I wonder why ?????? maybe because their server software is ...ummmm....difficult ? The PC business my partner and I had was one where she had the MS servers and I had the Linux servers...I'd have thrown myself under a bus if I'd had to have anything to do with MS servers. I've used Linux for 14 years and nothing would make me go back to the Dark Side of the Force.

Microsoft are in the game of offering up technology services, rather than systems. Windows isn't the biggest part of their business, and on the server side it's a diminishing one where Windows server is mostly only being used for legacy Microsoft specific services like Exchange. Gone are the says small and medium business are hosting a "easy to configure GUI" Windows server to run a product that runs their business, a lot of those products are now all SaaS cloud based. If your business is building out technology it's likely building it on the latest technologies now is all on Linux. Uses less resources, no licensing costs, open source and rapid development. So whilst some people think it's a "destroy from within" strategy, the reality is that Microsoft will be destroyed if they don't operate with industry standards, and that all on Linux.

They probably want but their clients not so much

Microsoft uses primary Windows Servers, so that statement is absolutely not true.

😂

yes it does, they charge for Windows Server so I am thinking their Linux Distro will have watered down capabilities next to Windows Server. Let the students play with CBL Linux but when they get to a professional position they will consider putting down cash for Windows Server.

@@victorolvera6482 not really sure thats the case mate... this distro is definatley not made for "students" and newcomers so that they can get their feet wet for windows 😂. Im pretty sure microsoft realises that linux is the defacto standard for *most* enterprise use cases. And think it would be nice if they could offer a 1st party linux solution instead of relying on open source volunteers. Eg ubuntu, redhat etc

It has more to do with interoperability than washed down version of an OS. They realized not all companies use an MS business model/architecture so they need to provide services for Linux business users as well. There is no logic in ignoring companies just because they don't use Windows.

M$ knows linux is king in the server market.

@@shaurz and nvidia apparently. They just demo'd gaming on arm based arch

@@shaurz they should include neofetch in the iso 😂

Sad noises...😆

@@shaurz yes gonna buy steam deck to hit that line only

@@Why72833 didn't know that you could do that! Their ASCII logo is so cool!

Crazy how not so long ago we had the CEO of the time Steve Balmer say Linux was a cancer.

If by "not so long ago" you mean 20 years ago, then yes, no so long ago.

It's still funny today.

@@sean8102 He said the GPL was cancer… he really wasn’t wrong, in the analogy, tbh.

Microsoft Linux... hmm, seems Legit..

And not contributing mainstream

@@ashwin372 Microsoft has contributed in the past.

Whatever brings in moneh

*GNU/Windows

Yes

@@anant6778 rofl you made my day

Strange :-D

@@Lofote I agree, been using windows for a decade, and haven't had any issue, since i have a fairly decent pc

Somebody, I don't remember where, has put it even nicer: the only time MS will do something that doesn't suck is when they'll start making vacuum cleaners. To be fair, I don't believe that. I believe if MS built vacuum cleaners they _would_ suck, but they'd stop working after 30 days if you didn't register them, they'd need a paid firmware upgrade every six months to keep sucking, and they'd suck less than what you could cobble up in your garage in a few weekends, at twice the power consumption and size. And they'd have a built in camera and microphone that would broadcast continuously on the Internet.

@@a0flj0 that would be a stretch, they are like all corps, all corps are as shitty, but I think you are saying that windows is like that vacuum cleaner. also another thing about corps, they don't compete to make a good product, they try to make the shittiest product possible, this is what they actually try to compete for, the shittier the product the more money they make, the faster it breaks the more people buy. just look at the hardware quality these days, older things sometimes out last the newer recent product you buy.

@@Godfather-qr6ej It's a bit more complicated. Corporations are in the business of making money. They will only invest in something new if it is likely to make them more money than what they'd get if they didn't invest. This gives rise to an interesting kind of competition. If ten athletes compete in a five miles run, each one individually gives his best intruding to out-compete the others. If ten corporations compete, each one tries to out-compete the other _with minimal investment_. What does this mean? Say Toyota has a set of battery technology improvements ready to provide higher energy density and faster charging times than Tesla - twice the capacity and half the charging time. Toyota will not suddenly start making new cars using all the improvements in that set. Why? Because Tesla might itself have some aces up its sleeve to top that, and then Toyota's investment required to produce batteries using those improvements, and if that was the case, Toyota's investment would be for nothing, just wasted money. Instead, Toyota, after carefully considering market conditions, will implement a tiny fraction of those technological advancements, making its batteries maybe just 2% or 5% better than those of Tesla, and wait to see Tesla's reaction, before releasing more innovation into production. Tesla will react similarly. And so will all other car makers. Nobody will release all it has at once, for fear that it would have no card to play when a competitor comes out with yet a tiny incremental improvement. This phenomenon causes technological advancement to happen at a far slower pace than technology alone would allow. It's not always as easy and straight. Large corporations which become dominant in their sector use their weight to crush competition. Like Amazon killing all bookstore chains. Or Intel, a few decades back, pushing continuously changing hardware standards to bar competitors from entering the field. Or, like Microsoft in the past, bribing or threatening and blackmailing sellers to shut out competition - specifically, threatening to not sell Windows licences to shops selling computers with Linux pre-installed, while supporting regulations that every new PC must be sold with a pre-installed OS. So, you see, corporations are not stupid. And they're not evil per se. It's just that, unlike what extreme free market supporters would want you to believe, that's the kind of behavior that a free, minimally regulated market pushes corporations into. A corporation acting any way different would quickly loose out to the competition and disappear. Which is why we only see this kind of corporate behavior.

I don't agree. I just created a dualboot setup with win10 and Pop!_OS and I must say Windows just seems smoother, faster, and less buggy.

I love my Wobbly Windows on KDE Plasma.

@@andrzejsupermocny2386 Are you going in biased? Sure, Linux's desktop environments have their fair share of bugs, but if you go in looking for bugs, you'll find just that. Software will always be prone to bugs.

@@andrzejsupermocny2386 My instincts tell me that you are going into Linux making the same mistake I made a decade ago and trying to literally make a carbon copy of Windows. If you're trying to recreate Windows, then of course you'll be disappointed, because it wont be Windows. If you are going into Linux with an open mind and trying out all the features like custom desktop UI's (for example on PopOS with Gnome UI extensions, you can install a custom taskbar called Dash to Panel), you'll find that once you get your head around the basics, it is a ton better than Windows in many respects. I would recommend installing a few different Linux versions with 40GB partitions initially to find which one you like best. I'd suggest trying Fedora 34 and Ubuntu 21.04 as well.

@@SmilerOnline I was forced to make the switch to Linux because there was an extremely good hacker who would not leave me alone. I’m talking ZeroDay level kinda exploits. This threat actor was super malicious and would use my Windows device to attack other people and would make my life hell if I didn’t comply. This went on for 7 months straight everyday. ALL that stopped immediately when I got a friend to download an ISO of Ubuntu and I converted my laptop to Linux. Getting my life back instantly was so amazing I set out to learn everything I could about Linux. It took about 6 months to get super good at that I could fix any problem. It wasn’t easy. Yet having a system that was free, more secure, and gave me back my life was worth every moment studying. Windows users have no idea what they are missing.

Almost all the world’s servers run on Linux. Its a big market and is different from the desktop. You could put a GUI workstation on CBL Mariner if you want to, but why? That’s not Microsoft’s vision for the server world.

they been using linux to run windows update since windows 7...where you been eric ??

azure runs on Linux, and Windows 10 has WSL, what you mean? lol

You're telling me there could have been a winner of the Unix Wars and that would've been Microsoft? /s

Too bad that Bethesda was bought by M$. Otherwise their games would come to Linux.

Got a source for that?

Omg ❤️! Will the FSR work on all old games as long the newer proton works with them?😳

​@@EddoWagt GloriousEggRoll is on youtube. This is what he said word for wor d '' GloriousEggroll GloriousEggroll 1 day ago The patches will be added to my next proton build, once that's released I'll do a small video on it''

@@Anon1370 Wow that's exciting, didn't know that that would be possible

@@stifflery Yep he's already had it working on Forza Horizon ukposts.info/have/v-deo/r3t6q2iPaWOTpZs.html He's replaced an existing scaling hack in Proton for scaling lower resolutions to full screen with the now open source FSR code.

Satya Nadella doesn't seem to share that opinion. After all, he's a cloud-focused guy so he definitely knows what he's talking.

Except android app support will fail because APK's are dead very soon and windows doesn't support .AAB files :)

It doesn't have the latest NSA backdoor, only the old one that they're tired of.

@@4.0.4 Probably something along those lines.

It is still possible to install win11 on a unsupported hardware

I installed windows 11 today on an i5 3rd Generation HP laptop

As a Linux user I love that forced obsolescence. I am already saving some money to buy some overpowered 4 year old hardware for cheap. The newest laptop that I've got is from 2012 and that is already more than I need in performance (but nice to have), can't harm to go for something that has more than 1.5 hours of battery capacity though

To be fair, that's probably the idea behind not distributing it as an ISO. You check the boxes for your project's needs and Linux is built to those specs, which cuts out unnecessary features, saves memory, and reduces attack surfaces.

linux is only ideal for server operation OS...while windows is more ideal as workstation OS that is design for more modern and more modular platform that doesn't require big mainframe in background is not user friendly hardware...

@@user78405 lol..you call the window "modular"🤦 you don't know no shit 🤦🤦

@@user78405 windows is about as modular as a lightbulb, all you are able to do is put it in a nice area, turn it on or maybe even put a filter over it for that tiny bit of customization you are allowed. you can mod it a bit but it would either break or be a pile of dogshit.

Correct. It's actually out now for Windows 10 insiders build. See devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/the-initial-preview-of-gui-app-support-is-now-available-for-the-windows-subsystem-for-linux-2/

Wsl2 does not support many things, especially direct usb stuff. Was available for a long time in w10 btw...

for sure not

Thinking the same just use edge for Linux and bang your done Microsoft 365, office, etc. We'll done Microsoft if you can buy then build and Bury the competition .

Nope. This is likely going to go after the Enterprise market.

@@shadow7037932 I agree I just checked (nemourus vids on installing MS sql on Linux ubuntu builds) and it can run ms sql I believe this is the bases of this build so it can run MS applications on container and base OS of Linux if needed. Choice windows server core or Linux depending on the requirements of the client. MS abandoned windows container for MS sql so it makes sense that after that decision they keeping it on a MS Linux box they can control and containerise and secure.

@@AvengeTheTECH Also you will be able to run Windows 365 when it becomes a consumer product.

Yes

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Yup. Linux already works on ARM. So less work for Microsoft in this regard. Why spend millions and create a new Windows kernel when you can just use Linux as the base.

@@shadow7037932 i think Windows on ARM is a thing, no?

@@andrzejsupermocny2386 unless some sort of miracle happened since last year windows kernel straight up sucks and bloated with decades of code so it's practically "impossible" for them to maintain it at least for the "regular users". And you know it's microsoft you can always trust them to fuck up a perfectly working system.

@@andrzejsupermocny2386 not only that the NT Kernel (based on VMS?) has already been around the processor architecture block a few times with ARM, PowerPC, MIPS, Alpha, etc.

That's the worst name they could've picked

@@____-gy5mq You call that the worst name? Look at your own UKposts name lol. /s

Basically Microsoft wants to wipe out Linux's financial base.....server stuff is what enables most distros to survive.

My theory is Microsoft has plans in the works for migrating to the Linux kernel but maybe for not some time as they need to make some sort of thing like wine to translate Sys calls which are not even close to Linux sys calls.

The unix certification is literally useless. It has no use nowadays other than bragging rights.

I'm curious, what do you do with it?

@@WeBeGood06 rice it to a full blown bloated desktop

Also .net to .net core

@MatthewStout I think you mean "added WSL to Windows"?

this - though i welcome it as its far easier to manage my linux servers like this than relaying on several third party applications - i also like winget

Ah Amazon Linux, AKA Redhat Enterprise Linux

More like centos.

@@hikt1731 More like Redhat Enterprise Amazon

I can agree with that.

And how do you do that with an open source project. Asking for a friend.

@@GaryExplains Maybe they are extending the open source project with a closed source project and later paralysing their users?

You can't extend an open source project with closed source, that is the whole point. 🤦‍♂️

@@GaryExplains But it is already done.Eg vscode.

@@GaryExplains Yes you can. Example wsl

Or it could help confirm it, because maybe Microsoft quitely released a "legacy windows mode" called Windows 365, so if they did try rebasing core parts of windows off linux, they could tell people to use that to run apps that don't work properly.

I'm starting to see a pattern... Windows 11 needs to be more secure, Microsoft knows they screwed up and didn't take Security as seriously as they should have, and now there are 10s of millions of Windows 7 machines spreading viruses like a wildfire out there. They tried to fix the problem with Windows 10 by making updates mandatory but that isn't enough. So now the plan is to build a walled garden with Windows 11 by forcing computers to be much more secure in their own ecosystem. However many computers won't be able to make the jump and Microsoft knows this, they also don't want these computers to be rotting and spreading virus that will infect their Windows 11 ecosystem, so I think they're planning to boot these users off on to Linux in the future as a sort of totally intentional exodus that Microsoft has been planing for awhile now. Would not be surprised if in 4 years we see Windows 10 helping users upgrade to Ubuntu.

@@JohnnyThund3r good story writing.

@@JohnnyThund3r Now imagine a world full of single-bit users of this future would-be Windows-on-Linux-kernel operating system, not doing a single update and upgrade for years. Just as they did on Windows 7 and earlier Windows versions. Oh, wait! There already are such users, on mostly Ubuntu-based distros, who just simply were not taught on the command sudo apt-get update&&upgrade. So yes, the pattern is there, but it has nothing to do with the operating systems. It is called user negligence.

@@Kedvespatikus most "pleb" users I know who use Ubuntu with a GUI don't even use the software updater application..... They rely on things happening automatically but loathe that Windows is "too automatic"... I just cron a daily "apt update && apt upgrade -y" for them... LOL

There isn't much to talk about in this topic, it's still connected through pcie like X86 processors

Don't work that way, as an ARM CPU is a System-on-a-Chip, with its build-in graphics processing core already.

No, Arm CPUs don't need to be in an SoC. Look at Amazon's graviton for example.

@@maynnemillares not every ARM chip is an SoC

​@@maynnemillares Arm is a set of structure like x86 or a risc 5 its upto you to implement the structure to CPU or an SOC. But obviously you cant combine a cpu runs on arm and GPU with x86 unless there is a runtime or a translator involved(theoretically). Since Samsung(arm) and AMD RDNA2 is going to be launched very soon, its possible for NVDIA to comply ARM architecture-NVIDIA Jetson Xavier for example.

I think Microsoft has come a long way in embracing open source. Just look at VS Code, buying GitHub and not to ignore hiring Guido Van R.

SONiC runs on switches.

@@GaryExplains So CBL-Mariner is more general purpose? As it is provided as source I assume one could spin it up on real hardware, add in X, etc. and make it a sort of desktop distro?

You can build a .ISO file and then install that on real hardware. At the moment MS doesn't offer any repo's with any GUI stuff. However I am sure some clever people will start to build those packages from source and make them available.

@@GaryExplains Thanks Gary. Awesome content as always. You're a treasure to the internet my friend. Have a great day!

SONiC was Embrace... Mariner is Extend...

It would be really good if they decided to invest on Wine, but that's probably not going tk happen as software compatibility is (AFAIK) the main reason for people that like Linux not migrating

@@srpenguinbr well, I was joking, I don't imagine MS contributing to Wine!

Yes. I can see this showing up as a distribution in the store, so it will run in WSLg. That would allow it to run apps on the desktop. Things to think about, for sure.

Since when does Microsoft support linux GUI on WSL? Just because you can get it running with someone else open source software, does not mean they support it. If they supported it, it would come with it.

@@WeBeGood06 you can get kali linux gui in wsl, but i can't say about other distros

@@WeBeGood06 It being supported but it is beta now. It should release along side win11

@@WeBeGood06 I have been running it on the development versions of Windows 11 and it works very well.

Glad you enjoyed it

Yup. There’s no need to replace the NT kernel for Windows which is rock solid. In my lifetime Ive never had a problem running Windows.

You can smell it.

I thought that by its very nature you can't embrace, extend and extinguish an open source project.

@@GaryExplains Nvidia is trying that right now with ARM

Trying what with Arm? Arm's designs aren't open source.

@@GaryExplains it's my personal opinion that if the ARM aquisition goes through, Nvidia will run them into the ground. Nvidia has a history of extreme greed and crushing any competition simply because they have the funds.

Ah, so this is probably why Red Hat is nerfing CentOS

Because?

@@GaryExplains It reads linux file systems like ext2, ext3, ext4, riesfs, .... things that a kernel is supposed to do. If someone develops new technology and needs kernel support to make the magic happen, linux will implement it. Microsoft?????

Seems more likely it would be Linux kernel at the core and NT Kernel as services around it, kind of similar to Mac OS X and Darwin.

@@GaryExplains Because Microsoft will get a modern Kernel which they don't need to maintain themselves instead they'll contribute code just like other Tech Giants. They did the same thing with Blink in their Edge browser. Linux Kernel adopts most modern technologies more quickly than Microsoft.

But that is the whole point, it will need to maintain it. Those tech giants you mention all maintain their own versions of the kernel and spend lots of money on that maintenance and engineering. You make it sound like Linux is run for free by the good will of a few hackers. Just look at Android or Fire OS. They all have engineering teams even for the kernel parts.

A Linux person filtered by the CLI. Will wonders never cease...

Come on, you should be thankful that Microsoft are at least being friendly towards Linux, unlike how they used to be enemies years ago.

@@blupandax7902 Friendly? They obviously have some evil plan in their mind.

Linux is now a revenue stream for MS. It doesn't have an evil plan beyond just making money. To do that its Linux dealings need to be good, not evil.

@@GaryExplains All they need to do is capture and influence people. One by One. Why is Microsoft even building wsl?

I feel like they'll manage to make that linux distribution dependent on the microsoft ecosystem and force more attention towards it

How can MS destroy it?

operating system system

@@GaryExplains "embrace, extend and extinguish" strategy

@@joaomarcelobadu Ballmer isn't CEO anymore lol. They don't care about having an edge with Windows. They make way more money with Azure, their enterprise stuff & office and they know big companies ain't gonna use Windows Server for anything but AD maybe.

​@@GaryExplains By creating their own version of it?

But I thought the whole point of open source was that a) anyone can benefit from the freedoms as long as they respect the license. b) that by its nature you can't embrace, extend and extinguish an open source project.

@@GaryExplains with enough money you can

How?