I say this every time this subject comes up: I’ll believe it when I see it. We’ve been here so many times with VW. I hope it’s true that they are more serious this time

F1 shouldn’t strive to be road relevant, it should aim to be the pinnacle of car engineering.

"It needs to be relevant to what happens on the road." I watch F1 to see the best drivers in the world compete in machines no regular person CAN drive.

First, I believe it when I see it. They have a history of "being interested" but no follow through. Second, It doesn't mean much if they just provide PU's to existing teams. It would be really interesting with team 11 and 12, not just re-badging the Red Bull powertrain PU.

I like the approach Honda used to have towards motorsports participation. They didn’t care about real world applications. They saw it as a training ground for their engineers. Working on deadlines, working in teams, being creative, etc. If they could learn this in F1and INDYCAR, those skills could be used in the development of their road cars.

Historically whenever Porsche supplied an engine to an F1 team, they were immediately competitive. Only happened twice to my knowledge. Most notably with the Tag Heuer-branded one in the McLaren.

When the current hybrid units were introduced to F1 I'm sure we were told that they wanted them to encourage manufacturers into the sport by making the power units relevant to road cars because everyone was developing hybrids. Now apparently, the major component of these things, the MGUH or whatever it's called is apparently totally irrelevant to road cars. I can't wait for the next generation.

Honestly, I’d love to see Porsche join F1. They’ve got loads of experience with these sorts of engine systems and just racing in general. They could definitely get themselves into a competitive space within just a couple years.

Translated- We invested a lot in our Formula E program, so you better give us an advantage by increasing use of electric power if you want us in the sport. ( Mercedes also invested in Formula E, so expect them to side with Porsche here on increasing electric, but be against Red Bull partnering with VW, they dont want Red Bull getting the developments for free).

I see them as a PU Provider. The VW group hasn’t convinced me yet . Until they sign on the dotted line - I’ll believe.

I wished that they retain the mguh. It’s such a shame to lose a great piece of engineering

Can any of the geniuses that keep demanding F1 be "road relevant" explain to me the road relevancy of a Formula 1 front wing?

I would love two more teams on the grid, I just hope Porsche when they come in don't just buy out existing ones..

So, their conditions into joining F1 are basically the same as the reasons that led them into leaving the WEC and retiring the LMP1 Hybrid category... minus the engine technology part where the R&D on the power unit could actually be used in mass production vehicles which doesn't happen with F1 engines. Sure, they were spending as much on R&D to the 911 EVO as some of the top teams in F1, but they still left, even when the tech they got out from it was actually relevant to road cars. Also, let's not forget the fact that both Porsche and Audi want to wait until 2026 before they join because of the $200M clause the FIA and all 10 teams put in place by the 8th Concorde Agreement signed in the beginning of 2021. Not only would they be years behind in engine development, they'd have to pay $20M to each of the 10 teams currently participating in F1. The FIA and teams claimed that clause to be a safeguard against this very thing, but it doesn't seem to be helping, does it? It only makes the sport look even more elitistic than it already is. I'm very skeptical about them joining. They left the WEC even when they could put to use in road cars all the R&D done for the 911 EVO.... and the FIA only changed the WEC LMP1H rulebook when the class literally died, so them stating those conditions is probably just to inform the F1 fans because the FIA was already aware of them. AND even if the FIA is willing to change the rulebook, all 10 teams and engine suppliers need to agree on the PU regulation changes. I wish Porsche good fortune, but with those conditions, I don't see them joining unless a miracle happens.

Would be great to see more manufacturers / teams involved in F1, and that they are competitive, not just there to make up the grid. F1 has become something of a somewhat predictable procession compared to MotoGP, which has a good mix of teams, manufacturers, and riders capable of winning races.

Goal: more focus on electrification FIA: yeets the MGU-H, an engineering marvel in the field of energy harvesting

Sounds like they just want the rules bent to their advantage, since they already have done so much research and development on electric... lets be honest

Get this... now hear me out... a multi-billion dolllar car company is too scared to enter F1 bc of financial burden but an energy drink company has the balls to have not one, but two teams. what a yoke

it would honestly be pretty cool if vw group entered into f1 through their bugatti rimac ownership. it would make perfect sense since rimac would be the best equipped partner they have for hybrid drivetrain development if they wanted to have a works team and support one or two others and a powertrain manufacturer. and since vw has a reduced stake in that company it still keeps them playing nice with all their promises of electrification.

Already enjoy watching these. Well put together. Already a sub 👏🏼✌🏼

More teams in F1 would be sick. 10 teams isn't enough and more drivers means more s🅱️ins Edit: I am not talking about Porsche and Audi and ik more teams won't join but I would like it to happen

At this point, let's focus on who are actually serious. I feel like we're begging now.

Seeing Porsche in Formula 1 would be incredible! I hope they do eventually decide on a deal so we can see them maybe even join the grid sometime in the future :)

I'd love an MGU-H in a road car. If it can be made reliable.

As a kind of vaguely Porsche fan at this point I'd love to see this happen, but I'm cynical about them ever actually doing it. Thinking about it...what do Porsche have to gain? It's not like they need the PR, so it'll be tough for F1 to make it worth their while.

I think it would be nice to see 1 or 2 or even 3 more teams added onto the grid

Just let teams choose the engine pathway, so due to its endurance experience they could use a v4 hybrid, other teams could also specialize in the engine layout and electrical output levels. So it’s even more attractive to manufacturers so they can test what works best for them against the best. But that would require less regulations, which we all know the FIA just LOVE to micromanage!

Can you imagine a F1 Grid with Ferrari, Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Porsche, Lamborghini.

Wait, Porsche asked for a focus towards electrification? I'm pretty sure that's VW condition, I remember Porsche asking for a greater effort to use synthetic fuels back in the first quarter of 2020 (or maybe 2021, cant quite say, likely 2021).

The only thing that is sad to hear for me is: "more standard part for the engine to reduce freedom" I do think with the future biofuel or synthetic fuel, that a battle between V12/V10/V8 would be beautiful. Even hybrid one. But give them some freedom...

I've been a Porsche Fan since Childhood and now that I'm into F1 I'd be super hyped if they join

I think VW is in danger of watering down F1's unique appeal with the demands to move the formula closer to Formula E. If they really believe that electrification is the future then the group should back that belief by putting all its weight behind making Formula E the premier series, rather than trying to make F1 into Formula E in all but name. This stealing of the prestige, popularity and history of F1 risks destroying just that and motorsports will be poorer if they succeed.

I too am also seriously considering joining f1

If Porsche wants to dictate all the terms of F1 maybe they just shouldn't enter.

Those are some pretty high demands, I don't think other teams will stand for that. Porsche could dominate with these kinds of changes, they have a lot of incredible experience in FE.

Nice and we need and wish videos in 60fps HDR resolution clarity quality soon please and Sound in full HD 3D Stereo.

Since F1 started they've always been responsible for improvements to road cars for everyone whether they realize it or not. Even modern turbo-hybrid cars have changed the hybrid landscape for road going cars by demonstrating the efficiency and effectiveness of kers/mgu. I am convinced that the hybrid market would not be in the state it currently is without the formula 1 shift to hybrid engines in 2014.

F1 has always been thinking about its own technology, and inspiring the technology of road cars. It's inevitable for the lesser to follow. Why should you think about road cars first and then F1 to follow? There are GT or another road related classes already. F1 should always be another world's prototype.

Why can't the MGU-H be applied to road going cars? I actually thought generating electricity from wasted energy (exhaust gas) would be something that would be very useful for road going hybrid cars.

They need to chance the fuel flow, it peaks at 10500rpm but should really be flatter for more road relevance, more power, and probably better engine sound.

Eliminating the MGUH rather than developing the tech for the road would be very sad. Getting that efficiency into road cars would be incredible.

“As an OEM you want to show yourself in motorsport. It needs to be relevant to what happens on the road” - I don’t agree, just whack the v10s back in 😜

What we need to see is a situation where the blocks, crankshafts, conrods, pistons, and heads are all made by independant spec providers. And then each team can buy from who ever they want and assemble them in whatever configuration they want. At the same time free up other parts which are less expensive as a source of innovation. That's the way to keep costs down while also letting more teams enter the category. There is a precedent here. McLaren provided the black box engine management systems for years to all the teams.

I think if the cut of the NGU-H, the increased electric components and the engine collab with Red Bull go through, it'll happen. After all, the marketing effect easily justifies the capped expenses, and like everything else, it comes down to the monetary efficiency in the end.

I won't believe anything until the first race of the first season when the car is on the grid. Porsche/VW/Audi are fickle on F1 at best.

I'm still holding out for the possibility of Williams-Audi winning the constructors in '26 xD

9:04 "now you're up to speed..." Love to lowkey shout out to Donut Media

The misuse of quotation marks at the 2:19 point of the video was a bit distracting.

I still feel like this is never going to happen

A few more teams on the grid would be good rather than linking up / replacing an existing engine/pu provider

I say they should go to a new engine type and then a new battery driven motor option , then randomly throw in laps that have to be run on battery only to mix things up more.

A McLaren-Porsche partnership would be brilliant 😍 the TAG badged Porsche engines helped McLaren to several championships in the early to mid 80s before Honda partnered with McLaren. Hopefully this time, partnering with a past engine manufacturer would work out better than it did a few years back when Honda returned 😂

I like how you guys upload videos this frequently

would be nice to have another manufacturers but if they just want formula1 to become formulaE please just stay out

The livery design in the thumbnail looks so cool.

It's about time there was a shake up. And it's arguably a good time for one. Drive to Survive (love it or hate it) has brought in a big new fan base. There's a massive rivalry in the championship. As well as the fact more and more people want to see new manufacturers on the grid. 🤷‍♂️ seems like a no brainer in my Humble opinion

I’m all for greater reliance on the electrical side of the “power unit”. But if that does happen, I expect to see 1,400 horsepower instead of 1,000.

I suppose it would be good to have another works team on the grid, but whether Porsche or Audi actually turn up well I'll believe it if I see it. Even if they do I'm even more doubtful about whether they will have the commitment to actually engage with the sport long enough to enjoy success. I was excited to see BMW on the grid and look what happened there.

I swear every 4 months I see a UKposts video with a title regarding Porsche entering F1 lmao. Great video regardless!

If they’re making more from the MGU-K then they’ll be in the 12-1400HP range if the engines stay at the same power levels.

Porsche has been a major player in F1 in the past. I would look forward to see the manufacture back in F1. Porsche is already a player in formula E. YYYYEEEESSSSS

Would love to see Porsche back in F1.

Bringing more manufacturers is always good, especially with a high quality one and well established like VW. But they're asking too much, and I don't believe they're on the position to do so. F1 can offer much more profits to them than what they could ever add to an already successful sport. If they want to bet on electrical parts they need to bring their own game up with the standards we already have (which will probably increase by then) and not the other way around. Can a mostly E car compete in F1, only time will tell what's possible.

I'm just confused at this point whether the new engine regs will come in 2025 or 26 since every article i read says something different

I seriously hope that Audi and Porche do come will be interesting to see how Mercedes copes with a fellow German rival.

Engine rule deregulation needs to happen now. Drastically reduce the “required” size of the low energy density hybrid lithium ion batteries. If Honda can build an AWD car with a hypothetical stronger 2.0L V8 without heavy batteries than a hypothetical Mercedes’ 2.0L Turbocharged V6 or Ferrari 2.0L Supercharged I4, then let them race. The sport is worthless if the cars aren’t competitive and can’t overtake each other.

I think another engine manufacturer would be good. Even better would be 2 more teams as well as an additional engine manufacturer, as I don't think there are enough cars (teams) on the grid. Another 2 teams, that's 4 cars in the race, would be great.

Not the point of the video but worth a mention, The Race is the "Donut Media" of F1 UKposts, quality videos, excellent attention to detail but uncanny ability to only expound on technical details as needed and always in the most understandable language possible to laymen , and it's always a good watch.

It’s great that they might enter the sport but I just wish they would go all in with a new team, I think that would really be good for f1

If there would be a Porsche F1 Team Pascal Wehrlein has to be one driver He deserves another chance imo Merc should have chosen him over Bottas in 2017 and he is doing a good job in FE with Porsche

Roof section of that building at 0:35 is interesting

As a german I can say that your pronounciation of Porsche is very accurate!

Honda are still very involved with RedBull & have stated they will continue their partnership in other ways ongoing, so if RedBull makes a deal with VW/Porsche how will all that work⁉️🤔 As a fan I think I would have preferred Honda to stay & to continue there fight to catch & maybe even overtake Mercedes Power Unit⁉️💯🏁🏎 Great Video Again Guy’s! 🏁🏎✔️

The thumbnail for this video is a dream and had me clickimg instantly. I really hope it comes true!

I don’t feel you should be allowed to dictate anything looking from the outside in, only current teams should be part of rules discussions.

Please reduce the ‘subscription fluff’ from the run time of the video. Reserve that to info links and stand alone website links. Really changes the flow of the videos and kind of cheapens the overall look of the message...

I wish F1 would allow manufacturers more freedom with powertrain options.....like an NA V8 with hybrid or Turbo V6 Hybrid or NA V10 hybrid /supercapacitor (like the Lamborghini Sian but that has a V12) or twin turbo V6/V8 etc. F1 is Becoming a spec series.

How would Porsche manage an f1 and an lmdh program at the same time and with which factory drivers

What do you mean an MGU-H can't be used on road going cars? As near as I can tell if you put a turbo and MGU-H on any road going hybrid it would be faster and more efficient.

Honestly I think they asking a little to much especially in the electrical department where they have advantages compared to the limited electrical equipment of the rest of the f1 teams.

what does electrification means on this regard? having electric f1 cars? or improving electric energy on the car?

I preferred the days when the teams were there purely for the love of racing, not just as some marketing program for their road cars. They can get lost with their road relevance talk.

the MGU-H is great, but it needs to be cut in the middle. the heat turbine should have an electric generator without a connection to the compressor. the compressor should have it's own electric motor. without the direct mechanic connection the rpm can be lower and the turbines bigger. a 250 hp electric motor should be directly on the combustion engine.

As an Audi driving McLaren fan, it's fairly obvious who I'd like to see them form a partnership with. I think the Red Bull tie up is far more likely though and surely that would mean RBR running Porsche branded engines and Alpha Tauri running Audi branded engines, or possibly even rebranding entirely as Audi.

They want to reduce freedom for the internal combustion engine? I don't think that's a good thing. One of the things I was hoping for with the next rules was more variety in designs like why not have different engine set ups like flat 6s or straight 6s as an example?

A Porsche team in F1 would be amazing. I‘d root for them so hard.

Mgu-h in these turbo era (many cars these days has turbos) will has it's benefits in road cars. I have no idea how to implement it but every heat that's not being used is a waste of energy

Good video the race👍

new teams are great and all, but I do not want to see increased electrification of F1. F1 shoud stay a mostly fuel driven engine based motorsport, at least in my opinion.

I still think Williams-Porsche and Audi with a very own team.

Well, is clear that RBR and potentially Alfa Tauri are getting on the Vw train, however I'm not too sure about Mclaren, I guess would be too much of risk to a team the is just raising from the ashes, but I could be wrong on this one. Williams seems a sure deal considering how close Jost Capito is to the VW group and all he have achieved for them at the WRC, so it's a matter of time find out what is to happen.

They only want to get the electrical parts in because they´ve done that for a while and are superior in that area. They cant keep up atm which is understandable

Would prefer that VW invests in entering both Audi and Lamborghini.

By 26, Mercedes and Honda's engines will be impossibly advanced.

Unfortunately I'll believe it when I see it because there have rumors going on for a while about Audi and Porsche... I would love to see it personally but let's wait and see if this deal comes together... or is it just to get our F1 hopes up!!

One comment I do not agree with is that the MGU-H is not relevant to road vehicles? Merc had already mooted plans in June of 2020 to use this tech in their AMG range of production vehicles? The idea behind the road-car version of the MGU-H planned by Mercedes-AMG is not to boost performance through the delivery of extra horsepower - like in F1 - but to help improve engine response time and minimise turbo lag.

The concept that a brand has demands towards F1 is just wrong. It's you adapting to the competition, not the opposite

I feel like it would be a big risk for Porsche, and I don’t think they’d be okay with being the worst team on the championship. Nevertheless, I would definitely root for them to pull it off

I don't see redbull putting the engine in alpha tauri like the Honda engine.. it'll be a pioneer move definitely aligning with new regulations which they'll probably have a prior knowledge concession secretly I reckon... would be cool to see alpha Tauri use porsche and red bull Audi or something like that though

MGU-H has been one of the tech most relevant invention of the lats 20ys. Going to find more inro