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@OldSchoolBoxing1
@OldSchoolBoxing1 12 днів тому
Great video Random 👊🏻, are you going to do anymore year by year content on Langford?
@joecurmaci5880
@joecurmaci5880 13 днів тому
Jack Johnson toyed with them
@joecurmaci5880
@joecurmaci5880 13 днів тому
Dempsey was afraid of Sam Langford
@OldSchoolBoxing1
@OldSchoolBoxing1 15 днів тому
I see this being a competitive fight with Johnson winning a decision. But I can see Dempsey knocking down Johnson and hurting him multiple times. But Johnson would wear him down, in the clinches. However Dempsey in his prime was a killer. He could defiently knock Johnson's block off.
@OldSchoolBoxing1
@OldSchoolBoxing1 15 днів тому
Great video guys, greetings from England 👌🏻
@frankshattuck1409
@frankshattuck1409 16 днів тому
This is great. Thank you guys
@scrapbookboxing1094
@scrapbookboxing1094 18 днів тому
Shout out to Jay Wolf, Random my list that we spoke about is in the comments on our last show of course whatever possible.
@scrapbookboxing1094
@scrapbookboxing1094 18 днів тому
Nice conversation. Very informative.
@randomacousticthoughts
@randomacousticthoughts 17 днів тому
Cheers Scrap 👊
@kubrick12
@kubrick12 19 днів тому
Good show guys! This is drews burner
@randomacousticthoughts
@randomacousticthoughts 19 днів тому
Big up Drew 👊
@scrapbookboxing1094
@scrapbookboxing1094 27 днів тому
Bob Armstrong,Black Fitzsimmons, Harry Wills, Sam Langford, Sam McVea, Joe Jeanette,,Battling Mathar,,Jack Johnson,,kid Norfolk,, Leo Johnson ,,Len Jihnson ,, Alabama Kid,, Jamaca Kid,, Lee Anderson,, Batting Jim Johnson,, Jack Johnson,,Jie Butler,, Frank Craig,, George Gunther,, Peter Jackson. ,,Young Perer Jackson.,, C.A.C. Smith,, Dave Holly,,Joe Walcott,, Billy Hill,,Bob Scanton ,,Joe Gans,, Tiger Flowers ,,Bruce Flowers,, Harris Pearl Martin,, George Godfrey. Leoervill Shadow,, Old Chocolate Geirge Godfrey,,Sam Bolden,,Ramon Castillo,,,Tom Monlineaux,, Bill Richmond,, Ray Robinson,, Joe Louis ,, Henry Armstrong,, Kid Gaviin,, Dixi Kid,, William Gorilla Jones,, Kid Chocolate,, Young Jack Thompson,, Battling Siki,, Panama Al Brown,, Beau Jack, Ike Williams,, Bob Montgomery,, Charley Burley,, Archie Moore,, Ezzard Charles,, Harry Smith(Harlem Thunder Bolt). Bobby Dobbs Larry Temple,, Emile Griffith,, Benny Kid Paret,, Chalky wright,, Sandy Saddler,, Jack McVey,,Curtis Sheppard,, Bob Baker,,Bob Stonewall Allen,, Jack Black Burn,, Frank Childs,, Kid Charol,, George Byers,, Cuban Bobby Brown,,Frank Crozer,, Panama Joe Gan,, Baby Joe Gans,, Black Griffo,, Larry Estridge,,Frisco McGale.
@scrapbookboxing1094
@scrapbookboxing1094 27 днів тому
Bob Foster, Muhammad Ali,, Larry Holmes, cocoa Kid,, Holman Williams,, Jack Chase,, Tiger Aaron Wade,, Eddie Booker, Ray Leonard ,,Tommy Hearns,, Marvin Hagler, Georgie Benton,, Rubin Hurricane Carter. Obie Walker,, Elmer Violent Ray ,, Thank full list.
@blakegallimore5173
@blakegallimore5173 Місяць тому
Great show! Something alot of these guys have in common! They lost to the same opponent! HARRY GREB!
@user-ys4gz6oh2vDan
@user-ys4gz6oh2vDan Місяць тому
And Philadelphia jack Obrien
@paulgaskell452
@paulgaskell452 Місяць тому
Amazing chat. Thanks guys 🥊
@martindunstan8043
@martindunstan8043 Місяць тому
Great knowledgeable discussion as always,thanks to the panel for making it happen✌️🥊
@user-ys4gz6oh2vDan
@user-ys4gz6oh2vDan Місяць тому
That was a great show Random
@Robert-tj3qq
@Robert-tj3qq Місяць тому
Sam Langford "Boxing's Greatest Uncrowned Champion" by Moyle . It lists the fights ,dates,etc .I just read it . Sam was a good man
@frankshattuck1409
@frankshattuck1409 Місяць тому
Great article “The Trouble With Harry”. Wills was offered a box off with Tunney to see who fights Dempsey. Will refused. The rest is history. Also Dempsey DID sign to fight will but the promoter was bust. Wills got his signing bonus Dempsey did not. I know it’s comforting to say everything was racist, but not everything was. Know your history
@frankshattuck1409
@frankshattuck1409 Місяць тому
This is a genuinely good podcast
@OldSchoolBoxing1
@OldSchoolBoxing1 Місяць тому
Great content Random 👌🏻
@OldSchoolBoxing1
@OldSchoolBoxing1 2 місяці тому
Great breakdown guys 👌🏻
@OldSchoolBoxing1
@OldSchoolBoxing1 2 місяці тому
Great video lads, love both your channels 👊🏻
@IndianJS
@IndianJS 2 місяці тому
Scrapbook🥊🥊
@brianduncan3848
@brianduncan3848 2 місяці тому
Nice. Been friends with Andrew aka BL for a few years and guys like Joshua from 86 Boxing, respect guys 👊💥
@hardlineboxingtalk7542
@hardlineboxingtalk7542 2 місяці тому
Hello Brian good to see you
@user-ys4gz6oh2vDan
@user-ys4gz6oh2vDan 2 місяці тому
Part of this got deleted at heavyweight...not a word of Jeffries, Fitzsimmons, Corbett, Peter Jackson, John l Sullivan, DEMPSEY, Bob Armstrong
@hardlineboxingtalk7542
@hardlineboxingtalk7542 2 місяці тому
No nothing deleted they were just not considered for our top 2
@randomacousticthoughts
@randomacousticthoughts 2 місяці тому
We were only going 2 deep 1890-1925. The great Peter Jackson only had 28 of his 105 bouts from 1900 onward. The smaller heavyweight resumes of Corbett, Jeffries, Fitz, Dempsey etc can't touch Langford, Wills or Johnson so going 2 deep we don't need to get into peripheral detail in that format. 3 person panel, 8 weightclasses, 2 picks each trying for 90 minutes there's no time.
@user-ys4gz6oh2vDan
@user-ys4gz6oh2vDan 2 місяці тому
With the names I mentioned above ..Langford great fighter over many weight classes but when he got to heavyweight it was a weak Era I'm glad Langford wasn't fighting in the brutal 1890 to early 1900s because Langford took enough punishment i care about people. The names above I mentioned from the brutal Era would destroy Langford easy
@hardlineboxingtalk7542
@hardlineboxingtalk7542 2 місяці тому
@@user-ys4gz6oh2vDan langfords era was weak lol and the era you mention was brutal...nah sorry dont buy that at all
@hardlineboxingtalk7542
@hardlineboxingtalk7542 2 місяці тому
@@user-ys4gz6oh2vDan that just doesnt match the reality of the 2 periods
@user-ys4gz6oh2vDan
@user-ys4gz6oh2vDan 2 місяці тому
How did everyone forget Tommy Ryan at welterweight....BL alway spot on got him in his middleweight....BL spot on Ketchel 2 Greb 1....middleweight.....but did everyone forget the inspiration for the book Frankenstein at middleweight FITZSIMMONS
@randomacousticthoughts
@randomacousticthoughts 2 місяці тому
Great shoutouts Ryan and Fitz. A good amount of Fitz’s overall career lands in our timeframe 1890-1925 including the Nonpareil Dempsey win, but as a middle 1900-onward he perhaps didn't do as much high-level work as others. Ryan was awesome and fits in our time frame, but his great career is split between welter and middle. Great fighters though.
@surrealistidealist
@surrealistidealist 2 місяці тому
Mind blown! I could never appreciate this era as much as I do now without you, Scrapbook, BL and your friends like 86Boxing. Thank you all for all of this work! 🥊
@randomacousticthoughts
@randomacousticthoughts 2 місяці тому
🫡 📚
@randomacousticthoughts
@randomacousticthoughts 2 місяці тому
Thanks for tuning in, folks. The panel is BACK! We'll have a livestream on historically underrated fighters coming soon. 📖
@user-ys4gz6oh2vDan
@user-ys4gz6oh2vDan 2 місяці тому
Looking forward to underrated...Random and BL both great pointing out the forgotten greats
@hardlineboxingtalk7542
@hardlineboxingtalk7542 2 місяці тому
​@@user-ys4gz6oh2vDanand scrapbook too
@alanleemaxwell831
@alanleemaxwell831 2 місяці тому
This is brilliant, Bob is my all time favourite boxer ever, and it's a shame there isn't more footage of him...
@Bison-id5mo
@Bison-id5mo 3 місяці тому
I got so much respect for my ppl who lived through such a spiteful turbulent time...the athletes went through so much hardship.
@skinpolishers9357
@skinpolishers9357 4 місяці тому
He is no where near top 3 heavy weight I would not rank him in top ten
@seanmallett1
@seanmallett1 4 місяці тому
Could listen to you guys all day👍👊👌
@nickharmer3049
@nickharmer3049 5 місяців тому
Nice one buddy. Excellent clip, all to a lovely bit of Beethoven. I hope you're well. I'm so far behind, but hope to catch your Langford uploads asap. Take care. Bless 👊
@martindunstan8043
@martindunstan8043 5 місяців тому
Ah c'mon Nick, you didn't know that was Beethoven, you thought it was beetroot🤣 and that was a rendition of mushroom pasta not moonlight sonata🤣🤣just playin' mate, take care bud✌️
@nickharmer3049
@nickharmer3049 5 місяців тому
@@martindunstan8043 🤣🤣you know that bro.! 👊
@martindunstan8043
@martindunstan8043 5 місяців тому
@@nickharmer3049 🤣✌️
@martindunstan8043
@martindunstan8043 5 місяців тому
Random👍hope you're well buddy, a great clip made perfect with Beethonven's Moonlight sonata in the background, the leverage and movement of Sam Langford is given poetic justice when slowed down to appreciate. Cheers mate✌️
@nickharmer3049
@nickharmer3049 5 місяців тому
Hay Martin. Hope you're well mate 👍
@martindunstan8043
@martindunstan8043 5 місяців тому
@@nickharmer3049 good cheers Nick👍I'm still being an unparalleled pain in the backside to the best of my abilities🤣🤣hope your doing well mate, I miss our banter when BL does his vids🤣take care pal✌️
@nickharmer3049
@nickharmer3049 5 місяців тому
@@martindunstan8043 Have you had any from BL lately.? I thought he may have dropped me off of his email list. Take care mate 👍
@bigbear990
@bigbear990 6 місяців тому
Insane skills. How can you not call this man an inventor? The Hold and Hit master never met his ruler.
@surrealistidealist
@surrealistidealist 6 місяців тому
Beautiful shots! 💪🥊
@ignatiustenebris6743
@ignatiustenebris6743 6 місяців тому
This music touches the soul.
@randomacousticthoughts
@randomacousticthoughts 6 місяців тому
Thanks very much, it's an original tune
@joecurmaci5880
@joecurmaci5880 6 місяців тому
Sonny Liston coming back to Philadelphia was heart breaking that was sad to watch
@joecurmaci5880
@joecurmaci5880 6 місяців тому
I'm here brother
@nickharmer3049
@nickharmer3049 6 місяців тому
Nice one buddy. Thoroughly enjoying these uploads & catch them whenever I can. This fight anniversary idea is a good one. I will catch them all, but don't know when. Appreciated. Bless up 👊
@randomacousticthoughts
@randomacousticthoughts 6 місяців тому
Cheers, Nick. Thanks for the feedback 👊 If all goes to plan we'll get to his whole (known) career by late Sep '24.
@nickharmer3049
@nickharmer3049 6 місяців тому
@@randomacousticthoughts That's some mission bro. Something to look forward to, for sure.! Bless 👊
@Bruins-vq5ey
@Bruins-vq5ey 6 місяців тому
Dempsey dove.... He needed the money. Look into more
@randomacousticthoughts
@randomacousticthoughts 6 місяців тому
Seems likely he just wasn't ready for Flynn. If you check his boxrec Jack's resume was still very thin at that point and after that loss (KO 1/15) Dempsey's people booked his next 11 bouts as 4 rounders.
@Bruins-vq5ey
@Bruins-vq5ey 6 місяців тому
@@randomacousticthoughts Flynn was past his prime.. Dempsey needed money.. There was only two writers from papers at the fight and both agree it was fixed..the newspaper articles were just copied around the country.. Dempseys family was in need at this time.. I don't use boxrec, it's full of errors.. I've kept my own records and information that I've acquired over almost 60 years. Dempsey was a nobody then? Perhaps..but Flynn was washed... Everybody connected to that fight and was present all say fix.. That whole card was phony The delay for the Dempsey fight was about money and fixes... Dempseys next fights have no bearing whether this fight was a fix.. four rounders in California was the law Had nothing to do with his experience level.. He was residing in Utah around that time, and that was his last fight in the state after several...I think we both know why. He took the money and ran.. 33 prior fights and not once close to getting stopped...he never was stopped ever
@randomacousticthoughts
@randomacousticthoughts 6 місяців тому
@@Bruins-vq5ey The Salt Lake Telegram didn't smell a rat. They did, however, complain in their long writeup about the financial haggling that made the main event start very late. Dempsey just wasn't very seasoned yet, look at his opponent list heading into the bout. Flynn had already shared the ring with Tommy Burns, Jack Johnson, Sam Langford, George Gardner, Tony Ross, Jim Barry, Gunboat Smith, Jack Dillon, Twin Sullivan, Billy Papke, Battling Levinsky, Carl Morris, Fred Fulton and Al Kaufmann - some of them multiple times. Who had Dempsey fought? Flynn was his initial step up in class (unless we count John Lester Johnson who got the best of Dempsey ~7 months earlier). Flynn got him in February then Jack drew with Al Norton (4rd) and lost to Willie Meehan (4rd) in March. Dempsey was still getting into his groove, no shame in that. He became great, but wasn't there quite yet.
@Bruins-vq5ey
@Bruins-vq5ey 6 місяців тому
@@randomacousticthoughts all what you said still doesn't dispell a fix ...who stopped Dempsey before or after this fight? Look into Dempseys finances and money he owed and this all makes sense ... Not saying you're wrong in what you say, I enjoy your channel and the work you put in I respect...we agree to disagree
@randomacousticthoughts
@randomacousticthoughts 6 місяців тому
@Bruins-vq5ey It's all good, I appreciate the input. While it's not my place to tell anyone how to feel about the fight, the anonymous 1920 dive piece came at a time Dempsey was by then the A-Side and 'explaining the earlier loss' helped him and didn't tank his opportunity. The immediate local reporting I've seen said he got legitimately schooled. As far as why Dempsey wasn't stopped in other bouts, he realized his greatness as an offensive machine...and was the stopper not the stoppee. He was also careful about matchups post title win, which helps greatly in avoiding getting clocked.
@lane99
@lane99 6 місяців тому
The graphics are just great in your videos.
@randomacousticthoughts
@randomacousticthoughts 6 місяців тому
Hey thanks so very much, I'm glad they added to the experience. 👊 📖
@lane99
@lane99 6 місяців тому
As a Canadian I can tell you "NE" is not a Canadian Province. Though as an American, would've thought you'd have known "NE" is Nebraska.🙂 And Google tells us Bearcat fought out of Nebraska. Note: Google has never heard of "Walk Hill, NE". But there is a "Walthill, NE".
@randomacousticthoughts
@randomacousticthoughts 6 місяців тому
Ah must have been my typo, thanks. In the moment I drew a blank on NE 😂
@joecurmaci5880
@joecurmaci5880 6 місяців тому
It's funny they didn't have pit dogs and roosters on the card
@joecurmaci5880
@joecurmaci5880 6 місяців тому
You would think there would be more interest
@joecurmaci5880
@joecurmaci5880 6 місяців тому
I'm interested in how these young boxers deal with the racism at the time Marvin hagler barely made it out of the ring in England in modern times with modern security
@joecurmaci5880
@joecurmaci5880 6 місяців тому
Good work brother
@bigbear990
@bigbear990 6 місяців тому
Damn, 111 years ago. Crazy.
@lane99
@lane99 6 місяців тому
When you say an orange peel in place of a mouthpiece, are you making a joke? Or did they actually use that sometimes in those days?
@randomacousticthoughts
@randomacousticthoughts 6 місяців тому
Good question lane, I've seen it referenced a few times but haven't encountered it directly in my research yet.