think that Sweden had those days lot of influence in the world? But it definitely was a regional power.
@going1917
@going1917 Місяць тому
How would a nation with a nere 1.5m survive a single battle then? Considering how the regular casualties count were 5000 and above​ @ericv.1420
@andreweden9405
@andreweden9405 8 місяців тому
One of my college German teachers was from the small town of Villingen. I guess one of its claims to fame was the fact that it was flooded by the Swedish during the Thirty Years War when they blew up a dam there. By the way, there is a form of rapier (a type of sword) called the Pappenheimer that's named after the Catholic general in this very battle! I actually like them, and I think they're one of the best looking rapier types!😁
@antonludwigaugustvonmacken8680
@antonludwigaugustvonmacken8680 Місяць тому
Please continue this series
@Thraim.
@Thraim. 8 місяців тому
Foreigners having a skewed perception of our wealth is a time-honored tradition of Germany.
@IsaacRaiCastillo
@IsaacRaiCastillo 8 місяців тому
Amazing video, together with the one you did before about the sieges, in this one you also manage to give a sensation of total war, something that helps to understand how complicated and expensive this conflict was in just one year. What I liked was being able to observe several battles (being most of the ones you mention little known), which explain how disputed everything was in 1632, with victories and defeats equally on both sides, which ended up doing that the conflict would end up dragging on for many more years (something that after Breitenfeld seemed unlikely). The only thing similar to the year 1632 in the 30 Years War would be the Crisis of the year 1640, which was also a total madness full of uprisings and battles everywhere, which almost destroyed the Hispanic Monarchy. I want to correct you something, I don't know how outdated the Tercios system used by the Holy Roman Empire in Breitenfeld was so that the mutation to the Swedish system was so different (20:42), because in the Spanish case around the 1600s, later to adapt to Dutch tactics, the number of firearms increased considerably, being for the year 1632 a 60% of the 1000 men that a Tercio had for that time of the 30 Years War (All these data given by the historian Eduardo de Mesa Gallego according to the historical archives); If in such a case the Germans followed the updates of the Spanish, it should not have been very difficult to copy the Swedes, since they were almost equal in troop components, only differing in the way of fighting. This means that while a Swedish Brigade had approximately 864 pikemen and 636 or 654 musketeers (all divided in 3 or 4 batallions of 408 men, composed by 192 musketeers and 216 pikemen), a "Tercio" of these years had to have 350 pikemen, 450 arquebusiers and 200 musketeers (all divided in 5 companies of 200 men, composed by 70 pikemen, 90 arquebusiers and 40 musketeers). In any case, as proof of what I am saying, one only has to see how well the Spanish faced the Swedes in Nördlingen (1634), something only made possible by having a similar amount of firepower, only differentiated by the regimental guns that the Swedes still had the upper hand. Taking that into account, it seems to me that the reality of the formation of the 17th century Tercios, is very different from the squad that you show in the video (20:45), since it should have larger musketeer sleeves, unless the German imperialists used a composition of troops corresponding to military Ordinances of Tercios prior to those adopted in 1600. So, as I mentioned above according to the Spanish historians who have reviewed the sources of the historical archives, the formation in those times used by Spain had changed to something similar to what I put below (a) and that I seem to remember that they called "front of a thousand men", with 3 corps of arquebusiers divided into 200 behind (A²) and 75 on each side (A¹), while in the middle there were 350 pikemen forming a square (P) and 200 musketeers in front of the vanguard of pikemen (M); On the other hand, when wanting to shoot, the sleeves of the arquebusiers were advanced, forming two horns, since having a shorter distance than the muskets, they had to be advanced, leaving what is shown in (b): (a) A²A²A²A² A¹ P P P P P A¹ A¹ P P P P P A¹ A¹ P P P P P A¹ MMMMM (b) A²A²A²A² P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P A¹ MMMMM A¹ A¹ A¹ A¹ A¹
@nattygsbord
@nattygsbord 8 місяців тому
I think the thirty years war never was a total war. Even Sweden with the most modern state apparatus in Europe was far from unleashing all its societal potential in this war. Instead did peasants protest against higher taxes to pay for the war. And their anti-war feelings got support from the clergy. So the government had to resort to selling off state land and state property to get cash instead. The tragedy of this war was rather that armies wandered around in circles and devestated the same lands over and over and over again throughout 30 years. And that is what made devestation so totally enormous in some places in Germany. Also in Spain was it difficult to get taxes to pay for the wars. Tax increases just created blowback in Italy, and Portugal did declare independence. And the Monarchy was nearly ripped apart as you say.
@kalixkatt
@kalixkatt 2 місяці тому
This series about the thirty year war is the best i've seen on youtube, they deserve more views than they are getting.
@andrevaldresmaltarocha5822
@andrevaldresmaltarocha5822 8 місяців тому
Hello, I wanted to thank you for the push you have on the channel, having a spectacular historical precision and, combined with the historical content, your animations are a real icing on the cake. I wanted to suggest that the battle of Aljubarrota was brought to the channel, when approximately 7500 Portuguese defeated 30,000 Spanish; could also bring up the battle of diu, where 16 portuguese ships defeated 217 muslim war galleys. Big hug from Portugal 🇵🇹
@clintmoor422
@clintmoor422 8 місяців тому
Damn. Pumping out great video recently. i just watched "7 great sieges", now I can continue with this one! Perfect thanks!
@roballister5269
@roballister5269 7 місяців тому
dam bro I got goosebumps by hearing that last quote from King Gustavus Adolphus, shit that hit hard lol
@arturobermudez6277
@arturobermudez6277 8 місяців тому
Please a video of the siege of castelnouvo and the janisaries.
@sagagis
@sagagis 8 місяців тому
Kings and Generals I have done it in the past, if I remember correctly
@basfinnis
@basfinnis 8 місяців тому
Amazing information. Great video showing the back and fro of territory and houses.
@SandRhomanHistory
@SandRhomanHistory 8 місяців тому
Hey, thanks! And thanks for commenting!
@haynesdevon0
@haynesdevon0 8 місяців тому
Lutzen is almost poetic. Even after theyre kings death the army would use eveything he taught to achieve victory.
@sarahsidney1988
@sarahsidney1988 8 місяців тому
Great video as always
@SandRhomanHistory
@SandRhomanHistory 8 місяців тому
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the comment!
@thrawnbayern5249
@thrawnbayern5249 8 місяців тому
lol, i could locate (more or less) my house in bamberg, bc its on one of the major roads
@NineInchNarwhales
@NineInchNarwhales 5 місяців тому
Is there a continuation to this series? I cannot find the next parts
@jackstreet6979
@jackstreet6979 8 місяців тому
The king's warhorse Streiff can be seen at a museum in Stockholm's royal palace.
@maxvanhuffelen5230
@maxvanhuffelen5230 7 місяців тому
Another fantastic video!
@aidin3476
@aidin3476 8 місяців тому
Amazing work as always, I've been looking forward for this timeline of the 30 years war!
@Ciech_mate
@Ciech_mate 8 місяців тому
Thank you for this video and all of your other videos!
@MaHuD_
@MaHuD_ 8 місяців тому
Thank you both for the new video!
@SandRhomanHistory
@SandRhomanHistory 8 місяців тому
Our pleasure!
@manwesulimo7476
@manwesulimo7476 8 місяців тому
I love Your channel. I'm really glad someone covers my favorite war with such quality.
@aaronbecker5617
@aaronbecker5617 8 місяців тому
Awesome channel, thanks for great videos
@SandRhomanHistory
@SandRhomanHistory 8 місяців тому
Thanks for watching!
@thcdreams654
@thcdreams654 8 місяців тому
Incredible quality as usual. Thank you. This channel never disappoints. Much appreciated.
@wiktorberski9272
@wiktorberski9272 8 місяців тому
It is really interesting to watch. Many things became clear due to your visual presentation
@kicklock1012
@kicklock1012 8 місяців тому
Watching this at like 540 am before work thank ya'll for these fantastic and interesting videos
@paronzoda
@paronzoda 8 місяців тому
Another great video!
@michael_epp
@michael_epp 8 місяців тому
thank you for giving me a plethora of videos to binge watch at work
@ygdmdx
@ygdmdx 8 місяців тому
Will the next episode be about the death of Wallenstein and the Battle of Nordlingen, and then the remaining episodes will be the French phase?
@SandRhomanHistory
@SandRhomanHistory 8 місяців тому
maybe nördlingen + beginning of the french phase. not sure yet!
@Grasslander
@Grasslander 8 місяців тому
Dude, no spoilers!
@Jesse_Dawg
@Jesse_Dawg 8 місяців тому
Great video! Please more
@SiegfriedII
@SiegfriedII 2 місяці тому
I’m a massive fan of German history, and loving the series so far, and I’m left wondering whether there will be more episodes in the future. Are there new episodes in the works or has the project been abandoned?
@BlimberryBoi
@BlimberryBoi 8 місяців тому
this was great i love history stuff like this to listen to in the backround.
@therustler30
@therustler30 8 місяців тому
The sweets 😭 the sweet retreated 😭, the sweets attacked😭
@Rusty_Justice
@Rusty_Justice 8 місяців тому
Another banger video. RIP to the lion in the north
@jorgegalindo658
@jorgegalindo658 8 місяців тому
good video man
@SandRhomanHistory
@SandRhomanHistory 8 місяців тому
Appreciate it!
@HISTORIA_MUNDI
@HISTORIA_MUNDI Місяць тому
The best video, because here is mainly a video animated map, not pictures and excerpts with animated pictures.
@Leaffordes
@Leaffordes 8 місяців тому
Great f-king work, man!
@hugod2000
@hugod2000 4 дні тому
This is a really greatb channel
@lucasbartolinivela7475
@lucasbartolinivela7475 8 місяців тому
I really love your videos
@unkownhistory7660
@unkownhistory7660 8 місяців тому
love this video
@SandRhomanHistory
@SandRhomanHistory 8 місяців тому
We're happy you like it. Cheers!
@DylanMixable
@DylanMixable 7 місяців тому
@SandRhomanHistory Is there an official name for those blocks that mappers use to represent units? I'd love to research them more and see the various systems for denoting information from them.
@derentius
@derentius 6 місяців тому
Our modern symbols include all sorts now, but the basics are all there and the nomenclature is still present in APP-6A. (Allied Procedural Publication 6), NATO Military Symbols for Land Based Systems. The saltire in rectangle for infantry is probably the most common.
@michalsalekcz
@michalsalekcz 8 місяців тому
Thanks for including Kladsko (Glatz) in the Kingdom of Bohemia on the map.
@Geep615
@Geep615 8 місяців тому
Subscribed immediately
@bigsarge2085
@bigsarge2085 8 місяців тому
Incredible.
@lerneanlion
@lerneanlion 8 місяців тому
I recently watched two videos about what will happened if one side won the Thirty Years' War decisively. And I dared to say that it is for the best that neither side won in the original timeline and the war ended with the Peace of Westphalia seemed to be the best option.
@SK-lt1so
@SK-lt1so 8 місяців тому
Where do you get those hats?
@prokopiusvonvogelberg1396
@prokopiusvonvogelberg1396 8 місяців тому
Never enough of this stuff I have. For quality of bread is important for body and mind alike.
@zekkez8057
@zekkez8057 3 місяці тому
will you post the other parts ?
@ohnoohhnooo6922
@ohnoohhnooo6922 8 місяців тому
What do you use to make the top down Siege map
@54032Zepol
@54032Zepol 8 місяців тому
Very cool 😎
@FMJIRISH
@FMJIRISH 8 місяців тому
I thought this was a video about the book series for a moment
@dominicguye8058
@dominicguye8058 2 місяці тому
Well? Aren't you going to continue this series?
@Jarod-vg9wq
@Jarod-vg9wq 5 місяців тому
32:42 can’t imagine the pain guilt and disbelief all the men felt.
@brokenbridge6316
@brokenbridge6316 8 місяців тому
Shame about Gustavus Adolphus. Things would've been so much different had he not been killed in that last battle.
@gabri3lzzz
@gabri3lzzz 5 місяців тому
Pappenheim goes hard af fr fr
@hakanliljeberg790
@hakanliljeberg790 6 місяців тому
Many swedes were peasants from richly forested places, often retaining myths with roots in the distant pagan passed. In some places north like Dalarna and Hälsingland, people still used runes for short messages, or to put their owner mark on houses or objects. The children could hear the adults talk about Thor, who´s hammer could be heard in the storm´s thunder, or in skies of windy rainclouds you sometimes could see Odin and hi´s army of dead warriors galloping in the air.. So ackording a source, the Smålandic soldiers saw somebody that was probably a scout from the imperial side at Lutzen with a patch over one eye and a wide hat. The exited soldier who was convinced that Odin or Wotan had followed them from hi´s homecounty, and immediately spread the good news that they couldn´t loose, not only God, but also Odin was on their side..! Many were flogged for telling ungodly stories, but the news were hard to stop....
@lynxon9939
@lynxon9939 3 місяці тому
This is simply not true. Sweden specifically Småland was very Christian at this point in time. Sweden had been Christian for over 600 years at this point. You are just making shit up because "vikings cool". We are today probably more believing in Odin today than they were in the 1600s. Mainly through popular media. Just cut the shit
@ewok40k
@ewok40k 8 місяців тому
The war is so devastating, yet it even didnt reach half-time yet! Lutzen was definitely a terrible, but unconcluysive battle, but it could have swung decisive win for either side If Pappenheim didnt receive the orders to ride with utmost haste to help Imperials, Gustavus would probably rolled over the flank and won decisive victory. All it would take would be one lost horseshoe, horse and messenger. Had the Imperials manage to break Swedish flank with Pappenheims fresh troops, it would be end of Swedish army. In the end, one thing that showed was Imperials were learning from Swedes and were no longer easily outmatched tactically with unvieldy lumbering tercios.
@IsaacRaiCastillo
@IsaacRaiCastillo 8 місяців тому
You don't know anything about the Tercios if you think they were unvieldy lumbering, because you describe them as if they had remained unchanged since 1536 (year of the first ordinance that changed the Coronelias for the Tercios). The Tercios were first an organizational entity, since each company was autonomous and was the true combat unit, the second point is that they were never an immobile formation of pikes, because the companies had different combat configurations that adapted to the situation of the moment. Proof of how flexible the companies of the Tercios were can be seen in battles such as Jemmingen in 1568, the amphibious operations carried out in Zeeland to take Zierikzee between 1575 and 1576, as well as battles such as Nördlingen in 1634, Honnecourt in 1642 and Valenciennes in 1656, to give some examples. The Tercios evolved throughout the 16th and 17th centuries, for example: the Ordinance of 1536 said that each Tercio was made up of several companies of 300 men, of which there were several pikemen and some arquebusiers or shotgunners ( that is, more than half of the 300 were pikemen and only a few arquebusiers); In 1560 the tercio was reduced to 3,000 men, divided by 10 companies of 300 men, of these 2 companies were exclusively arquebusiers (that is, 300 arquebusiers in each of the 2 companies), while the rest mixed pikemen in a greater proportion with groups of arquebusiers (that is, for each of Those 8 companies there were 150 corselettes, 50 arquebusiers and 100 light pikes), giving a total result of 1200 corset pikemen, 1000 arquebusiers and 800 light pikemen. With the Duke of Alba, the tercios that left to fight in 1567 in the Netherlands were reorganized, adding the musketeers to the equation, which ended with 15 musketeers for each of the 10 companies, giving a total of 150 musketeers in each Tercio, with 850 arquebusiers and 2000 pikemen; while in the Ordinances of 1598 the companies were reduced to 250 men, increasing from 10 to 12 companies, each with 130 corselets, 100 arquebusiers and 20 musketeers, being adopted in 1598 a ratio of pikes and firearms similar to what the English saw as acceptable in the middle of the Civil War a century later, that is, 1 and 1.2 between pikes and firearms (Spain was ahead in military organization). By the beginning of the 17th century, the tercios were reduced to 1,500 men with 15 companies made up of 100 soldiers, of which only 40% were pikemen, a proportion almost similar to that of the other armies of the time.
@abdelmalekmetidji
@abdelmalekmetidji 8 місяців тому
Whene kings were kings 🦁🇸🇪
@lynxon9939
@lynxon9939 3 місяці тому
The Battle of Lützen is infamous in Sweden. Which is ironic since our goverment actually is considerably shit at teaching history. Most don't even know about the 30 years war and what impact it had on Europe Let alone, what wars were fought or why they were fought. Never the less, the Battle of Lützen is still one of the few battles that are mentioned in history classes for it's heroics. Yet no one knows why the King was in Germany to begin with lmao.
@arielquelme
@arielquelme Місяць тому
IMO the battle of Lutzen is waste of skins for Both Sides Whats the point is wintering massive 250,000 expensive soldiers... Then Al most half of them deserted even before the battle started
@RamonesFan201
@RamonesFan201 14 днів тому
@@arielquelme You had to have been there to understand the desperation the soldiers had to have been going through.
@bitou592
@bitou592 8 місяців тому
didnt the old blue brigade also suffered a lot from the imperial cavalry fire ?
@ericscottstevens
@ericscottstevens 3 місяці тому
3:29 Even into the mid 20th century my mothers village in the Steigerwald in Franconia hated the Swedes for what they did long ago in 1631. It had been passed on along the generations to the descendants. Possibly taught in the local schools in the Steigerwald for centuries. This area historically fas been a Catholic enclave for centuries. Over 300+ years of disdain the regional motto was: Swedes were bad. Just a local tale of the small skirmishes that probably occurred many times. The Steigerwald had a scar, from a fleeting memory of what Lennart Torstensson, Count of Ortala, Baron of Virestad did by destroying the main castle complex and neighboring towns near Zettmannsdorf. Actually fog obscured the larger village Zettmannsdorf (then known as Scitemulesdorf) and the Swedish army marched to the next two smaller towns i the valley at Luibrichsdorf and Lindach, destroying them so bad that the fields in the area were known as a desert. Possibly the fields were salted or ruined by some form of sabotage.
@alfrancisbuada2591
@alfrancisbuada2591 8 місяців тому
And war would continue over and over again
@clintmoor422
@clintmoor422 8 місяців тому
well it's 30 years right?
@alfrancisbuada2591
@alfrancisbuada2591 8 місяців тому
@@clintmoor422 yup
@Russo-Delenda-Est
@Russo-Delenda-Est 8 місяців тому
The more history I learn the more I'm convinced that there is only one war. The combatants drift in and out, territory changes hands, nations rise and fall, but the war is forever. The best we get are temporary respites. I bet I could trace a (meandering) line between the conflicts of the modern day and this one, and back and back all the way to Alexander and before. It's like they say, "war never changes".
@clintmoor422
@clintmoor422 8 місяців тому
@@Russo-Delenda-Est not sure if that is an accurate statement. seems weird to draw parallels to today from over 400 years ago.
@Gigagato_
@Gigagato_ 8 місяців тому
I believe Wallenstein would have probably won if he hadn't been erroneouly told more Protestant infantry was on it's way, and instead of leaving for Leipzig launched a counterattack against the exhausted Swedish lines with the fresh Pappenheim infantry reinforcements that had just begun to arrive.
@Stripedbottom
@Stripedbottom 8 місяців тому
Doubtful at best. Night engagements were not favoured at the time, for many good reasons, unless they could be fought absolutely set-piece and at an advantage, which at the tail end of Lützen battle - with probably nobody on the field having a clear idea of who was where and at what strength - would not have been the case at all; the one trump card of the reinforcements - their freshness - would have been kinda wasted in such an attempt, which could have gone either way.
@fridriechrussofobber3500
@fridriechrussofobber3500 8 місяців тому
​@@Stripedbottom Besides, it would be an unnecessary risk. Wallesntein already managed to engage the Swedish in, for them, an unfavourable battle, causing serious casualties and killing their king (which he probably didn´t know). Under such conditions, he won in a way.
@ajgibson1307
@ajgibson1307 6 місяців тому
God bless
@napoleonibonaparte7198
@napoleonibonaparte7198 8 місяців тому
A Pyrrhic Swedish victory.
@bitou592
@bitou592 8 місяців тому
you spoiled
@nattygsbord
@nattygsbord 8 місяців тому
It was a victory over a superior foe, and Sweden achieved all its geopolitical goals. An unified Germany was avoided, a Habsburg/Polish invasion of Sweden was avoided, and the survival of the protestantic faith was secured. And as a bonus did Sweden get a strategically important bridgehead in northern Germany for future military operations against Germany, Denmark or Poland. It also forced the Austrian emperor to agree to giving all German states religious freedom and not interfere inside how other states were runned internally. And Sweden also gained a huge sum of money for war reparations it could use for paying of its war debts. In the end was it Germany who paid for this war. Sadly I might add, the Austrians should just have thrown in the towel 10 years earlier and much death and devestation could have been avoided. The Habsburgs overall have had a negative impact on European history.
@beepboop204
@beepboop204 8 місяців тому
@Jacbtheguy547
@Jacbtheguy547 8 місяців тому
😊
@konstantinriumin2657
@konstantinriumin2657 8 місяців тому
Gustavus Amogus! Libera im postera!
@mullenio4200
@mullenio4200 8 місяців тому
Imagine if any of these armies figured out sanitation and logistics. The would have helped. 😐 Crazy to think the Romans were ahead of them over 1500 years earlier.
@gasperpoklukar8372
@gasperpoklukar8372 8 місяців тому
Well, they didn't have to haul artillery, powder and shot.
@ctgx7735
@ctgx7735 7 місяців тому
​@@gasperpoklukar8372Gunpowder does not cause diseases 😂
@gasperpoklukar8372
@gasperpoklukar8372 7 місяців тому
@@ctgx7735 I was talking about logistics.
@ctgx7735
@ctgx7735 7 місяців тому
@@gasperpoklukar8372 The Roman army also had artillery; catapults, onagres, ballistas, scorpions, etc.
@gasperpoklukar8372
@gasperpoklukar8372 7 місяців тому
@@ctgx7735 Ah crap, I totally forgot about those, you are correct. But did they haul that with them or did they build them on site?
@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714
@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 8 місяців тому
Prity sure its Bernhard not Bernard.
@SandRhomanHistory
@SandRhomanHistory 8 місяців тому
In English his name is coventionally spelled as "Bernard", in German it would be "Bernhard". We always use the English way of spelling names if it exists. This is the usual way of handling names in an international context.
@nvelsen1975
@nvelsen1975 8 місяців тому
It's the English and Dutch spelling vs the German spelling. Video is in English, so....
@aprioriaposteriori3676
@aprioriaposteriori3676 8 місяців тому
We don't here say "Gustav II Adolf" either which is the real name of the Swedish king..
@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714
@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 8 місяців тому
@@SandRhomanHistory You are free to do as you wish, it is your video, but do not claim to adhere to a standard where none exists. Also Bernhard and Bernard are 2 different names.
@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714
@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 8 місяців тому
@@nvelsen1975 "It's the English and Dutch spelling vs the German spelling." I reject the very idea of spelling. Phonographies are superior to logographies. "Video is in English, so" you cant do whatever you want as long as you are understood. English is a creole after all.
@wiwysova
@wiwysova Місяць тому
How much did Peter Wilson pay you?
@jonym.310
@jonym.310 8 місяців тому
I am no expert, but i think the guy in the thumbnail uses the gun wrong
@currentofthesnake8486
@currentofthesnake8486 8 місяців тому
I have my doubts about the title picture with the Swede using his heavy musket as a club at Lützen. That should have happened at the end of the day. What soldier would do that? Anyway, they mobilized the very last forces for the last attack. I mean even a World War I rifle was impractical as a slashing weapon for close quarters combat as it would tire you out quicker. Then what about an even heavier musket. Soldiers think practically, so it must have been pure combat with pikes and edged weapons.
@HS-su3cf
@HS-su3cf 8 місяців тому
Clubbing your musket was considered the last resort of the musketeer. Remember many musketeers lacked both decent edged weapons and training to use such weapons, Alexandre Dumas not withstanding.
@currentofthesnake8486
@currentofthesnake8486 8 місяців тому
@@HS-su3cf Maybe Clubbing for one hit, and than stabbing. Stabbing does not require great fencing skills.
@SandRhomanHistory
@SandRhomanHistory 8 місяців тому
Using the musket as a club happened in many battles. It's well attested in the primary sources.
@currentofthesnake8486
@currentofthesnake8486 8 місяців тому
@@SandRhomanHistory Interesting. I only know two. Lützen and in the Battle of Großjägersdorf. But it can also be propaganda to show how tough and strong your own soldiers are. I mean, especially with Lützen, I think I see a narrative. Bernhard von Weimar cheers on the soldiers again and they throw them back into battle, even fighting without ammunition. Something may have been exaggerated there.
@raylast3873
@raylast3873 7 місяців тому
@@currentofthesnake8486“I may have no evidence, but I still think the historians are wrong about this because I happen to think clubbing someone with the butt of a firearm is really lame“.
@WOTHAN66666
@WOTHAN66666 8 місяців тому
AND the Sweds was there to fight for The right to religious FREEDOM.
@Divano-qw2sb
@Divano-qw2sb 8 місяців тому
AND the swedes were there to gain more INFLUENCE and POWER in Germany with the exuse of a religious conflict.
@ikerierk
@ikerierk 8 місяців тому
@@Divano-qw2sb This hehe. Even France paying Sweden to fund it's armies to weaken the catholic side while them themselves being catholic xD
@ibonarzua2811
@ibonarzua2811 8 місяців тому
By the virgin mary! Tercios are not battle formations and were certainly not used by germans. They were organized in regiments. Only the Spanish, the Lombards and the Neapolitans had the honour to be organized in tercios. Which were administrative units. The combat unit was the company and if neccessary joining several to form an ad hoc unit. And they did not fight in great pike blocks. Spanish in particular were famous to include more firearms per pike than any others. So much so that it threatened their hability to counter cav. Read: Black, J. (2011) Beyond Military Revolution. War in the seventeenth century world. Maffi, D (2006): 'Il potere delle armi. La monarchia spagnola e i suoi eserciti (1635-1700): una rivisitazione della decadenza'. Revista Storica Italiana You perpetuate protestant propaganda that makes no sense
@afalk1024
@afalk1024 8 місяців тому
“Protestant Propaganda” chill my guy 😂 it’s not that serious.
@ibonarzua2811
@ibonarzua2811 8 місяців тому
@@afalk1024 for sure. That's why I was claimed to the virgin mary even though I am not religious. But my point stands. I would like for an army that ruled the battlefieds of the world for 200 years to be showcased as it deserves. It would be more faithfull to history
@cseijifja
@cseijifja 8 місяців тому
@@afalk1024 it's part of the joke mate.
@ChevyChase301
@ChevyChase301 8 місяців тому
You are WRONG. Tilly was a Flemish commander who at age 16 joined the Spanish Army of Alexander Farnese. When he became commander of the catholic league he brought tercio tactics which were used by Spanish, Walloon, German (Cologne, Bavarian mostly) and Italian men who fought as thirds in the early war. Later on the armies became more cavalry heavy but this applied to the army of Flanders as much as the catholic army.
@ibonarzua2811
@ibonarzua2811 8 місяців тому
@@cseijifja I added bibliography, you did not. I do not see any reason why you could claim to be right. And do not see how my point is mutrd by yours. I claim tercios to be administrative units more than combat units. Regardin nationalities that fought in tercios they were chronologicaly and in level of trust put traditionaly by the crown: spanish, napolitans and lombards, and valones. Lower germans, swiss or serbians fought in regiments. And finally, and most importatly, I claim that the Spaniards were some of the first, if not the first, to lean heaviely on gun fire power
@WOTHAN66666
@WOTHAN66666 8 місяців тому
Iam a Swedish historian, and his comment that we had mostly german mercs IS WRONG. Our land was near empty of men cos of the 30 year war. (Yes we did have german soldiers, but we controlled german lands, and some parts STILL celebrate our 200 year of control=)....
@nattygsbord
@nattygsbord 8 місяців тому
The losses were heavy in all military units back in the 1600s. One might think that sitting and guarding a fortress in the Baltics with russia would be a peaceful, boring and undangerous job in a time when a bloody war was going on in Germany. But fact is that the biggest killer of soldiers during the 1600s so even losses among healthy Swedish troops in garrisons was often 20-30%. So of course did this war take its toll. But on the other hand was not everyone sent to Germany to fight either. It was usually unemployed, social misfits, and the youngest son who did not inherit any land that was forced to go and fight these wars. Tragic for him. But for everyone else did life go on. So I think people often overstate how devestating the war was to Sweden, because not everyone went out and fight. Total war was not yet invented, and nor the state apparatus needed for it. And during the 30 years war did Sweden mostly rely on mercenary troops. We did not much use them in the Great Northern War later on. But in the thirty years war they were used big time. We forced a German state to raise some troops for us. They would pay for the upkeep and those mercenaries they had recruited would follow Swedish orders and leadership. So Sweden played a leading role in this war by acumulating the resources of Germanys hundreds of tiny states for its war effort. Two-thirds of all troops and two-thirds of all the money Sweden spent on this war was actually money and meat provided by our German allies. While a third of our army was Swedish troops and a third of all money came from Sweden. However the leadership of this army came from Sweden. Swedens tax base made up the secure core, while the rest of the money was just an unreliable bonus income source for our war economy. And the quality of the Swedish troops was better and they were more loyal and would not just flip and switch side and join what ever side in the war that offered the highest wages or seemed likely to win the war (and thus seemed able to pay for the costs of the war).
@rohitrai6187
@rohitrai6187 7 місяців тому
Better to conquer denmark than to go meddling in Germany
@jothegreek
@jothegreek 8 місяців тому
Rip Tilly
@phillip_iv_planetking6354
@phillip_iv_planetking6354 8 місяців тому
The Swedes came won a few battles and then were wiped out at Nordlingen LOL.
@antiantifa886
@antiantifa886 8 місяців тому
When Swedish were men and Swedish!
@greghall4836
@greghall4836 8 місяців тому
When Swedish men were mostly German and the king with the Latin name got himself killed and passed on the crown to a six year old girl.
@antiantifa886
@antiantifa886 8 місяців тому
@@greghall4836 well Germans actually come from Scandinavia originally.
@greghall4836
@greghall4836 8 місяців тому
@@antiantifa886 Ah! So the 30 Year's War was a Swedish civil war. I see.
@antiantifa886
@antiantifa886 8 місяців тому
@@greghall4836 cmon man southern Germany was Celtic and northern Germany was German. Germans and Romans met swallowing the celts.
@aprioriaposteriori3676
@aprioriaposteriori3676 8 місяців тому
@@greghall4836 His real name was "Gustav II Adolf", this latin name is for the international audience only.
@CelxD
@CelxD 8 місяців тому
Amazing video as always!
@SandRhomanHistory
@SandRhomanHistory 8 місяців тому
Glad you enjoyed it!
@WissHH-
@WissHH- 8 місяців тому
Another great video!
@DD-yv1ym
@DD-yv1ym 8 місяців тому
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