The guy who made joker said the only way to get an actual film made in today’s climate was to dress it up as a superhero film to fool the producers

They suck because Disney practically owns the whole entire entertainment industry. Edit: These replies have really went down the drain.

I think that this is why foreign cinema has become so popular, why parasite was such a breath of fresh air of creativity and storytelling in its message.

The way it angered Disney tells me Scorsese is right. I felt the same. The impact on old movies from the 60ies and 70ies lasts until today. Modern movies simply vanish from our minds a few month later..

movies are so dull nowadays that I don't even bother pirating them anymore

The fact that Hollywood can't tell the difference between a story with a moral and political propaganda doesn't help either...

There is a reason why I prefer older theater or indie movies. You put into words what I didn't realize why I liked old movies so much, now I get it. Thank you!

Movies that have been made by the Coen brothers are literally works of art and are pathos driven with touches of well placed bathos. Absolute masterpieces.

Overuse of CGI Mediocre actors Lazy writting Political correctness Lazy music Too many franchises Constant Remakes . Edit: I recommend you guys watch the movie “ Upgrade”. It’s one of the most underrated films that were overshadowed by Marvel.

"Why would we make art, when we could be making MONEY?" - Studio

Martin Scorsese was on point with his judgement. What he said was actually very obvious. It's the reason why I can't watch movies for many years now. There is almost only trash on the market. People are very mainstream and of course the general population has no understanding of quality input.

I'm always amused by the fact that 90+% of the movies that come out - you can figure out whats going to happen before it even happens. Barely any mysteries or twists in movies today and it all just seems so tiring at times.

“It’s psychotic. They keep creating new ways to celebrate mediocrity, but if someone is genuinely exceptional...” - Mr Incredible (The Incredibles)

This happens with UKposts too I’m glad you put out some quality content and not garbage for the sake of views bro thank you.

I've only discovered your channel 1 hour ago and, 3 videos in, I feel I know incredibly more about how the world works than I did an hour ago. I've never felt this way, you blew my mind.

I love Marvel movies, but I can see how they aren't incredibly deep, however fun they are. It is nice that we will get amazing movies now and again, even if it's only a handful per year. Knives Out was a recent favorite of mine.

"Humor sells better than art" But art is remembered over time.

One other problem is that Hollywood keep (for whatever reason) making remakes of genuinely good movies. I personally think it would make more sense to remake "bad" or mediocre movies with a genuinely good plot.

Bravo, Martin. I have not walked away from an American movie stirred, puzzled, enlightened or otherwise moved in ages. A local theater has an annual Oscar nominee film festival. I spend 10 days in the dark in search of joy, outrage, fear, sadness or any other profound emotion and am not disappointed. It's no wonder foreign films are winning best picture.

Personally I love the MCU, but because I go into these movies knowing it's not high art and I don't expect some groundbreaking cinema. But I do agree it came at a price of cinematic integrity. There is little variety to films these days and it's really sad. Movies like the lighthouse should be more widely known than it is cause it is such a great film.

Can't stand most movies. But I tend to not tell people in my life that anymore. It always ends up with them convinced it's their life purpose to change my mind.

The best writing advice I ever got was "If you want to preach become a priest, if you aren't willing to write a convincing arguement for the other side you're just a propagandists, and people can watch the news for that." This was before social media was mainstream.

So I’m a couple years late on this comment, but.. You nailed it 1000000%. Absolutely spot on analysis! Movies these days are tripe for all the reasons you mentioned. 😮

The problem with this viepoint is thinking that all movies in "the olden days" were high art. There always were a lot more awful movies than good ones. We have a lot more visibility on movies now, we see a lot more trash, not because on a whole there's so much more trash(though i also would say there is), but because we hear about and see more movies than ever thanks to the internet.

Corporate greed is ruining almost every type of media nowadays.

A lot of modern movies basically consist of: - explosion - CGI - mr. fantastic who throw “witty” one liner all the time - obscenity - social media hype A lot of movie lack: - good story that does not even need visual to captivate - original storyline - emotion - morale story

To be honest, these days I'm watching foreign language films and TV shows as the stuff produced in far flung places like South Korea is often much better than Hollywood. Indeed, some of the South Korean dramas on Netflix like It's Okay not to be Okay, while 14 hours long and subtitled in English, are far more watchable than what's produced in the UK or the USA.

I have a crazier idea for you. Like when I was a kid in the 80’s, someone should actually write an ORIGINAL STORY, and invent their own “character.”

Anthony Mackie (The actor who plays Falcon in the Avengers) talked about this, and he was spot on, today’s movies, as he said, are largely made for 16 year olds and China.

I still can't believe someone made a movie about humanoid cats

2 years later, and this video is truer than ever. Last year, my buddies DRAGGED me to see "Fast and Furious 9"....and I promptly took a 2 hour nap. "What'd you think of the movie?" "You mean the 2-hour long commercial?"

It has been 3 years since you made this clip. I didn't realise this at first and I mistakenly thought it was a very accurate portrayal of where modern media stands in 2023. That I thought this, demonstrates that nothing has improved.

"In Hollywood, remember kids, it's not important if it's of high quality, only if it makes money" - Mark Hamill.

Way back when, a musician wrote a song. Now a musician writes a product.

In the deepest trenches of WW1, troops were 3 weeks trapped there fighting. I bet they were telling jokes to each other just to stay sane. Telling jokes in dark times isn't the problem. But 30 minutes later when their enemies enter right into their trenches to invade, you bet they aren't telling jokes anymore. It was life and death. It just has to happen naturally.

One of the best of yours bro... it's true . 20 years ago I had my English dictionary beside me whenever I watched a movie. Cos to understand the movie and thanks to them learned a lot. But today you don't need a dictionary and for some (MCU) don't need ears. Making the whole world dumb.

I find porn to have have more plot twists than most movies these days

Its like Ricky Gervais said : The best directors and actors all moved along to Netflix and FX (In his Infamous tirade at the Emmy awards) Its true. The Hollywood monolith is on the way down

I feel like the dominate format for good story telling changed into TV shows that we binge watch. Why go to a theater when I can watch several hours of a good show like Squid Game? A squid game movie would have hours of footage eliminated. I would go to the theater to see the kind of movie that's best watched in a theater, which would be things that are cool to see in theaters like The Matrix. A movie theater is a sort of theme park ride, and as long as that is true movies will keep being made to be more grandiose with explosions, violence and high fidelity sound tracks.

Thank you so much for this, it made many things clear which I have felt but not really thought out! It reminded me irresistible of what is happening to ESO at the moment: a working recipe and too many cheap copies of itself! (Take last year’s horse/house and give it another colour! = NEW horse/house!) Haha! Due to the fact that I can physically feel sound, I have stopped going to the cinema altogether. To be bombarded with visual effects, sound clips and ever faster moving scenes is something I don’t willingly pay money for. The last film I watched was “The bucked list” and that I enjoyed.

So glad to hear that other people feel the same way. Films aren't intellectually challenging anymore.

Movies now: Good guys vs bad guys and bad guys always lose. Moral? There is none.

I love the Guardians of the Galaxy movie, but I really hate the ending where Quill sings and dances to distract Ronan. It was such a serious moment. Groot sacrificed himself to save his friends, thousands of soldiers have died, city devastated, and Quill breaks out in song and dance...

The vertical integration of studios and exhibitors is also a real problem. There are very few independent cinemas left so getting a screen for a non-studio movie is impossible. Hollywood is pretty much the modern poster child for anti-competitive behaviour yet nothing gets done. It's a shame as some of my best memories are of going to the cinema in the 90s and enjoying the variety. I honestly can't remember the last time I set foot in one.

it seems like movies gets worse the most money are put into them.

when I watch these big studio movies these days, it feels like watching a two hour trailer for the next sequel

One thing I don't quite understand is why on earth Hollywood cannot possibly make a film on a less extravagant budget. I shot a commercial in LA and the amount of unnecessary shit there was absolutely stunning. So many problems could be solved by not having to make hundreds of millions to merely break even.

I think when you look at modern movies as long, extremely expensive commercials for all the clothes, toys and games they plan to sell as a result of people seeing it then it makes more sense.

Hollywood has forgotten that what people go tot he movies for is a worthwhile story well told.

We cant forget the spy kids series, with meaningful lines such as "you think god stays in heaven because he, too, fears what he has created"

I agree. Altho the view about what should be regarded as good/bad or artistic/mediocre is kind of a recurring theme already in discussions about art. It's always been old art=better, modern art=bad or mainstream=mediocre, unknown=artsy. The thing is, this kind perspective about new and old movies/art demonstrate bias. It's important to consider that both old and modern arts (or in this case, movies) have their bad sides. The only difference is, overtime, the bad eggs of the old art have mostly been filtered out which is why only the remarkable ones remained since they were the only ones referenced to or mentioned as time passed by. In contrast, since we're more exposed to new movies, we tend to notice more of the bad eggs of modern movies which overshadows the good ones. Altho yeah I get that movies such as those from the MCU are the fast food equivalent of cinema, but what's wrong with trying to indulge every now and then with something enjoyable? After all, MCU movies are also art forms by its animations and editing whilst other movies are art forms by being thought provoking. Therefore, with this perspective (similar to scorcece's), aren't we, in a way, limiting art when it should be diverse and subjective? Art doesn't have a standard and universal definition anyway. In a way, it's kinda off putting and condescending to claim that what most people enjoy is trash. Sometimes, just because it's enjoyed by many doesn't make it mediocre. Appreciating what most people don't doesn't make one special either.

An exceptionally insightful essay. You were uncannily accurate about the financial dynamics of movie-making. Backers are often entities flush enough to bet the equivalent of playing a single number on a roulette wheel, but they still want to make money.

"Movies must return investment on the first weekend." - because later everybody knows the movie sucks and the dropoff spirals.

It's the same thing that ruins almost everything: Greed

12:37 - It's ironic that the poster for Doctor Strange says 'Expand your mind', when the only way to do that is to stop watching it and films like it...

I chuckled when you mention Syd Field, I read his book on screenwriting, that's what he espouses. I have friend here in Los Angeles who wanted to be a screenwriter. He said he couldn't get a studio to take his script seriously. He said "they only want crap." My response was "then write crap."

I miss comedy movies when they where actually funny.

Most modern films are once watch films. The classic films you'll watch multiple times, like Green Mile or The Shawshank Redemption.

I was a big fan of TV’s The Walking Dead. I really hoped the team behind the longest-form zombie story in the world would pull out all the stops for the final episode. What, instead, did we get? An hour of promotion & set-ups for the multiple spinoff series soon to follow their twisted, rotting progenitor. The entire final episode was just advertising. What a wasted opportunity. What a slap in the face for all loyal fans. What a crock.

I think that this is the reason that Master and Commander: the far side of the world, while an amazing movie, is nearly unknown.

Movies have now morphed into social engineering devices.

When everything gets commercialized, quality is decreasing...

I saw Black Phone yesterday. While it wasn't perfect, it hearkened back to the gritty suspense films of the 90s/00s. That gave me some hope, as I have not seen a truly dark suspense movie for some time. The world needs more Se7ens, Leaving Las Vegases, Lost Highways, Mementos, and Falling Downs....

Mrs Richards: "I paid for a room with a view!" Basil: (pointing to the lovely view) "That is Torquay, Madam." Mrs Richards: "It's not good enough!" Basil: "May I ask what you were expecting to see out of a Torquay hotel bedroom window? Sydney Opera House, perhaps? the Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically past?..." Mrs Richards: "Don't be silly! I expect to be able to see the sea!" Basil: "You can see the sea, it's over there between the land and the sky." Mrs Richards: "I'm not satisfied. But I shall stay. But I expect a reduction." Basil: "Why?! Because Krakatoa's not erupting at the moment ?"

*”Merchandising! Merchandising! Where the real money from the movie is made!”* -Yogurt

They're made on an assembly line now that's why.

"Predictable, meaningless crap" also summarizes most movies and has for over 40 years.

When Russian swimmer Alex Popov was asked who his favourite Hollywood hero was, at Atlanta in 1996, he answered that what they do in movies is make believe, what I do is real, I should be their hero.

Right as we transition to “story telling” I get an advertisement for a movie about a talking sex doll.

"If The movie is so woke why am I falling asleep?" Bill Mayer

A24 Studios is single handedly saving cinema. That and whoever wrote "It Follows".

As Harry Potter once said "You're using him as a scapegoat and me as a mascot."

I remember in the 70's my dad told me that a movie with a lot of cussing was because the writer couldn't think of anything to say and a sex scene was because they couldn't come up with anything to do...and if you look back at movies like "Casablanca" and "Wuthering Heights" etc. that are love stories done without a sex scene; Heathcliff got it across he was an a hole without saying a single cuss...and gradually that changed and we thought we were so progressive, look, we can cuss on screen; look, we can have sex on screen and it's part of the story! Really? This general reliance on distractions is part of why we embrace the mediocre in movies now.

Audience's role in responding to these movies is also very important. This makes me really appreciate the audience of the 70s that went to watch movies and In a way support more movies like godfather, alien, mad max, all the president's men, dog day afternoon, taxi driver and many more. Movies were serious and they were taken seriously. They took risk of being original and audience responded to it. These movies are still remembered today.

20:40 Bathos: Don't knock it, Thoughty2. The only thing I remember from "The Avengers" (2012, I had to look up the year) is the "puny god" scene.

On Saturday I had my dad over and we decided to watch some movies. I put on safety last of Harold Lloyd, a movie from 1923. He is a fan of old Cinema. I enjoyed the movie as much as he Did. Classic , simple and comedy was on point. No dialogue but told a rich story. I was so amazed.

Peter Gabriel: "There are very few books written by a committee, and for a very good reason." These trite movies are.

I think audience also has to do with this. Marvel movies make billions whereas some good movies just can't get enough screens.

This is probably why recently people are starting to be more open to Snyder's movies. Before that in 2016, a lot hated it for not being like Marvel.

All the movie industry wants is to take all the most basic concepts, create something terrible, then sue you if you make something better, because "we did it first youre copying us"

Let’s be honest - even in cinema’s “golden age” the great movies were few and far between and were separated by an awful lot of dross.

My favorite films from the last year were 1917 and Lighthouse. It seems like the number of artistic and original films being made falls every year.

Popcorn movies have existed since the early 1900s. A popcorn movie is one which is light and airy, and not worth thinking about after it's gone. The real question is not whether there are great movies and crappy movies made each year - that's a given. The real question is whether the ratio of good vs. crappy has changed over the last decades, and if so, how?

Something my writing professor always said to ask yourself while watching or reading something is “what is the meaning of this, or what’s the point?” If you can’t answer or you have multiple different answers, chances are it’s objectively not that good of a movie/ book/ show.

At the end of the day everyone has their own taste in movies, however I do agree how bad modern movies are because it’s always following the simple rules and always predictable. Nothing Unique or out of the box and story telling’s just getting worse even if the cgi has gotten better...

As a member of the younger generation, I just assumed I don't like action as a genre. But turns out I was just fed up with the soulless 2010s action movies, and the older 90s action movies actually do have (exciting, funny, touching, inspiring, tought-rising) storylines, despite them being action movies. Also, the budabest hotel was really worth the money!

Loved this one. Great job. I saw wick 4 with a dude who is into marvel and he kept ragging on the fakeness and “bad acting.” Besides the hypocrisy of fakeness at Wick but not marvel comments…. Ppl have No sense of the art form, the various art forms of different genres… blah blah… anyway I dream of days when excellent movies come back to the box office. Not many reasons to go nowadays.

You forgot one of the most common plots: loser gets successful. (Basic plot for Harry Potter)

That's why Disney has been churning out a plethora of "live action" remakes. Beloved characters & stories + celebrities = safe and easy money.

“The Lighthouse” (2019), “Bladerunner 2049”, “Joker”, “Parasites”, “There will be blood”, “Biutiful” are giving me hope for a brighter future. Directors of this movies are masters!

I think this is one of the good reason why we move to other media because we're bored. As much as I enjoy those big films they don't impact me like other things. When I recently finished Platinum End I was questioning my existence, the world and religion all in one go due to the build up and impact of the end

“A movie must appeal to the international market” Translation- don’t offend China

Today’s film industry can’t make stories come alive without special effects, loud noise, a music score or brand placements. That’s very primitive, compared to the past.

Last 10 years movies in one line: A normal person do normal stuff and have to get / go / do something. 244 kills, 18 cars and 4867 explosions later, arrives!

In Thor: Love and Thunder there is a scene where they talk about cancer and death but in the next second comes a joke to laugh at. Masterwork

Arran, when I read what Scorsese said about the MCU, my reaction was “not 1 of his movies has ever brought me to tears.” And “he must be talking about his own movies!” My mother has watched all 20+ MCU movies with me, and sure enough, once she gets past the violence (having lived in Europe during Hitler’s reign has put her off violence), she really enjoys them. She’s older than Scorsese so I can’t claim it’s an age thing. I love MCU, but probably because I collected comic books from 1977 when I discovered comic shops, until 2016 when Marvel changed its own history in the storylines. Thus far, all the movies they’ve made in the MCU have characters I recognize. I watch movies a lot, and not just those that are popular. Many movies that earn a low CinemaScore are movies that I enjoy, and on the opposite end there are many with an A rating that I think are total crap. I see most in the theater, but have to now see them on the small screen because they don’t last more than a week in the theaters near me. I can see your opinions. Joss Whedon is a joke unto himself. But that doesn’t mean that Martin Scorsese is good. He isn’t.

I'm so glad to see I'm not the only person that feels this way. I thought I was losing it with age

They have traded talent in the writing, acting and directing skills, for computer visualizations that aren't very good! Also they (Hollywood) rate themselves, what other industry does that? They rate the success of a movie on how many inflated dollars it makes, NOT on how many people actually bother to watch it!

This was synchronistic. Just before watching this video, I saw a 2021 movie that I won't name, and I was trying to figure out what it was about the dialogue (and it's effect on the film) that bothered me so much. I realize it was mostly what you refer to as BATHOS. The best way I could describe it before was a lack of integrity between the dialogue and the tone of each scene. It's as though the dialogue script was written by a team sitting around a table writing sarcastically witty banter but had no idea what the emotional or conflict basis for each scene was. Imagine if Doc Brown in 'Back to the Future', when he was trying to attach the electrical cables to the clock before the lightning strike, was spilling witty sarcasm in a cool dead-pan manner - it would have lost all of the integrity of that scene. Instead, he makes us believe he's terrified and that his and Marty's lives depend on him connecting the wires. Besides, there's lots of other effective contrasts of tense and comedic moments in 'Back to the Future'. For example, when Marty first finds Doc in 1955, and Doc doesn't believe Marty came from the future, he subjects Marty to all kinds of crazy things that, although the situation is tense, the humour is appropriate. Anyway, enough of the brilliant 'Back to the Future'. Regarding Bathos, I've never been a fan of any movie with the 'hero' doing a one-liner when other characters are shot or blown up, but at least it only happened once or twice in the whole movie (still don't like those movies). More and more now, it's the reverse: movies made of one-liners and the occasional moment of sincerity. There's always exceptions to everything, such as a movie like Top Secret (1984), with Val Kilmer, which was tongue-in-cheek from beginning to end, but it still manages to have a certain integrity because it was done so creatively. Back to this video, the only part that I would disagree with is the Pulp Fiction example. The main reason I didn't like that movie was the off-hand 'Bathos' during traumatic moments. I wouldn't watch that movie again if someone paid me to. And I definitely don't watch a lot of movies for the same reason, and thanks to this video, now I know why.

What a relief to see that I'm not alone. I've started watching Italian, Chinese, French and many other non Hollywood movies and it's a breath of fresh air.